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Dare To Inquire: More on Antisemitism from Ruth Wisse |
Category: Articles 20 comments 17 Nov 2003 @ 19:04 by bushman : A gardeners point of view.If one group or person holds most or all the cards, no one else will want to play and then they creat thier own game, because the persons holding all the cards, have all the cards because they don't know how to share. Also why even assume a lable if it dosn't matter still, that the person with the cards dosn't share them with anyone? I have been known to be pretty liberal with the amount of mulch I have to use. It's also illegal to spank a spoild selfish brat, these days. Well I hope all these selfish children grow up soon, before they break all thier toys. And in the end none of the politics will matter, it boils down to whats in the childrens hearts, guide them yes, but don't chain them to the well treaded path. 18 Nov 2003 @ 01:52 by vibrani : Another Anti-Semite Nov. 18, 2003 Another anti-Semite Criticism of Israel, it is often said, should not be equated with anti-Semitism. True enough. But it's also true that anti-Zionism has long provided anti-Semites with political cover. Every now and then, however, the cover slips. We saw this last year, when Irish poet Tom Paulin versified against the "Zionist SS." We saw it when Gretta Duisenberg, the wife of the president of the European Central Bank, quipped that she would seek six million signatures for her pro-Palestinian petition. We saw it when Portuguese novelist and Nobel laureate Jose Saramango, on a "solidarity" visit with Yasser Arafat, equated Ramallah with Auschwitz. Now, Greek composer Mikis Theodorakis has said that the Jews are the root of all evil. Coming on the heels of Malaysian leader Mohamad Mahatir's remarks about the Jews seeking to rule the world, and of German lawmaker Martin Hohmann's accusation that Jews were behind Bolshevism's atrocities, there is a natural tendency to lump all these forms of bigotry together, and link them to Israel's behavior. Reality is different. As Mossad experts have recently said in closed forums, the Jewish people is facing today three kinds of anti-Semitism: classic, liberal, and Muslim. For its part, the Mossad warns that the Muslim sort which is also the newest is also the most dangerous. Judging by the deadly attacks waged last year in Djerba, and last May in Casablanca, and last week in Istanbul that is clearly right, at least in the immediate term. Conversely, the kind of pronouncement made by Hohmann represents time-honored anti-Semitic instincts, which lead people to first detect persons of Jewish background and then assume they all operate in clandestine coordination. Those, too, while their social potency cannot be exaggerated, can at least be dismissed intellectually as little more than poor jokes. Yet statements made by celebrities on the scale of Theodorakis matter, because they come from people who pretend to care about the world, and who are widely respected in opinion-making circles. Moreover, as a man who sat in jail for facing up to the military junta that once ruled his country, Theodorakis carries "moral weight," or what passes for that in an increasingly immoral world. Fortunately, Theodorakis's statements were followed by a clear and official Greek statement of disassociation. Unfortunately, the composer's pronouncements are no slip of the tongue, nor the mere case of one individual. Rather, they are evidence of a much broader disaster the moral disaster of the European Left. To say, as Theodorakis has, that he is attacking the Jews because he has "always sided with the weak," is a good reflection of current European thinking, which effectively holds that almost any application of power is a sin and that powerlessness is a virtue. So would Theodorakis have supported Hitler the morning after his army surrendered at Stalingrad, on the grounds that thereafter the Germans were on the defensive? The suggestion is absurd, but so too is a morality that is indifferent to anything but crude calculations of the balance of power. (Even by Theodorakis's measure, it is far from obvious that a resource-poor country of six million is stronger than its 280 million resource-rich and almost uniformly hostile neighbors.) What Theodorakis and his fellow travelers who once made careers of confronting European and South American dictators have yet to concede, let alone do something about, is the flourishing of despotism in the Middle East. Instead, they have chosen to demonize the US and Israel in a way that bears ever-greater resemblance to what we hear every day from Islamic fundamentalists. Even now, most Europeans of the Left understand that the real root of the problem is religious fanaticism and political repression. But it also seems that misdirected sympathies, as well as a latent fear of Muslim advances on the Continent, are leading them to appease the worst elements of the Muslim world at Israel's expense. To them, we say: At best, you are purchasing time at the expense of principle. And at some point, you'll run out of both. We can only hope that Theodorakis's anti-Semitic remarks awaken you to your impending moral bankruptcy. 