en http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v584/ A News Log by Free State Project members. http://www.newciv.org/news/Images/ncnicon2-s.gif http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v584/ 88 31 democritus2@gmail.com webmaster@newciv.org OrgSpace NewsLog 1.67 Tue, 6 May 2008 03:23:56 UT Tue, 6 May 2008 03:23:56 UT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 180 http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000008/#com92739 2008-05-06 03:23: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v550">anandavala</a> on "No money? Without money, I cant buy anything!":<br>Hi Lightcrafter, <br>Some great food for thought here!<br><br>Money, in whatever form it takes, is a medium of exchange to facilitate human interaction. It is like the bio-chemistry of the collective organism.<br><br>Whether it is through direct trade or abstract exchange, some important questions are:<br>What system of interaction do we use? <br>What interactions does it encourage and discourage?<br>What collective phenomena arise out of our individual interactions?<br>How do those collective phenomena impact on individuals, the environment at large and the long term process of evolution of which we are a part.<br><br>I have performed a quick <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v550/__cat/_c6608/Economics" target="_blank">system analysis of my own</a> that is relevant to this subject - you might find some more food for thought there.<br><br>Welcome to NCN Lightcrafter and everyone in Free Society :) http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000008/#com92739 Tue, 6 May 2008 03:23:56 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000008/#com92663 2008-05-01 15:21: comment by delateur on "No money? Without money, I cant buy anything!":<br>And a great method for diverging into thoughts of a more lofty purpose than the practical uses of money, and what money actually represents. I've had a few of these thoughts, because these sorts of ideas come up when you begin to explore anything to do with the IRS or the Federal Reserve. I've come to see money as a very versatile tool and nothing more. In many ways, it is an inadequate tool for the more meaningful pursuits of one's life, and in discovering this, my relationship to money has become much more surreal, as has my desire to possess those things which money can buy. Money does, however, represent to me a very real indicator of my own self-worth, because I've been unemployed for quite some time now, and because I had a fairly significant store of money and the ability to manage its use fairly well, I survived quite well for a bit. When the money ran out, though, I discovered that while I needed it to pay my bills and keep functioning within society, it was not the true goal, only a measure of an even greater goal - to be of use. While these years of joblessness have not been totally kind to me, they have imparted a small bit of wisdom and perspective. They have most certainly given me a much better outlook on what sort of future I would like to be a part of creating, and what sort of role money will play in that future. I can say this, however, that money finds itself completely divorced from wealth except when used in a way that benefits others. This means not only donating to charitable works, but spending deliberately in a way that respects the businesses and people supported through my consumption. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000008/#com92663 Thu, 1 May 2008 15:21:00 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000008/#com92658 2008-05-01 10:22: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v586">deepwater</a> on "No money? Without money, I cant buy anything!":<br>You are being the change that you want to see in the world. A fine example for others to follow for sure, stay with it folks, blessings, I will keep watch.<br>Love and light. http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000008/#com92658 Thu, 1 May 2008 10:22:34 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000007/#com92628 2008-04-30 19:03: comment by a-d on "Survival":<br>"Evolve" when --or in order to be able to-- leave the NOMADIC Life style!.... Mis conception!.... based on the Belief that the Mainstream Society has breastfed us all with...; the one Darwin dreamt up as a CUSTOM JOB for his CLIENT: Queen Victoria:"The Survival of the Fittest /"The Natural Selection".... (I will not go in to how & why these are totally errouneous concepts, but they are!!! )<br>The last 6 to 10 Millenia, Man has NOT E-volved, or even RE-volved but DE-volved!<br>The WHOLE IDEA of SURVIVAL is 100% erroneous!... (HOW many do you know who have SURVIVED?????..... It is all nothing but an MOT Question!...how soon one will die?... at the age of day old or a hundred years old... but death is the result ...not living Life Ever-lasting. THAT --in Cosmic terms-- is NOT "survival"!Then again, Life does NOT know of such concept at all!...It is 100% a Man(made) concept, that we also forced upon Nature!.... When Darwin arrived to Galapagos, what struck him and his Crew was that they could not find ANYTHING dead/remains of anything that had died!....the LAST STRONG HOLD of Planet's Original; God- given/made Life-Everlasting-consciousness still intact, thanks to the Island's remoteness.<br><br>We humans have once again --finally-- come to the point where more & more of us will se/understand --spontaneously, I might add-- that Life really IS MADE to be FOREVER/Life Everlasting.