|Orgasmic Vancouver: Critique of Debate|
9 comments14 Jun 2004 @ 02:21 by ov : Update explanation
Not sure why the date doesn't update to reflect the published date. I started this two weeks ago, and even had half the article written when my computer crashed and lost it all except for the excerpted part. So the complete article is still to follow, and it includes not only a description of half a dozen related issues but also a process for stepping outside of Western Literacy, using models from business communications and child care psychology. This also includes looking at root causes from two levels removed to address issues of modern politics and conflict, and in this sense is the start of a very optimistic inquiry even though it may at first look negative.
14 Jun 2004 @ 04:58 by ashanti : Interesting!
All those impulses are ego-based. I look forward to your further update, it looks very useful. It is hard at times not to fall into ego-traps when posting/commenting to Blogs, so this could be a very useful tool in self-evaluation.
14 Jun 2004 @ 05:21 by swanny : Premise
Perhaps there is a premise in Western
culture of "The Competition" vs
The perhaps more "Cooperativeness"
of say Indian or Japanese cultures...
Ego is less of an issue in Japanese culture
more so perhaps in Indian.....
although I suppose from this "distance" the
grass is always greener ......
I suppose the interesting thing is that
such things occur in cycles....
It is interesting to reflect on the flow
of such things but I think what I hear you
saying is that a debate philosphopy or
ideology is counterproductive to the society
as a whloe as opposed
to say the "constructive" nature of dialogue.
14 Jun 2004 @ 10:38 by jmarc : "I" think
that ego brings some positives to the table in debates. Maybe more diverse ways of looking at a problem, for one..
14 Jun 2004 @ 11:38 by ov : Intent
Thanks for the comments. I'm thinking of building this up in layers so if I don't respond directly here I will at some point but I am taking all this into consideration. I'm going to give this a project rather than article list to maybe help keep it together.
One of the subtopics which I plan to write in the projects file is about intent. I've seen this subject of intent popping up in my life all over, the attraction of syncronicity principle at work. Also could be because I've noticed that this is a fundamental principle of the World Mind Society. So I've been thinking that the points raised by Al-Ghazli are all about intent. Further on intent is the hypothesis that the dysfunctional core of our enlightened rationality, the Voltaire's Bastards problem outlined by John Raulston Saul, is the exclusion of intent; objectivity, empericism, no ad-hominums etc are part of that defense mechanism.
Which in turn raises the very interesting question of why has there never been a PhD on the defense mechanisms of the academy?
But Ego definitely does play a part in this.
14 Jun 2004 @ 12:37 by vaxen : That ego...
which can be construed as ego really is not ego. Remember the Xristos when he is made to say: "Ego Eimi Kai Alpha Kai To Omega." The concept 'ego' in the early Greek language, as well as today, is not the same as the transliterated bugaboo of the so called 'western' phileo grunts. No more crashes please! We await the rest ov...thanks.
14 Jun 2004 @ 23:06 by mre : collective nouns
Here's a new one: an admonition of clerics! (;-)
> So the complete article is still to follow, and it includes not only
> a description of half a dozen related issues but also a process for stepping
> outside of Western Literacy, using models from business communications and
> child care psychology. This also includes looking at root causes from two
> levels removed to address issues of modern politics and conflict, and in this
> sense is the start of a very optimistic inquiry even though it may at first
> look negative.
that's very rich!
15 Jun 2004 @ 01:16 by ov : Thanks For Comments
Thank you all for the comments. Yes, it is a very big project and highly abstract, but it gives a direction with which to start and a means of hopefully staying out of the wheel spinning potholes along the way by providing a common big picture view. It might take awhile to just put together the thesis proposal; I don't even know what that involves but there are few PhDs that have gone through the ordeal and should be able to give some advice. Then doing the research is an even bigger step and will take longer yet. Writing it all up could take even longer. And finally we get to the open letter defense which is where most debates start without the benifit of all this foundation prep work. However it seems that business people have less trouble examining their business structure than academics do examining the ideology of western thought; and we all have no problem with treating corporations as citizens with rights; and we don't seem to have much trouble pontificating on what is happening with some poor kid's screwed up brain. So it isn't really that much of a stretch to think of our western culture as a dysfunctional adolescent.
I have a bit of hope for this. I've spent some time 'pulsing' it through the brain to see if it is internally cohesive and I think it does integrate. If it doesn't then this will be revealed in the defense and then we take what we learned and 'pulse' it through again. It is going to take a lot more than a barrage of cheap shots to bring this down by the time I'm finished with it. But it isn't just me, it is all the people that I interact with in the process that gives that serendipitious edge. Since I'm not actually going for the university degree it isn't really cheating if I get a little help along the way, and I suspect when this starts to take form there will be plenty of sparring partners.
Whatever, it's better than having the brain alpha massaged by the tv.
13 Jul 2004 @ 01:18 by ov : Critique of Debate
This was the project overview that was in the sidebar and transferred to here for future reference.
The current project being assembled is a proposal for a thesis that the core dysfunction of western rationality is the exclusion of intent, and the denial of the very concept itself. Establishing this foundation and then preceding to a method of analysis using learning organization models from business communication, and recent development in child care psychology will then be applied to issues of multi-cultural conflict. Though I don't expect any university would ever grant a PhD on this subject I feel the need to write a thesis that would be worthy, and so intend to write an open letter to be defended against all comers. The first step is the brief outline and to establish what would be required to meet academic muster.
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