18 Nov 2003 @ 06:35 by waalstraat : All your Points are well Taken Nora Especially your point about who holds the card. I find it interesting that less than a couple of weeks ago Ming made the statement the Israelis hold all the cards and now the Bushman Gardner repeats the very same terms. Here it is folks how the big lie gets spread...and no one will own up to the fact that their lack of a balanced viewpoint, because they see through ideological lenses, helps fan the fires of anti-semitism and perhaps the "final solution" to the "Jewish Problem." The problem is that a large majority of the left are no longer thinking humanist and liberals instead they are ideologist. In fact they are fundamental leftist and are drowning out their liberal left sisters and brothers. In the theory or philosopy of science it is an accepted postulate that you can support any hypothesis; therefore, a good scientist physical or political should establish a null hypothesis, and see if he can support it. If he finds any negative instances at all that means he must rethink and reformulate his positive hypothesis. But the ideological left bereft of true liberals, is not looking to disprove their own premises about Israel, and truly research and propegate the truth about how the present situation came about. They are not anxious to determine how accurate the dogmas they spreading truly are. If any of you feel Israel is such a big danger, and that they are playing unfair, because the "hold all the card" join me in a thought experiment (a methodology a famous Jewish Pacifist named Einstein utilized in developing his theories)-- let us imagine Israel leaders came to the conclusion their military might was causing so much antipathy toward Jews that they found it a necessity to unilaterally disarm and turn over all their weapons to the UN. What do you think would happen to Israel and one of the largest population of Jews left in the world....tell yourself the truth about this one. Now lets do another one. Imagine what would happen to dreams and aspirations of the Palestinians and their desire to have a state, if they were to disarm their terrorist organizations--if you want to call them militants call them militants-- like they agreed to do according to the roadplan and previous peace plans...If you were truthful with yourself you will have to admit the state of Israel would be attacked on all sides and their citizens would truly be driven to the sea, whereas the Palestinian would end up with their own state... 18 Nov 2003 @ 08:32 by bushman : Dosn't matter. It's the holly land, and it belongs to the world, not Isrial, not palistine. What I do when the kids fight over something, is take it away from both of them, that way the next time they will find a way to share it. The UN should go in and occupy it. Well I said what I said without lables, are you saying that Einstine labled himself a pasafist, or was it the people that decided that he was? So let me get this straight, when the USA decided that they wanted thier own country and way of life it was ok to go to North America, and take it from the indigonous peoples. Then set them up, way later to have thier own state or nation within our borders that is totaly lacking the infastructure of the rest of the country thats here today. So it's ok to take the indigonouse peoples lands and assimilat them into your way of thinking. Seems it worked over here, since there are so few native peoples that survived the takeover. It was ok for them to have thier own nation within our boarders now? Even though what they have is nothing compared to what they once had. Put a lable on something or someone , and they are judged? Theres only 10,000 pure Japanees people these days on the whole face of the earth, so it's ok to let them play? Then there are people who would say, well if the natives loved thier land so much they would of killed the invaders before they got off the ship. The only lable I carry is by my choice, I'm a gardener. If you want to judge me, fine, since you must be better because you arn't a true gardener, and gardeners get dirty and play in poop all day. It makes me less than you. It's ok to say to me, hey man, you stink, get out of my store, because I'm less, not equil to your cleanlyness. As long as any country or people believe they are better, they will burn. 18 Nov 2003 @ 09:26 by waalstraat : So now I see You are not Anti-Jewish! Sorry my man, you are ANTI-SEMITIC. You want the land taken away from the Palestinians semites and the Israeli Semites, and given to the UN. My daughter is part Cherokee, and her mother is leagally a Cherokee, so I am in favor of giving the American Indians the right to returns. How soon are you going to give your grandchild's