| Gerald Vest: Expressing our Creativity through Work |
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15 Dec 2006 @ 04:14 by blueboy : I will continue to 15 Dec 2006 @ 15:01 by jerryvest : Hmm, thought this was far from "life-confession," but if that is the way you see it, so be it. I am attempting to point out that our Work can be a means to express our creativity. In any event, we can learn from what we do, even the meaningless tasks of our daily life. And, perhaps you can explain "the damnation spot" and "spreading salvation" in one of your articles, as this is not attractive to me at all. Frankly, as I mentioned in my article, I find self-evaluation a positive experience, but will think more about disclosure here. I find that Work also can be derived from insight, imagination, love and inspiration without being motivated by money, greed and ego mechanismes--eg. parenting, social work, art, dance, service, poetry, teaching and exercise. Also, kindness and compassion are naturally part of our spirit. Astrid, I know that you have no harmful intent in your response, nor do I. I just see Work from a different angle and do not feel that spirit/creativity connotes religious dogma, rather represents what is real and genuine--a manifestation of health and well-being. Thanks for responding -- Much love to you, Jerry. 15 Dec 2006 @ 17:32 by blueboy : What happened????..... I saw your Ponderings as the most beautiful sharings with us; very honest, naked and straight forward and tried to share my ponderings in the same way, albeit in a little short-hand version (not defining Key words how I understand them ). "Spreading Salvation" has been -as far as I can see- the Church's Main goal for centuries.... as a means of deception: to lull people into thinking that they need not be accountable for their own actions, nor do they need to care for the response-ability ; the cosmic gift in each, coz' people need not earn their/our own salvation -if only they/we believe in these Entities, coming from up high, to save them/us -as long as they/we believe in them! ( THIS is the "spot" that turns into the "damnation spot" when pursued as a way of life, I think). No.... I believe in your ( and my ) Model of Life-Approach more!... This is in a nut shell what my statement above is trying to convey. I did not mean to offend or demean anything. I am so sorry if that is how I came across. I might indeed "take up" on your suggestion to "think on paper" in "my" blog, over the Holidays. For now, I'm still not able to sit up more than ten fifteen minutes at the time, before the pain gets overwhelming and I have to lie down. But the subject matter is very important and needs to vented from as many angles as possible, I believe, as do you. I coulsn't agree more with your thinking/way of seeing Things! In my mind you, Jerry, are so right on target! Same feelings same ponderings, different words/angles! : ).... Semantics! Ahh! A big Hug to you and your Family!/Astrid 15 Dec 2006 @ 17:45 by jerryvest : Astrid, I'm sorry about your pain and hope my response does not cause you any more. Like I said, I just didn't get the salvation and damnation example that you gave, so do let it go into space, if you will. I know that we generally agree on these matters...will send you waves of love and good will as I travel to Ft. Bliss today to be with our soldiers and their families in a stress management/health promotion class. Wish I was closer so that I could give you a 'stresout'. Hugs to you as well. Jerry 17 Dec 2006 @ 19:13 by jerryvest : More on your explanation on salvation and damnation. Astrid, I'm glad you clarified your initial 'short hand', I should be able to read your comments after all these years. I can see how being saved and staying out of hell can be a frightening experience to people, especially since it is repeated over and over as a mantra in religious ceremonies. I am reminded of the "Apostle's Creed" that started my early thinking about hell and damnation. In this article/Link there is some discussion that the original meaning of hell was "burial". But, there are so many different definitions, that the one's that seem to surface the most are based on fire and brimstone. I don't think a loving God would treat his Son's & Daughter's to such torture, especially when all are born, totally innocent. (tabla rosa)[link]mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/apostles_creed.html For me, I accept that there is a self-accounting for our doing, being and living; however, when we are innocent and don't know the Laws (physical, mental, emotional, spiritual) that operate us, learning can be a painful and, often a dangerous path. A good example of learning more about this is reflected in the Tarot--"Path of Swords" - Truth. I can share a personal