New Civilization News: Why Americans are BETTER    
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27 Mar 2003 @ 19:37, by Matthew Webb

Let’s Figure Out

Why Americans are BETTER
Than Anyone Else

American media, the very mouthpiece of God for the average television viewer, is something most people believe in without question. Basically, Americans believe that if something appears on TV then it MUST be true, ESPECIALLY if the person speaking is an “authority” or “expert” on what is going on in the world. If television news is, as they say, “the gospel” then commercials must be likened to the hymns of praise, sung after the sermon is over. Most people obviously think that if you want to know TRUTH about anything under the sun, then all you have to do is turn on your television set, and “surf” channels until you find it. Thus we now have the term “reality TV” which shows the thoughts and emotions of “real people” going about their “real lives”.

People live their entire existence by virtue of what they see on TV. How they dress, what they say, what they buy, their values, what they teach their kids to believe and their opinions on almost any subject, are determined largely, if not entirely, by what is said on The Tube. This article is dedicated particularly to the majority of Americans, (75% supposedly think the war in Iraq is just) whose lives are guided by the content of cable channels and studio broadcasts.

According to American television, the first thing you have to understand about “our people” is that they are BETTER than anyone else in the world. If you can “grok” this basic premise, then you can understand our foreign policies. Those new to this country may not know this, having not yet been graced by our television programming. But they say it is true, just ask most Americans.

So let’s try to clearly understand this underlying message of American television. Let’s start by asking, “WHY are Americans so superior?” If we could just clearly and fully understand WHY Americans are better, wouldn’t that help the rest of the world live up to our high standards? That’s logical isn’t it? I mean, being the good, moral, humanitarian people that we are, shouldn’t we try to do all we can to explain to the world how they can be just like us, (U.S.)?

An analysis of our media message

Let’s start by analyzing the above question in the context of recent events. How about the war with Iraq! Now here’s a perfect example of American superiority at work. Just as in Afghanistan, our “troops” are back at it again in Iraq, making good where there was once evil, and creating right out of what was once wrong, in yet another backward country. We’re in Iraq we’re told, because Saddam Hussein is a “bad guy”, a dictator, a rapist, a no-good mass murderer, without a shred of decency or morals. As Americans on the other hand, we are the modern day Crusaders of Righteousness, whose moral cause is fought for the sake of all decent, peace loving and democratic people everywhere. President Bush says we’re there to establish Democracy, so that Iraqis can enjoy real freedom, peace and prosperity. We’re there to make a “regime change” so that this really, really bad guy can be replaced with someone who more closely reflects our superior moral compass of right and wrong.

Taken at face value, one must further conclude from what we see on television that;

Americans are SO SUPERIOR over all other peoples and nations in the world, in fact, that they have the moral right, nay, the moral DUTY, to determine how the world should function on a daily basis. The “other” people of the world just don’t have the mental or spiritual capacity to do this for themselves. This is why they need our guidance. The United Nations obviously didn’t and doesn’t understand this. That “irrelevant debating society” had the audacity to want to further discuss the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and to further the inspections. This appropriately angered our Divine Leader George Bush, when all the while it was so clear to the American government that those Iraqis should die for the sake of democracy. How dare the people and governments of other nations question our judgment! Indeed, how dare France oppose our interests like that…don’t they know we’re so much BETTER than they are, that it would be an honor for any Frenchman to simply be in an American‘s presence without bowing? What silly fools these, “cheese eating, surrender monkeys” are, and how arrogant! They should know by now that we are the superior race, and although questions and occasional debate are permitted, what is NOT ALLOWED is actual opposition to our national policies or interests. For this France is clearly NOT with God, and will suffer our wrath at some time in the future. But then we can’t expect the backward, unenlightened nations of the world to have the clear perception of God’s Will like we do, now can we? Even Britain, which is composed of the second best people in the world, (second best because they’re so similar to us) is second rate, as demonstrated by the opposition to our decrees for war in their government. Then you have the third best people in the world, the Australians, (because they resemble us somewhat) who have also sent troops, (though a pitiful band they are, compared to our boys and their guns, Ay?) and are therefore somewhat deserving of our praise, as a minor province of the American World Empire. As they say, it’s hard to get good help these days, and if you want it done right, (straightening the world out) then you have to do it yourself!

Ok, so how are we doing so far….is this a pretty accurate representation of what our Mouthpiece of God American media is telling Americans? Isn’t this what most Americans who support “the war against terror” believe? Great, then lets get it even more clear, so that the backwards people of all other nations can finally get their act together, by learning what it is to be American. Perhaps then they can emulate us, much like monkeys at a zoo can ape Human behavior, and occasionally GET IT approximately RIGHT.

