en http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v105/ http://www.newciv.org/news/Images/ncnicon2-s.gif http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v105/ 88 31 OrgSpace NewsLog 1.81 Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:51:12 UT Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:51:12 UT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 180 http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com121149 2010-04-29 05:51: comment by Ultrawoman on "Wrgl's Stamp Scrip The Threat of a Good Example?":<br/>zeitgeistmovie.com http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com121149 Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:51:12 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000003/#com116800 2010-01-25 02:11: comment by jone on "Bretton Woods and the path not taken":<br/>[url=http://www.ksd.com]ksd[/url] ksd ksd http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000003/#com116800 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:11:56 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com101432 2009-05-13 17:43: comment by <a href="http://design.ru-deluxe.ru">Carr</a> on "Is the cup half empty or half full?":<br/>Hi all. There ain't no free lunches in this country. And don't go spending your whole life commiserating that you got raw deals. You've got to say, 'I think that if I keep working at this and want it bad enough I can have it.' Help me! Looking for sites on: adobe photoshop cs2 kisti. I found only this - adobe photoshop cs2 kisti. Design a truss bridge using the award winning west point bridge designer software. Information on kitchen design ideas, where to find suppliers of materials, design kitchen software. Thanks for the help :o, Carr from Sudan. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com101432 Wed, 13 May 2009 17:43:30 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com97367 2008-12-02 17:04: comment by <a href="http://wraft.blogspot.com">Warren Raftshol</a> on "Wrgl's Stamp Scrip The Threat of a Good Example?":<br/>Raftshol for Governor 2010. Visit http://wraft.blogspot.com http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com97367 Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:04:27 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com95544 2008-10-05 21:34: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v308">vaxen</a> on "Is the cup half empty or half full?":<br/>2 Sept 2002! And today is Sunday 05 October 2008! And what has changed? Have you? http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com95544 Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:34:56 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com95529 2008-10-04 22:40: comment by <a href="http://www.vivzizi.com">George</a> on "Wrgl's Stamp Scrip The Threat of a Good Example?":<br/>The liberty dollar was started some time ago in the USA as a metal based currency.<br/><br/>It is widely accepted by businesses in some areas of the country.<br/><br/>http://www.libertydollar.org/ http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com95529 Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:40:51 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com95528 2008-10-04 19:30: comment by hp on "Wrgl's Stamp Scrip The Threat of a Good Example?":<br/>Have a look at Zeitgeist - Addendum! See you at TheVenusProject.com http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com95528 Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:30:12 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com95526 2008-10-04 18:40: comment by <a href="http://www.joshuazeidner.com">Joshua Zeidner</a> on "Wrgl's Stamp Scrip The Threat of a Good Example?":<br/>I wrote a fairly popular article on local currencies:<br/><br/>http://www.joshuazeidner.com/2008/03/in-we-we-trust-prospect-of-local.html http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com95526 Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:40:22 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000004/#com83414 2007-06-10 08:23: comment by Maidul islam on "Governments could issue interest-free money":<br/>I did not understand the whole thing but, i like the idea of interest free economy. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000004/#com83414 Sun, 10 Jun 2007 08:23:28 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com80173 2007-03-20 09:22: comment by <a href="http://www.brahmakmaris.info">bkwsu watch</a> on "Is the cup half empty or half full?":<br/>Visions of a Better World Foundation and the Brahma Kumaris [BKs] are both the same people. the Visions for a Better World is a BKWSU service front. The joke is that they believe that the world is about to be destroyed by nuclear holocaust and after 6 Billlion of us die, uring which time they will become angels. Then 900,000 of them only will become "worship worthy" gods and goddesses in a nuclear powered heaven on earth. They believe that time is only 5,000 years long and repeated identically within which, of course, they are the most superior souls. "Shudras" or "untouchables" is what they call non-BKs. They say "God" possesses a little old Indian lady and speaks messsages through her to them telling them on these things. For more information, see; http://www.brahmakmaris.info http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com80173 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:22:07 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com72329 2006-07-22 01:33: comment by <a href="mailto:mail4penty@gmail.com">penty</a> on "Wrgl's Stamp Scrip The Threat of a Good Example?":<br/>We already have a system like this just with different names. <br/><br/>Negative interest for holding money is called inflation, every month your money is worth a little less becasue of it, just like the system above. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com72329 Sat, 22 Jul 2006 01:33:06 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com47794 2004-12-14 23:47: comment by <a href="http://www.earthsociety.org">Tyler Jordan</a> on "Wrgl's Stamp Scrip The Threat of a Good Example?":<br/>This is certainly the best system I've seen thus far for an alternative currency system. The flaw, as usual, isn't so much the system itself, it's the fact that the PTB will fight it tooth and nail and they have the brainwashed masses behind them. Ultimately, it is an information war, and they have all the major outlets. So I question not this system, but how things can ever change when those in power, the PTB, have no incentive to change things? It is my considered opinion that if we really want to change things, we must apply our creativity and find an incentive for the PTB. If they see a juicy enough carrot, everything will change. They are called the PTB simply because they have the power - control over the global mass of labor via their information outlets. If we can find a good carrot they will use their power to grab it and the rest will follow.<br/><br/>Tyler Jordan, webmaster and author www.earthsociety.org http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com47794 Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:47:30 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com47746 2004-12-13 20:46: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v257">b</a> on "Is the cup half empty or half full?":<br/>I guess that is why we humans seem to have an urge to be intoxicated. Dreary old newspapers. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com47746 Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:46:25 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com47499 2004-12-06 20:08: comment by <a href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0l0yx/">Joe Kelley</a> on "Wrgl's Stamp Scrip The Threat of a Good Example?":<br/>Please look here:<br/>http://tmh.floonet.net/pdf/jwarren.pdf<br/><br/>Above is another example of what can happen in a society that manages to avoid forced exchange mediums. <br/><br/>To declare that negative interest or interest earning mediums of exchange do not or cannot work may certainly be true for some yet is obviously not true for others. <br/>Control of the medium exchange as a forced, unnatural monopoly does not appear to be the case in the examples sited here:<br/>http://www.itk.ntnu.no/ansatte/Andresen_Trond/finans/others/interest-free-money.txt<br/><br/>Those examples suggest a free market utilizing exchange mediums in the absence of unnatural forces or dictatorial controls. Some of those examples ended at the point of a bayonet. <br/><br/>The exchange medium utilized by greedy, violent, and deceitful people is going to lend itself well to these personality traits. Equitable commerce is something else entirely and can take on many forms, perhaps as many different forms as there are people willing, on their own accord, to imagine, construct, incorporate, and utilize new and better forms of exchange. This is the power locked in the free market that requires a lessening of the involuntary controls currently in force in order to be released. Competition for the best form of exchange will lead the way toward the best form of exchange. Forced compliance toward any specific exchange medium impedes the free market and peoples natural tendency to improve. <br/><br/>If negative interest money is a useful tool for improving commerce as the examples suggest then it can be useful now as long as people are at liberty. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com47499 Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:08:05 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com21062 2003-08-25 12:07: comment by David B on "Wrgl's Stamp Scrip The Threat of a Good Example?":<br/>What other way exists to meet your needs? Please, comment on this. Describe a system by which you meet your needs and wants that eliminates exchange? By this I mean a system under which you acquire food, water, shelter and procreate without exchange. I know there is one, it's called subsitence farming or hunting/gathering.<br/><br/>Money is simply a convenient way to exchange. It is a medium of exchange, it is not a problem. Name a problem with money, and I'll guarantee you that it goes back to the monopolistic control of governments/states over money. They appropriate this power to themselves via their first monopoly, right of force.<br/><br/>Go look at what the world was like before money existed. Advanced economies were not possible.<br/><br/>Negative interest rates are an unnaturally occuring artifice, they will only confuse investment. What you see in the example is an almost entirely unhampered market economy! That's why it looks so good. The only "tampering" is the "negative interest". But our system already has an equivalent better investment motivation, it's called interest. It's better because it's rate is determined by the market (except for the Federal Reserve and the World Bank) and the rates adjust to ensure that investment meets demand.