experience several years ago while participating in many extensive, intensive, integrative health programs. During an insight meditation, my past experiences, that carried charges and pain , unfolded within my mind, much like a slide show, visually showing me each phase of my life without judgment. Literally, these life experiences allowed me the gift to observe and forgive myself for my transgressions--eg. At (age 8)a friend and I peppered a rabbit with our bee bee guns. Seeing the experience as a mindful adult brought many tears of compassion for killing this beautiful creature. No Judgment! I still try to remember who said: "If religions didn't have 'original sin' they wouldn't have a congregation." Seems to me that Fear is the real deamon for us to transform and transcend--God, Sex, Sin, and Death are the big ones. 17 Dec 2006 @ 22:27 by blueboy : Just thinking about Humankind's dilemma, can make me cry! I can relate so well to all you say and tidbits of your life. "Been there, done that" would describe it all! The things I "allowed" the Grown Ups to do to all my Summer Kitties.... Oh, Jerry.... so many tears later, it still hurts me to think of it!... And what about what Humankind has done to Itself! "Does Mankind deserve Salvation?".... I think we van only earn it! through RIGHT Creativity: to go WITH Life instead of against it! No cliques, no "Causes" and such can any longer be an excuse to continue to keep the confusion intact; we need to undress all those excuses that the SELFISH Brattt hides behind, while stealing Life from Living Things around him/her! COMPASSION. To RELATE to the Action and the Pain from these incorrect Actions, are the Cosmic Tools that will open the floodgates to The Compassion frequency. Compassion then, opens up the doors to our own Creativity -as I see it, so that we can stop being selfish Bratts and allow our own Creative capacity to create a life each really wanted -to begin with! I don't believe, that anyone would choose any different, were they/we able to discern the true picture before doing things! One thing we, Humankind HAS to undo somehow is PEER-PRESSURE; the Kulprit Nr One involved in ALL destruction!... (My conclusion -after looking as deep as I ever could for & into the source of Humankind's dilemma.) What creates more fear than peer pressure?... Never knew Psyatic Nerv Pinch could be this horrendous!. I've been in daze from pain now for over a month. The pain pushed me into some sort of TimeWarp and it is hard for me perceive that it has gone on for more than a month by now! Hey, we "need" to discuss this "Original Sin" -thing at one point a little more. I would love to hear your Insights around it! Be In Good Hands, Dear friend!/Love/Astrid PS: This link [link] might be of interest in understanding what formed the "Christianity as we know it via the Church -and some of its fallacies!... 18 Dec 2006 @ 14:14 by jerryvest : Thanks for your interaction, Astrid. I think I'll have to re-examine my posts as they don't seem to attract discussion on a wider scale. But, in many ways this is a means for me to express myself and keep my mind and spirit active. The point I was making on the 'original sin' is that if we are born 'tabla rosa' then we are innocent and have what is often referred to as a blank slate. The Christians and others would like us to believe that we must cleans ourselves at birth as we enter the world as sinners. I think this is a bunch of negativity and promotes fear, ignorance and prejudice. When I looked and touched my children and grandchildren at birth and later, it was clear to me that evil is a projection by those who fear God. eg. Bush and the 'Evil Empire.' When our hearts are filled with love, that is what we see, hear, feel and experience. Much love to you and your partner, Astrid. Hope today brings you more freedom from psyatic nerve pain. 18 Dec 2006 @ 16:00 by blueboy : I think you are right! I would agree with your observations about the "original sin" especially since I see it pretty much the "same way" . I also think iot happens every time when yet another person falls out of grace; loses his/her connection to one's own Insight/Intuition/discernment etc (all these Gosd-given skills/Life tools are collectively called "grace" - as I see it.) Pretty much only you were responding when I was discussing these issues on my old blog , (that I later had Ming delete completely... which I now regret!....) So, no.... people do NOT want to talk about their own psyche/psychology "too much" though that is exactly thee thing, we ALL need to talk about -if ever get any true healing on a wider scale to happen!.... Thanks, Jerry for your Big Heart, so warm from Love & Care for ALL LIFE on Earth! /// Astrid [link] /// Look at this pic! ( read the whole text; not "too much" but very enlightening! ) [link] Dr Chamberlain's excellent website with a lot of sub-headlines where important things are discussed, things like origin of all violence, circumsicion, the "Cruelest Cut" acc. to Dr Chamberlain etcetc. 