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MUSE LOG: Much ado about nothing---3.5 on the RM scale |
Category: Information 15 comments
21 Apr 2003 @ 00:45 by quidnovi : Oh, PLEEEASE don't, Andy! 21 Apr 2003 @ 05:47 by swan : Rather than looking at this as a "Richard moment" lets look at it as building the foundation for a fantastic group. There is something here to talk about. A snaggleyglych as Shakti would say. What is it about? How can we use it creatively to develop the creative energy in this Embryo? We are friends we can do this! If we don't look at it it will be a "Richard Moment" that can keep coming to visit us. IMHO Shakti expressed discomfort about the collage, and you got defensive, Francis. That isn't like you. I don't know what happened, do you? ( remember this is just my opinion ) ============= LOL. "I" certainly am no "angel," but this is certainly not just about me, Swan. We all have our buttons, I guess. You certainly have yours and it is clear that Shakti has hers and I have mines (sorry to disappoint you so here.) My issue was not so much about Shakti's discomfort as it was about the form in which her statement [19 Apr 2003 @ 00:41] was issued. As I might have already pointed out elsewhere I make no secret that my nerves are a little raw right now with people issuing "EITHER OR" demands (if you know what I mean.) It rubbed me the wrong way, that's all. But then again you are right, I should know better than that, Shakti is certainly not G. W. Bush (far from it!) As a matter of fact I consider her a friend (and I might even have called her a sister somewhere in the Cauldron) a thing that I don't do lightly. But then again, this is probably the reason why I reacted (over-reacted?) so strongly. What do you think? :-) And as far as the creative energy is concerned, I think it most likely that moments like this will come and visit us again---they are part of the energy too, and they have their part to play in the creative process (the interaction of light and shadow.) Let's just not take all of this too seriously, OK ---"Angel can fly because they take themselves lightly" (who is the author of that quote anyway? Anyone knows?) ---quid 21 Apr 2003 @ 07:23 by martha : francis and all Francis wrote "I feel however that I have taken quite some liberties already by removing them from the first post on which they originated. So, deleting the comments altogether is fine with me PROVIDED I can get the approval from their authors of course." Let me be clear on this. I take exception to any of my posts being changed in anyway without my permission. In fact I had a large blow up with Mark about this very subject. I have recently come to the decision that I will no longer post on anyone's logs or in any work room where part of my post or all it is has been tampered with. I am willing to discuss it once with the person but if it happens a second time then I will no longer put energy into that place. So because you didn't know my feelings on this subject francis, i have reposted my message, only shortened it. Just to clarify further, I don't mind being quoted. I applaud everyone for the above discussion. I agree francis is a bit defensive but so are others, including myself. It is a trained reaction and I beleive we are aware of it in ourselves and others. Part of the process, as we know, is to work through defenses. I love the honesty of everyone here and lets always maintain that no matter what. True communication can only come from honest intent. ======== Reg: Transferring your comment. You are ABSOLUTLY CORRECT here Martha and I apologize about this. Originally, I had just indicated my "intention" of removing the comments, I had copied here, from the original post from which they came. And then, I did go ahead AND deleted them from the original post (t'was 1:00 in the morning, yah know) and half-way through it I started feeling not quite right about it---but t' was already too late by then. So you did quote me rightly, as I did feel that I took too much liberty here. I should have waited to have everybody's agreement on the matter before moving on (if at all) with the "transfer" the way I did. Mea culpa! ---quid ************************************************************* Mr. Morris says "It is OK francis and martha completely understands you. I on the other hand don't understand why I'm not in the picture." 21 Apr 2003 @ 09:14 by invictus : Sorry I'm coming in rather late... Just woke up and all : ). I don't think there was any censorship going on, by anyone. Just honest expression. And amen to Martha's comment about honesty... and yes, we should discuss it. I think we have. I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable in here, so it's good to do this. I have no problem with the above comments of mine being expunged from existence. Thanks for asking. 