homestead back to the American or at least compensate them. An if some fundamentalist American Indians tried to take back what is morally theirs and tried to take your grand kids home are you willing to let the UN settle it by occupying the land by occupying it and taking it from your children---silly little boy---and they (you know who) say Jews are emotional and irrational...Oh by the way the the land is considered holy because the Jewish Patriarchs settled and lived there, and another Jew who many people consider a messiah, lived and was crucified there by the people who took away from the Jews and drove them out...If you want to be simple that's simple...this is silly--drop some more peyote and write some more stuff to entertain me Bushy.... Then you should feel real self satisfied that if there is another holocaust your obvious hatred, helped fan the fires that energized it...SEE THEY ARE STILL AROUND FOLKS, and they are NICE, and they talk about Fair, and Justice, just like they did in Germany in the thirties, they even probably have a favorite Jew Why not Hitler did...Up with balanced Views and down with Ideology....I think this is making me Rhetorical...OY, Feh Bless you Bushman...I mean that....I probably will have to remove my self from NCN sooner or later, because it hurts my heart, and I am wondering about the concept of right company...I wish you all could truly find love and understanding and care about both sides instead being against a people who had to get the right cards to use, or they will be massacred...ýou think you are for the underdogs but you are stacking the deck for a massacre---shame! Some liberals! 18 Nov 2003 @ 09:49 by bushman : Still, All you did just now was spew lables, yes because I don't claim any land as my own, Yes, I would teach my kids to be a world citizen, and yes, if my kid was on land that the UN wants to make world property I would tell them to move. Because these days humans with thier tech can live just about anywhere. And thats the point, all anyone on this planet wants is a place to live with the tech that helps them do that, even in the harshest of lands and climate this planet has to offer. Give me a patch of crap land, and Ill make it a garden of eden, not a bombed out, contaminated, mess. 18 Nov 2003 @ 10:02 by waalstraat : Bless you Bushman I know you are well intended, and want a good world, but in my opinion you are make some serious mistakes...remember your center...I rebuked you...and I did some sort of name calling...because I was giving you back some of your stuff...however I was witnessing myself do, and I chose to go ahead...there is no hate, here, not even prolonged anger just pain and worry about what I see may be about to come down on the Jewish people. It's time everyone centers and thinks about what they say...because what you say can be a weapon too.... 18 Nov 2003 @ 10:03 by jstarrs : Then... {http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm} 18 Nov 2003 @ 10:32 by vibrani : So much ignorance and hatred regarding Israel that I've removed my logs and person from NCN in the past because of it. Yet, maybe I'm too idealistic, I hold out the hope that I can get the truth through to some of these bigots. Look at this, Bushman says that people can live just about anywhere. Bushamn JEWS CAN'T! That's one of the reasons for Israel's existence. This year in France alone, there were over 400 anti-Jewish acts of violence and vandalism. The Jews can't march into Syria and live there as equal citizens. They can't live in Saudi Arabia if they wanted to. Arabs and people of ALL religions and races DO live in Israel, however. The Jews don't have a problem accepting all people! I guess a bunch of you would cheer at this news - destroy the evidence and then you can claim the Holocaust never happened, or was all another Zionest plot and lie and rewrite history: TERRE HAUTE, Ind. A fire destroyed a museum founded by a Holocaust survivor early Tuesday and arson is suspected, a museum official said. The fire was reported at the CANDLES Museum (search) just after midnight and gutted the building, a former printing plant south of the city's downtown. "The police said there was a brick that had broken the main glass door, and they threw something in there that was an accelerant," said Mary Wright, the museum's education director. "Even the display cases were practically burned down to the ground." Someone also wrote "Remember Timmy McVeigh" on a wall. Timothy McVeigh (search), the Oklahoma City bomber, was executed at a federal prison outside Terre Haute in 2001. Terre Haute police referred calls to the Fire Department, which did not return messages. Doug Garrison, a spokesman for the FBI in Indianapolis, said his agency is not involved in the fire investigation, but could be asked to assist. CANDLES stands for Children of Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Experiments Survivors. The museum was founded in 1995 by Holocaust survivor Eva