|New Civilization News: A common-law marriage in Colorado between a 14-year-old boy and 12-year-old girl|
Category: Children, Parenting
8 comments16 Jun 2006 @ 16:42 by bushman : Hmm,
I personaly agree, that in certine conditions, common law is the way to go.
16 Jun 2006 @ 20:02 by enora : For children?
Children, that's what they are at 12 and 15, are not capable of handling the responsibility of marriage and sex and children. Sorry, I don't know what Colorado was thinking in making this new law - catering to Mormons, maybe? Children at the age of 12 should not be having sex. Kids don't know what they're doing - their hormones are running wild and they're in fantasy land. Think back to when you were that age. Were you ready for marriage? Yuck. I don't think most adults are! lol
16 Jun 2006 @ 22:38 by martha : I think it is disgusting
what Colorado did making it legal for a 12 year old to be in a common law marriage. You are still a child at 12. This reeks of child abuse and obviously Colorado supports such behavior. This also supports pedophilia. Colorado must be real proud of this.
17 Jun 2006 @ 04:35 by bushman : Lots,
of cultures, consider that once you turn 13, your an adult. And they can try you as an adult for a crime, under certine curcomstances at 13. Leagal marrying age in Hawaii is 14. Fact is they do have sex even younger than 13. No, back when I was that old, there wasnt sexy TV shows with content such as today. This is more the problem, day time TV, kids get home and watch soft porn. Id of lived with a chick sooner than 17, thats when I shacked up with my ex wife. As well they are talking "common law marriage", this means, you have to of been already living together for a few years. Some places its as little as 3 years, then I think here in the USA it's normaly 5,7 or 10 years. Surly yes, lol, at 13, I would of loved being taught how to have sex by an older woman. Now I'm over 40 and don't know what women like in bed, not that I have time to be datting and stuff. Guess I was born too soon, lol. But regardless of the whole issue, if a kid is wanting to have sex, they will do just about anything, to get it. I had a friend that told me his 12 year old daughter grabed some 23 year old guy off the street had sex everyday for a year with him till she got pregnant, and he found out about it 3 months before the baby was due. Now the question here is, if the guy gets locked up for having sex, is getting locked up going to help anyone? At least the common law thing, would, make it so daddy could stay around to help with the kid. Maybe Colorado figures it will have more kids to send off to war?
17 Jun 2006 @ 14:16 by martha : Bushman
The reason it is allowed in Colorado is so some Mormons can continue to practice polygamy. Men force young women into marriages with their friends. Often times the young men are forced out of the community so they aren't in competition with these older men that want to have many young wives. This behavior has been going on in parts of Colorado for over a hundred years.
And so what if other cultures allow this to happen. This is america and I think we are a better country for allowing our young women to grow up and educate themselves and not be forced to start having families when they are still teen agers.
And so what if there is more sexually oriented stuff on TV. A very recent survey found that teens are actually having less sex then they were a few years ago. It is all about honoring and respecting oneself and others. But when a girl is forced into sex at 12 or 13 that is child abuse.
And as far as your example goes, where is the responsibility of that man. To keep his pants zipped. He deserves to go to jail and that girl obviously needs help and good parenting. Your friend is only making excuses for not nurturing the daughter in a more responsible manner.
Furthermore thinking it is OK for a young girl to have sex and/or marry is just another example of men dominating women and using them. Remember it is the men that make the laws and they are the ones benefitting....it certainly isn't the women in this case. Just because other states allow this or it is old English law doesn't make it morally right. It is simply another example of putting women in a position of powerlessness and controlling them from an early age.
17 Jun 2006 @ 16:09 by bushman : Sorry,
I don't agree, it's far better to give the guy the chance to do the right thing, sure, if it's a forced thing, that is rape. Common law marriage has nothing to do with forced sex, more often then not, it's the female, that initiates it. Sorry, as well, just about every law in the USA, defiles nature, humans are to never think of themselves as animals, but it's a fact, humans are animals. In nature, children would have sex like rabbits, but are taught that it's dirty, ungodly, I could say you head a religious war, fundimentalist Christian, against, fundimentalist Mormons a "limted small group". Right, the kids are haveing less sex, and more oral sex, most kids don't consider oral sex, sex. Again I will say that if you put 2 kids together with no outside interferance, they will be having sex, by the time they turn 11 or 12, I will also say it dosnt matter, it can be 2 boys or 2 girls. And if you tell them "don't have sex" they will go out and have sex just because you said it was not allowed. I'm just saying, I've had more girls sneek out at night and visit me, than times I snuck out to visit them. You say it's about male domination, and I say it's like this because kids are horny, and do whats natural. As for some old guy begiling the girl, thats called a "life lesson", because life has never been fair, and never will be fair. Still the Mormon brainwashing thing is so isolated, it dosnt even come close to the average happenings. Seems the USA will be a government of inquasision, and fear. Love is love, when you pass a law limiting love and how it will be played out, won't help the majority. The UN wants to lower the sex laws to 6 years old, and back, child with adult sex. In Japan, teachers have sex with thier students and even parents hire a hooker for them, because it gives them a higher grade point average, what the japanees are saying , "ok, we know your horny, lets take care of it, so you can focuse on your school work. Look it up, is true. Also your pretty sure it's all about Mormons and male domination, why do you think that? When they are miniscule group. Whats wrong with haveing a few wives, when most americans go thru 2-3 mariages in thier life time, your view is just one at a time is ok, but its wrong to let all the ex wives live with the man. As well, the majority of devorced people, still have sex with thier ex's, after the mariage is desolved. Personaly I don't belive in mariage at all, if you want to live together, and youve been together for a few years, you should be able to get the benifits of being married, like, by then you would have common property you purchased together, and health benifits, kids maybe. No human on this planet has the right to push thier morrals on anyone, you can only judge whats morraly right for you, personaly. Laws against human nature are imorral as far as Im concerned. Being a fundimentalist should be against the law.