Back to Iraq…we’re there to eliminate “weapons of mass destruction” or at least they’re potential use by that really, really bad guy Saddam, years down the road. The longer we would have waited to invade and occupy their country, the more danger there would have been posed by Evil Saddam and His Weapons, to the Civilized Nations of the World. The same is of course true of North Korea, Syria, Iran and a long list of others, and they will ALL be dealt with in good time. What is a good Christian nation to do after all, but overthrow such heathen trash as this, before they cause some real problems in the world? [I mean, we’ve made a lot of improvements in the Gospel since Jesus, so why take His word for anything?] Ok, the weapons inspectors didn’t find any weapons of mass destruction, (WMD’s) but that doesn’t mean that untrustworthy devil over there wasn’t hiding any. In fact, the fact that we didn’t find any WMD’s only proves that they are there, just as our Divinely inspired Leader George Bush clearly stated. If George said so, then it MUST be true, because he’s never wrong. Not only are Americans rarely wrong, but that American Presidents CAN NEVER be in error. American Presidents are always honest, truth loving, God fearing, perfect Beings of such wisdom, that it would be folly for any mere mortal, (even another American) to ever question anything they say or do. So if George Bush says there’s WMD’s in Iraq, then by God there are WMD’s in Iraq, even if we never do find any.

Because Americans are so nearly perfect in every way, and because they are so much more morally, politically and socially evolved than regular human beings, it is up to us to make the laws for the entire planet. In other words, because we’re FAR BETTER than anyone else, it is our right to decree whatever Divinely inspired law we may wish for the peoples of the world on any given day. Such laws don’t apply to us of course, because we’re the superior race. So when it comes to international agreements such as the Kyoto Protocol or the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, or any other mere worldly agreement made by inferior beings, (non-Americans), these can be ignored by us at any time we see fit. The same is of course true of WMD’s. We’ve decreed that Iraq can’t have any of these, because they’re morally, socially and politically inferior to America. Israel on the other hand, is allowed to have as many of these weapons as they want, and so are those second best Brits, and third best Aussies. But backwards, heathen-god worshipping countries like Iraq, Iran, North Korea or Syria CAN’T have such weapons because they just don’t measure up to our superior moral standards. So it’s not that America is actually against weapons of mass destruction themselves, since we have more of them than all of the other countries in the world combined. It’s just that CERTAIN PEOPLE can’t have them, and we’ll let you know day by day who those people are. [George Bushs’ Oracle, John Ashcroft the All Seeing and Infallible, will let us know who the terrorists are] We have thousands of nuclear warheads and every type of chemical and biological weapon known to man, (and we aren’t afraid to use them either, says Don Rumsfeld, no sir--eee). Some call this hypocrisy, but they just don’t understand how morally perfect and above even our own laws, we really are. Only the most morally, socially and politically evolved people should possess and use such weapons. [See the chart below, which explains how much more American lives are worth than those of inferior cultures] Unlike the uncivilized countries of the rest of the world, America doesn’t murder when is kills …it LIBERATES.

Furthermore, only the most morally, socially and politically evolved people of the world, (Americans and those they designate) have the authority to USE WMD’s on other people in the world, in whatever way or time they so choose. This is what is now known as “Pre-emption” or “making a pre-emptive strike” against those who are “less” than us. If it is our choice to kill hundreds of thousands or even millions of inferior people, at any time and in any place in the world we so choose, then that is our God-given right as freedom-loving Americans to do exactly that. A case in point is the uranium depleted munitions we’re using now against Iraq, and which we used previously in the last Gulf War. [And let us bow our heads in reverence when we speak of past American Wars, to honor the Holy Sacrifice our men and women in uniform made for the sake of our nobility and Democracy worldwide] The radiation from these munitions lasts many generations, and effectively destroys the environment of those who have been bombed by us. But that doesn’t matter since only American lives count. Only Americans really feel pain. The rest of humanity, like the dumb animals that they are, don’t count and don’t feel pain like we do. Besides, if we let too many of them live, they and their children would be using up more of the world’s resources and leaving less for us to use. That simply wont do. Don’t these simpletons know that the world’s resources are there only for Americans, the superior race? I mean my God, what ignorance and presumption comes from these little beings!

The Relative Worth of Lives

American lives are worth far more in the eyes of God than are anyone else‘s, as the following comparison demonstrates;

1 American life is worth at least;

2 heads of state
3 Brits
8 Australians
9 Japanese
10 Spaniards
12 Canadians
15 Turks
25 Domestic anti-war protestors
35 Mexicans
100 Nicaraguans
450 Chinese
1000 Muslims
1400 Syrians
3000 Foreign anti-war protestors
8500 Iranians
800,000 Iraqis
2 Million North Koreans

Note; These relative values are subject to change at a moment’s notice, depending upon how foreign heads of state succeed or fail in their mission to serve us.