Kor. It houses artifacts from Auschwitz (search) and documents relating to Dr. Josef Mengele (search). Kor and an identical twin sister, Miriam Mozes Zeiger, were subjected to Mengele's genetic experiments at the Auschwitz concentration camp. Her sister died of cancer in 1993. Kor did not return phone messages left Tuesday at her home and office. Wright said the museum had never received any threats. "People think this doesn't happen in nice little places like Terre Haute, Indiana," she said. ************************* Oh yes it DOES! 18 Nov 2003 @ 11:15 by bushman : And, Just to set the record straight, I'v never done Peyote yet, I have tryed L25 (acid) 2 times first time 1 hit 2nd time 10 hits 3 years later, neither time it worked on me. I dont drink but do smoke cigs and pot if someone gives it to me. I do shrooms at religiouse gatherings where they are doing that, but alass shrooms don't take me on any so called trips. So for the most part I'm allready there, this is the real trip so no drug induced trips would show me anything I don't already know anyway. I do however agree that isrial would get pushed into the sea if something isn't done. At the same time, I also believe that Isrial brings it on to themselves by whinning about how everyone is after them, then playing that victum roll. Please tell me how Isrial is not involved in creating it's own demise. 18 Nov 2003 @ 11:43 by vibrani : I throw my arms up into the air, and let them fall down to my sides, shake my head at how ridiculous and biased you are, Bushman. 18 Nov 2003 @ 13:24 by Bruce Kodish @24.205.69.22 : Labels He who uses no labels (words), does not speak. 18 Nov 2003 @ 13:38 by waalstraat : Hi Jeff--the Starr of Hit and Run Watch my next log it is in answer to you your most enlightning link--ha,ha,ha,hah,ha,ha,ha,hahha,ha,ha,hahha,ha,ha,hahha,ha,ha,hah, you are going to force me to display some cold logic....not humble I am afraid... And BUSHMAN I think you are much smarter than you pretend I am not fooled by your goofy act...I know you are a smarty pants, so I am sure if you did a little research you could find out that what ever Israel does the Arab Nations and the Palestinian have intended their demise, way before they occupied the gaza strip or the westbank as a result of another war after having been invaded by all their arab neighbors more than once . But you have a point...If Israel is involved in its own demise it is because we Jews Mean it...even us Buddhist Jews mean it. We will never be herded in box cars again like animals nor will we passively walk into the showers of death, and we will never allow ourselves to be made into soapbars and lampshades again like my Uncle the Landshade...black humor but real truth. If the thought of our demise is given up, there will be a just peace... 18 Nov 2003 @ 14:52 by bushman : Hmm, lol. Well my friend everything I tell of myself is the truth, 11th grade education, and am a genetic gardener the last of my kind in this world, see long before they (the Arabs) and the Nazis masacured the jews and whoever they didn't like at the time. They had all ready masacured my distant family in Armenia, I don't hold thier children resposable for it now. You don't see the last reamining Armenians whining and crying about it now either. There is no memorial for my people, nor is there anything for them to do about it now, the nation that Armenia was is scatered far and wide, do you see them over there trying to get thier lands back, do you see them creating divisions? The Palistinians are blood bothers and blood related, and even proven that they share the same genetic make up as any Isreli, so wheres the so called truth? It is fact that they did do a genetic analasis to see just how closly related the Isrelis and Plaistinians are and they found them mostly identical, but see still just by saying there is nothing geneticly special between the 2 brothers they where made to rip that info out of all the new medical journals just because the investigators said there was nothing special. If thats not hiding the truth, than what is?. Dosn't the bible describe this in revelations somewhere that it would be brother against brother in the time just before armageton? But Bruce, if you lable someone something you creat an "us and them" situation when in fact we are all the same, humans trying to survive each other and what nature throws at us, lable me what you want, if you think it helps you speak.:} Vib, I would if I had the power right now remove every Palistinian and Arab or muslim, all enemys of Isrial on the face of the earth, my bet is that it wouldn't solve it or make a peacful life for the Isrelis. In my biased oppinion. One brother was given the coat of many colors to signify material wealth, and the other brother was given the fat of the land which in my view must be the oil. The idea that god must of had at the time was probably that the one brother with the oil would trade for some material wealth from