<br>IF we UNDO all the misconceptions about Life and keep our part of the Deal, we WILL live forever, thus the effect of our beingness would be "Immortals", which is NOT a goal that can be reached as a goal in it self...ONLY as a result/effect of RIGHT WAY of LIVING!<br>The VERY FIRST step on that Path is to find your own "Me";( be nothing but "ME"; --in old days called the "Christ" (-beingness/consciousness. Today we would call it being one's own "Authentic Self"). When finding that within ourselves, we will start CHANGING our OUTER Life as well... VERY DRASTICALLY, to say the least! Once (r-)evolved far /high enough on that Path, we once again feel the correctness of NOMADIC Living/beingness, which as it continues to (r-)volve <br>into AMBULATORY life style. They are very similar, but there IS a distinct difference (into which I will not get into now.)<br>Choosing SUSTAINABLE Lifestyle ever more, is the Number One "give away" unto which Path /consciousness people have realized to be the ONE & Only! : )<br><br>THANKS, democritus, for hacking at the Roots (of MIS-Conceptions)!... THANKS for posting such an eloquent Essay! THANKS for being so sharp and so right on the PATH!<br>Tons of Love & encouragement to you!/A-d http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000007/#com92628 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:03:22 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000002/#com92147 2008-04-08 20:17: comment by a-d on "Something to value":<br>for saying the Obvious --and what has been/still is --twisted in the (so called/ s.c.) New Age Movement's Religion: "What you resist persists" meaning that you resisting ('US'; the ESTABLISHMENT/OUR ALL-LIMITING Rules on you, ) is a bad, bad thing and all you do is hurt yourself with more of that shit which you were resisting in the first place; OUR "You-LIMITING" RULES!<br>But they put it in s.c. Spiritual Context as an ALL IMPORTANT, OMNIPOTENT Spiritual Truth-About-Life/Universe; "how Universe works" -thing! Devious! THANK YOU for opposing --and exposing-- their shit! http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000002/#com92147 Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:17:02 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000005/#com92145 2008-04-08 19:17: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v308">vaxen</a> on "General Information about FSP":<br>Yes, I was also wondering the same thing that jazzo voiced above. Felt like a group...now, I find, it is a group! Yahoo! The only way to survive the onslaught of the transformational megadigme shifts coming to the overall 'earth collective' seems to be - to incorporate! <br><br>Incorporation does have its' benefits. The corpus unites, gobbles up everything in sight, expands and either feeds upon itself unto extinction of species or journeys outwards to the 'starzzzzz' where it finds that...it is not wanted! Holo-earth on the holo-deck of the mother ship.<br><br>FSP? How about 'asymmetrical thought' of the kind we find governing the multidimensional megaverse? Got a website? Blogs? Etcetera?<br><br>"VICTORIOUS WARRIORS WIN FIRST... <br>AND THEN GO TO WAR, <br>WHILE DEFEATED WARRIORS GO TO WAR FIRST... <br>AND THEN SEEK TO WIN." Sun tzu <br><br>Training and practice are everything! <br>Without it, the best results are not obtained!<br><br>http://www.blackwaterusa.com/ http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000005/#com92145 Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:17:17 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000002/#com92144 2008-04-08 18:43: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v584">democritus</a> on "Something to value":<br>http://www.newciv.org/mem/persnewslog.php?did=584&vid=584&xmode=show_article&artid=000584-000005&amode=standard&aoffset=0&time=1207679790<br><br>Read those comments- covers it for now. I apologize for not explaining everything at once. We are not being secretative, just not fully ready. Anyway the short version- We are 15 or so individuals united with a shared vision of how to start achieving real and lasting social change to a society that values the individuals authority above all else- while combining that with the compassionate sense that we are all in this together (those who can anyway- some cant yet)<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Capt O http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000002/#com92144 Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:43:40 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000002/#com92142 2008-04-08 18:29: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v308">vaxen</a> on "Something to value":<br>Yes, it is obvious to a lot of Americans who don't seem to be getting all the good press. Grass roots just seem to sprout up, though, with not a whole helluva lot of hullabaloo. Then in the morning Big Brother gets up,yawns, looks out and...WHOAA!! Multiple personality are we? Or are 'you' involved with a group of like minded folk? <br><br>http://www.blackwaterusa.com/ http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000002/#com92142 Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:29:32 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000005/#com92091 2008-04-06 16:17: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v584">democritus</a> on "General Information about FSP":<br>We consider ourselves a bit of a community-family. We are in solidarity in our ideas, and have made a commitment to each other in this regards. We will share our lives in many ways. This is the way it has to start, we believe. A common unity, a common agreement that includes using our shared potential work capital. We will be explaining more in the future, we just did not want to come on too strong :D<br><br>"We" comprises about 15 people that are actively involved and at least another 10-15 that can be called up from past activity. We had a larger number at one time, however, a good many of them, while understanding that this society is not best for them, were not quite ready to dedicate at this time. Hopefully this changes, as what we build can facilitate more and more people. I cannot emphasize enough that we come here humbly, asking for help, and looking for a place to voice our rather controversial opinions.