| New Civilization News: The Imminent Fall of this Society |
Category: Economics, Financing, Banking 14 comments
21 Jun 2005 @ 19:40 by vaxen : US Indebtedness? 21 Jun 2005 @ 20:01 by astrid : Personally, I think it will be "A Blessing In Disguise" when the Private Bankers' Monetary System collapses. The Q. is what can I as one person -among six billion others- do to make the Fall a little gentler! That has been a big topic in my polemics here on ncn; different 'how to' approaches to that. The greater number on One Person healing approaches are put forth, that much softer the Fall will be!... It can be anything from stop bying the most toxic products -usually also put out by the most selfich/non-caring Corps. to quit using their fiat money altogether -or at least working towards that goal!.... And of course, tell others, who also might be concerned about the Planets -and our Collective- Future, how fraudulent the System is and about their scam AGAINST the CITIZEN'S / We, The People ( all over the Planet) WE don't OWE them. THEY OWE US -and Mother Earth- EVERYTHING!!! Thanks, Rishi, this subject matter cannot to be taken up for scrutiny too often/ too many times!... as pretty much our entire existence rests on how we handle this Question! I just saw Vaxen's absolutely magnificent comment. THANKS, Amigo, you're The Best! : ) 21 Jun 2005 @ 23:20 by scotty : Money is ALREADY worthless !!! Right now all the money you have is already worthless. It is not backed up by gold. It is not backed up by silver. The only thing backing it up is inflation - and inflation has that dollar backed up to the wall!! If everyone went to the bank and asked to be given their money .. the bank would close (just like they did in the 30's I think it was !) The good ol green back ISNT money either - it's just a promise - all paper money is a promise ... it's all an illusion !! It only has the value that we give it - nothing more ! We're living on promises - and when the bubble of the illusion bursts then what'll happen eh? Money men will take a dive from the top of tall buildings no doubt - and the little guy? Well - we'll just go back to trading ! 21 Jun 2005 @ 23:27 by scotty : a link or two for those who might be interested ... [link] [link] 22 Jul 2005 @ 07:38 by redstar : I feel sure - there's some small secret government group with massive finacial resources that are just going around rescuing things as they are about to fall apart and I'm also sure that they are so busy right now that it is just about impossible to keep up. HOORAY 22 Jul 2005 @ 12:16 by rayon : It's the Interest system, not money - A Berlin Architect has a PhD on this, published 1985, I will return with details of book for those interested. The experiment was such a success the ruling government had to ban it quickly. Meanwhile my store of sprouts and beautifully coloured and health giving collection of spices gets refreshed. Bark ingredients for bones, resin for blood, seeds for the future, etc . . . 16 Sep 2005 @ 16:36 by astrid : This is all very interesting! I can see how we all (commenting here) are thinking; quite intensily! Scotty, I am reading the Milton Friedman link. Many enlightening statements there. Ah, don't just love him?!! 16 Sep 2005 @ 17:00 by astrid : This is all very interesting! I can see how we all (commenting here) are thinking; quite intensily! Scotty, I am reading the Milton Friedman link. Many enlightening statements there. Ah, don't just love him?!! Nicola, that is a very important distinction you are making!The Money system vs the Interest system! After having been engulfed in this money debate (with myself) for the last four years, I personally have come to the conclusion that the best thing for me personally, is to just direct the (existing ) money(/system) that goes through my hands to BENEFIT ONLY THE NEW HEAVEN-on-EARTH Reality I am helping to build. I avoid to give any of my money back to Big /Business/Corps and I make every day sure I support Small Business, like any kind of Family-run Business, the "Greener" their consciousness is, the better, of course! : ). What makes the biggest difference is that I am aware of my own sovereignty, the money mongers' scam, the importance of supporting Mother Earth/ Do Unto Others... / win-win is the only way to fly. These are some of the ways I use the money as the bridge to the New System, that will EVOLVE =within the perimeters of Heaven-on-Earth; for the Highest Good of ALL! That would of course, first & foremost, include Nature/ Environment and ALL of Nature: Animals, Plants, Air, Water, Soil. This, I think 16 Sep 2005 @ 17:04 by jstarrs : >Nearly October already... ...and the "imminent fall of society" is still hanging like a babylon garden. What happened? Could it be that things are more subtle than you think? That'd be hell, huh? to find out you're wrong. Anyway...in the end, everything is impermanent, maybe that's what you mean? 16 Sep 2005 @ 20:44 by astrid : ooohhhh, Jeff.... ...do you mind if I, a-d, respond?.... I personally -and a lot of people with me- interpreat the FALL already as STARTED!!!...Indeed, the BLATANT START occurred Nov 22:nd -63 in Dallas, with the Magic