the other brother and visa-versa, so all the tribes would benefit from the limited resorces, but obviously thats not happening, probably because neither of the brothers still havent learned to share. Then we add the gentile 3rd parties that are involved today, and neither brother likes them. {http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,605798,00.html} {http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Jews+palestinians+genetically+related&spell=1} I also ran across this artical today, not that any of you respect the sorce, But sometimes pretty timly. {http://www.rense.com/general44/forog.htm} 18 Nov 2003 @ 16:34 by Sellitman @69.33.46.10 : Thanks friend—a gardener indeed you are Rabbi Baruqa of Huza often went to the marketplace at Lapet. One day, the prophet Elijah appeared to him there, and Rabbi Baruqa asked him, "Is there anyone among all these people who will have a share in the World to Come?" Elijah answered, "There is none." Later, two men came to the marketplace, and Elijah said to Rabbi Baruqa, "Those two will have a share in the World to Come!" Rabbi Baruqa asked the newcomers, "What is your occupation?" They replied, "We are clowns. When we see someone who is sad, we cheer him up. When we see two people quarreling, we try to make peace between them." Talmud, Ta'anit 22a 18 Nov 2003 @ 23:45 by waalstraat : Beautiful Sellitman...you put your finger on it...that is just what has been missing...and if I am guilty of ever not being clownishhhhhh enough, I hope I remember this parable. 19 Nov 2003 @ 12:31 by Sellitman @69.33.46.10 : The Yetzer Hatov and the Yetzer Hara While wars in the name of good and evil may be played out in the world around us, it is a battle that is ultimately fought within us. The dark side is in each and veryone one of us. Failing to realize that, is inviting the darkness to overpower us. Within us the Yetzer Hatov and Yetzer Hara are in constant conflict and while the Yetzer Hara may be the more powerful. In the end, WE must take our responsibility in determining which will prevail. We have all fought our battles with the "Dark Side": Both sides of the Force exist simultaneously, but not always in balance. Sometimes the light side has predominance; at other times, the dark side dominates. When the balance tips too far in either direction, conflict usually results. And in conflict, the dark side flourishes. Force-users of all light side traditions are warned from the very beginning of their training, in whatever terms they can comprehend, to beware the dark side. To give in to fear, to embrace anger, to relish aggression: These are the first steps on the dark path. The dark side dominates the destiny of any who follow it. It's easy to start down that path and exceedingly hard to step off it. Fear leads to the dark side of the Force. When a person gives into fear, he opens himself to anger. He directs anger at himself for being afraid and then unleashes it at the world around him as a way to mask his fear. The anger leads to hatred as the dark emotions grow more powerful and destructive. Hatred, full of hostility and animosity, sets the stage for suffering - the eventual destination of the dark path. Any Force-sensitive risks far more than suffering when delving into the dark side. More to the point, a Force-user who draws upon the dark side risks corruption and terrible loss in return for the shortcut to power that the dark path provides. http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/ct.sa.fear.html Faster and easier, the dark side is quick to give of itself, but asks a terrible price in return. No matter how well a Force-user is trained, no matter how steeped in the techniques of the light, the temptation to draw on the fast and easy power of the dark side always exists. And that is only the beginning of the danger. 19 Nov 2003 @ 14:04 by waalstraat : I have no bones to pick here but I would like to embellish it. First of all I think one level of meaning of the term centering is to be in the middle phenomenally of both the dark and light side and not attached to either; for change always occurs and the darks falls away into a light day and way, and vice verse. That is another definition of non-attached, that space devoid of dark or light in which you just know and understand what is happening and what to do. But in order to do that you have to break some very heavy habits which attaches you to either side. 28 Jan 2004 @ 20:41 by 4444444444444444444444444444444444444444 @64.12.96.233 : 3333333333333333333333333333333333333333 I'll pray for you,God gave it to isrial's desendents,the jewish people 17 Oct 2016 @ 05:45 by Seo Pakistan @182.186.166.30 : SEO This article is completely awesome for me and often the one activity is done of searching content for collecting wonderful knowledge. Other entries in Articles 12 Dec 2003 @ 19:36: Goodism 10 Oct 2003 @ 13:52: Can Democratic Socialism Work?
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