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28 Oct 2009 @ 22:26, by Unknown

Oct 28 2009
wed
earth

Come to think of it why?
Why would normal people support a call for a new civ?
To many people have to much riding on the status quo
to risk it in favor of something new,
I mean really it is a little to late in the game for the authority types for us to start changing their rules, sure we can appeal to the young and poor,
but they don't have the power or authority and hence no real change would come,
Thus the question becomes what is in it for the status quo
to rebirth itself into something new?
What is the benefit to their investments property and money and such?
Asides from ideology then what is the practical side of a new civ?
Yes we can appeal for sustainability, reason, environmental concerns
freedom and peace etc and such but practically
where will the jobs be and what will the value of a house still be
and what about the stock market investments and where will the food necessary come from and who or what will serve as a currency or bank where their current assests
are given at least some credit for and who will represent the power structure and what would be the governance model? a democracy a republic a biocracy.
I think these are practical questions and questions that we haven't really addressed
or paid much mind too. Typically in the past the way to semi wipe the slate clean
is through "Demonetization" of the currencies. People are given a percentage of the value of their dollars and property based on well whatever. This is supported by the Government and Army in power and everything happens. It is sort of like the backruptcy process of nations. Who knows maybe thats whats going on behind closed doors but
hmmm just some practical I hope thoughts perhaps

swanny


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28 Oct 2009 @ 22:36 by swanny @70.65.16.119 : History
Well not sure it will help but is history a factor,
they say to know where youre going you have to know where youve been,
This is just a site on the history aspect that I've worked on for the last
20 odd years. I began to see a pattern in the development of what I called estates
there thus are 12 basic estates in this site I called the "Green Covenant"
It could serve as a foundation for something but it strikes me thus as serving for something that is not radically different from what we know have but more transparent perhaps
anyway heres the link [link]

it scrolls up and down and left to right and the web cam links are out of date

swanny  



29 Oct 2009 @ 01:21 by swanny @70.65.16.119 : New Civ Viabilitiy
But thus too it is not just a question of "how do we finance a new civ?" and "putting it on a solid historical footing" but how do we make it politically, governmentaly, socially and environmentally viable. I suppose we could ask for assistance and cooperation from the various estates as found in the green covenant but then again what is in it for them? Mere Survival perhaps in the face of total global collapse but we don't know that and to approach from a negative is never good strategy. People tend to respond better to encouragement constructiveness and fun than they do to threats and punishment.  


29 Oct 2009 @ 11:09 by swanny @70.65.16.119 : Plan 1850
Hmmm no input well anyway
if we have reached a dead end of sorts or a stale mate as it were we thus have to?
Backtrack yes and this was the thinking behind Plan 1850 is that we return to an earlier time in civilization and then proceed from there on perhaps a different precept or course perhaps but armed with the current hindsights. It might or might not work but has a greater probability of success then trying to work with a deadend or stale mate so again I present to us

PLAN 1850 with minor modifications

PLAN 1850
EARTH
2007
MARCH


Plan 1850

Synopsis

earth

Well after some study of the situation, the following plan and stradegy may help in the

present Earthen circumstances. Data seems to suggest that the tipping point of the current

global dilemna may have occurred in and or around 1850 AD.. It was after this point that the

current cycle of events intensified.

This suggests that that time period around 1850 may serve as a sustainable "mean" or "norm"

for which to aspire to. Therefore data and lifestyle, standards and quaility of that time

can or does represent a sustainable condition for humanity, mammality and the planet as a

whole. Using that year as a norm and target thus produces these results.

TARGETS SUMMARY

Target Year: 1850

Target Global Population: 2 - 3 Billion

Target Markets: Green, Ethical, and Sustainable

Target Econonmy: Some type of Gold Standard based, fair enterprise with profit and credit capping.

Target Diet: Low Gulten, Low Salt, Low Fat, trans fat and cholestrol, Low sugar, whole grains, low red meats, Fruits and vegetables and some organic methods and limited genetic modification

Target Occupations: Health, Space, Science, Earth Sciences, Arts, Humanities, Environment, Research, Farming, Argosphere, Trades

Target Time: Current Standard Time System and calendar with daylight savings for energy savings.

Target Exploration: Moon Base Development, New Space Telescope, Mars Robot Missions

Target Design Standard: Phi standard and whole systems design

Target Communication Network: Point to Point Internet, mail, phone and satellite

Target Transportation: Public Transit, Bus, Train, Ship, limited car, air and space travel.

Target Authority: Rule of Law, World Court, Democracy, Multi party systems, Reformed UN Proportional Representation

Target Enforcement: Green Police and Army, Global Disaster Response Reserves, Nuke Reduction

Target Architecture: Organic and Green Architecture and engineering,

Target Relations: Dept of Peace/Harmony Establishment

Target Cultures: Mulitculturalism and or Multiglobalism

Target Green House Gases: 1850 Levels CO2 = 290 ppm ?

Target Energy Production: Hydro, Solar, Wind, Ocean, Bio fuels, Methane digesters, limited and emergency oil,gas and nuke standby units.

Target Methods: Reduce, Recycle, Reuse

Target Religions: Multi-Faith

Target Media: Responsible and Grassroots Media

Prognosis

These targets if adopted with reference to world state in and around 1850 should be able to

produce a sustainable new civilization for the planet. (working draft 1)

Discussion

Okay so we have a plan... so?
True plans are not enough unless they are turned into actions
So we need to convert the blueprint plan into an action plan
and the proceed to act on it.
Does anyone have any ideas on this....
How to we go from plan to actions
and then to results that can be measured and adjusted accordingly.
The problem is not living in a greenhouse. The problem is opitimizing
and managing the greenhouse to the best comprimise for all.
If we have come to live in a global greenhouse then that is our fate
but let us make the best of it.
So we perhaps need funding and a budget and some time lines
and some measuring tools or software program.
We can begin to see now that global warming is effecting the crops
so we must thus determine the "new" proper places for the best yield and quality
of the various crops. Californias crop was wiped out by cold, and the midwest is
beset with drought... yet some places may have had bumper yields.
As I stated long ago the effects of the tsunami would change the water patterns
due to the shift in the tectonic plates. Give this we have to "plot" the new norms
which are still in the process of stabilizing. This may take decades folks so rise
and shine the new day is upon us.

Author

A. Jonas
Canada
2007  



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