More conclusions drawn from the American media;

When we speak of spreading democracy for other lands, we don’t really mean that we’re making those countries politically equal to us. How could they ever be equal to us after all?.. (silly question) When the American media speaks of democracy, they are referring to the freedoms American enjoy to live as they see fit. For us then, democracy means that we have the freedom to bomb whoever we wish, whenever we wish. It means that we can indulge our consumer lifestyle at the expense of the entire world, and rightfully punish anyone who does not IMMEDIATELY give us whatever we may want. Democracy for us means that we can occupy foreign lands and take their resources, if that happens to suit our “national interests”. For other countries and people of the world, “democracy” also means freedom, but not in quite the same way. For them it means having the freedom to happily accept whoever we choose to lead their government and make their policies. It means they have the freedom to buy American name brand products, (who could ask for more?). Those countries whose peoples are foolishly sitting on top of resources like oil that we want for ourselves, have the freedom to either step aside or be killed. They also have the freedom to keep their mouths shut as we bury their dead in mass graves in the desert. They have the freedom to live with the lingering radiation and environmental destruction of our bombs raining down by the hundreds every day, and smile as the “liberators” drive by. That’s right. Just like in Afghanistan, we’re their liberators, rescuing them from the tyranny of cruel leaders with the wholesome explosives of American artillery, and the mind expanding propaganda of American leaflets and radio broadcasts, explaining that all the hundreds of thousands of preventable children’s deaths over the last decade of UN/US sanctions, has just been the fault of Saddam after all. See how good and righteous we are? As if it weren’t enough trouble already, to liberate these animals from their own mis-used oil, we’re going to be good guys and give them humanitarian aid, (canned corned beef and band-aids) too! God Bless America! Proud to be an American! Support our Troops! Seig Hiel!

So have we figured it out yet, as to what it is that makes America so Great?

Hint; Make billions through fraudulent corporations like Enron by any means necessary, so as to bribe foreign officials. Build the world’s biggest army, and employ propaganda as a world-class art form. Re-define truth as what you say, and not what you do. Then you’ll begin to understand.

Matthew Webb visionquest@eoni.com

The World Mind Society [link]

Suggested reading from the WMS Library;
“Who Do We Think We Are?”
“Confessions of an American Ex-Patriot”

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29 comments

28 Mar 2003 @ 11:11 by shawa : Bitter potion.
Very bitter. But good for the liver. Of Americans, of course. (Methinks).  

28 Mar 2003 @ 12:23 by sharie : Billions... Trillions... who's counting?
To conceptualize "billions of dollars" ... or "trillions of dollars" ... is overwhelming for the average perfect american. We wisely leave that to our Divinely-Inspired Leader and his All-Seeing, All-Knowing Infallible Oracle. We trust that their first objective is to serve the perfect americans, because our morally, spiritually, and politically superiority is obvious to any intelligent person. Our way of life is the way of God, the way of Truth, and the way of righteousness.

While trillions of dollars have vanished from our federal budgets over the past 12 years - from the Pentagon budget over $2 trillion, from the HUD budget, from the IRS, and so on - the staggering billions used for bribes is dwarfed by the TRILLIONS of dollars in public funds funnelled into personal bank accounts.

"federal financial books appear to be as 'cooked' as Enron's. . US citizens pay federal taxes of $5,324 every year for every man, woman and child.[2] Of that amount, $4,835, or approximately 85% is spent by eleven agencies that cannot produce reliable financial systems or audits.":
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http://www.etherzone.com/2001/dowb050301.shtml

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A case for sedition can be made against the Bush Cabal, including George Herbert Walker Bush, James Baker, Cappy Weinberger, and the late Bill Casey et al. They perpetrated a series of frauds against the public purse under the thinly disguised veil of political policies, to wit, the tremendous increase in military and defense expenditures, in order to try to defeat the "Evil Empire" of the Soviet Union, which in itself was a ruse.

This enormous multi-trillion dollar increase in defense spending was used by the Bush Cabal to suck money out of the public purse by the commission of a variety of schemes and to bleed money out of defense appropriations by incessant payments from defense contractors to a shadowy network of Republican-controlled arms companies, security research consultant companies, and offshore research institutes.

This can be ascertained when you look at the big Research and Development (R & D) expenditures that were done on the so-called Star Wars missile defense program. You can see the endless list of "security consultants" that were put on as subcontractors, most of whom had absolutely nothing to do with the development of the weapons.

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There is a common misperception that just as much money was stolen during the Clinton Regime as during the Bush Regime, but I would say that this contention is not true. Of course, the Department of Defense admits that $2.3 trillion disappeared, but that wasn't even in the same range as the amount of money that disappeared during the Bush Cabal's reign. Also it was not a State-sponsored systematic operation of fraud because they didn't have the Republicans' organizational capability. Besides the Clinton Administration (unlike the Bush Regime) did not specifically form operations to commit fraud.