Bullet into JFK:s head. I will not go into how &why I see that day as one of the Defining Moments for our Human Family in general and for the sc. Western Culture in particular. These "Defining Moments" ( = after wich NOBODY's life was "the same" as prior to the Event ) Another Defining Moment just occurred in the South!.... More to come, before Sodom & Gomorrah = -especially- the West/ern Culture is cleansed from their TOXIC way of life; the sc PROGRESS!... wich is another COVER-UP for Humans moving away from LIFE/NATURE, thinking Man, without Nature, can do -as in CREATING LIFE much better..... MUCH MUCH BETTER than Life/"God"!... With Progress follows DECADENCE!!!...with decadence follows DISASTER.... sooner or later.... maybe it comes in increments, but.... it is still there... -95 or was it -96 Gordon Michael Scallion said that the FALL of the (Western) civilzation would be hastened into being by disasters involving WATER, a lot of water, even if not only by water, causing a lot of DEATH and (other ) destruction and what water (together with the other disasters), couldn't do, FEMA would do!!!.... Is there any Q in your mind???... But IN THE SAME PACE as the OLD is giving way, the NEW is being BIRTHED, by LIFE Itself, assisted by us who know and care!.... : ) 25 Sep 2005 @ 17:43 by jstarrs : No, Astrid, be my guest.. ;0) Zooming out a little, we also have the Kali yuga. The Jehovah's Witnesses must be delighted with all this, anyway. 5 Dec 2005 @ 05:19 by oasiian : The trade dispute is worrysome In the way that if indeed there's a debt problem in 'free' America, especially since America seeks daominance before trade (clearly so in Iraq). America's economy is also collapsing, and this is bad news, because the soldiers in Iraq see this. There will likely be a revolution at least over there, before America itself crumbles. Either that or America will step up its military, regardless economic defecit, and find more reasons to conquer other countries, in search of some way to remove the debt. I for one think that this whole debt thing is a mask. They're using it to get money from other nations and weaken their stuffs. I mean, do we see the military slowing down any? The civilian society itself is on a very obvious downfall, but the tanks out there blowing things up are still getting a dollar per gas fill. Stress is likely to increase American Hostility. War will become more open, and they will begin looking for a good reason to fight. This cannot happen. We cannot stand by any longer. I call boycott. I will use nothing oil-based. As it is I bike from place to place. If it were up to me I'd start a big rebellion right inside America, because they desperately ask for it. 5 Dec 2005 @ 06:48 by ashanti : Kali Yuga Yep, things are falling apart here in South Africa as well. Systems and infrastructure collapse. Airports with holes in runways, delaying everyone by 12 hours, causing chaos. Delayed flights now the norm. Check-in systems collapsing, resulting in more delays. Electricity black-outs, sudden realisations that there is not enough power, billing systems that are spitting out wild figures - people being billed for thousands, taking 2 days' leave from work to try and sort out the mess. It has been a sudden, definite development over the last year. South Africa's systems and infrastructure are collapsing. There are frequent riots because of poor or no service delivery. People in Tshwane regularly burning down the train station because the trains are always late. A guy who lost it with the Department of Homes Affairs - trying to get his ID document (in South Africa, you cannot do a thing without your ID document), after months of Kafka-like delays, he finally snapped and took a public official hostage, until he could get his ID. The public supported him. Public Sevice delivery has all but collpased in South Africa. Guess its just part of a global trend. Kali Yuga indeed. Certainly over here there is a sense of things falling apart. 5 Dec 2005 @ 12:26 by rayon : Sad about SA but the national debt situation continues too. As said above, there is a book looking at what people earn in their life and what earnings bring. Basic premis of the book above is that economies suddenly thrive when people are allowed to trade the proper value of their goods/services - and the problem lies with the interest system and gradual inflation which reduces the value. Dare one even speak of the incredible free things life brings us (in theUK they are talking of putting a tax on the views from people's homes, etc), because someone would then squander the resource, by ordering Nature to provide. Familes add to society, team work adds, small economies of scale add to society, buildings tuning rationale/nature simultaneously add to society. How many other things add to our Societies? Looking after animals adds to Society (ie not slaughtering a nations herd in case of disease). Maintaining a vegetarian diet adds to society. Being Positive, speaking nicely, adds to society. Every one of these adds to Society as a huge whole. The money they take is supposed to fund good things. 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