21 Apr 2003 @ 10:44 by quidnovi : Gargoyles and Dragons can be friends Truth is, they might even be closely related. Or so says Russ Brown. I quote: "But where did gargoyles come from anyway? Surely, they are odd ornamentation to Christian architecture. Often, they are in the figure of dragons or other fantastic creatures. Sometimes they are human...sort of...but always grotesque. The stories of their origin are varied. Some traditions have them as demons, imprisoned in stone for a thousand years, to be released at the Great Tribulation or awaiting the Final Judgment (cf. Rev. 9:1-6 & 20:1-3), depending on the eschatology. Others view them as commemoration of the Church's victory over paganism. Or more often, as divine "scarecrows", if you will, sleepless stone sentinels to ward off the forces of darkness which might try to invade holy ground." Just one thing though, I will be seriously offended if I catch anyone calling me the "Gargoyle Gentleman." I don't know, for some reason it just doesn't seem as dignified as the "Dragon Lady." ;-) 21 Apr 2003 @ 10:45 by shawa : I´m fine. Francis, I understand what you say above, no problem. I´m for making the LESS waves possible, because the project of Embryo is so interesting that I´m willing to keep on rolling about details. Please count on my flexibility, OK? I´m over the hill with this, and I feel fine. Francis, you OK? Some good points have come out; I agree with Swan that it´s foundational work, and we´re learning. Francis says :"Just one thing though, I will be seriously offended if I catch anyone calling me the "Gargoyle Gentleman." I don't know, for some reason it just doesn't seem as dignified as the "Dragon Lady." ;-) Hehehehe - exactly my point. ;-) I have nothing against gargoyles, and even less after going to the link above, Francis. Said gargoyle IS a dragon, and I stay content. :-) 21 Apr 2003 @ 10:50 by shawa : Post Scriptum : I´m glad we ALL are free in this Room, and that individual freedom of expression is acknowledged and promoted. :-) 21 Apr 2003 @ 11:28 by quidnovi : Just riding the wave T' is ALL "music that goes bump in the night", you know :-) []http://rturnoffly.freeyellow.com/SURFFLY7.gif []http://www.newciv.org/pic/bluehat.gif Errr... Shakti (I am afraid to ask :} does this mean that we are now OK with keeping the present post up or should we still have the group consider its possible removal as you previously suggested? Or have we all moved beyond that, at this point? Judging by everyone's reactions, my preference would be to keep it up---or not---depending on how everyone feels about it :-) What do you think? 21 Apr 2003 @ 13:06 by quidnovi : Shakti??? []http://www.newciv.org/pic/redhat.gif Whatever happened to the "TOTALLY HUMAN HIEROGLYPH" entry? I though the Arizing of the Phoenix was a fitting and TIMELY post---especially with NCN going off the Net for one day and a half and its "resurrection" (all rather somewhat symbolic, didn't you think?) I also miss "La Paloma de la Paz" wax crayon by Govinda. 21 Apr 2003 @ 13:13 by swan : Yes! The Embryo survived our first RM (Richard Moment). When one is pregnant with quintuplets I would imaging this kind of thing happens when one baby wants to role over and the rest just want to suck their thumbs or something. Elbo room. Francis says to Swan " you certainly have buttons", or some such thing. To which Swan replies " ya think?" * grinning* 21 Apr 2003 @ 23:35 by quidnovi : "RM" That's good, Swan. I think we should add that one to our NCN thesaurus :-) []http://www.newciv.org/pic/yellowhat.gif Let's take that a step further and let's introduce a RM SCALE: Less than 3.5 ===> Generally not felt, but recorded. 3.5 to 5.4 ====> Often felt, but rarely causes damage. Under 6.0 ===> At most slight disruption to well-designed rooms. 6.1 to 6.9 ===> Can be disruptive in areas exceeding the limits of the room where it took place. 7.0 to 7.9 ===> Major disruption. Can cause serious disruptions over the entire NCN community at large. 8 or greater ===> The "big one". Of a nature to threaten the fundations of NCN as we know it. 22 Apr 2003 @ 04:50 by shawa : :-) Sorry, I´ve deleted a comment of mine above and then realized that the whole thing now hangs together as a spiderweb, and that I shouldn´t have. The truth, I would delete the whole entry. Hopefully, it will scroll down and more interesting material will appear. I deleted the hieroglyphic entry because I need to wait a bit to see how this Room turns out. ======= Don't worry about the spiderweb thingy, Shakti. I fixed that by just placing a note on the next comment (following the one you deleted) explaining what happened so that the whole thing won't just hang out off context. OK? (Oh what a tangled web we weave ;-) ---quid 22 Apr 2003 @ 05:28 by swan : spiderwebs are good too. Spider is the mother of Creativity. 22 Apr 2003 @ 07:27 by martha : hush now Mr. Morris quit growling about not being in the picture. 22 Apr 2003 @ 09:37 by quidnovi : The Rain in Spain... :-) "I would delete the whole entry. Hopefully, it will scroll down and more interesting material will appear." ---Shakti By George, she got it :-) YES, Shakti! This is PRECISELY why I removed the comments from the Roundtable Template and posted them here, this post will eventually sink at the bottom, while on the other hand there is a quite a good chance that the Roundtable Post will be consulted, on and off, in the future (especially if it is listed as reference material.) See? :-) Other musings in Information 25 Jul 2004 @ 00:53: Muppetational: The NCN Show! 17 Jun 2004 @ 10:46: Youth Speaks 15 Apr 2004 @ 00:01: 2004-15-04 5 Feb 2004 @ 13:53: Creative Programming 31 Oct 2003 @ 17:40: Samhain 19 Sep 2003 @ 15:09: and one more 19 Sep 2003 @ 15:08: signs again 19 Sep 2003 @ 15:05: Signs 20 Jul 2003 @ 11:53: Coffee in the Backyard - Chapter 2 13 May 2003 @ 11:32: MAILBOX
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20 Apr 2003 @ 19:59, by Quidnovi