You can simply look at all the people who were involved in all the large frauds of the 1980s (including members of the Vice President's and subsequent President's own family) as well as the number of assistant cabinet Secretaries, who were directly involved in the fraud by being members of limited partnerships and so on. They didn't even try to hide it.

It's not that $2.3 trillion is a small amount of money, but what made the Clinton Administration different is that there was not the State sponsorship of organized fraud, which had existed before. This would include a lot of the fraud committed against HUD, in which senior HUD officials were on the board of directors or involved in general partnerships of offshore secret limited partnerships and bogus real estate deals that were committing scams against their own agency. There was no real effort to hide it because it was State-acquiesced. And there was such control of the media (as there always is during a Republican regime), that there was little fear of it ever being exposed.

Manipulators with inside information made huge profits on sophisticated trades as the stocks of the airline and insurance companies plummeted in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 disaster. The inside information was so precise that experts have concluded that it could have only come from those who masterminded the terror attacks.

This money trail is the closest investigators have come to “a smoking gun” and could lead directly to those who planned the attacks. But with the notable exception of Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D.-Ga.), Congress has yet to demand a thorough and open investigation.

In the days following the terror attacks, suspicious and unusual stock trading activity indicated that people used inside information to make huge profits. The money made from the trades done with apparent inside information has been estimated at up to $15 billion worldwide.

The Institute for Counter Terrorism (ICT), located in Herzliya, Israel, published an article, “Black Tuesday: World’s Largest Insider Trading Scam?” on Sept. 19, 2001. [link]

TRILLIONS of dollars have been embezzled from the perfect american people by the terrorists in designer suits.

When we wake up to what *corporate america* is doing to its own people, to the people of the world, and to our Mother Earth, we will begin to make new choices about who we give our money to. Right?  

28 Mar 2003 @ 12:51 by rishi : Quite true..
at least to the logical and honest mind. Stop paying taxes for starters! I'm disappointed that of all the e-mails I've received in the last two months regarding opposition to war and the ongoing Bush Scandal, NOT ONE has ever suggested that a mass "pay no tax" effort, (until the corruption stops and there's something worth paying for) has ever crossed my desk.  

28 Mar 2003 @ 13:21 by rishi : Dear Everyone
Dear Everyone,

I sent the following invitation to Vibes as a comment in her news log. I did this becasue she obviously knows so much about this subject matter, that it seemed only fitting to have her expert opinion grace this conversation;


"Hey Vibes, I think we've finally got it figured out. With everything you've previously said about the war with Iraq and the Israel-Palestine situation, the bottom line about WHY Americans are so much better than anybody else in the world has come out! It occurred to me that you'd be very pleased to hear this, so I thought I'd send word.

I invite you to read the latest post, "Americans are BETTER" in my news log. Being an expert on this subject such as you are, I enthusiastically await your respose to this article's content."

Regards,
Rishi  

30 Mar 2003 @ 15:55 by Vibrani @24.48.217.110 : Rishi
You are truly weird, Rishi. You have to send out a notice to everyone about a comment you placed in my log? Oh, I get it - it's a BIG news event, always started through your incorrect assessments and sarcasm, eh? I never said that America was better than anyone else. You read whatever you want to into things rather than see what people actually write. I did say, in some conversations, that life in America is better than it is in many other countries. I also never said I was an expert on this subject - just how DO you come up with this crap, Rishi, and try to pass it off as fact?  

30 Mar 2003 @ 17:41 by spells : Who are the Terrorists?
It is amazing to me how people accuse others of name calling when they, themselves are the most guilty of doing this. Then they block people off their log because they tell the truth.

I would be very interested in hearing what is incorrect in the article. Tell me how it is false. Who are WE to go around the world being it's police when the leaders and people of this country care nothing for the earth or it's people? If they did they would take a serious look at their lifestyles and see the wastefulness and greed. The statement declaring "that life in America is better than it is in many other countries" says nothing about how this lifestyle is depleting the earth's resources.

Yes, we may have some liberties that other countries do not, but these are rapidly being taken away by the Patriot Acts 1 and 2. The talk on the news media is only the war, therefore we are not at all informed about the bills being passed through congress that will take money/benefits away from veterins (Bushitlers way of supporting the troops), social programs, medicare, education programs, and diverts money from homeland security to give millionaires tax breaks. If you want to talk about all this fine, but you have said nothing that is backed up with facts. The items listed here are FACTS.

This is NOT the US of old, it is not based on the constitution anymore. To blindly follow corruption through ignorance is no excuse. Until the values of this nation are totally changed to truly follow the laws of nature and the universe, put the evolution of the soul as first priority, (yes even over materialism/consumerism), then we remain the terrorists.  

