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6 Oct 2003 @ 14:33, by Bruce Kodish

Thinking about the difference between the map and the journey....

Quite a topic to deal with in business and elsewhere. Lately, I've been exploring that issue in politics, i.e., in regard to what could be called "post-communist marxism," the contemporary political left.

The results of the socialist dream--economic destitution and the murder and imprisonment of hundreds of millions of people in Soviet Gulags and elsewhere--have not even yet been acknowledged by many leftists as an inevitible result of their utopian visions. (Of course, they would cease to be leftists if they acknowledged that, wouldn't they?) What keeps most leftists continuing to worship the map of socialism and ignore the nightmarish results of the journey it has led to?



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6 Oct 2003 @ 15:36 by jmarc : taught to use mispelling as political
commentary, they seek the easy out instead of real solutions. For the political left, it is feelings that count more than facts. For them Captilalism requires too much effort, and rather than come up with workable answers, slander of people and presidents is their answer. It matters not that their utopia has never existed and can't exist,in the frame work that they suggest, for it is in the tearing down that they gain their recognition, instead of in the production of real solutions.  


6 Oct 2003 @ 15:40 by jmarc : but i'm sure
they mean well.  


6 Oct 2003 @ 15:46 by jmarc : no slander
and that's my point, that you've just made. I can't vote for Arnold though sorry. That's for the Californians to do.When people disagree with you politically they are not slandering you. When you accuse people who disagree with you politically of slander, well, that's err, slander.  


7 Oct 2003 @ 10:26 by The Enquirer @67.114.89.98 : There to Enquire :)
Are you a left wing wacko?

Take this {link:http://archive.salon.com/comics/tomo/2001/08/06/tomo/index.html|simple test} and find out!  



7 Oct 2003 @ 11:50 by Marnie Bowen @67.114.89.98 : ..........sigh!
Those of us who get a little thrill from discovering something that sometimes "makes" one re-evaluate one's beliefs tend to think that 'everyone' is 'like us' in this way.
However, some recent articles on this Blog suggest that people can be pretty stuck in old way thinking and unwilling or uncapable to considering new facts and interpretations in a way that opens them to changing their minds. And It can be a trait of LEFTISTS OR RIGHTISTS, Islamists or Zionist or Fundamentalist Christians. Whatever. Narrow-mindedness is pervasive and never has been the monopoly of any one perticular faith or ideology. Of course, almost nobody thinks of themselves as narrow-minded.  



7 Oct 2003 @ 20:28 by Bruce Kodish @24.205.69.22 : Nothing To Sigh About

Marnie...I try to look for ways in which I might function 'narrow-mindedly' so I consider that you have some useful points ...
for which I have no reason to sigh.
Regards,
Bruce  



7 Oct 2003 @ 21:00 by Bruce Kodish @24.205.69.22 : The Enquirer's Question Answered
According to Tom Tomorrow's test--yes, I do qualify as a left wing wacko.
Regards,
Bruce  



7 Oct 2003 @ 21:06 by vibrani : The only good thing
I can say in Arnold's favor is that if he truly does surround himself with top notch advisers, then we have a chance.

Marnie, sometimes people aren't afraid to see another viewpoint or to try out something different - but have made CHOICES for themselves which YOU might interpret as being narrow-minded. There is a difference between being narrow-minded and having weighed all sides of an issue and made a decision (which doesn't also mean one is eternally stuck with that decision, either).  



7 Oct 2003 @ 21:27 by Bruce Kodish @24.205.69.22 : Tom Tomorrows Test
For anyone with the interest, my answers to the test:
1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. No  



8 Oct 2003 @ 10:21 by Marnie Bowen @67.114.89.98 : If you say so it must be true Vibrani
However assuming one has weighed ALL sides of an issue isn't exactly conductive to open-mindedness - is it? Labelling people (Leftist, Rightists, Islamists, Zionist, Christians etc) is a quick way to categorize people into particular groups. From these quick distinctions, we make value judgments based on our past prejudices and upbringing. As soon as you label or group a person you apply all of your preconceived notions of what that group or label means to you. People are not their labels - people are unique individuals, each with their own thoughts, dreams and aspirations. As you purge yourself of these labels you will come to better understand people you are dealing with, and through this process gain a better understanding of yourself as well.  


8 Oct 2003 @ 11:22 by vibrani : Yes, of course
everyone is a person, Marnie. (Please don't assume you know me, either.) I'd like to see you write articles about various cultures around the world and NOT have to refer to a label every now and then. It would take many more words and could add to confusion as most of the world DOES use labels, and not necessarily in an insulting manner.  


8 Oct 2003 @ 11:57 by scotty : jeeze Marnie !
I do so wish that you'd join this site - I'm sure that your log would be a treasure chest for those of us who seek growth.
(I'm not being sarky - I'm being serious - people like me need people like you )  



8 Oct 2003 @ 17:16 by Marnie Bowen @67.114.89.98 : Spin it any which way you like
STEREOTYPES, PREJUDICES, CARICATURES, SCAPEGOATING, RATIONALIZATION, SELF-DECEPTION, COMPLACENCY, SELF-JUSTIFICATION, this is really what I was talking about. People saying one thing and doing another. THE BLAME GAME. Trying to get other to think well of oneself and ill of the other. This is not about you - i wouldn't assume vibrani- but it is what we do as humans. It is our key failing.

scotty - thanx - no "treasure chest" - sorry - you don't strike me like the kind who needs help anyway. Look at how people behave, not at what they say. It is a MUCH more accurate indicator of a person's true position.  



8 Oct 2003 @ 17:41 by scotty : exactly my point Marnie !

think about it anyway maybe ! ciao  



8 Oct 2003 @ 20:00 by Marnie Bowen @209.179.131.160 : wasted opportunity
The map is not the territory is one of the most important principle of General Semantics. The question is not whether or not we know this but whether or not we act as if we know this. THAT! was my point.

Anyway scotty you seem like a nice person, maybe we'll meet again.  



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