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24 Nov 2008 @ 19:03 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : Slow death of Gaza (November 2008) 25 Nov 2008 @ 18:20 by martha : Egypt I notice in the above article no mention of Egypt.Did you know that Egypt has also closed it's borders to Gaza, their muslim brothers? To me tha above article is a wonderful example of The Gurardian only speaking half truths and dumping on Israel. They are twisting the truth and not even attempting to address all the rockets that have been going into to Israel from Gaza. The people of Gaza need to say enough to Hamas and their violence and unite to free them themselves of hate and old style thinking. The Guradian is also a wonderful example of Old style thinking. 25 Nov 2008 @ 19:31 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : Then if not the Guardian how 'bout McClatchy? Or the BBC? Or the Times? Or the AP? And other news organizations protesting the closure? [link] Israel's new bid to undercut Hamas pushes Gaza toward crisis By DION NISSENBAUM [link] McClatchy Newspapers Israel has pushed the Gaza Strip to the brink of a humanitarian crisis by cutting off the supply of most aid, choking off the flow of fuel for Gaza's only power plant and restricting the transfer of most supplies. Beyond that, Israel is barring most diplomats, aid workers and international journalists from going into Gaza - an unprecedented and sweeping ban that's entering its third week. "It's very precarious," John Ging, director of the United Nations refugee program in Gaza, said Friday. "It's really a matter of brinksmanship and we're in a perpetual state of collapse." The new crackdown comes as Israeli leaders are increasingly acknowledging what critics have long argued: That they need to develop different strategies to try and change the political realities in Gaza. "Everybody involved in this is advocating very strongly for a change in approach of punitive sanctions through closure of the crossings," Ging said. "It's devastating from a human perspective, but also for the prospects for security, prosperity and peace." When Hamas seized military control of the Gaza Strip last year, some Israeli strategists began pushing the idea of sealing the borders and washing their hands of all responsibility for the 1.5 million Palestinians living in enveloping isolation. Israeli leaders quickly shelved the idea amid general recognition that it was unrealistic and might backfire. However, Israel is now effectively testing out the concept in an unprecedented new attempt to undermine Hamas hardliners who've solidified their hold and increased their influence since routing Palestinian Authority forces in a decisive military showdown 17 months ago. If anything, critics say, efforts by the U.S. and Israel to isolate Hamas in the past two years have backfired. Both nations helped the Palestinian Authority hold democratic elections in 2006 that propelled Hamas into political control for the first time. Israeli and American attempts to marginalize the Hamas-led government unless it explicitly renounced its stated goal of destroying Israel never led to a change by the group's policy. And U.S.-backed efforts to train and equip Palestinian Authority fighters loyal to moderate President Mahmoud Abbas backfired when Hamas routed the unprepared forces last year in Gaza. The Hamas takeover led to angry calls from some Israeli leaders for their country to sever all links to Gaza, close the borders and stop supplying electricity. At the time, the idea was dismissed as impractical. Before long, Israel negotiated, via Egypt, a six-month cease-fire with Hamas that, until this month, had brought relative calm to Gaza and southern Israel. As most of the world was focused on America's historic election on Nov. 4, Israeli ground forces broke the cease-fire by entering Gaza to destroy a tunnel the military said was set to be used in a kidnapping operation inside Israel. The Israeli operation triggered new rounds of rocket fire from Gaza militants, Israeli airstrikes and ongoing closure of the border crossings. Inside Gaza, power is being rationed and blackouts envelop some neighborhoods for 16 hours a day. Restaurants and bakeries have shut down because they have neither fuel nor food. Families are paying black market prices to get increasingly scarce cooking fuel. And the U.N. had to temporarily halt food deliveries to 750,000 Palestinians. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has called the Israeli policy "unacceptable" and urged Israel to reopen the borders. Israeli leaders say they will make sure enough food and fuel get into Gaza to avoid a full-scale humanitarian crisis. And they repeatedly state that the current crisis can come to an end - just as soon as Gaza militants stop firing rockets into southern Israel. "We're in a new situation," said Mark Regev, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. "You cannot have normal functioning of the crossings as long as they continue to fire rockets at us." Human rights groups tried unsuccessfully earlier this year to challenge previous government shutdowns of the Gaza borders. At the time, Israel's Supreme Court said the steps were a justified response to persistent rocket attacks by Gaza militants. While the court rejected arguments that Israel's border closings amounted to collective punishment, U.N. officials contend that the tactic is empowering extremists who argue that talks with Israel have produced nothing good for Gaza. "It creates more misery and frustration that feeds into the extremists who say there is no other way but violence," said the U.N.'s Ging. The Foreign Press Association, of which McClatchy Newspapers is a member, is preparing a legal challenge of Israel's two-week-old ban on reporters entering Gaza. The association, which represents most major international media outlets working in Israel, said it would file suit in the Supreme Court on Sunday if Israel does not open the border so journalists can go to Gaza. (McClatchy Newspapers special correspondent Ahmed Abu Hamdan contributed to this report from Gaza City.) 25 Nov 2008 @ 19:37 by quinty : May as well throw in Human Rights watch too. [link] 25 Nov 2008 @ 20:39 by martha : And i ask again Where is the protest against Egypt? You have only shown more selective reporting. Not the truth about Egypt in all this mess. 25 Nov 2008 @ 20:41 by martha : And as far as Human rights How about the good old US of A and Bush's support of torture! hahahaha Careful where you point! 25 Nov 2008 @ 21:27 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : You want Egypt here's Egypt [link] Not that Egypt's behavior gets Israel off the hook. And as an added bonus, here's Human Rights Watch on Hamas and the rocket attacks..... [link] And are you telling me Human Rights Watch hasn't taken notice of the US use of torture? That's hard to believe but I'll take your word for it. (Or are you telling me that they have? At least I hope they have.) Whatever, none of that absolves Israel. Not even if we throw in the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre. 25 Nov 2008 @ 23:08 by martha : You are missing the point quinty Yes israel and Egypt and Hammas need to deal with these abuses. My POINT is though that often the reporting is only part of a larger picture. When all these news organizations say the border to Gaza is closed by israel they are not telling the whole truth. THAT is my point. If human rights watch hasn't talked about the US torture then they are not doing their watching very well. I assume they have talked about Bush. BUT getting back to israel I am saying the international press is very quick to jump on Israel for violations but leaves out the larger picture of Egypt and hammas and all the muslim nations (like Syria) that support Hammas, give them money and probably supply them rockets. Israel is one very small nation in a sea of Muslim countries. And many of those nations don't recognize Israel as a country including Hammas who is in control of Gaza. Again I go back to the article by the guardian and how slanted it is and might I say even leaning towards propaganda. And i doubt quinty that you support propaganda. 25 Nov 2008 @ 23:45 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : Poor little Israel: oppressed by the Arab world. Surrounded by enemies. Fighting for its life. If the US ever leaves the Middle East (and let's hope it's soon) then Israel will be the dominant power. What with its 200 nuclear bombs (according to Jimmy Carter it’s 150) and enormous military and the billions it receives annually in weapons and aid from the United States. Though of course we all know the Palestinians are a major power, economically, militarily, in every way. A true threat and danger to Israel. Sure, you bet. Israel has one of the most powerful militaries in the world. I agree with you on one thing. If the Palestinians had chosen the way of Ghandi and Martin Luther King they would probably have their state by now. The world simply would not have put up with the barbarities Israel has committed decade after decade against them. (Actually, the agreement is only in regard with revulsion with the random terrorist attacks.) Does Human Rights Watch support propaganda? Does the BBC or Jewish Voice for Peace or the Independent or McClatchy or other peace and news organizations? Are they liars? anti-Semites? The simple truth is that Israel is committing an ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians. That the Jewish settlement movement is dominated by religious fanatics who believe the land they are stealing from Palestinians was given to them by God. That the current government of Israel is dominated by the far right: Olmert, Netanyahu, etc. And that through these long standing policies (there have been exceptions) Israel is committing major human rights abuses. But what’s new about any of that? It has been going on (excepting a few brief breathing spells: Rabin, Peres, some others) for decades. 26 Nov 2008 @ 00:15 by medicinedreamer : Martha You can't talk truth with somebody who wants to believe the lies, year after year. Quinty doesn't have his facts right at all. He doesn't know much about Israel and is quick to blame Israel for its existence and being constantly attacked. Every day, Quinty, every day bombs are thrown on Israel from the Muslim Arabs. But you don't see that as a human rights abuse? The PLO Charter which, for over 40 years, has decided that now it claims Israel as it's land and will toss all Jews and Israelis into the sea and take it over. This is what they (the Muslims, not Christians) live by - but that's not an abuse, or genocide? Who are you, Quinty?! Bus bombs, suicide murderers, all justifiable in your mind, and where does it come from, this bias you have? This insistence upon altered history, altered facts, dissinformation? In this way you might as well join Vax in saying the Holocaust never happened. How are you any different? I mean, really. 