<br/><br/>Consider:<br/><br/>Under negative interest if I hold my money, I pay a fee. If someone else is holding it, they pay the fee. I lose less by lending! OR I MAKE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY I WOULD HAVE PAID IN NEGATIVE INTEREST FEES! The last two statements are equivalent.<br/><br/>Meanwhile, with positive interest, if I earn interest when I lend money, I make money by investing it. I give someone the money and they pay me a fee! If I held the money and didn't invest it (hoarding) I would lose money RELATIVE TO THE MONEY I COULD MAKE BY INVESTING IT!<br/><br/>Please notice that the two situations are identical, EXCEPT THAT IN THE LATTER MARKET FORCES DICTATE THE RATE OF INTEREST. The rate of interest adjusts to the rate necessary to balance supply and demand of money in the capital investment market! In the negative interest example, an arbitrary burden has been placed on money, people have an additional factor that must be computed in their transactions. They move money faster, because it's dwindling away, not because they used it to acquire goods they needed. Making people lend money doesn't help them, whoever is stuck holding the constantly depreciating bills is screwed. So someone has to eat that loss. That loss comes out of hte entreprenuer's pocket. It would thus have the necessary effect of reducing the number of person's willing to borrow this depreciating currency. <br/><br/>Though the system did well, it would have done better without the negative interest. The real positive effects were definitely caused by the unhampered nature of that market economy, not by the negative interest.<br/><br/>What we need is to go back to the gold standard and get rid of government money regulations, like the Federal Reserve in the US. Let banks compete to provide reserve notes (currency), make every piece of paper money be backed by a guarantee of gold. This would eliminate artificial inflation, and the boom bust business cycle.<br/><br/><br/>www.mises.org http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000002/#com21062 Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:07:58 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com9282 2002-12-20 06:28: comment by spiritseek on "Is the cup half empty or half full?":<br/>Predicting disaesters before they happen seem to be worth money.Predictions on this basis causes it to be so and feeds into our minds the negative view of the world. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com9282 Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:28:40 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000001/#com9276 2002-12-20 04:19: comment by altciv on "The Proactive Revolution":<br/>Hi Martin -<br/><br/>Thanks for great ideas well expressed. I agree that the "one issue syndrdome" can miss the inter-relatedness of peoples, cultures, environments, etc. I would like to see all interested men and women inventory their own lives and select alternatives for anything that hurts anyone or any environment. We can each replace negative civilized addictions with positive alternatives that we enjoy.<br/>Group meetings can provide brain-storming for new ideas and avaoiding some unintended consequences. We will encounter all sorts of opposition, so supporting each other will be important.<br/><br/>Thanks for your great article. Let's all find and use an alternative, now, with the wisdom and support of other non-conformists.<br/><br/>Bill Clift<br/>important. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000001/#com9276 Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:19:14 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com6381 2002-09-04 17:47: comment by <a href="mailto:bsosa@anchorage.net">bonny sosa</a> on "Is the cup half empty or half full?":<br/>Because of individuals like Martin Oliver, I feel my cup is half full. Thanks for the article. It was worth acting on. Keep it up. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com6381 Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:47:13 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com6329 2002-09-02 23:33: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v105">alchemist</a> on "Is the cup half empty or half full?":<br/>As a PS, maybe 11th September would be a good day to steer clear of the 8 page World Trade Centre supplements, and instead reflect on creating a future that is radically different from our past. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000007/#com6329 Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:33:49 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000006/#com6178 2002-08-27 22:15: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v308">vaxen</a> on "US veterans return to Iraq to wage peace":<br/>Martin...and thankyou very much for the link to VFP. Of course Iraq has already been attacked and there are major bases being built there even now...but this is hidden from the general publics awareness by the PSYOPS and IO being saddled upon their oh so broad backs and in their oh so weakened brains. Ah well...this link is a little encouraging. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000105-000006/#com6178 Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:15:06 UT