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21 Jun 2005 @ 15:19, by Matthew Webb

What will YOU do, when the dollar is regarded as worthless, or next to worthless? What will that new suit or new dress, that new car or big house/appartment matter then?

More importantly, what good will it do to continue to "play the game" of a society whose very existence is irrational, and whose norms are not only world-destructive but SELF DESTRUCTIVE as well?

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US deficit hits a new record
By Nick Beams
21 June 2005


The US balance of payments deficit hit an all-time high for the first quarter of the year, rising to $195.1 billion, up 3.6 percent from the previous record of $188.4 billion for the final three months of 2004 and well above market predictions of $190 billion. The latest figure means that the US payments deficit is running at an annual rate of $780 billion, requiring $2 billion a day from the rest of the world—mainly provided by Japan, China and other Asian nations—to finance it.

The current account deficit for 2004 was a record $668.1 billion, up 28.6 percent from the previous record of $519.7 billion in 2003. But if present trends continue, this year’s deficit will be even larger.

The record payments gap is certain to fuel demands for the Bush administration to take action against US trade rivals. The Congress has already passed a resolution calling for the revaluation of the Chinese currency within six months and protectionist sentiment is growing.

Democrat Senator Byron Dorgan said the latest figures showed the current account deficit had reached “dangerously high levels” and that the administration had to change course on trade.

The trade figures appeared to bring to an end the recent rally enjoyed by the dollar in international currency markets—following the No vote on the proposed European constitution in France and the Netherlands and the row over the European Union budget. After sliding by 6.7 percent since early May, the euro rose by 1.1 percent last week, with much of the gain coming after the announcement of the US deficit.

The relative movements of the euro and the dollar—reflecting the growing economic weaknesses of both the United States and the eurozone economies—point to underlying problems at the heart of the world financial system.

On the one hand, the general rise of the euro over the past three years has been caused in the main by the growing debts of the US—both the ever-widening balance of payments gap and the federal budget deficit. With US imports now around 50 percent higher than exports, no serious observer believes that there is a “quick fix”—such as a revaluation of the Chinese yuan or the introduction of protectionist measures—that can reduce the US payments deficit. Even with a decline in the value of the dollar of more than 25 percent against the euro since the start of 2002, the current account deficit has continued to rise, growing by 1.6 percentage points of gross domestic product since the start of 2003.

On the other hand, the recent fall in the euro and the rebound of the dollar has been caused by the rejection of the European constitution and the doubts this has raised about the future of the euro and even the European Union. In other words, the strength or weakness of each of the world’s two major currencies is determined by the relative position of the other.

Last April, the Financial Times noted in an editorial comment that the euro did not have a great deal going for it except that it was not the US dollar. “In truth, there are good reasons for selling all three of the world’s main currencies (the dollar, the euro and the yen). But could they all fall? Yes, against either gold or the Chinese renminbi (yuan),” it stated.

This conclusion points to deep problems in the global monetary system. For the past 34 years, since the decision by US president Nixon to remove its gold backing, the US dollar has functioned as a global fiat currency. Its position in international markets has depended on the relative strength of the US economy vis-à-vis the other major capitalist powers.

That position has steadily eroded over the past decade and a half. Up until the end of the 1980s, the position of the dollar was sustained by the fact that, even though its trade and balance of payments situation was worsening, the US was still a net international creditor—a status it first attained in the aftermath of World War I. From the mid-1990s, even as US international debts steadily grew, the “strong dollar” was sustained by an inflow of capital into the US, attracted by the higher returns on investment and in the stock market.

But since the collapse of the share market bubble in 2000, the US has come to increasingly depend on an inflow of capital from the central banks of Asia to cover its debts—so much so that more than 75 percent of all the balance of payments surpluses of the rest of the world are used to finance the US deficit. The danger to the stability of the global financial system lies in the fact that, at a certain point, this inflow may cease, sparking a rapid fall in the dollar’s value, a rise in interest rates and the onset of a US and global recession.

Were such an economic scenario to develop, it would by no means necessarily follow that the euro would come to replace the dollar as the chief international currency. The present crisis of the European Union, and the doubt it casts on the long-term future of the euro, means that a major dollar crisis could bring a crisis of confidence in all major currencies, and a turn to gold as the only secure store of value. The steady rise of the price of gold over the past four weeks amid the political turmoil surrounding the European Union could well be a sign of things to come.

See Also:
Global interest rate "conundrum" recalls the 1930s
[14 June 2005]
US indebtedness a growing threat to global stability
[23 May 2005]

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14 comments

21 Jun 2005 @ 19:40 by vaxen : US Indebtedness?
Such a cruel joke. Take back your sovereignty and you will see just how indebted you aren't. Fed-Corp (The UNITED STATES CORPORATION) in Washnington D.C. is in Chapter 11 Bankruptcy! They, not you, have been 'Bankrupt' for a very long time. Study the matter a little and you will be shocked to find out that the Corporation in Washington District of Criminals has defrauded every single 'citizen' of the Republic by making agreements with the birth Doctor to enslave you into being thier debtors and paying for their criminal acts for the rest of your life! The 'Birth Certificate' is a negotiable bond that 'they' took out on you at birth via a fairly simple 'swindle!' The 'beast' in Washington is NOT our Government at all!