26 Nov 2008 @ 00:25 by vaxen : Truth... Quinty, not every Israeli believes in apartheid... I first went to prison on September 23 of this year and served 35 days. By the time you read this, I will be back inside for another 21. This is going to be my life for the next two years: in for three weeks, out for one. I am 19 years old now and by the time the authorities give up hounding me, I will be 21. The reason? I refused to do my military service for the Israeli army. I grew up with the army. My father was deputy head of Mossad and I saw my sister, who is eight years older than me, do her military service. As a young girl, I wanted to be a soldier. The military was such a part of my life that I never even questioned it. Earlier this year, I went to a peace demonstration in Palestine. I had always been told that the Israeli army was there to defend me, but during that demonstration Israeli soldiers opened fire on me and my friends with rubber bullets and tear-gas grenades. I was shocked and scared. I saw the truth. I saw the reality. I saw for the first time that the most dangerous thing in Palestine is the Israeli soldiers, the very people who are supposed to be on my side. When I came back to Israel, I knew I had changed. I told my dad what had happened. He was angry that I had been over to the occupied territories and told me I had endangered my life. I have always discussed history and politics with my father but on this subject -- my rejection of the military and my conscientious objecting -- we can't speak. My parents divorced when I was three and my father has a new family. My mother is an artist and she is very supportive of me. But my father has been horrified by my decision. I think he thought that I was going through a stage that I would grow out of. But it hasn't happened. In prison, I wake up at five and clean all day, inside and out. It's a military prison so we are made to do ridiculous stuff. They painted a white stripe across the floor, and I have to keep the stripe glowing white and clean. I have to wear a US army uniform. The uniforms were given as a present to the Israeli army by the US Marines. I feel stupid. I am anti-military. I am against the whole idea of wearing the uniform. The other prisoners are women from the army. They are in for silly things such as playing with their guns, smoking dope, running away from the army. None of them is really a criminal. And then there are five girls like me who are conscientious objectors. We talk to the other girls, tell them things they have never heard about before. Like that everyone is a human, no matter what religion they are. Some of them are really ignorant. They have never heard of evolution theory, or Gandhi or Mandela, or the Armenian holocaust. I try to tell them that there have been a lot of genocides. Of course I get scared when I am in prison. Three times a week, I have to help guard the prison at night. But also, it's frightening that my country is the way that it is, locking up young people who are against violence and war. And I worry that what I am doing may damage my future. The worst part is that I have a taste of freedom and then I am back inside, back to my mundane prison life. It's hard to go from being a free girl who can decide things for herself -- what to wear, who to see, what to eat -- and then go back to having every minute of the day timetabled. Last time I was out of prison, I went to see my dad. We tried not to talk politics. He cares about me as his daughter, that I am suffering, but he doesn't want to hear my views. He hasn't come to visit me in prison. I think it would be too hard for him to see me in there. He is an army man. I suppose, actually, we have similar characters. We both fight for what we believe in. It's just that our views are diametrically opposed. --- Omer Goldman This article was published in the Financial Times, November 22, 2008. [link] Also another interview here: [link],features,conscience-of-the-israeli-spymasters-daughter-
Picture of Omer Goldman Thanks for the article quinty. I've been in Jenin many times prior, though, to the current holocaust. Even then I had to go in covertly as an Arab. Used to be a lovely place. 26 Nov 2008 @ 00:25 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : Rusyn read the above. I already answered your objections. 26 Nov 2008 @ 00:26 by martha : oops It has been going on for thousands of years quinty, not decades. And the only reason israel has such a large military is because if they didn't they would have been swallowed up by the Muslim countries...hahaha...long ago. And you have shown your true feelings about Israel quinty."The simple truth is that Israel is committing an ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians. That the Jewish settlement movement is dominated by religious fanatics who believe the land they are stealing from Palestinians was given to them by God." Have you been to israel? Do you know people that live in israel or were born and raised in Israel? If you did then you would not making these statements. Of course there are fanatics. There are fanatics everywhere in the world. Just because there are some fanatics in israel, it does not mean that all Israelies are fanatics. Do you know Palastinians that work in israel? You are making sweeping generalizations about israel which simply are not true. And yes the BBC does tell half truths much of the time. So does the New York Times! Why has Egypt closed it's border to Gaza? And i agree we need to get the hell out of Iraq. But what about Afganistan? If we leave the taliban takes over again and women become slaves once again. The problem is religion quinty, not being jewish or muslim. It is the thought that one religion is better tnen another. At least in israel there have been female leaders. Can you see a woman leader in ANY of the Muslim countries or the United States? So what if Israel is protecting their rights. The muslim countries certainly are not interested in women's rights. It all gets back to power over. From your writing on this subject and supporting "news" reports that prompte propaganda you are only adding to the problem, not finding the solution. OK enough on all this...hahaha. We are not going to solve all these issues. BUT at leasst one can be more careful as to what links, quoted articles and speeches posted to be able to see through the words at to the truth of the matter. The biggest issue I have here at NCN is all the links people leave but they really aren't talking about the BIG picture. Most people don't want to think it through but would rather just quote others. Cheers, and have a great evening. I'm done for now PS- I practice no religion, attend no church and honor love above anything else in this world. I love humanity but am not afraid to speak out when i see fear, hate and power over being promoted. 26 Nov 2008 @ 00:54 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : It appears that the problem with the links is that they don't offer the news and slant you would like to see. True, I have never been to israel. That does not however eliminate all the Jewish writers in Israel, the United States, Europe, and elsewhere who have closely reported on what is going on there. Simply because I am not a citizen of israel does not mean I can not come to any conclusions about Israel's leaders, the same as I do about Britain (Brown follows too closely in Blair’s footsteps), France (I don’t think Sarkozi is quite as bad as was predicted), Italy (Berlusconi is corrupt), Spain (Zapatero is a decent leader) and elsewhere. So you are pro Israel? Fine. So am I, but if you do not like the reportage of a variety sources because they do not conform with your ultra pro Israel attitudes that does not mean CNN, the BBC, the AP, the Guardian and Independent, McClatchy, as well as many Jewish peace groups and activists are by definition propagandists for Arab terrorists. Israel has many crimes to answer for and if there are those who are sensitive about pointing this out perhaps they should complain to the source, which is the Likud and the israeli settlement movement. Anyway, like you, I've had enough for one night. And it’s getting late. Enjoy your evening....... 26 Nov 2008 @ 00:55 by medicinedreamer : Quinty the Arabs (Muslim, Christian, Baha'i, Druze) who live in Israel are citizens and are represented in the Israeli government. Can the same be said for Jews in each Arab country? Arab nations (aside from Egypt, and then they often try to murder them while visiting there) won't even allow a Jew into their country as a visitor! Yeah, Martha, I join you. Couldn't allow this to go without some comment from me and I'm done with it, too. Quinty, you aren't pro-Israel in any shape or form. You can't even be objective about Israel - so how can you be pro Israel? You support terrorism. Martha, a woman (Bhutto) was the head of Pakistan, until she murdered, of course. 26 Nov 2008 @ 01:23 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : Well, I'm not going to dignify that with an answer. (As the old saying goes. Though it appears I have.)Good night all..... 26 Nov 2008 @ 01:32 by medicinedreamer : Because you don't know or have one You don't know the subject matter, so how can you - your answer can't be dignified, nor honest. You support terrorism against Israel and the Jews, yet you pretend to be a peacenik. Find out who you really are, Quinty. You might surprise yourself. 26 Nov 2008 @ 01:56 by medicinedreamer : Israel has given EVERYTHING for peace, the Arabs have given nothing. And yet Israel keeps pushing ahead for peace. Of course, some people (like Quinty) refuse to acknowledge anything positive about Israel while pretending they are unbiased. Here's some news about peace today: It will soon be possible to reach a peace agreement with the Palestinians, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Tuesday, the morning after a farewell visit with US President George W. Bush and other administration officials who conceded a deal was not likely to materialize in the short term. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert talks with US President George W. Bush in the White House, Monday. Photo: AP Slideshow: Pictures of the week "In principle there is nothing to prevent us from reaching an agreement on the core issues in the near future," Olmert said during a briefing with Israeli reporters. "I believe it is possible. I believe it is timely. A declaration is needed. I am ready to make it. I hope the other side is." He also stressed the US had not tied Israel's hands when it came to military operations in the waning days of the Bush administration, despite media reports to the contrary. "I don't remember that anyone in the administration, including the last couple of days, advised me or any of my official representatives not to take any action which we will deem necessary for the fundamental security of Israel, and that includes Iran," he said, in response to a question from The Jerusalem Post. He pointed to conversations with Bush and his deputies who are "so open, so candid, so personal, that they can say to me anything they feel, and they do... This was not one of the things they said." Speaking generally about his meetings with Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and others, Olmert also said, "There is a deep, basic understanding between us about the Iranian threat and the need to act in order to remove that threat." There has been speculation that if Israel were going to attack Iran's nuclear sites it would do so before President-elect Barack Obama takes office on January 20. Time magazine also reported that the US had told Israel to refrain from a major invasion of Gaza, despite renewed rocket fire from the Strip, so as not to disrupt peace talks. But when it came to the Palestinians, during the briefing and in remarks before his meeting with Bush, Olmert focused on the possibility of reaching an agreement rather than on the renewed violence. The prime minister said there wouldn't be any written declaration of principles or other document spelling out the intermediate steps taken and agreements reached to date to prepare for a new American administration, because he was looking for a comprehensive peace deal. "You don't need months to make a decision," he said, noting the two years of intensive meetings with the Palestinians that he's overseen. Ahead of their meeting and private dinner Monday night, Bush also focused on the peace process. "We strongly believe that Israel will benefit by having a Palestinian state, a democracy on her border that works for peace," the president said, sitting beside Olmert in the Oval Office. "That vision is alive because of you." The two leaders exchanged expressions