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Category: Articles 7 comments 21 Jan 2007 @ 09:38 by swanny : applesquote "do you feel logic is inherent in the human world, as something we "came up" with or are just inclined to use, or is it inherent in the world regardless of whether humans are there to use it?? " 2+2 = 4 Well thats wonderful. Now show me the number 2 in nature. Sure you can show me two apples. Congratulations, but that isn't the number 2. Neural Firings + Receptor Sites Recieving = brain state Neural Firing = Biochemical process Biochemical process = chemical bonding chemical bonding = atoms doing what atoms do Atoms = protons, neutrons, electrons Protons, neutrons, and especially electrons = well the shit just hits the fan here and you run into Quantum Weirdness. Some argue that at the most fundamental of levels, logic and mathematics no longer apply. Quantum weirdness takes over so logic/math does not actually reflect the universe. But of course, probabilities tend to cancel each other out on the macroscopic scale...leading to acceptable mathematical outcomes probably. Some argue we just don't really understand how logical quantum weirdness is. But if the most fundamental level lacks logic, can the higher levels truly possess logic? If "stuff" is fundmentally nothing but at higher levels something, is it something or nothing? To be or not to be...is that the question? Same question- if the universe is fundamentally illogical but at higher levels logical, is it logical or not? To be logical or to be weird...that is the question. unquote 21 Jan 2007 @ 09:58 by swanny : Image Image Link = http://www.codefun.com/Geometry_quantum.htm swanny 29 Jan 2007 @ 21:50 by swanny @142.59.116.199 : Dynamic Logic Ah so maybe that way out of logic or weird is "clocked logic" link = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clocked_logic 29 Jan 2007 @ 21:55 by swanny : dynamic logic 2 Maybe the way out of logic vs weird is "clocked or dynamic logic" links link 1 = http://cafe.noeticnetworks.org/cgi-bin/dcf/dcboard.pl?az=read_count&om=819&forum=Forum13 link 2 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clocked_logic hmmmm seems to then diverge into an asynchronous vs synchronous problem then simple = static order complex = dynamic order or motion chaos = dynamic disorder or motion thus synchronous = complex and asynchronous = chaos what about a system that is both though sometimes asychronous and sometimes sychronous hmmmmmm swanny 29 Jan 2007 @ 22:22 by swanny : The Mix Jan 29, 2007 Canada Evening Well offhand I would say in the real world its a combo of asychronous and sychronous realites trying to get along. Now whether there's some excelling configuration or pattern of these that works best for the majority would be a most difficult question or problem to ask or arrive at ie: 50/50 or 40/60 or 60/40 or 70/30 etc etc I suppose it would depend on what was what. at any given ???? well this is a little beyond me alfie 30 Jan 2007 @ 05:46 by swanny : The Classics Jan 30,2007 Canada well apparently "noetic logic" was or is the classical view of the situation. In modern terms it doesn't exist or is an "impossibility" or something. From the web... """""" Reason is instrumental reason. There is no such thing as a noetic rationality of man. """""" That is a rather bold assertion though. While there may not be a "consistent" prooveable or immediate "noetic rationality" it does appear and reoccur throughout time. There are examples afterall where the reason is not always evident at the time of an event but becomes apparent after the long passage of time. While some might claim thus and then it to be "instrumental reason" what was it at the time of doing or actuality but "noetic rationality" that finalized only after a long passage of time into instrumental reason. There are numerous instances afterall of people acting on "gut instinct" and not having a "logical reason" for their action which is only thus seen or emerges after and in long hindsight or study. I think the sticking point for the die hards is that noetic logic is somewhat less "controllable" than "instrumental reason" and hence thus less desireable as a component or useful component of activity and action. 30 Jan 2007 @ 06:02 by swanny : Control Issues And that is the crux thus I suspect... as in As soon as you can "CONTROL" it... It is not or not really "Noetic" or is it ? ???? !!!! Ed Other entries in Articles 23 Aug 2022 @ 09:55: Gravity battery ref 23 Aug 2022 @ 09:53: Gravity battery ???. 2 May 2022 @ 06:45: How to Get Quality Dofollow Backlinks 23 Nov 2021 @ 18:26: What is Linkbuilding 25 Jun 2021 @ 15:37: Longitude at sea? 24 Aug 2020 @ 12:42: Climate and ocean 24 Aug 2020 @ 12:37: Climate update Aug 2020 15 Mar 2020 @ 19:11: Hang in.. 29 Jul 2019 @ 16:12: Onward 28 Feb 2019 @ 14:41: Solar Neighborhood pic
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