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Martha is up in arms about a little picture, that you intro'd this article with, whilst the lifes' blood of this once great nation is sucked out by vampires and thieves. A hot revolution IS warrented! A warrent for the arrest of every single traitor on capitol hill is warrented too! But then the Fed Corp and the COP Corp are paid lackeys, aren't they? Who pays them? heh heh...we know.

PS: WE the PEOPLE owe THEM, the servants, nothing save a silver bullet in the heart and or head! They are the indebted not us! Reclaim your rights and file that cancelatura!  



21 Jun 2005 @ 20:01 by astrid : Personally,
I think it will be "A Blessing In Disguise" when the Private Bankers' Monetary System collapses. The Q. is what can I as one person -among six billion others- do to make the Fall a little gentler! That has been a big topic in my polemics here on ncn; different 'how to' approaches to that.
The greater number on One Person healing approaches are put forth, that much softer the Fall will be!... It can be anything from stop bying the most toxic products -usually also put out by the most selfich/non-caring Corps. to quit using their fiat money altogether -or at least working towards that goal!....
And of course, tell others, who also might be concerned about the Planets -and our Collective- Future, how fraudulent the System is and about their scam AGAINST the CITIZEN'S / We, The People ( all over the Planet) WE don't OWE them. THEY OWE US -and Mother Earth- EVERYTHING!!!
Thanks, Rishi, this subject matter cannot to be taken up for scrutiny too often/ too many times!... as pretty much our entire existence rests on how we handle this Question!

I just saw Vaxen's absolutely magnificent comment. THANKS, Amigo, you're The Best! : )  



21 Jun 2005 @ 23:20 by scotty : Money is ALREADY worthless !!!
Right now all the money you have is already worthless.
It is not backed up by gold.
It is not backed up by silver.
The only thing backing it up is inflation - and inflation has that dollar backed up to the wall!!
If everyone went to the bank and asked to be given their money .. the bank would close (just like they did in the 30's I think it was !)
The good ol green back ISNT money either - it's just a promise - all paper money is a promise ... it's all an illusion !! It only has the value that we give it - nothing more !
We're living on promises - and when the bubble of the illusion bursts then what'll happen eh? Money men will take a dive from the top of tall buildings no doubt - and the little guy? Well - we'll just go back to trading !  



21 Jun 2005 @ 23:27 by scotty : a link or two
for those who might be interested ... [link]

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22 Jul 2005 @ 07:38 by redstar : I feel sure -
there's some small secret government group with massive finacial resources that are just going around rescuing things as they are about to fall apart and I'm also sure that they are so busy right now that it is just about impossible to keep up.

HOORAY  



22 Jul 2005 @ 12:16 by rayon : It's the Interest system, not money -
A Berlin Architect has a PhD on this, published 1985, I will return with details of book for those interested. The experiment was such a success the ruling government had to ban it quickly. Meanwhile my store of sprouts and beautifully coloured and health giving collection of spices gets refreshed. Bark ingredients for bones, resin for blood, seeds for the future, etc . . .  


16 Sep 2005 @ 16:36 by astrid : This is all very
interesting! I can see how we all (commenting here) are thinking; quite intensily!
Scotty, I am reading the Milton Friedman link. Many enlightening statements there. Ah, don't just love him?!!  



16 Sep 2005 @ 17:00 by astrid : This is all very
interesting! I can see how we all (commenting here) are thinking; quite intensily!
Scotty, I am reading the Milton Friedman link. Many enlightening statements there. Ah, don't just love him?!!
Nicola, that is a very important distinction you are making!The Money system vs the Interest system!
After having been engulfed in this money debate (with myself) for the last four years, I personally have come to the conclusion that the best thing for me personally, is to just direct the (existing ) money(/system) that goes through my hands to BENEFIT ONLY THE NEW HEAVEN-on-EARTH Reality I am helping to build. I avoid to give any of my money back to Big /Business/Corps and I make every day sure I support Small Business, like any kind of Family-run Business, the "Greener" their consciousness is, the better, of course! : ). What makes the biggest difference is that I am aware of my own sovereignty, the money mongers' scam, the importance of supporting Mother Earth/ Do Unto Others... / win-win is the only way to fly. These are some of the ways I use the money as the bridge to the New System, that will EVOLVE =within the perimeters of Heaven-on-Earth; for the Highest Good of ALL! That would of course, first & foremost, include Nature/ Environment and ALL of Nature: Animals, Plants, Air, Water, Soil.