of friendship and appreciation, with Olmert praising Bush for removing the threat of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from Israel's eastern front. But Rice acknowledged earlier this month that the goal of a peace deal by the end of 2008, set at the Annapolis conference officially launching negotiations last year, was unachievable. Still, the subject was a major focus of Olmert's discussions with the secretary of state. "There are a number of issues that Prime Minister Olmert and the secretary discussed, obviously the Annapolis process being the key element," said Deputy State Department spokesman Robert Wood after their meeting Tuesday. It was a follow-up to talks Olmert held with Rice and National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley a day earlier. Olmert also said the economic crisis was a key point of discussion, though he didn't expect it to affect the $30 billion in military aid Israel is slated to receive from the US over the next decade. "We have an agreement with the United States for 10 years and no one has any doubts that it will be fulfilled," Olmert said. "America is wealthy, powerful and has integrity. No one has hinted this is up for discussion." He said the meetings also didn't touch on talk that the US might open a low-level interests section in Teheran to reenergize diplomatic efforts to limit its nuclear program. "This government has no interest in relations with Iran," Olmert said. Though Obama has indicated he favors engagement with the Islamic republic, Olmert said Israel would wait to see what he proposed before reacting. He said Obama shared the position that a nuclear-armed Iran was unacceptable. Olmert didn't speak with Obama while in the US, noting that Obama has pointed out that there's only one president at a time and that meeting with foreign leaders wouldn't be appropriate at this point. But the prime minister did speak to Obama by phone soon after his victory to congratulate him, reporting that "there's a comprehensive and orderly transition [being prepared], and this includes on issues related to Israel." Obama has called for more intense efforts to promote the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and pledged not to wait until late in his term, as Bush did, to step up engagement on the issue. In his conversation with reporters, Olmert also made the case for a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "The dispute is not between continuing the status quo or a two-state solution," he warned. "The dispute is between a two-state solution and the emergence of a new narrative - of one state." 26 Nov 2008 @ 15:11 by quinty : More on the Gaza crisis Another day. Bright, shiny, and beautiful. Has the air cleared? I doubt it. Scanning yesterday’s entries it becomes clear that what started out as a news item describing a humanitarian crisis in Gaza quickly degenerated, with numerous distortions, into an either/or, you’re with us or against us, diatribe with some name calling. What I didn’t see at all was even the slightest concern or expression of sympathy for the suffering Palestinians in Gaza undergoing this crisis. I think we can all agree that insults and name calling are merely the recourse of limited mentalities. Slash, burn, kill: this opens the way for them to impose their opinions by blurring the focus. To avoid this chaos and hopefully to end these insults anyone engaging in slights of a personal nature will be subject henceforth to the DREAD 86. You have been warned. Now, for more news on the crisis in Gaza, this is from the AP...... Published on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 by Associated Press Foreign Press in Israel Fight Gaza Entry Ban by Steve Weizman [link] JERUSALEM - International journalists based in Israel appealed to the country's Supreme Court on Monday to overturn a government decision barring foreign correspondents from entering the Gaza Strip. The Foreign Press Association filed the court petition against the military's Gaza commander, Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit after the government failed to heed a letter signed by heads of the world's largest news organizations calling for the ban to be lifted. The court petition charged the media ban constitutes "a grave and mortal blow against freedom of the press and other basic rights and gives the unpleasant feeling that the state of Israel has something to hide." It requested an urgent hearing. The Tel Aviv-based Foreign Press Association represents foreign correspondents working in Israel and the Palestinian territories. Israel has long restricted movement across its border with Gaza, but it closed the area to all but essential supplies on Nov. 5 after an upsurge in Palestinian rocket fire. For the first time, that included a blanket ban on foreign reporters entering the territory. The government routinely prevents Israeli journalists from entering Gaza because of fears for their safety, but up to now foreign reporters had been permitted in, even during times of heavy fighting. Since the ban, coverage in Gaza has been largely left to local Palestinian staff and a handful of foreign journalists who entered before the ban took effect, including two Associated Press reporters. Israel's Defense Ministry says foreign journalists will be allowed in only once Gaza militants stop shooting. The letter protesting the ban, signed by The AP, Reuters, the New York Times, the BBC, CNN and other major news organizations, was sent last week to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. In responding to the letter, Defense Ministry spokesman Shlomo Dror said Israel was displeased with international media coverage, which he said inflated Palestinian suffering and did not make clear that Israel's measures were in response to Palestinian violence. © 2008 Associated Press 26 Nov 2008 @ 21:08 by medicinedreamer : Here's your mad, mad world, Quinty Islamic terrorists (those who learned how to be terrorists begun by Arafat) attacked hotels in Mumbai, India, today, killing at least 90 people and injuring over 300 - still going on right now as I type this. They targeted Westerners. Now tell me how humane they are, that they aren't carrying out genocide, that they are peaceful, someone pushed them to this, and we should pity them. Bullshit! Peace is a choice - it is ALWAYS a choice. These guys choose terrorism and murder, and you support them. How lovely for you, Quinty. (I'm not reading anymore of your crap about Gaza - didn't read the last one, either.) 26 Nov 2008 @ 21:47 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : Now please I do not support terrorism or these fanatics who went on a rampage today. That is totally absurd. The world is not black and white. You apparently hate Muslims and perhaps Arabs too. That is your problem. So far as I'm concerned hate and blind fanaticism have no place here. If you can not behave in a decent manner I wish you would simply go somewhere else. 26 Nov 2008 @ 21:59 by medicinedreamer : You are the one who has a problem I don't hate Arabs or Muslims - I hate terrorists. You support terrorism against Israel - there is no difference what the people did in India today to what the Arabs are doing to Israel EVERY DAY. It doesn't matter that Obama is going to be the president. It only matters that these radical Muslims want the entire world to run their way. You can't see it. You are blind. If you truly don't see the world as black and white, then why can't you say one positive thing about Israel and stop blaming its existence and defense? That's it for me, Quinty. When you stop being a hypocrite and a schizophrenic in your viewpoints, I will talk with you on this topic, but not until then. Toodles. 26 Nov 2008 @ 23:49 by Qinty @68.9.133.5 : Thank you Shewwwwwww...... Just out of curiosity - I know your gone, thank god - but what does Obama have to do with Muslims? Uh, you didn't let something slip, did you? I mean, did you buy all that “Hussein” stuff the far rightwing was handing out? Barack the secret Jihadist who secretly hopes to deflower all our good American women and turn the US into a socialist society? That kind of stuff? Speaking of religious crazies, Ellen and I spoke about the madness in Mumbai tonight over the dinner table. She has read up on the subject and knows quite a lot. And as if Obama didn't have enough troubles in the world she suggested the possibility the Hindu religious crazies may retaliate against the Muslims. Since the fanaticism there is primarily between Muslims and Hindus, though al Qaeda's operatives who attacked tonight were targeting Americans and Brits..... Ah, religious fanatics. Aren't they a gas? Look at all the happiness they bring to the world. Look at Gaza. 27 Nov 2008 @ 00:07 by medicinedreamer : Obama In answer only to your statement about Obama - there was a lot of thinking of people who voted for him that with him as president then our "enemies" wouldn't hate us anymore. How naive that is, and today proved it. That's all I meant. 27 Nov 2008 @ 02:30 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : So? Does anyone care? "You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!" 27 Nov 2008 @ 04:00 by vaxen : Gaza... Slow Motion Genocide The Red Cross said that "the (18 month) embargo has had a devastating effect for a large proportion of households who have had to make major changes on the composition of their food basket." They now rely 80% on cereals, sugar and oil. In addition, people are selling assets, cutting back on clothing and children's education, scavenging for discarded items, and doing virtually anything to survive. The report refers to economic disintegration and that prolonging the current situation risks permanently damaging households and their capacity to recover. The study was conducted from May to July 2008. Mark Regev, spokesman for Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert, had little response except to say that the people of Gaza were being "held hostage" to Hamas' "extremist and nihilist" ideology. In fact, Hamas wants peace, has repeatedly been conciliatory, and its founder, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, said earlier that armed struggle would cease "if the Zionists ended (their) occupation of Palestinian territories and stopped killing Palestinian women, children and innocent civilians." That offer is repeatedly rejected. More recently, Hamas offered to maintain peace and recognize Israel in return for a Palestinian state inside pre-1967 borders, its Occupied Territories. That, as well, is a non-starter for Israel. It conflicts with its West Bank plan to colonize the Territory and ethnically cleanse its rightful inhabitants in violation of international law. [link] 27 Nov 2008 @ 15:28 by quinty : Since she was beyond reach within the realm of simple reason, rusyn has been 86d from this site. And I deleted her last entry. Perhaps I should have let it stand, as an example. But I think my patience has been stretched far enough. Personal attacks, insults and the like have a limit. And rusyn is apparently incapable of behaving decently on this forum. Be well, rusyn, good luck, but for the love of god be gone! 28 Nov 2008 @ 18:02 by quinty : Desmond Tutu on Gaza Published on Thursday, November 27, 2008 by The Capital Times (Wisconsin) Media Silence Doesn't Mean All's Well in Gaza [link] by Amy Goodman As President-elect Barack Obama focuses on the meltdown of the U.S. economy, another fire is burning: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. You may not have heard much lately about the disaster in the Gaza Strip. That silence is intentional: The Israeli government has barred international journalists from entering the occupied territory. Last week, executives from the Associated Press, New York Times, Reuters, CNN, BBC and other news organizations sent a letter of protest to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert criticizing his government's decision to bar journalists from entering Gaza. Israel has virtually sealed off the Gaza Strip and cut off aid and fuel shipments. A spokesman for Israel's Defense Ministry said Israel was displeased with international media coverage, which he said inflated Palestinian suffering and did not make clear that Israel's measures were in response to Palestinian violence. A cease-fire between Israel and Hamas, the group that won Palestinian elections nearly three years ago and controls Gaza, broke down after an Israeli raid killed six Hamas militants two weeks ago. More Israeli raids have followed, killing approximately 17 Hamas members, and Palestinian militants have fired dozens of rockets into southern Israel, injuring several people. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has criticized Israel over its blockade of the overcrowded Gaza, home to close to 1.5 million Palestinians. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency is warning that Gaza faces a humanitarian "catastrophe" if Israel continues to blockade aid from reaching the territory. The sharply divided landscape of Israel and the occupied territories is familiar ground for South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu. He won the Nobel Peace Prize for his opposition to apartheid in South Africa. Tutu was in New York last week to receive the Global Citizens Circle award. I sat down with him at the residence of the South African vice consul. Tutu reflected on the Israeli occupation: "Coming from South Africa ... and looking at the checkpoints ... when you humiliate a people to the extent that they are being -- and, yes, one remembers the kind of experience we had when we were being humiliated -- when you do that, you're not contributing to your own security." Tutu said the embargo must be lifted. "The suffering is unacceptable. It doesn't promote the security of Israel or any other part of that very volatile region," he said. "There are very, very many in Israel who are opposed to what is happening." Tutu points to the outgoing Israeli prime minister. In September, Olmert made a stunning declaration to Yedioth Ahronoth, the largest Israeli newspaper. He said that Israel should withdraw from nearly all territory captured in the 1967 Middle East war in return for peace with the Palestinians and Syria: "I am saying what no previous Israeli leader has ever said: We should withdraw from almost all of the territories, including in East Jerusalem and in the Golan Heights." Olmert said that traditional Israeli defense strategists had learned nothing from past experiences and that they seemed stuck in the considerations of the 1948 War of Independence. He said: "With them, it is all about tanks and land and controlling territories and controlled territories and this hilltop and that hilltop. All these things are worthless." Olmert appears to have come closer to his daughter's point of view. In 2006, Dana Olmert was among 200 people who gathered outside the home of the Israeli army chief of staff and chanted "murderer" as they protested Israeli killings of Palestinians (Archbishop Tutu was blocked from entering Gaza in his U.N.- backed attempts to investigate those killings). Ehud Olmert recently resigned over corruption allegations, but remains prime minister until a new government is approved by parliament. Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al- Maliki criticized Olmert for waiting until now to call for an end to the settlements: "We wish we heard this personal opinion when Olmert was prime minister, not after he resigned. I think it is a very important commitment, but it came too late. We hope this commitment will be fulfilled by the new Israeli government." Israel is a top recipient of U.S. military aid. Archbishop Tutu says of the Israeli- Palestinian conflict, "When that is resolved, what we will find (is) that the tensions between the West and ... a large part of the Muslim world ... evaporates." He said of Obama, "I pray that this new president will have the capacity to see we've got to do something here ... for the sake of our children." © 2008 The Capital Times Amy Goodman is the host of "Democracy Now!," a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on 700 stations, including WYOU cable access TV and WORT-FM/89.9 radio here. You can hear her podcast at captimes.com. Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column. 28 Nov 2008 @ 18:21 by quinty : When one and a half million people are facing starvation and a loss of all the basics for a minimally decent life someone should at least talk about it. One of you asked me off-line why I was dwelling on this? Why bother when there are so many other important issues going on out there? Well, the US media certainly hasn't bothered. Then let there be one small voice among many small voices to remind us of what is going on. There is a reason why "collective punishment" is against international law. The reason should be obvious. Just like terrorist rockets, which, of course, are also against international law, the innocent, the very young, small babies, children, old people, even friends of your cause, are killed and injured. Just like terrorist rockets and bombs many innocents are killed and injured. Israel may have a potent and powerful link to your heart, but it is still a state, a nation governed by men and women. And as such it is not immune to criticism. Look at the crimes our own country, the United States, has committed over the years? There are peace loving Jews in Israel who are appalled by the acts of their government. And to allow this love of israel to surmount criticism is to look the other way when crimes are committed. I may very well be wrong, and not see or understand something important here. And having realized long ago how difficult it is to be truly correct on any subject I’m willing to change my mind. No big deal there. But if you think that by name calling you will have any influence on me or anyone else but your own kind then you are both foolish and wrong. And, I suspect, you live in a dream world. 29 Nov 2008 @ 16:26 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : This from Al-Ahram offers an Arabic perspective....... Holding Gaza hostage Gaza's humanitarian crisis escalates as the world watches in silence. Dina Ezzat reports from Cairo, Saleh Al-Naami from Gaza HOPE UNDER SIEGE: A Palestinian child flashes the victory sign during a demonstration calling on Egyptian authorities to open the Rafah crossing As Al-Ahram Weekly went to press Wednesday Arab foreign ministers were convening for an extraordinary meeting against the backdrop of an explosive humanitarian crisis in Gaza where 1.5 million Palestinians are suffering the effects of Israel's 22-day long blockade. Gaza's population has been systematically deprived of electricity, medicine, medical supplies, fuel and food. Over the past week Arab TV news channels have been transmitting live footage of the human tragedy, including scenes of critically ill Palestinians awaiting treatment in Gaza's hospitals pleading with the Arabs, and not Israel, for "mercy". One elderly woman suffering from heart disease and diabetes asked Al-Jazeera on Monday: "We are Muslims, why are the Arabs leaving us to die? Why isn't Egypt opening the [Rafah] borders?" But in Cairo Arab foreign ministers are unlikely to offer anything of substance to the Palestinians. Diplomats who spoke to the Weekly on condition of anonymity say there are three reasons why the Cairo meeting will end with little meaningful help being offered to Gaza. First is the reluctance of the Palestinian Authority to solicit Arab support. "The issue has become strictly Fatah versus Hamas," commented one Cairo- based Arab diplomat. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of Fatah, will interpret Arab support for Gaza as indirect support for Hamas. In the words of another Arab diplomatic source: "Abbas does not want Arabs to even talk to Hamas. He was furious when [Arab League Secretary-General Amr] Moussa met with [Hamas leader Khaled] Meshaal in Damascus on the fringe of Arab League meetings." Abbas, the source suggested, complained to Cairo and Amman that Moussa was lending credence to Hamas at a time when Hamas should be forced to submit to Fatah. Abbas has reportedly demanded that the PA, and not the Hamas government in Gaza, be credited for any assistance advanced to Palestinians living in the Strip. Otherwise, he argues, Hamas will emerge the victor. The second problem is Egypt's reluctance to unilaterally open the Rafah Crossing, the only link Gaza has with the outside world that is not under Israeli control, for humanitarian assistance. The Rafah Crossing, says Cairo, is designed for the passage of individuals not commodities and it can only be operated after the PA, which left Gaza under Hamas control in the summer of 2007, returns to the Strip. This, Egypt argues, could have been achieved through the national reconciliation it was trying to mediate earlier this month but which Hamas abandoned after complaining Abbas was harassing its members in the West Bank and that the mediation process was biased towards Fatah. Egyptian officials now say it is up to Hamas to end Gaza's misery, first by suspending Qassam rocket attacks against Israeli targets and denying the Israeli government any pretext to impose a blockade and then by pursuing national reconciliation that will allow for the Palestinian Authority to return to Gaza and the Rafah Crossing to be reopened. The third reason the Arab foreign ministers meeting yesterday at the Cairo-based headquarters of the Arab League will fail to reach any agreement on a rescue package is that even those Arab countries sympathetic to Hamas and supportive of a more inclusive approach to Palestinian decision-making, remain unwilling to confront Cairo over the need to open Rafah. "It is a matter of Egyptian sovereignty and there is not much we can do," said one Syrian diplomatic source. The most that can be expected from the meeting is a resolution blaming Israel for the humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip but containing no retaliatory measures against Tel Aviv should it continue with the siege. As one senior Hamas source said, "when the Palestinian Authority is encouraging the siege and coordinating with Israel it is hard to expect other Arab countries to worry much about the Palestinians". The Wednesday meeting is certain to call for continued reconciliation efforts and demand that the incoming US administration prioritise a final peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians. Meanwhile, in Gaza, the lives of thousands of Palestinians are threatened. Palestinian Health Minister Bassem Naim told the Weekly that recurrent power cuts have paralysed health services and death "on a large scale" is expected. Central oxygen supply stations catering to the needs of patients with respiratory problems are barely operational. Sterilisation equipment for surgeries no longer functions and pasteurisation machines for milk are no longer operational. The entire system of intensive care in Palestinian hospitals is on the verge of collapse. Israel opened border crossings with the Gaza Strip on Monday, allowing in limited amounts of food and fuel for the second time in three weeks after the United Nations warned of a looming humanitarian crisis. Aid groups say the one-day shipment will have minimal impact because border crossings have been closed for so long, depleting reserves of everything from flour to animal feed. "It is just not enough," says Christopher Gunness, spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). Gunness reports that UNRWA cannot function normally without a steady stream of supplies, not only food but books for schoolchildren, also blocked by Israel for weeks. Israel first imposed its siege on Gaza after the power struggle between Hamas and Fatah resulted in Hamas's takeover over of the Strip in June 2007. The aim of the siege is ostensibly to weaken Hamas and remove it from power yet it is Gaza residents who daily pay the price of an increasingly deadly political equation. 