18 Dec 2006 @ 16:38 by jerryvest : Thanks for your response and the Links. These are two of my favorites and are very enlightening. I recently read an article about circumsicion that suggests that it can serve as a prevention method for AIDS, but I'll look for more studies. Thus, many of these religious practices are based on belief rather than upon science, and, as we've seen, the Evangelicals prefer to trust their historical beliefs rather than modern science. How are you feeling today? I've been doing some meditation exercises on pain that allow me to be more of an observer or witness and sometimes I get relief. But, I try not to give advice as self-discovery is much better and accurate. This is one reason that I self-disclose as I am describing my own experience rather than someone else's ideas, belief's and suggestions. For example, last week someone came to our "stressout" and identified some pain that he had in his back. He wanted to know if he should go to a chiropractor. I think it was a trick question as he may have even been one of the bone crunchers. I told him that I generally put hot and cold packs on my back or get on my Inversion Table or both. But, afterward, I thought this was even too much advice giving, if you know what I mean. 28 Nov 2007 @ 22:48 by eva @81.93.79.117 : great questions! I'm not working yet as a social worker, but I have been working some other jobs... like promoter of sale of various products. I was not happy about persuasing other people to buy something, but it was my job and nothing else. I have done it the best I could, but the peak of my day always was end of working time. Irony was that I have to be smiliing all the time so I felt like a liar. I'll try to answer on these questions after I will find a job for real. 28 Nov 2007 @ 23:49 by jerryvest : Thanks, Eva...am looking forward to your response about being a social worker. Promoting sales and not being honest must be a very difficul job, but it is part of the advertising industry. I know that you can't turn on tv without seeing some commercial about pills or drugs that will help you sleep, breathe, live, be happy and overcome any pain one may have. And, of course we know that politics is just one lie after another. I often wonder if anyone realizes what it must be like to tell the 'truth' or to be the 'truth.' This evening the "R's" will be doing another debate or another theater performance about how they will improve opportunites for every American, not raise taxes and continue to increase our military weapons, including nukes. They love war and if given the opportunity they will invade other countries who are not democratic with the exception of other oil producing friends. Hmm, I think that our commedians will just get more material for their shows. Can't wait to see Bill Mahr when he returns to HBO. Thanks for your contributions to this log. Jerry 19 Mar 2008 @ 14:21 by Charles @152.22.0.254 : WTF this makes so much sense now, thanks 20 Mar 2008 @ 14:13 by jerryvest : Thanks for visiting my logs, Charles. I'm glad that I made some sense to you. I am especially enjoying and appreciating my work experience with our Wounded Warrior Program at Ft. Bliss. I feel that I can make a difference in the lives of our soldiers and their families. I feel as though I have been preparing for this professional Work all of my life. War trauma is very devastating for our soldiers and their families. I find our soldiers very courageous. I don't think that we will ever really know what they have given of themselves to protect our safety and security as a country. It is unfortunate that those who voted for the war and put them at risk without any plan to remove them from a religious war should at least apologize to them and give them all the resources they need to recover and to live a healthy life following their career in the military. Jerry Other entries in Articles 18 Sep 2008 @ 12:01: Soldier Tattoos in our Warrior Restoration & Resilience Center 5 Aug 2008 @ 23:38: Ron Lautenbach visits our Warrior Center 27 May 2008 @ 13:31: Another Critical Look at the DSM 4 May 2008 @ 02:25: Prototype Health Program for Wounded Warriors 3 Apr 2008 @ 15:46: Meditation Quotes 16 Jan 2008 @ 14:31: Our Primary Concern is our Client .... 4 Jan 2008 @ 15:17: Study Finds, Drugs Offer No Benefit in Curbing Aggression 30 Nov 2007 @ 19:54: Nicotene and Smoking - Don't get Started!!! 25 Nov 2007 @ 20:05: A Story about a Drug Representative of the Big Pharmas 26 Oct 2007 @ 13:52: Our Relationships
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