This, I think  



16 Sep 2005 @ 17:04 by jstarrs : >Nearly October already...
...and the "imminent fall of society" is still hanging like a babylon garden.
What happened?
Could it be that things are more subtle than you think?
That'd be hell, huh? to find out you're wrong.
Anyway...in the end, everything is impermanent, maybe that's what you mean?  



16 Sep 2005 @ 20:44 by astrid : ooohhhh, Jeff....
...do you mind if I, a-d, respond?.... I personally -and a lot of people with me- interpreat the FALL already as STARTED!!!...Indeed, the BLATANT START occurred Nov 22:nd -63 in Dallas, with the Magic Bullet into JFK:s head. I will not go into how &why I see that day as one of the Defining Moments for our Human Family in general and for the sc. Western Culture in particular. These "Defining Moments" ( = after wich NOBODY's life was "the same" as prior to the Event ) Another Defining Moment just occurred in the South!.... More to come, before Sodom & Gomorrah = -especially- the West/ern Culture is cleansed from their TOXIC way of life; the sc PROGRESS!... wich is another COVER-UP for Humans moving away from LIFE/NATURE, thinking Man, without Nature, can do -as in CREATING LIFE much better..... MUCH MUCH BETTER than Life/"God"!... With Progress follows DECADENCE!!!...with decadence follows DISASTER.... sooner or later.... maybe it comes in increments, but.... it is still there... -95 or was it -96 Gordon Michael Scallion said that the FALL of the (Western) civilzation would be hastened into being by disasters involving WATER, a lot of water, even if not only by water, causing a lot of DEATH and (other ) destruction and what water (together with the other disasters), couldn't do, FEMA would do!!!....
Is there any Q in your mind???... But IN THE SAME PACE as the OLD is giving way, the NEW is being BIRTHED, by LIFE Itself, assisted by us who know and care!.... : )  



25 Sep 2005 @ 17:43 by jstarrs : No, Astrid, be my guest..
;0)
Zooming out a little, we also have the Kali yuga.
The Jehovah's Witnesses must be delighted with all this, anyway.  



5 Dec 2005 @ 05:19 by oasiian : The trade dispute is worrysome
In the way that if indeed there's a debt problem in 'free' America, especially since America seeks daominance before trade (clearly so in Iraq).
America's economy is also collapsing, and this is bad news, because the soldiers in Iraq see this.
There will likely be a revolution at least over there, before America itself crumbles.
Either that or America will step up its military, regardless economic defecit, and find more reasons to conquer other countries, in search of some way to remove the debt.
I for one think that this whole debt thing is a mask. They're using it to get money from other nations and weaken their stuffs. I mean, do we see the military slowing down any? The civilian society itself is on a very obvious downfall, but the tanks out there blowing things up are still getting a dollar per gas fill.

Stress is likely to increase American Hostility. War will become more open, and they will begin looking for a good reason to fight.
This cannot happen.
We cannot stand by any longer.
I call boycott. I will use nothing oil-based. As it is I bike from place to place.
If it were up to me I'd start a big rebellion right inside America, because they desperately ask for it.  



5 Dec 2005 @ 06:48 by ashanti : Kali Yuga
Yep, things are falling apart here in South Africa as well. Systems and infrastructure collapse. Airports with holes in runways, delaying everyone by 12 hours, causing chaos. Delayed flights now the norm. Check-in systems collapsing, resulting in more delays. Electricity black-outs, sudden realisations that there is not enough power, billing systems that are spitting out wild figures - people being billed for thousands, taking 2 days' leave from work to try and sort out the mess. It has been a sudden, definite development over the last year. South Africa's systems and infrastructure are collapsing. There are frequent riots because of poor or no service delivery. People in Tshwane regularly burning down the train station because the trains are always late. A guy who lost it with the Department of Homes Affairs - trying to get his ID document (in South Africa, you cannot do a thing without your ID document), after months of Kafka-like delays, he finally snapped and took a public official hostage, until he could get his ID. The public supported him. Public Sevice delivery has all but collpased in South Africa. Guess its just part of a global trend.

Kali Yuga indeed. Certainly over here there is a sense of things falling apart.  



5 Dec 2005 @ 12:26 by rayon : Sad about SA but
the national debt situation continues too. As said above, there is a book looking at what people earn in their life and what earnings bring. Basic premis of the book above is that economies suddenly thrive when people are allowed to trade the proper value of their goods/services - and the problem lies with the interest system and gradual inflation which reduces the value.

Dare one even speak of the incredible free things life brings us (in theUK they are talking of putting a tax on the views from people's homes, etc), because someone would then squander the resource, by ordering Nature to provide. Familes add to society, team work adds, small economies of scale add to society, buildings tuning rationale/nature simultaneously add to society. How many other things add to our Societies? Looking after animals adds to Society (ie not slaughtering a nations herd in case of disease). Maintaining a vegetarian diet adds to society. Being Positive, speaking nicely, adds to society. Every one of these adds to Society as a huge whole. The money they take is supposed to fund good things.  



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