16 Dec 2008 @ 23:48 by quinty : News coverage of what's happening in Gaza is hard to find. Our MSM focuses on one "big" story, as a rule, and stays there. The tragedies elsewhere in the world may not sell pharmaceuticals or luxury cruises so, in the spirit of competitive free enterprise, they leave those stories alone. What's more, they may be genuinely controversial. And a basic principle of "fair" and "balanced" journalism today is not to present a dangerous point of view. For the facts may compel a journalist to make the side "we back," ie the US, look bad. And nobody wants that kind of storm. The following is by Chris Hedges. It appeared in Truthout. Chris Hedges' Columns Israel’s ‘Crime Against Humanity’ Posted on Dec 15, 2008 By Chris Hedges Israel’s siege of Gaza, largely unseen by the outside world because of Jerusalem’s refusal to allow humanitarian aid workers, reporters and photographers access to Gaza, rivals the most egregious crimes carried out at the height of apartheid by the South African regime. It comes close to the horrors visited on Sarajevo by the Bosnian Serbs. It has disturbing echoes of the Nazi ghettos of Lodz and Warsaw. “This is a stain on what is left of Israeli morality,” I was told by Richard N. Veits, the former U.S. ambassador to Jordan who led a delegation from the U.S. Council for the National Interest Foundation to Gaza to meet Hamas leaders this past summer. “I am almost breathless discussing this subject. It is so myopic. Washington, of course, is a handmaiden to all this. The Israeli manipulation of a population in this manner is comparable to some of the crimes that took place against civilian populations fifty years ago.” The U.N. special rapporteur for human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory, former Princeton University law professor Richard Falk, calls what Israel is doing to the 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza “a crime against humanity.” Falk, who is Jewish, has condemned the collective punishment of the Palestinians in Gaza as “a flagrant and massive violation of international humanitarian law as laid down in Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.” He has asked for “the International Criminal Court to investigate the situation, and determine whether the Israeli civilian leaders and military commanders responsible for the Gaza siege should be indicted and prosecuted for violations of international criminal law.” Falk, while condemning the rocket attacks by the militant group Hamas, which he points out are also criminal violations of international law, goes on to say that “such Palestinian behavior does not legalize Israel’s imposition of a collective punishment of a life- and health-threatening character on the people of Gaza, and should not distract the U.N. or international society from discharging their fundamental moral and legal duty to render protection to the Palestinian people.” “It is an unfolding humanitarian catastrophe that each day poses the entire 1.5 million Gazans to an unspeakable ordeal, to a struggle to survive in terms of their health,” Falk said when I reached him by phone in California shortly before he left for Israel. “This is an increasingly precarious condition. A recent study reports that 46 percent of all Gazan children suffer from acute anemia. There are reports that the sonic booms associated with Israeli overflights have caused widespread deafness, especially among children. Gazan children need thousands of hearing aids. Malnutrition is extremely high in a number of different dimensions and affects 75 percent of Gazans. There are widespread mental disorders, especially among young people without the will to live. Over 50 percent of Gazan children under the age of 12 have been found to have no will to live.” Gaza now spends 12 hours a day without power, which can be a death sentence to the severely ill in hospitals. There are few drugs and little medicine, including no cancer or cystic fibrosis medication. Hospitals have generators but often lack fuel. Medical equipment, including one of Gaza’s three CT scanners, has been destroyed by power surges and fluctuations. Medical staff cannot control the temperature of incubators for newborns. And Israel has revoked most exit visas, meaning some of those who need specialized care, including cancer patients and those in need of kidney dialysis, have died. Of the 230 Gazans estimated to have died last year because they were denied proper medical care, several spent their final hours at Israeli crossing points where they were refused entry into Israel. The statistics gathered on children—half of Gaza’s population is under the age of 17—are increasingly grim. About 45 percent of children in Gaza have iron deficiency from a lack of fruit and vegetables, and 18 percent have stunted growth. “It is macabre,” Falk said. “I don’t know of anything that exactly fits this situation. People have been referring to the Warsaw ghetto as the nearest analog in modern times.” “There is no structure of an occupation that endured for decades and involved this kind of oppressive circumstances,” the rapporteur added. “The magnitude, the deliberateness, the violations of international humanitarian law, the impact on the health, lives and survival and the overall conditions warrant the characterization of a crime against humanity. This occupation is the direct intention by the Israeli military and civilian authorities. They are responsible and should be held accountable.” The point of this Israeli siege, ostensibly, is to break Hamas, the radical Islamic group that was elected to power in 2007. But Hamas has repeatedly proposed long-term truces with Israel and offered to negotiate a permanent truce. During the last cease-fire, established through Egyptian intermediaries in July, Hamas upheld the truce although Israel refused to ease the blockade. It was Israel that, on Nov. 4, initiated an armed attack that violated the truce and killed six Palestinians. It was only then that Hamas resumed firing rockets at Israel. Palestinians have launched more than 200 rockets on Israel since the latest round of violence began. There have been no Israeli casualties. “This is a crime of survival,” Falk said of the rocket attacks. “Israel has put the Gazans in a set of circumstances where they either have to accept whatever is imposed on them or resist in any way available to them. That is a horrible dilemma to impose upon a people. This does not alleviate the Palestinians, and Gazans in particular, for accountability for doing these acts involving rocket fire, but it also imposes some responsibility on Israel for creating these circumstances.” Israel seeks to break the will of the Palestinians to resist. The Israeli government has demonstrated little interest in diplomacy or a peaceful solution. The rapid expansion of Jewish settlements on the West Bank is an effort to thwart the possibility of a two-state solution by gobbling up vast tracts of Palestinian real estate. Israel also appears to want to thrust the impoverished Gaza Strip onto Egypt. There are now dozens of tunnels, the principal means for food and goods, connecting Gaza to Egypt. Israel permits the tunnels to operate, most likely as part of an effort to further cut Gaza off from Israel. “Israel, all along, has not been prepared to enter into diplomatic process that gives the Palestinians a viable state,” Falk said. “They [the Israelis] feel time is on their side. They feel they can create enough facts on the ground so people will come to the conclusion a viable state cannot emerge.” The use of terror and hunger to break a hostile population is one of the oldest forms of warfare. I watched the Bosnian Serbs employ the same tactic in Sarajevo. Those who orchestrate such sieges do not grasp the terrible rage born of long humiliation, indiscriminate violence and abuse. A father or a mother whose child dies because of a lack of vaccines or proper medical care does not forget. A boy whose ill grandmother dies while detained at an Israel checkpoint does not forget. All who endure humiliation, abuse and the murder of family members do not forget. This rage becomes a virus within those who, eventually, stumble out into the daylight. Is it any wonder that 71 percent of children interviewed at a school in Gaza recently said they wanted to be a “martyr”? The Israelis in Gaza, like the American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, are foolishly breeding the next generation of militants and Islamic radicals. Jihadists, enraged by the injustices done by Israel and the United States, seek to carry out reciprocal acts of savagery, even at the cost of their own lives. The violence unleashed on Palestinian children will, one day, be the violence unleashed on Israeli children. This is the tragedy of Gaza. This is the tragedy of Israel. 26 Dec 2008 @ 03:49 by vaxen : Take... a look, sometime, at what is referred to as 'Egypt.' We are talking 'Sinai Desert' here. The Sinai desert is huge. The "tunnels" go there. The Beduins inhabit the Sinai and while many of them consider themselves to be 'Egyptian,' many do not. Most Egyptians have no idea of what constitutes the Sinai and most people are afraid to go into the interior regins of that Vastness. There are ancient Beduin cities there carved into the cliffs of ancient sandstone which is the predominate rock to be found there. According to myth this is where Moshe and his people came when escaping the Pharoh's (Paro, in Hebrew) rath I've been there. I lived there, with the Beduin, for three years. I ws given land there, too, by Sheich Abdullah Eed Il Wachad of Mezeina. It is an awesome and mystical land full of mystery, diamonds, gold, and 25 tombs of the anceint pharohs. It is a horrible story and Israel should be more than just 'condemmed' for their Fascist actions. But, remember the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty? They get literally billions of dollars from the USA every year. But, there are Israeli citizens, young and old, who are totally against these actions. Their story seldom gets out and many are considered traitors by the current PTB. This is what comes of 'book religion.' Thanks for the article quinty. 26 Dec 2008 @ 18:30 by quinty @68.9.133.5 : Israelis reopen Gaza's crossings http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7799915.stm Israelis reopen Gaza's crossings BBC December 26, 2008 Israel has reopened crossings into the Gaza Strip to allow the delivery of humanitarian aid. Israeli officials said Defence Minister Ehud Barak took the decision after talks with security chiefs and requests from the international community. Four out of five Gazans are reliant on food aid About 80 trucks with supplies such as medicine, food and other goods are expected to cross on Friday. The move comes despite Israeli warnings to Palestinian militants in Gaza to stop their rocket attacks on Israel. On Friday, two Palestinian sisters - aged five and 12 - were killed when a mortar, apparently fired by Palestinian gunmen targeting Israel, hit their home in northern Gaza. Medical officials said the incident happened in the village of Beit Lahya. The Israeli military said its forces had not fired in that area of the Gaza Strip, AFP reports. More than 50 rockets have been launched from Gaza in recent days, after the killing of three Hamas members by Israel. Friday's total of rockets and mortars was 13, Israel's military said. A six-month ceasefire in Gaza between Israel and Hamas ended last week. Cairo talks UN officials have warned that the Hamas-controlled territory is facing a humanitarian catastrophe. Four out of five Gazans are dependent on food aid and the UN warehouses there are now empty. The UN says the deliveries fall far short of what is needed. The Israeli defence ministry did not say for how long the Gaza crossings would remain open but a spokesperson said the security situation was re-evaluated on a daily basis. The ministry said a smaller number of rockets was fired on Friday morning than on previous days and therefore it was judged that the humanitarian need in Gaza was greater than the security need in Israel. In November, Israel re-sealed the border with Gaza after temporarily opening it to allow in a limited amount of food and fuel. That step was taken after a rocket was fired at Israel from Gaza. On Thursday, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said he would not hesitate to strike Hamas and also Islamic Jihad militants in Gaza. Separately, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said after Thursday's emergency talks in Cairo with top Egyptian officials that the latest escalation was "unbearable". The BBC's Christian Fraser says some will see Ms Livni's visit as the first of several diplomatic steps Israel must take before launching military action. 