<br><br>BTW- I am going to say this now. However, I will probably write up an article on it as well, just so it is clear. We are not asking for money, we do want to become part of a larger community, and let our ideas be know, and TO HAVE OUR IDEAS IMPROVED BY OTHERS. Peer review, and scientific methodologies are one of humanities greatest tools for logical thought. This does not mean compassion and "love" are out of the equation, just the opposite. Anyway, I just wanted those here to know, that we do not accept donations at this time, and our plan is to use our work capital to grow. Thanks again.<br><br>CO http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000005/#com92091 Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:17:24 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000005/#com92087 2008-04-06 15:14: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v584">democritus</a> on "General Information about FSP":<br>There's a whole bunch of us, each signing our own articles. Some writing styles are different to others, but we all agree on most things.<br>- Xaz http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000005/#com92087 Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:14:12 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000005/#com92084 2008-04-06 10:02: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v63">jazzolog</a> on "General Information about FSP":<br>editorial "we" with which you write...or are there a bunch of you in here? http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000005/#com92084 Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:02:47 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000003/#com92083 2008-04-06 09:55: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v63">jazzolog</a> on "Welcome to the ratrace.":<br>Congratulations on this wonderful Log! It's been a while since somebody landed in here with both feet and ideas flying. You may be wailin' the blues, but the writing is tight and cannot be denied. Carry on! http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000003/#com92083 Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:55:23 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000002/#com92053 2008-04-04 10:19: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v584">democritus</a> on "Something to value":<br>Thanks. On the theme, we are working on it. We published this a little before we were ready. (oops!) Hopefully, we will have something more appealing asap. <br><br>And thanks for the welcome to the community. We have some ideas we will be presenting in the next couple months to outline what we feel can be done now to bring a "better" social construct which means that freedoms of the individual are not comprised by a State, but that each individual is sovereign and the best way to assure that for yourself is through mutual cooperation. Well we have a skeletal model to try to evolve (actually a complete fork) society. <br>Keep in mind, we do not come here with the "answer". Just a decent seed of an idea that can be grown, analyzed, and scientific reasoning can be used to continuously improve a social structure designed to facilitate that core "divine" right of "owning" yourself. And how to get there.<br><br>Who are we to think we can do such a thing? Its got to start somewhere and it has to start right now. Traditional methodologies will not work to bring a change in the root of why most people live and die. <br><br>It is time to hack at the roots.<br><br><br>Captain Obvious http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000002/#com92053 Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:19:48 UT http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000002/#com92048 2008-04-04 07:48: comment by <a href="http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v308">vaxen</a> on "Something to value":<br>Good show mate and welcome aboard! Yeah, resist! Resistance is NOT futile! We are not Borgs we are not chattel slaves to the corporate fictions, including Corp. US! Thanks for the above. Now spread the word fellow human being!<br><br>The US of A was founded on just such a principle and since it has become 'collective,' 'communist,' it is nothing but a lie but...the Republic still lives! Don't Tread On Me is something the wigs who think they have the power are about to find out! Long live freedom! Down with Tyranny of all kinds! Sic Semper Tyrannis!<br><br>Oh, the black on dark green theme you are using doesn't come off so well cause the black fades into the green and one can't see it. Just an observation, mind you. Glad you're here and I look forward to more from you. :) http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000584-000002/#com92048 Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:48:51 UT