1 Apr 2003 @ 17:34 by Vibrani @24.48.217.110 : answer
Everyone's got their own idea of reality.  

1 Apr 2003 @ 18:02 by spells : Truth
Idea of reality or not, there is such a thing as Truth. Denying this and saying there is "your truth" and "my truth" is one of the most destructive beliefs there are. This is only a dishonest way of avoiding what is true for sake of ego and personal prefence. There are Universal and Natural Laws that exist within the entire universe. To deny such things will be the death and destruction of this species and this planet. The truth is that we are depleting the planet's natural resources with our wasteful and selfish lifestyles, which is not based on the evolution of the soul, but on a lifestyle that is extravagant to the point of being absurd. The truth is that no matter what the reasons for this war, there is corruption that is running rampant through our own government.

Like it or not, there is the Law of Karma (cause and effect), and evolutionary principles, but this species choses to head in one direction.....self destruction. The natural laws bend for no one, not even precious humans.  

1 Apr 2003 @ 20:27 by rishi : Implication
Vibes,

I'm sure you clearly understand the meaning of the words "implication" and "implied", so I wont bother explaining them.

The fact is, neither you, nor other supporters of this "war" on Iraq, or the general media, needs to actually say they think Americans are better and superior to everyone else. It is clearly implied. It's implied in your log when you go on about how we're quite justified to wage war on Iraq. It's implied in the news when the entire rest of the world is scoffed at simply because they don't immediately fall in line with whatever the U.S. wants to do. It's implied by our so-called president when he says we're "fighting evil" and removing "dictators" when in fact the darkest evil and dictator is much closer to Washington than it is Baghdad. It's implied by everyone who thinks it's right to dump weapons of mass destruction on peoples' heads by the thousands for weeks at a time, just so that we can supposedly stop such weapons.

U.S. foreign policy is filled to the brim by measures and attitudes that speak of only one central assumption....that America is superior and Americans are the superior race, to which the entire world ought to bow and scrape in humility.

Since you've made posts to the effect of the rightness of this war, I thought I might point out that what you imply is just as important as what you say. The same is true of the television, every hour of every day.  

1 Apr 2003 @ 20:56 by vibrani : Yes?
Rishi, you want me to tell you what's right and wrong? You want comparisons? Alright, I'll compare myself to you. I have reached layers of truth that you haven't even begun to touch, Rishi, because had you reached them your conversations would be on entirely different level, AND you'd have a much richer (and not surface layer) understanding of what I'm made of and where I'm "coming from." Your attitudes about karma show that, as well. You don't at all believe that people create their reality or are capable of creating change, that we are bound to this "law" as you call it that is out of our control - it's clear in each one of your posts. So why do you bother at all if we're all doomed? Don't you see your double messages?

Here's a fun one for you: Don't you see your "We're right and you're wrong" attitude all over the place? That's called war, Rishi - We Are Right. How does that feel to you? (I am not being sarcastic in asking you this - I'm quite serious.)  

2 Apr 2003 @ 13:01 by rishi : Serious?
Regarding who's right and who's wrong, that is a matter of specific facts and simple logic. Those who support this war are not capable, it seems, to bring in specific and compelling evidence as to why it's justified. In fact, the so-called "evidence" presented thus far has been full of fabrications, exaggerations, illogic and downright fascist superiority.

Regarding karma, this is not a natural law that implies anything is "hopeless". It is the law of cause and effect. It simply means that the effects we generate are from the causes of our lifestyle and intention. The effects now being generated worldwide, primarily by American corporations, government policies and advocated lifestyle, (consumerism) are those of worldwide destruction and unnecessary war.

Those are facts. No double message there.  

2 Apr 2003 @ 13:10 by vibrani : No, those are your interpretations
of facts. They are not, in fact, FACTS or simple logic at all, but assumptions, biases, judgments, generalizations about people who support the war. As for cause and effect, I see a positive overall outcome. Why do you see only the negative - suffering, punishment, condemnation? There is more than what meets the eye, Rishi. Can you see what's going on from your higher self's perspective, which is NON-judgmental and clear?  

2 Apr 2003 @ 13:30 by spells : Clarification
Please Vibrani, even though you chose to ignore me, list what exactly are the biases and judgements, and generalizations that you speak of coming from Rishi. What do you define as "your interprestations" and not fact from Rishi's posts? Of course you don't have to answer, you have already made an easy way out by ignoring questions asked by me (well really questions in general, for nothing is addressed directly only come backs with statements that add up to nothing).

The Higher Self does NOT see things as negative or positive it only sees the truth. Therefore please also share with us your "positive outcome" because if you see such a "positive" outcome, how is this coming from your Higher Self? If it is non judgemental then it is an outcome, neither positive nor negative. So please clarify, if you can.  

2 Apr 2003 @ 14:14 by vibrani : Spells
These statements are opinions, not facts: "Those who support this war are not capable, it seems, to bring in specific and compelling evidence as to why it's justified. In fact, the so-called "evidence" presented thus far has been full of fabrications, exaggerations, illogic and downright fascist superiority."

The higher self does not see negative or positive - only truth. That is what I was asking Rishi - if he could see with his higher self's perspective.

My positive outcome - I will explain it further but now I'm late for a dental appointment - yuck. When I return I will post it.  

2 Apr 2003 @ 17:25 by vibrani : Response to Spells
The higher self can offer us many visions. When I see from my higher self's perspective I see a future (because we're talking about the future). Now, in zeroing in on a place and time, this can be MY most probable future (not necessarily yours), going in the direction of my energy at this moment, in my co-creation of life.

Being more overall in view, however, from the higher self's perspective (which is not something I MUST do through any special process anymore) I can understand how each group of people feel and think, see their views on an issue. I can sense where the collective consciousness is heading and the most likely outcome of that, (this includes how people break down the consciousness into the conscious, subconscious, unconscious, superconscious, etc.). We are still able to change the outcome, if a certain amount of people shift their intent/focus/energy, and so forth, bringing the rest along.

From my views, I see that complete peace will not be a reality for some time on Earth, but it is moving much more in this direction. What we are going through now is a reflection of our consciousness that desires more peace and safety and love and respect for life. I truly believe this. I see good coming from it in the long run. Yes, I consider that to be a positive outcome. That is how I interpret it. Those who don't want that kind of existence may not feel the same way right now. But, in the future what we are doing now will benefit more people. Again, this is my vision. You might have your own that is not the same. Neither is right or wrong. We will be where our consciousness wants to be, a place in which our soul most vibrates to. If your energy is more 5th dimensional and 5th density, that is the place to which you will be attracted to be. It's the same as why we are born in a country and why we choose to live in a particular place. We vibe to it and with it. If you were born in a very poor desert tribe in Saudi Arabia, for example, you would vibe very differently from someone born in California. Your consciousness is different, your experience is different, your life lessons are different. I wasn't born in an African tribe that practices female genital mutilation - why? Because that is NOT my consciousness. For others, however, it is something they wanted to experience or CHANGE, and being in the midst of that affords them this opportunity sometimes more than an outsider. It is about what the soul is here to experience and do. Okay? So, I'm talking with you as someone who I hope understands that we are not victims but co-creators, life is not random.

Granted, there are corrupt people in every country, in many professions. But if you focus only on that, (not ignoring it but focusing on it) you not only bring yourself down, but everyone else and keep increasing the energy of powerlessness, fear, and hopelessness. You are dwelling in the energy of these things, which does not help to shift it, and going around and around and going nowhere but perpetuating more of the same.

So, what is one to do? Follow one's heart and passions. Writing about a problem and suggesting solutions is one way to do that. We all here are doing that, right? We all have our views of what we think needs changing, and I hope gratitude for what we enjoy and what is good in our lives...let's not forget that part. Life is not only about what the other guy is doing and how evil that is. It's mostly about how we respond to that and what we do with that if we perceive evil. Will we be matching that which we consider evil with our words and actions - be no different than that evil, or will we be able to transform that through love, some different activity? Our inner work is vital. We will have different ideas of how to go about changing that evil, too.

There is a lot more to say on this but I must go right now, and if you want to talk about it some more please let me know. If not, I won't keep posting here on that topic.  

3 Apr 2003 @ 18:09 by spells : Response to Vibrani
Dear Vibrani,

I will answer your post with key elements from your post below:

You wrote;
From my views, I see that complete peace will not be a reality for some time on Earth, but it is moving much more in this direction. What we are going through now is a reflection of our consciousness that desires more peace and safety and love and respect for life. I truly believe this. I see good coming from it in the long run.

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How is it moving more in that direction with our own leader declaring that the war on terror will go on for a very long time? It is not "reflection of our consciousness that desires more peace and safety and love and respect for life." There is nothing in the events of present that come close to this. What peace and safety? by bombing country after country? respect for life? As we destroy forests, water supplies, contaminate the very food we eat and have absolutely no respect for another or nature? As long as the values of this world remain the same, then the direction can only keep going in this direction.

How do you know where your Higher Self gets it's information? Is it from the World Consciousness (or world mind) that wants to believe this? or is it truly from a higher/cosmic source? We are all connected (this principle is taken much too lightly)and I believe that a lot of "information" that comes through our consciousness is from the World Mind source. The more one is steeped in the karma of the world the more they are guided by it, aligned with it, and receive information from it. There are many levels of consciousness/souls and one has to be very careful where they are connected to. You also said "We will be where our consciousness wants to be, a place in which our soul most vibrates to" This is in resonance with what I just said.

I intuitively sense that "5th dimension" or whatever, does not have many higher attributes than this dimension. What about aligning with nature? That is a much higher vibration than the world mind is and is more pure. I am sure (from experience) that by aligning with this vibration, on earth, would show one more about the true workings of the consciousness of this planet.

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You wrote:
"Granted, there are corrupt people in every country, in many professions. But if you focus only on that, (not ignoring it but focusing on it) you not only bring yourself down, but everyone else and keep increasing the energy of powerlessness, fear, and hopelessness. You are dwelling in the energy of these things, which does not help to shift it, and going around and around and going nowhere but perpetuating more of the same"

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I am not down or negative, I am real. The truth has been ignored too long and it only gets worse, not better. The truth is not positive or negative it just is. Let me ask you this: If you are feeling wonderful, but you get a thorn stuck in you foot, do you just not focus on it, because your arms feel good? or your head feels ok? No you address it for what it is and take it out. IF people feel powerless or hopeless, I say that is their wrong focus. They have lost their true personal power. I never said I felt this way, you are assuming this, because the truth isn't sugar coated. It is addressing honestly the issues of the day, and gaining strength from the truth that we can make a difference. By not focusing on what is real is only folly.
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You wrote:
"Life is not only about what the other guy is doing and how evil that is. It's mostly about how we respond to that and what we do with that if we perceive evil. Will we be matching that which we consider evil with our words and actions - be no different than that evil, or will we be able to transform that through love, some different activity? Our inner work is vital. We will have different ideas of how to go about changing that evil, too."
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By allowing all that is going on in the world we are supporting what is evil. So shall we respond by letting it go on and on? Our inner work may be vital but so are our actions in everyday life. I don't see how calling a spade a spade is making me more a spade. It is looking at events and truthfully addressing them. Unfortunately, many look at honesty and truth as evil.

Actually I see a brighter future also, but it is after humans learn some very hard and valuable lessons. Defending (by defending I mean allowing it go on, having the same values as them, or believing that we all have our own perspectives therefore we do not need to take responsiblity) the leaders of this country, even though they are corrupt and dishonest, is not looking at the bright side, it is helping them. Until we totally turn around our values and stop accepting corruption and greed as the norm, then nothing will change. It doesn't matter what dimension you are coming from, karma is karma. (cause and effect) This is a natural law and like gravity exists everywhere in the universe.

As Rishi said in another post, on the news all you hear is:support the troops! How about support humanity! We are a competitive society that pays our leaders to make wpm. That is karma, like it or not. Until we say stop the madness, stop paying or supporting them, nothing will change, and we stay stuck in this karma. Thus world karma then becomes personal karma. Again, this is a natural law. I didn't make it up and it is not my "perspective" it is the truth. Let me ask you this? What has your "perspective" and way of addressing this changed anything for the better? I have heard all this before and from where I sit things haven't changed direction at all, if anything, it is worse. To be honest I used to believe as you do, but through hard work, meditation, right focus and reading from the World Mind Society Library, I have learned a lot. My soul now breathes a sigh of relief that I am not buying into the Mass Consciousness of this planet, but the higher evolutionary consciousness of the cosmos. We are fragments of God. We are here to evolve and expand. Until we take responsibility for what is going on here, then things will not get better. (well maybe if we wipe each other out or use up all the resources making life almost impossible) Wiping each other out may just be the answer. The small amount of people left may actually have learned a lesson and make true spiritual ministry a way of life, in the physical form through their actions. This is not my preference but until values change, neither will the direction of our fate as a species.  

3 Apr 2003 @ 18:49 by vibrani : Spells
Spells, I'm not going to spend my time justifying my views to you. If you want to know more about me and my views, so I don't repeat myself ad nausem, please go to my web site and read, get to know who I am and please stop assuming you know all about me when you have seen only a sliver, and this stuff about buying into the mass consciousness is just a phrase without merit in reference to your accusations about me. Cute and catchy phrase but it doesn't work.

As far as what you've written, it seems you and Rishi have it ALL figured out, and only you two know what's right and what's wrong, and what everyone should be doing and how they should be doing it. What you both fail to realize and acknowledge is that each soul is unique, and that you do not live with loving allowance for each person's choices in their own and your own time and place. So far, you have not shown you have compassion or loving allowance because according to you everyone is going about their lives all wrong. Who are you to determine that? Who are you to tell me about responsibilty? Lots of words without substance or anything to back them up, Spells. Yes, values are changing every day, person by person, according to free will, not dictation or by demand, or desiring to control everyone. You are responsible for yourself, first. Each soul is doing what they are here to do - whether or not you like it. That you don't understand this says you don't respect humanity.

If you're so panic-stricken about your karma, then do what you feel is right for YOURSELF every moment. Be in YOUR OWN TRUTH and you will not create karma for yourself. You cannot control anyone else, Spells and Rishi. You also haven't closely read what I wrote. If you feel there is evil then you have to do what YOU feel is right in removing it. I do that in my own way. Your idea of evil may not be the same as mine - and I'm not here to compare them and say my way or the highway - like you guys do. That's ridiculous.

In answer to a couple of your questions, yes, it is possible to have at least one moment when one can feel grateful for something each day, even if you are in pain. If you can't find at least one thing each day to feel good about and to feel grateful for, well, it's sad. That's a choice, too, ya know. If you've learned a lot - it sure doesn't show. [link]  

3 Apr 2003 @ 19:01 by spells : Replies..............
You avoided all that I wrote. and you misinterpreted it also. I am sorry, but I took time to honestly answer your post, and all you can do is assume that I am not grateful, and worried about my karma. You misread almost everything, because you are taking a defensive stance instead of truly discussing things. I also asked you how you could see things as you do given current facts and stituations? and how things are changing with the way you are doing things? Also if you are sure that your higher self is not getting informantion from the world consciousness. These are valid points and not an attack. This was not intended to be a personal attack, it was only a discussion of truth. Turning it around to sound like I am trying to control you or that I am only right, is a dishonest way of getting out of talking about key points. If I am so wrong then explain why. If you are only going to come up with defensive replies, then please don't take any more of my time.  

3 Apr 2003 @ 19:03 by vibrani : 5th density/5th dimension
Density is not the same as dimension. Dimension is one's location (in time and space) rather than your vibe/frequency. There are countless dimensions within a density or frequency.

A density is a vibrational frequency which has many levels within it.

Frequency is the term used for matter that vibrates with an energy...the rate at which molecules or consciousness vibrates.

5th density is the place where the one is all and the all is one, where wisdom comes in. Time is no longer linear. You are aware of your whole self. In the 5th density you are in communion with your oversoul or higher self and you remember who you are. 5th density is where nonphysical existence is experienced.  

3 Apr 2003 @ 19:03 by vibrani : That's bullshit, Spells
And you know it. I feel you're really afraid of some things...that's okay but you can't bullshit me because I see through you.  

3 Apr 2003 @ 19:09 by spells : now, now................
Well then please explain what is bs. and honestly answer the questions. Is that too much to ask?  

3 Apr 2003 @ 19:25 by vibrani : This might help
as your answers to yourself and Rishi, can you see your reflection?

[link]  

3 Apr 2003 @ 19:32 by spells : Interesting....................
I have to hand it to you, you have gone beyond the typical ways of avoiding answering questions honestly . That is all I asked you to do.  

3 Apr 2003 @ 19:49 by vibrani : Spoken
Like a true manipulator, Spells :-)  

3 Apr 2003 @ 19:54 by spells : Spoken.....
Oh? well where did I miss the answers to the questions? I don't recall reading them here.  

3 Apr 2003 @ 19:56 by vibrani : Of course you don't.......because
http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing11.html  

3 Apr 2003 @ 20:22 by spells : Vibrani
If you re-read these posts, you will clearly see that I am the one that just wants to stay on track. I asked you specific quesions. Such as: "how you could see things as you do given current facts and stituations? and how things are changing with the way you are doing things? Also if you are sure that your higher self is not getting informantion from the world consciousness.

But this is getting tiresome, if you don't want to answer the questions then just don't.  

3 Apr 2003 @ 21:11 by vibrani : How about you answer some of mine, too?
Yes, I'm certain. There is a very noticeable difference between higher self, collective consciousness, someone else's energy, past lifetimes, subpersonalities, etc. Of course, you won't admit that you didn't happen to notice that you ignored most of my previous posts supplying you with a lot of information - and you mostly likely will ignore going to the mentioned sites and doing the reading, correct?  

4 Apr 2003 @ 04:37 by spells : Vibrani
Thank you for answering, but that is not a complete answer. I really want to know how YOU know the difference and what you have done to get there. By that I mean exactly what are the differences, in other words specifics.. How does one discern this? How does one attain these higher states of consciousness? Once there what is the experience like and how does one maintain it? Does it start with meditation and then you become proficient? At first are there steps involved? We are all consciousness in bodies therefore we can all attain this if it is our desire.

I ask you these questions not to put you down, (which I shouldn't have to say) but to actually have a discussion so that everyone can learn. People should share their spiritual practices, so that we can all expand. With specifics and details and practical methods shared, we can all only benefit.

I did read your post about 5th dimension and it explained in theory or definition what it is, but please give us your experiences and the principles or techniques you have used to access this dimension, and how you absolutely know you are there. Again, this way we can all learn.

I didn't go to your web site yet, but when I have time to browse and read I will.

Also please also answer: I asked you quite seriously with all the events going on in the world how do you see things getting better? where is the peace and safety with an ongoing, no end in sight war going on? The way to educate or inform is with specifics.  

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