26 Dec 2008 @ 23:52 by quinty : As my partner just said, "Every time archeologists dig up something contradicting accepted Jewish history they have a collective shit fit." Ie, the Israel Firsters here and there.... Schlomo Sand, she tells me, is a bestseller in Israel. And his book on the following is widely discussed there. Here, well, you know...... there is only one true narrative. Everything else is either "self hating" or "anti semitic." The following is from Le Monde Diplomatique... [link] Zionist nationalist myth of enforced exile Israel deliberately forgets its history An Israeli historian suggests the diaspora was the consequence, not of the expulsion of the Hebrews from Palestine, but of proselytising across north Africa, southern Europe and the Middle East By Schlomo Sand Every Israeli knows that he or she is the direct and exclusive descendant of a Jewish people which has existed since it received the Torah (1) in Sinai. According to this myth, the Jews escaped from Egypt and settled in the Promised Land, where they built the glorious kingdom of David and Solomon, which subsequently split into the kingdoms of Judah and Israel. They experienced two exiles: after the destruction of the first temple, in the 6th century BC, and of the second temple, in 70 AD. Two thousand years of wandering brought the Jews to Yemen, Morocco, Spain, Germany, Poland and deep into Russia. But, the story goes, they always managed to preserve blood links between their scattered communities. Their uniqueness was never compromised. At the end of the 19th century conditions began to favour their return to their ancient homeland. If it had not been for the Nazi genocide, millions of Jews would have fulfilled the dream of 20 centuries and repopulated Eretz Israel, the biblical land of Israel. Palestine, a virgin land, had been waiting for its original inhabitants to return and awaken it. It belonged to the Jews, rather than to an Arab minority that had no history and had arrived there by chance. The wars in which the wandering people reconquered their land were just; the violent opposition of the local population was criminal. This interpretation of Jewish history was developed as talented, imaginative historians built on surviving fragments of Jewish and Christian religious memory to construct a continuous genealogy for the Jewish people. Judaism’s abundant historiography encompasses many different approaches. But none have ever questioned the basic concepts developed in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Discoveries that might threaten this picture of a linear past were marginalised. The national imperative rejected any contradiction of or deviation from the dominant story. University departments exclusively devoted to “the history of the Jewish people”, as distinct from those teaching what is known in Israel as general history, made a significant contribution to this selective vision. The debate on what constitutes Jewishness has obvious legal implications, but historians ignored it: as far as they are concerned, any descendant of the people forced into exile 2,000 years ago is a Jew. Nor did these official investigators of the past join the controversy provoked by the “new historians” from the late 1980s. Most of the limited number of participants in this public debate were from other disciplines or non-academic circles: sociologists, orientalists, linguists, geographers, political scientists, literary academics and archaeologists developed new perspectives on the Jewish and Zionist past. Departments of Jewish history remained defensive and conservative, basing themselves on received ideas. While there have been few significant developments in national history over the past 60 years (a situation unlikely to change in the short term), the facts that have emerged face any honest historian with fundamental questions. Founding myths shaken Is the Bible a historical text? Writing during the early half of the 19th century, the first modern Jewish historians, such as Isaak Markus Jost (1793-1860) and Leopold Zunz (1794-1886), did not think so. They regarded the Old Testament as a theological work reflecting the beliefs of Jewish religious communities after the destruction of the first temple. It was not until the second half of the century that Heinrich Graetz (1817-91) and others developed a “national” vision of the Bible and transformed Abraham’s journey to Canaan, the flight from Egypt and the united kingdom of David and Solomon into an authentic national past. By constant repetition, Zionist historians have subsequently turned these Biblical “truths” into the basis of national education. But during the 1980s an earthquake shook these founding myths. The discoveries made by the “new archaeology” discredited a great exodus in the 13th century BC. Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time. And there is no trace of either a slave revolt against the pharaonic empire or of a sudden conquest of Canaan by outsiders. Nor is there any trace or memory of the magnificent kingdom of David and Solomon. Recent discoveries point to the existence, at the time, of two small kingdoms: Israel, the more powerful, and Judah, the future Judea. The general population of Judah did not go into 6th century BC exile: only its political and intellectual elite were forced to settle in Babylon. This decisive encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism. Then there is the question of the exile of 70 AD. There has been no real research into this turning point in Jewish history, the cause of the diaspora. And for a simple reason: the Romans never exiled any nation from anywhere on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. Apart from enslaved prisoners, the population of Judea continued to live on their lands, even after the destruction of the second temple. Some converted to Christianity in the 4th century, while the majority embraced Islam during the 7th century Arab conquest. Most Zionist thinkers were aware of this: Yitzhak Ben Zvi, later president of Israel, and David Ben Gurion, its first prime minister, accepted it as late as 1929, the year of the great Palestinian revolt. Both stated on several occasions that the peasants of Palestine were the descendants of the inhabitants of ancient Judea (2). Proselytising zeal But if there was no exile after 70 AD, where did all the Jews who have populated the Mediterranean since antiquity come from? The smokescreen of national historiography hides an astonishing reality. From the Maccabean revolt of the mid-2nd century BC to the Bar Kokhba revolt of the 2nd century AD, Judaism was the most actively proselytising religion. The Judeo-Hellenic Hasmoneans forcibly converted the Idumeans of southern Judea and the Itureans of Galilee and incorporated them into the people of Israel. Judaism spread across the Middle East and round the Mediterranean. The 1st century AD saw the emergence in modern Kurdistan of the Jewish kingdom of Adiabene, just one of many that converted. The writings of Flavius Josephus are not the only evidence of the proselytising zeal of the Jews. Horace, Seneca, Juvenal and Tacitus were among the Roman writers who feared it. The Mishnah and the Talmud (3) authorised conversion, even if the wise men of the Talmudic tradition expressed reservations in the face of the mounting pressure from Christianity. Although the early 4th century triumph of Christianity did not mark the end of Jewish expansion, it relegated Jewish proselytism to the margins of the Christian cultural world. During the 5th century, in modern Yemen, a vigorous Jewish kingdom emerged in Himyar, whose descendants preserved their faith through the Islamic conquest and down to the present day. Arab chronicles tell of the existence, during the 7th century, of Judaised Berber tribes; and at the end of the century the legendary Jewish queen Dihya contested the Arab advance into northwest Africa. Jewish Berbers participated in the conquest of the Iberian peninsula and helped establish the unique symbiosis between Jews and Muslims that characterised Hispano-Arabic culture. The most significant mass conversion occurred in the 8th century, in the massive Khazar kingdom between the Black and Caspian seas. The expansion of Judaism from the Caucasus into modern Ukraine created a multiplicity of communities, many of which retreated from the 13th century Mongol invasions into eastern Europe. There, with Jews from the Slavic lands to the south and from what is now modern Germany, they formed the basis of Yiddish culture (4). Prism of Zionism Until about 1960 the complex origins of the Jewish people were more or less reluctantly acknowledged by Zionist historiography. But thereafter they were marginalised and finally erased from Israeli public memory. The Israeli forces who seized Jerusalem in 1967 believed themselves to be the direct descendents of the mythic kingdom of David rather than – God forbid – of Berber warriors or Khazar horsemen. The Jews claimed to constitute a specific ethnic group that had returned to Jerusalem, its capital, from 2,000 years of exile and wandering. This monolithic, linear edifice is supposed to be supported by biology as well as history. Since the 1970s supposedly scientific research, carried out in Israel, has desperately striven to demonstrate that Jews throughout the world are closely genetically related. Research into the origins of populations now constitutes a legitimate and popular field in molecular biology and the male Y chromosome has been accorded honoured status in the frenzied search for the unique origin of the “chosen people”. The problem is that this historical fantasy has come to underpin the politics of identity of the state of Israel. By validating an essentialist, ethnocentric definition of Judaism it encourages a segregation that separates Jews from non-Jews – whether Arabs, Russian immigrants or foreign workers. Sixty years after its foundation, Israel refuses to accept that it should exist for the sake of its citizens. For almost a quarter of the population, who are not regarded as Jews, this is not their state legally. At the same time, Israel presents itself as the homeland of Jews throughout the world, even if these are no longer persecuted refugees, but the full and equal citizens of other countries. A global ethnocracy invokes the myth of the eternal nation, reconstituted on the land of its ancestors, to justify internal discrimination against its own citizens. It will remain difficult to imagine a new Jewish history while the prism of Zionism continues to fragment everything into an ethnocentric spectrum. But Jews worldwide have always tended to form religious communities, usually by conversion; they cannot be said to share an ethnicity derived from a unique origin and displaced over 20 centuries of wandering. The development of historiography and the evolution of modernity were consequences of the invention of the nation state, which preoccupied millions during the 19th and 20th centuries. The new millennium has seen these dreams begin to shatter. And more and more academics are analysing, dissecting and deconstructing the great national stories, especially the myths of common origin so dear to chroniclers of the past. Shlomo Sand is professor of history at Tel Aviv university and the author of Comment le people juif fut inventé (Fayard, Paris, 2008) 27 Dec 2008 @ 21:27 by quinty : December 27, 2008 [link] A film clip on Youtube today from Gaza....... This is known as "collective punishment." Could we forget thinking in terms of Israelis and Palestinians for a second, and think in terms of human beings? Perhaps that would remind us no one life is more valuable than another. Not that the score is tied in that regard. 