22 Jun 2006 @ 19:48 by enora : Canada is going the opposite way
CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) -- Seeking to crack down on sexual predators in the era of the Internet, Canada's government brought in legislation Thursday would raise the legal age of consent for sex to 16 from an unusually young 14.
Justice Minister Vic Toews said changing the law will bring Canada's standards into line with those in several other countries, and he complained Canada's relatively low age of consent has attracted sexual criminals from more restrictive countries.
But the proposal, first outlined in April, will also allow youngsters to have consensual sex with people up to five years older or younger, even if that means one partner is aged 14 or 15.
"Our goal in this legislation is not to criminalize teenage youth who may be involved in sexual activity with their peers," Toews told reporters in Ottawa. "It is to make the law more effective in protecting vulnerable young people from adult sexual predators."
Consent standards vary around the world in terms of age, gender and sexual orientation. In most U.S. states, the age of sexual consent is at least 16 and in some cases -- Arizona is one example -- it is as old as 18.
Toews predicted that the move would find broad support among Canadians, with police forces across the country and with lawmakers from all political stripes.
However, some advocacy groups, including the Canadian Federation for Sexual Health, have already expressed concern about changing the law in this way.
The federation, formerly Planned Parenthood, has said there is no evidence that raising the age of consent will improve protection for young people, and warned it may discourage young people from seeking out birth control options or other assistance.
Toews introduced legislation in the House of Commons Thursday, the last day of proceedings before Parliament's summer break, so debate will start only after Parliament resumes on September 18.
27 Dec 2006 @ 01:37 by Karina @188.8.131.52 : No subject
I think it's very disgusting to have places advocate marriage at such a young age.
And I don't understand how so many Americans like the idea of teenagers, preteens and people barely over 20 rushing into marriage.
Perhaps that's why the marriage age is low compared to Europe and some parts of Asia?
Perhaps that's why people have more children in America than the rest of the developed world?
I live in Japan, where you need to be 20 to get married without official legal parental consent paperwork.(20 is when you are legally considered an adult here; you need to be 20 to vote, drink, and smoke cigarettes as well.) 16 to 19 year old girls, and 18 and 19 boys can TECHNICALLY get married if they want to, but statistics and Census shows that the teen marriage rate (ie, people married at the age of 19 or younger) is extremely rare. Even though the laws saying that 16 to 19 year olds can technically get married are still on the books, most people don't get married that young. In fact, the median marriage for men in Japan is about 29 or so, for women, it's about 27 or 28.
A growing number of people choose to not marry at all.
Even those who do get married usually have few children. Many young couples do not want to raise children, or only want 1 or 2.
It's said that half of women entering their 30s here in Japan have never been married.
More and more Japanese people are finding that you do not have to be married to have long-term romantic relationships. They are finding things like in-laws, children, paying each others bills together, and such tiring and messy.
I think America over glamourises marriage too much. There's nothing wrong in wanting to get married in itself, but I think America acts too much like a person has to be married no matter what, and that a person should not be able to fall in love unless you are legally married to that person.
Ironically, those same Americans are often vehemently opposed to allowing GLBT people gain civil unions rights or marriage rights.
In Japan, even though most people don't advocate gay marriage (in general, among straights and gays, the attitude about marriage is that it's an option, and marriage isn't everything in life), there aren't a lot of bigots who vehemently and vocally oppose it.
I think more Americans should open up their minds to life.
You do not need to be married to live a life.
You do not need to be married to have a healthy, monogamous romantic/sexual relationship with somebody.
I find it disgusting that so many Americans would advocate teen marriage and marriage involving minors, as well as Americans acting like marriage is everything in life.
That's why I find life in Japan as a single 19 year old to be wonderful.
My mother is 41, she is divorced, and never wants to remarry again. My uncle is 43 and has never been married. My mother's cousin, who is female, got married when she was 30. The other three of my mother's cousins have never been married as well. But they're all happy in life in their own ways.
Despite the fact that you can get married without parental consent at age 20 here, most 20 year olds aren't married, neither are they in a hurry; they believe that marriage isn't everything in life.
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