28 Dec 2008 @ 00:12 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : This is a poem Nahida posted on Common Dreams Look at me I would love to write poetry about love, Paint rainbows and butterflies, Smell the scent of rose buds, And dance; Dance with the melody of birds singing I would love to close my eyes and see children smiling No guns pointing at their heads Tell them stories of little fairies in far away lands Not bullets shooting... missiles exploding But How can I? There is a knife in my heart I am hurting Hurting I bleed, I cringe I cry HUMANITY, WHERE ARE YOU? I am being slaughtered Under your watchful eyes I am cold… cold…. cold I cringe I cry Humanity, where are you? Why do you turn your face away? Why do you keep looking the other way? I am here Languishing In Gaza alleyways Humanity, where are you? Look at me Look at me I am here In Gaza alleyways I cringe I cry Humanity, Enough turning the other way . 29 Dec 2008 @ 20:21 by quinty : December 29, 2008 Leaders Lie, Civilians Die, and Lessons of History Are Ignored Posted on Dec 29, 2008 By Robert Fisk Editor’s note: This article was originally printed in The Independent. [link] We’ve got so used to the carnage of the Middle East that we don’t care any more—providing we don’t offend the Israelis. It’s not clear how many of the Gaza dead are civilians, but the response of the Bush administration, not to mention the pusillanimous reaction of Gordon Brown, reaffirm for Arabs what they have known for decades: however they struggle against their antagonists, the West will take Israel’s side. As usual, the bloodbath was the fault of the Arabs—who, as we all know, only understand force. Ever since 1948, we’ve been hearing this balderdash from the Israelis—just as Arab nationalists and then Arab Islamists have been peddling their own lies: that the Zionist “death wagon” will be overthrown, that all Jerusalem will be “liberated”. And always Mr Bush Snr or Mr Clinton or Mr Bush Jnr or Mr Blair or Mr Brown have called upon both sides to exercise “restraint”—as if the Palestinians and the Israelis both have F-18s and Merkava tanks and field artillery. Hamas’s home-made rockets have killed just 20 Israelis in eight years, but a day-long blitz by Israeli aircraft that kills almost 300 Palestinians is just par for the course. The blood-splattering has its own routine. Yes, Hamas provoked Israel’s anger, just as Israel provoked Hamas’s anger, which was provoked by Israel, which was provoked by Hamas, which ... See what I mean? Hamas fires rockets at Israel, Israel bombs Hamas, Hamas fires more rockets and Israel bombs again and ... Got it? And we demand security for Israel—rightly—but overlook this massive and utterly disproportionate slaughter by Israel. It was Madeleine Albright who once said that Israel was “under siege”—as if Palestinian tanks were in the streets of Tel Aviv. By last night, the exchange rate stood at 296 Palestinians dead for one dead Israeli. Back in 2006, it was 10 Lebanese dead for one Israeli dead. This weekend was the most inflationary exchange rate in a single day since—the 1973 Middle East War? The 1967 Six Day War? The 1956 Suez War? The 1948 Independence/Nakba War? It’s obscene, a gruesome game—which Ehud Barak, the Israeli Defence Minister, unconsciously admitted when he spoke this weekend to Fox TV. “Our intention is to totally change the rules of the game,” Barak said. Exactly. Only the “rules” of the game don’t change. This is a further slippage on the Arab-Israeli exchanges, a percentage slide more awesome than Wall Street’s crashing shares, though of not much interest in the US which—let us remember—made the F-18s and the Hellfire missiles which the Bush administration pleads with Israel to use sparingly. Quite a lot of the dead this weekend appear to have been Hamas members, but what is it supposed to solve? Is Hamas going to say: “Wow, this blitz is awesome— we’d better recognise the state of Israel, fall in line with the Palestinian Authority, lay down our weapons and pray we are taken prisoner and locked up indefinitely and support a new American ‘peace process’ in the Middle East!” Is that what the Israelis and the Americans and Gordon Brown think Hamas is going to do? Yes, let’s remember Hamas’s cynicism, the cynicism of all armed Islamist groups. Their need for Muslim martyrs is as crucial to them as Israel’s need to create them. The lesson Israel thinks it is teaching—come to heel or we will crush you—is not the lesson Hamas is learning. Hamas needs violence to emphasise the oppression of the Palestinians—and relies on Israel to provide it. A few rockets into Israel and Israel obliges. Not a whimper from Tony Blair, the peace envoy to the Middle East who’s never been to Gaza in his current incarnation. Not a bloody word. We hear the usual Israeli line. General Yaakov Amidror, the former head of the Israeli army’s “research and assessment division” announced that “no country in the world would allow its citizens to be made the target of rocket attacks without taking vigorous steps to defend them”. Quite so. But when the IRA were firing mortars over the border into Northern Ireland, when their guerrillas were crossing from the Republic to attack police stations and Protestants, did Britain unleash the RAF on the Irish Republic? Did the RAF bomb churches and tankers and police stations and zap 300 civilians to teach the Irish a lesson? No, it did not. Because the world would have seen it as criminal behaviour. We didn’t want to lower ourselves to the IRA’s level. Yes, Israel deserves security. But these bloodbaths will not bring it. Not since 1948 have air raids protected Israel. Israel has bombed Lebanon thousands of times since 1975 and not one has eliminated “terrorism”. So what was the reaction last night? The Israelis threaten ground attacks. Hamas waits for another battle. Our Western politicians crouch in their funk holes. And somewhere to the east—in a cave? a basement? on a mountainside?—a well-known man in a turban smiles. 29 Dec 2008 @ 21:30 by martha : Questions I agree quinty that what is happening in Israel and Gaza is horrific. No arguement there. My question: If over 3,000 rockets have been fired into Israel this year by Hamas, who refuses to recognize Israel, what suggestions might you have to Israel to deal with the rockets? We have a member here at NCN that lives near Gaza and her town has been subjected to these rockets for the past year. What do you say to her children who live in constant fear? What do you say to all the children that live near Gaza when rockets land in their towns? It is a complex issue. 29 Dec 2008 @ 22:02 by Quinty @68.9.133.5 : Agreed, the Israeli children should be able to play in peace. And lobbing rockets into Jewish towns is horrific. But how many Palestinian lives equal one Jewish life? Or how many Jewish lives equal a Palestinian life? The toll is disproportionate. Does your friend back the settlement movement? The theft of Palestinian land and the continued degradation of Palestinians? What is your friend doing in Israel to work for peace? Does she belong to Peace Now or other Jewish groups working for peace? I think Fisk, above, answers some of your questions..... "Yes, Hamas provoked Israel’s anger, just as Israel provoked Hamas’s anger, which was provoked by Israel, which was provoked by Hamas, which ... See what I mean? Hamas fires rockets at Israel, Israel bombs Hamas, Hamas fires more rockets and Israel bombs again and ... Got it? And we demand security for Israel—rightly—but overlook this massive and utterly disproportionate slaughter by Israel. It was Madeleine Albright who once said that Israel was “under siege”—as if Palestinian tanks were in the streets of Tel Aviv." 29 Dec 2008 @ 22:53 by martha : New mindset I look at war, trying to find a new way of thinking for this problem. Obviously the old mindset isn't working. And though history can teach, history reminds us that we need a different approach to solve war. As Patricia Sun often says ""War is a failure of human intelligence." Many Palestinians living in Israel want this to stop. I do not believe that they live in degradation in Israel. As to the woman who lives near Gaza she hasn't been on NCN for a while so I can't speak for what she is doing. She is an artist, trying to raise her children on legal Israel land. All the children are growing up in fear. This is the cycle to break. Accusing one side or the other does not solve the problem. It only continues the old mindset. 29 Dec 2008 @ 23:53 by quinty : The problem is the Palestinians live in degradation in Palestine. Though Arabs are not all that much better off in Israel, where, according to some sources, they are treated as second class citizens. For they are not wanted there. The basis being that Israel is a Jewish state. And what's more the Israelis are attempting to steal the Palestinians' land. Not only with the settlements (about a quarter of a million strong now) but in Jerusalem. Wherever the Israelis want to take over. The truth is that there are many Jews who don’t care about Palestinian rights. They detest them and see them as subhuman. And act accordingly, “reclaiming” what they call “their land.” Often with no more basis than some idiotic rellgious justification. Does this excuse Islamic terrorism? Of course not. When a Palestinian straps a belt of high explosives around his or her waist and walks into a large public market and kills twenty or thirty people this is a serious crime. A huge crime. And it should be condemned. But which side is the major power? Which has military might? Which subjugates the other? Which, according at least to Avi Shlaim, professor of international relations at Oxford, historically avoids (with some exceptions) coming to a true peace settlement? (See the Iron Wall [link] ) And why? Because of a desire for and belief in "eretz Israel." As of last count more than three hundred Palestinians have been killed by Israeli jets and helicopters. One Israeli had died from a Palestinian rocket during the same time. That disparity does not condone the death of that poor Israeli, who may have been a decent innocent person and perhaps even sympathetic to the Palestinians’ suffering. But let’s be real. 30 Dec 2008 @ 12:15 by martha : No Israel So quinty do you feel that the state of Israel should not exist? What about the vatican? The atrocities of the catholic church for many centuries is well documented. What about the 20 or so muslim countries. Should they exist where women have almost no freedom and are treated as property? In Israel women are treated as equals. Not so with the vatican or muslim countires. All these countires and the vatican have long long histories of war, hate, abuse etc. So why should Israel not exist? 30 Dec 2008 @ 12:20 by jazzolog : May We No Longer Be Silent Episcopalian Bishop John Bryson Chane's sermon, referred to in the following article, can be heard at [link] . I don't know if it appears online elsewhere. Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939, in Atlanta, Georgia) is an economist and a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as the "Father of Reaganomics". He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. He is a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology and he holds a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia. He was a post-graduate at the University of California, Berkeley, and Oxford University where he was a member of Merton College. In 1992 he received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993 the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the United States. His writings frequently appear on OpEdNews.com, Antiwar.com, VDARE.com. Lew Rockwell's web site, CounterPunch, and the American Free Press. [link] May We No Longer Be Silent By Paul Craig Roberts December 29, 2008 -- - The title of my article comes from the sermon of the Episcopal Bishop of Washington DC, John Bryson Chane, delivered on October 5, 2008, at St. Columba Church. The bishop’s eyes were opened to Israel’s persecution of Palestinians by his recent trip to Palestine. In his sermon he called on “politicians seeking the highest office in [our] land” to find the courage to “speak out and condemn violations of human rights and religious freedom denied to Palestinian Christians and Muslims” by the state of Israel. Bishop Chane’s courage was to no avail. As Justin Raimondo reported (Antiwar.com, 27 December), when America’s new leader of “change” was informed of Israel’s massive air attack on the Gaza Ghetto, an area of 139 square miles where Israel confines 1.4 million Arabs and tightly controls the inflow of all resources--food, medicine, water, energy--America’s president-elect Obama had “no comment.” According to the Jerusalem Post (26 December), “at 11:30 a.m., more than 50 fighter jets and attack helicopters swept into Gazan airspace and dropped more than 100 bombs on 50 targets. . . . Thirty minutes later, a second wave of 60 jets and helicopters struck at 60 targets . . . More than 170 targets were hit by IAF aircraft throughout the day. At least 230 Gazans were killed and over 780 were wounded . . .” As I write, news reports are that Israel is sending tanks and infantry reinforcements in preparation for a ground invasion of Gaza. Israel’s excuse for its violence is that from time to time the Palestinian resistance organization, Hamas, fires off rockets into Israel to protest the ghetto life that Israel imposes on Gazans. The rockets are ineffectual for the most part and seldom claim Israeli casualties. However, the real purpose for the Israeli attack is to destroy Hamas. In 2006 the US insisted that the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank hold free elections. When free elections were held, Hamas won. This was unacceptable to the Americans and Israelis. In the West Bank, the Americans and Israelis imposed a puppet government, but Hamas held on in Gaza. After unheeded warnings to the Gazans to rid themselves of Hamas and accept a puppet government, Israel has decided to destroy the freely elected government with violence. Ehud Barak, who is overseeing the latest act of Israeli aggression, said in interviews addressed to the British and American publics that asking Israel to agree to a ceasefire with Hamas would be like asking the US to agree to a ceasefire with al Qaeda. The terrorism that Israel inflicts on Palestinians goes unremarked. According to the London Times (December 28), “Britain and the United States were on a collision course with their European allies last night after refusing to call for an end to Israeli airstrikes on Hamas targets in Gaza. The wave of attacks marked a violent end to President George W. Bush’s sporadic Middle East peace efforts. The White House put the blame squarely on Hamas.” The British government also blamed Hamas. For the US and UK governments, Israel can do no wrong. Israel doesn’t have to stop withholding food, medicine, water, and energy, but Hamas must stop protesting by firing off rockets. In violation of international law, Israel can drive West Bank Palestinians off their lands and out of their villages and give the stolen properties to “settlers.” Israel can delay Palestinians in need of emergency medical care at checkpoints until their lives ebb away. Israeli snipers can get their jollies murdering Palestinian children. The Great Moral Anglo-Americans couldn’t care less. In his 2005 Nobel Lecture, British playwright Harold Pinter held the United States and its British puppet state accountable for “the systematic brutality, the widespread atrocities, the ruthless suppression of independent thought.” Everyone knows that such crimes occurred in the Soviet Union and in its East European empire, but “US crimes in the same period have only been superficially recorded, let alone documented, let alone acknowledged, let alone recognized as crimes at all,” this despite the fact that “the United States’ actions throughout the world made it clear that it had concluded it had carte blanche to do what it liked.” Soviet crimes, like Nazi ones, are documented in gruesome detail, but America’s crimes “never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest. The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.” America’s is “a scintillating stratagem. Language is actually employed to keep thought at bay. The words ‘the American people’ provide a truly voluptuous cushion of reassurance. You don’t need to think.” Pinter presents a long list of American crimes and comes to Iraq: “The invasion of Iraq was a bandit act, an act of blatant state terrorism, demonstrating absolute contempt for the concept of international law. The invasion was . . . an act intended to consolidate American military and economic control of the Middle East masquerading--as a last resort--all other justifications having failed to justify themselves--as liberation.” Americans and their British puppets “have brought torture, cluster bombs, depleted uranium, innumerable acts of random murder, misery, degradation and death to the Iraqi people and call it ‘bringing freedom and democracy to the Middle East.” “How many people do you have to kill before you qualify to be described as a mass murderer and a war criminal?” Pinter’s question can also be asked of Israel. Israel has been in violation of international law since 1967, protected by the United States’ veto of UN Resolutions condemning Israel for its violent, inhumane, barbaric, and illegal acts. American evangelical Christians, who are degenerating into Zionists, are Israel’s greatest allies. Jesus is forsaken as Christians swallow whole the Israeli lies. A couple of years ago the US Presbyterian Church was so distressed by Israel’s immorality toward Palestinians that the church attempted to disinvest its investment portfolio from assets tainted with Israel. But the Israel Lobby was stronger. The Presbyterian Church was unable to stand up for Christian principles and knuckled under to the Israel Lobby’s pressure. This is hardly surprising considering that the US government doesn’t stand for Christian principles either. America’s doctrine of “full spectrum dominance” means that, like Lenin’s dictatorship, America is not bound by law or morality, but by power alone. Pinter sums it up in a speech he had dreams of writing for President George W. Bush: “God is good. God is great. God is good. My God is good. Bin Laden’s God is bad. His is a bad God. Saddam’s God was bad, except he didn’t have one. He was a barbarian. We are not barbarians. We don’t chop people’s heads off. We believe in freedom. So does God. I am not a barbarian. I am the democratically elected leader of a freedom-loving democracy. We are a compassionate society. We give compassionate electrocution and compassionate lethal injection. We are a great nation. I am not a dictator. He is. I am not a barbarian. He is. And he is. They all are. I possess moral authority. You see this fist? This is my moral authority. And don’t you forget it.” If only our ears could hear, this is the speech we have been hearing from Israel for 60 years. [link] 30 Dec 2008 @ 14:42 by martha : Palestinian National Covenant Below is the Palestinian National Covenant, the official charter of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). The text is the English version published officially by the PLO, unabridged and unedited. Note, however, that the PLO's translation sometimes deviates from the original Arabic so as to be more palatable to Western readers. For example, in Article 15, the Arabic is translated as "the elimination of Zionism," whereas the correct translation is "the liquidation of the Zionist presence." "The Zionist presence" is a common Arabic euphemism for the State of Israel, so this clause in fact calls for the destruction of Israel, not just the end of Zionism. Where subtleties in the original Arabic are important, the Arabic word has been inserted in parentheses. THE PALESTINIAN NATIONAL CHARTER: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council, July 1-17, 1968 Text of the Charter: Article 1: Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation. Article 2: Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit. Article 3: The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will. Article 4: The Palestinian identity is a genuine, essential, and inherent characteristic; it is transmitted from parents to children. The Zionist occupation and the dispersal of the Palestinian Arab people, through the disasters which befell them, do not make them lose their Palestinian identity and their membership in the Palestinian community, nor do they negate them. Article 5: The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian. Article 6: The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians. Article 7: That there is a Palestinian community and that it has material, spiritual, and historical connection with Palestine are indisputable facts. It is a national duty to bring up individual Palestinians in an Arab revolutionary manner. All means of information and education must be adopted in order to acquaint the Palestinian with his country in the most profound manner, both spiritual and material, that is possible. He must be prepared for the armed struggle and ready to sacrifice his wealth and his life in order to win back his homeland and bring about its liberation. Article 8: The phase in their history, through which the Palestinian people are now living, is that of national (watani) struggle for the liberation of Palestine. Thus the conflicts among the Palestinian national forces are secondary, and should be ended for the sake of the basic conflict that exists between the forces of Zionism and of imperialism on the one hand, and the Palestinian Arab people on the other. On this basis the Palestinian masses, regardless of whether they are residing in the national homeland or in diaspora (mahajir) constitute - both their organizations and the individuals - one national front working for the retrieval of Palestine and its liberation through armed struggle. Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase. The Palestinian Arab people assert their absolute determination and firm resolution to continue their armed struggle and to work for an armed popular revolution for the liberation of their country and their return to it. They also assert their right to normal life in Palestine and to exercise their right to self-determination and sovereignty over it. Article 10: Commando action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilizatio |