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Category: Diary 107 comments 20 Jan 2009 @ 11:53 by susannahbe : Wow...4 different copies of the same article! I have left a comment on one of the other ones :-). 20 Jan 2009 @ 11:55 by ursula : Okay This is weird, what happened to my comment and Martha's that were here before Susannah's? Oh, I just found out - this article posted more than once. 20 Jan 2009 @ 12:16 by jazzolog : Sorry, Tremendous Internet Traffic Today which I think affected my attempts to lift the post off the platform. I'll post those other comments here~~~ 20 Jan 2009 @ 11:29 by susannahbe : Hey there... Although I haven't commented before, I just wanted to say that I shall miss reading your log, especially the ones that recount your recollections, your personal stories, your writing is very evocative and you bring the words alive. I always very much enjoy the quotes you include too. Why go, why not just ban the people who you don't want to comment? If you leave it open for anyone to comment, then you are not taking the control for your space that you want flemming to take for his. :-) So what if there are spaces left when comments are deleted? That's life, some things show battle scars. Look to the future, block the trouble makers and continue what you do so well. Just an opinion, of course LOL. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I don't intend to reply to comments in here...but I got to my workplace and wanted to finish posting this thing---but I see it got did. I don't block, Susannahbe, nor do I delete unless the thing is really untoward. In that way I sorta agree with Ming's approach to things...although he definitely believes in the Block. ---jazz +++++++ 20 Jan 2009 @ 11:24 by medicinedreamer : Jazz I'm sorry to read that this is it for your log, but I understand your feelings. Your input will be missed here. All the best to you on the outside and stay in touch. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 Jan 2009 @ 11:36 by martha : Darn Sure wish you weren't going but as medicinedreamer said I totally understand. Thanks to the malcontent here at NCN this is another example of someone leaving. I repeatedly pointed this abuse out last month when I was attacked by this man. Ming did nothing. The abuse and manipulation will continue here which Ming condones. I also am seriously thinking of leaving NCN and have been searching for another site to do my log. Sure gonna miss you Jazzy. Please stay in touch. 20 Jan 2009 @ 21:35 by quinty : Well, having been flamed I can relate to the burn. Though I have become used to it, or, rather said, not afraid of being burned, since the web is open to many unusual people. And it's all part of the show. But it can all become finally too crazy and frustrating, and I can understand why one would not want to continue. Strange people with their strange hostile fixations can draw a lot of energy from the patient and tolerant moderator of a site on the web. And the focus can become quite sour. A web site is not like one's livingroom, is it? Any character can come waltzing in. I may be a character, too, so perhaps I should watch what I say. Let me make a prediction. Someday there will be classes on how to email and blog, perhaps even at the college level. Certainly in high school. Like it or not the Internet has created a new literary form, one with its own unique syntax and etiquette. And psychologists will obtain grants to study bloggers, how people behave on the web. I didn't link up to your site merely because we knew each other in college, but because I truly enjoyed your entries and the comments accompanying them. And the quotes were also frequently wonderful. I'll miss them, and consider this too as a loss of information about what's going on in the world. But I hope I can understand. 24 Jan 2009 @ 09:42 by ashanti : ... ... 24 Jan 2009 @ 12:43 by jazzolog : West Side Story Somewhere...a place for us... www.upsaid.com/jazzolog/ http://jazzolog.blogspot.com/ {link:http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=52990691} and just this morning~~~ http://wulfshead.blogspot.com/ 24 Jan 2009 @ 13:28 by susannahbe : Consider .... yourself bookmarked :-) 25 Jan 2009 @ 08:07 by ashanti : ... ... 25 Jan 2009 @ 11:37 by jazzolog : The Wulfshead If there are bells and whistles involved in gaining admission to this legendary establishment, it may be you must solve various mysteries to see the wonders inside. 25 Jan 2009 @ 14:57 by ashanti : Hahaha!!!! LOVE it! 28 Jan 2009 @ 19:56 by ashanti : Front Page I guess we are going to be stuck with "Did God invent natural money?" as a lead article for eternity....... 29 Jan 2009 @ 11:50 by martha : Yes Ashanti, obviously ming enjoys the article! hahaha Maybe we can go a whole month with on the front page. Want to make a wager? ********************* And on this last day of January, God and natural money still reign supreme on the front page. i guess there is a message we are missing! 31 Jan 2009 @ 17:02 by jazzolog : It's All A Woman's Fault From the article, ladies~~~ "When natural money was first introduced by Joseph some 4,000 years ago, he was married to Asenath the daughter of the high-priest Poti-pherah. The Bible does not explain much of her, but there are other sources. The question is how reliable they are. I do not know. The only thing that is quite clear to me, is that God is a woman, because this can be logically deducted from the creation story. She might have taken the physical shape of Asenath and this may explain why natural money came into existence 4,000 years ago when Joseph ruled Egypt." http://www.newciv.org/news2/index.htm/_d45/_v45/__show_article/_a000009-000429.htm Lucky Comment #13 31 Jan 2009 @ 21:45 by martha : Every time I read the title of this article this song comes to mind. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp7rZEKClk4) And I'll get back to about that money,she god thingy....later! 1 Feb 2009 @ 09:36 by jazzolog : On That Note Hello, I Must Be Going by Groucho Marx in Animal Crackers certainly is more appropriate for the NCN milieu. Now of course if Groucho resembled Sarah Brightman, from your link Martha, this long-winded farewell could be a good deal more snuggly. http://www.allgigs.co.uk/images/object/artist/10493/Sarah_Brightman-1-250-250-85-nocrop.jpg If this is God, where do I sign up? 1 Feb 2009 @ 12:00 by martha : The eye of god http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/-/7/eye_of_god.jpg ******************************************************** The Helix Nebula from La Silla Observatory Explanation: Will our Sun look like this one day? The Helix Nebula is one of brightest and closest examples of a planetary nebula, a gas cloud created at the end of the life of a Sun-like star. The outer gasses of the star expelled into space appear from our vantage point as if we are looking down a helix. The remnant central stellar core, destined to become a white dwarf star, glows in light so energetic it causes the previously expelled gas to fluoresce. The Helix Nebula, given a technical designation of NGC 7293, lies about 700 light-years away towards the constellation of Aquarius and spans about 2.5 light-years. The above picture was taken by the Wide Field Imager on the 2.2-meter Telescope at the European Southern Observatory's La Silla Observatory. A close-up of the inner edge of the Helix Nebula shows complex gas knots of unknown origin. ---added by jazzolog 1 Feb 2009 @ 12:12 by ashanti : Will God be able to.... ....fix our Front Page? It's still there. Of course its all woman's fault, we are responsible for everything, including birth and nurturing (or should be, the current world devalues that role now, and favours vicious women-on-steroids imitating men). I'm predicting we're stuck with Did God invent natural money forever....... Awesome picture, Martha, the Eye indeed. Source? 2 Feb 2009 @ 12:41 by martha : hahaha ashanti great comment......I believe source is sexless and doesn't give a damn about money. Men however do give a damn about money. You do notice that all the money in the good old US of A have men on them except for the Susan B. Anthony coin. A token woman! hahaha 2 Feb 2009 @ 14:10 by jazzolog : Babes On Bucks or maybe bucks for babes. Martha's comment is yet more proof that the female God invented money. Obviously they have all these guys on money to prove their power over us...and to amuse and excite themselves. If men invented money, we'd have pictures of Playboy Bunnies on currency. And Ashanti's question about "source" may not have been theological. She may have wondered merely where you got the picture. If that's it, right-click the photo, then click Properties, and the URL will show up. 8 Feb 2009 @ 17:39 by SWAN @64.131.39.132 : Some things never change I stumbled upon NCN during and internet search today. I haven't been here for a number of years. Was a very active member for about three years and left for the reasons mentioned in this log. I am a little surprised that this kind of activity continues...or maybe I am not. Hello to all the friends who are still here that I connected with in the past! I hope you are all well. 8 Feb 2009 @ 17:41 by SWAN @64.131.39.132 : P.S "Thanks so much NCN for providing the opportunity to meet the valuable folks who are helping me on my way! Farewell!" 8 Feb 2009 @ 18:02 by vaxen : Message Board? Let's face it. You can spend all the money in the world. You can do all the big alliances and all the fancy joint ventures. But when it comes down to the brass tacks, your mum was right. Say please. Say thank you. Say sorry. And say hello. 8 Feb 2009 @ 18:41 by jazzolog : I Presume the thank you note was from Black Swan. 8 Feb 2009 @ 18:46 by ashanti : Yep Sure sounds like her. I wasn't around when she left, so never really knew what went down. I do know I was away from NCN for quite a while, and when I returned, quite a few people that I had known had left - Swan being one of them. 8 Feb 2009 @ 20:07 by vaxen : ... Storm passes, all words gone. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/25/AR2008052501779.html 9 Feb 2009 @ 00:31 by jerryvest : Best wishes to you, Richard. You were very supportive of my posts and encouraging when I expressed a message about my anguish about prostate cancer. I loved reading your articles and appreciate the research, investigation and quality of your entries. I'm really too busy these days to post much and only wish I had more time to comment here. Please let me know if you are posting on another site. Good bye, my friend. Jerry 9 Feb 2009 @ 04:39 by vaxen : Yeah... Turbo Vestri Hostilis 9 Feb 2009 @ 08:48 by vaxen : Census? Here we go with a bit of Samizdata. Hopefully before jazzolog exits the house... http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/2009/02/is_a_white_hous.html 9 Feb 2009 @ 10:04 by jazzolog : Jerry Vest, A True Saint Jerry's basic sanity, both in approach and presence, ought to be a model for NCN members. I know we'll always stay in touch. I'll say again that I am not dissolving membership in this site nor taking this Log down. I'm just not adding to it anymore nor working for what I hoped would be betterment of NCN...and that includes editing the Log entries on the front page. The reason is the activity of the very bozo, now in his happy-go-lucky polarity, currently pretending just above to be the host of this entry. 9 Feb 2009 @ 19:59 by vaxen : Not pretending... anything. As for bozo? Sticks and stones. I was simply giving Jerry the links to your other blogs as Jerry asked: "Please let me know if you are posting on another site." - JerryVest He had obviously not read the comment wherein you gave your links, ;) Sam gatchadwam, sam vadadwam, sam vo manamsi jnanatam... Turbo Vestri Hostilis "I tell you a truth, liberty is the best of all things, my son, never live under a slavish bond." – Sir William Wallace's Uncle USN Beach Jumpers: "To assist and support the operating forces in the conduct of Tactical Cover and Deception in Naval Warfare" "To plan and execute Psychological Operations in support of commands to which it has been assigned". "Assisting Commanders in the planning and conduct of tactical military deception operations." "That I am, Sonic Hedgehog," Boreas answered, "and I no longer need the title Dark King, for I shall rule over the cosmos for all eternity." http://prowerforce.webs.com/projects/mishiranu/sonicunknown/chap16.txt 9 Feb 2009 @ 20:59 by ursula : Jazz well, there always is the "block" feature. 9 Feb 2009 @ 22:19 by jazzolog : Mired In Pretense The block is a shabby excuse for a site that attracts seekers of spiritual progress...and is loaded with all kinds of so-called therapists. Yet, people come in here specifically to ball things up and run amok in egomania. And absolutely nothing is done about it. Even civilizations that crumbled apart centuries ago fare better than this "new" place. **Edited** 9 Feb 2009 @ 22:24 by ursula : Because, Jazz it allows a variety of nasty energies onto your blog - it is abusive - therefore, it transfers to those (including the general public) who read your blog. Do you enjoy playing in these energies? If not, then why permit it? 10 Feb 2009 @ 00:55 by jazzolog : A Good Point Medsdreamer I hadn't looked at it that way. However, I feel the "energies" of a networking site ultimately are managerial function. Ordinary citizens ought not have to be vigilantes organizing posses to hunt down the evildoers. I've never been entertained by the description of "wild west" about NCN. In this case, it may be the webmaster has been overwhelmed and lynched. So, I'm just going to shut down my little effort and move to the outskirts. In fact, I already have 10 Feb 2009 @ 01:33 by ursula : Yes You have the alternate places on the net, and you still have the option to control your own blog here with the block that is given to you so the webmaster doesn't have to get involved in each and every incident. It's a click of the button and you get rid of the abuse...much easier than hunting down somebody. 10 Feb 2009 @ 05:20 by vaxen : Abuse... in the eyes of the pre-judicial beholder alone. Kind of like Israel and the Palestinians. There are a multiple of views to any faction. You can choose to call it victimization or see it for what it really is...an attempt at dialogue. **Edited** AUM Shanti, Shanti... re·doubt·able Pronunciation: \ri-ˈdau̇-tə-bəl\ Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English redoutable, from Anglo-French, from reduter to dread, from re- + duter to doubt Date: 15th century 1: causing fear or alarm : formidable 2: illustrious , eminent ; broadly : worthy of respect "when a group or a phenomena starts getting defined, we all realize that once again, we're only human beings, warts and all.. this is the time to move on, and to create another scene where there are no words to pursue and define the alien within us." - @Om* 2/4/2000 10 Feb 2009 @ 06:03 by ursula : No, it's not Abuse is CLEARLY DEFINED and LEGALLY DEFINED - it is NOT in the eyes of the beholder. **Edited** 10 Feb 2009 @ 16:25 by martha : He who will not be named... **Edited** Identifying a Pathological Liar Pathological liars, or "mythomaniacs," may be suffering from histrionic personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder. The following comments basically reflect a pathological liar who has the characteristics of histrionic personality disorder. Some characteristics: 1. Exaggerates things that are ridiculous. 2. One-upping. Whatever you do, this person can do it better. You will never top them in their own mind, because they have a concerted need to be better than everyone else. This also applies to being right. If you try to confront an individual like this, no matter how lovingly and well-intentioned you might be - this will probably not be effective. It's threatening their fantasy of themselves, so they would rather argue with you and bring out the sharp knives than admit that there's anything wrong with them. 3. They "construct" a reality around themselves. They don't value the truth, especially if they don't see it as hurting anyone. If you call them on a lie and they are backed into a corner, they will act very defensively and say ugly things (most likely but depends on personality), but they may eventually start to act like, "Well, what's the difference? You're making a big deal out of nothing!" (again, to refocus the conversation to your wrongdoing instead of theirs). 4. Because these people don't value honesty, a lot of times they will not value loyalty. So watch what you tell them. They will not only tell others, but they will embellish to make you look worse. Their loyalty is fleeting, and because they are insecure people, they will find solace in confiding to whomever is in their favor at the moment. 5. They may be somewhat of a hypochondriac. This can come in especially useful when caught in a lie, for example, they can claim that they have been sick, or that there's some mysteriously "illness" that has them all stressed out. It's another excuse tool for their behavior. 6. Obviously, they will contradict what they say. This will become very clear over time. They usually aren't smart enough to keep track of so many lies (who would be?). Here are some ways to tell someone is a pathological liar contributed by another WikiAnswers Contributor: They lie about even the smallest things. For example, saying "I brushed my teeth today," when they didn't. They add exaggerations to every sentence. They change their story all the time. They act very defensively when you question their statements. They believe what they say is true, when everyone else knows it isn't. Here's an alternate "checklist": Lies when it is very easy to tell the truth. Lies to get sympathy, to look beter, to save their butt, etc. Fools people at first but once they get to know him, no one believes anything they ever say. May have a personality disorder. Extremely manipulative. Has been caught in lies repeatedly. Never fesses up to the lies. Is a legend in their own mind. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_you_tell_if_someone_is_a_pathological_liar) 10 Feb 2009 @ 21:45 by ursula : Martha the pathological liar's profile reminds me of Carly Simon's song about the narcissist "You're So Vain" - a legend in his own demented and depraved mind. 10 Feb 2009 @ 22:17 by jazzolog : Deletion In Comment Above **Edited** There are almost no rules at NCN. Here is one: you don't flame or discuss a member insultingly on a Public Log, and this is such a Log. And it's probably not a good idea to throw up a quotation from the person you dislike (especially) without obtaining permission. **Edited** I celebrate a nation of laws and a civilization of justice. **Edited** 10 Feb 2009 @ 22:44 by vaxen : We know... that about you, Richard. **Edited** 11 Feb 2009 @ 00:45 by ursula : Typical **Edited** 11 Feb 2009 @ 08:11 by vaxen : Heh, heh... **Edited** In any case jazzolog has already said that this is his last entry, pity that, so I presume this means the start of a new period in his timeline for NCN. My timeline is quite different however. **Edited** 11 Feb 2009 @ 12:22 by ursula : Last comment **Edited** 11 Feb 2009 @ 14:54 by jazzolog : The Justice Of Karma The enforcement of law is not always a function of civic entities or occuring within borders and boundaries that some people neither recognize or respect. **Edited** Every member I've ever communicated with after they've quit say the same thing: what a pity this technology and platform never fulfilled its potential. There isn't another one as good anywhere...up until now. 12 Feb 2009 @ 00:46 by martha : x x 12 Feb 2009 @ 01:27 by jazzolog : I Must Be Going I feel a lot Marx Brothers tonight...but let us contemplate~~~ Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark, in the hopeless swamps of the approximate, the not-quite, the not-yet, the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish, in lonely frustration for the life you deserved, but have never been able to reach. Check your road and the nature of your battle. The world you desired can be won. It exists, it is real, it is possible, it is yours. - Ayn Rand - Russian-born American Author = Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Mark Twain - American Author = "Come to the edge." "We can't. We're afraid." "Come to the edge." "We can't. We will fall!" "Come to the edge." And they came. And he pushed them. And they flew. Guillaume Apollinaire, 1880-1918 12 Feb 2009 @ 01:41 by ursula : and a big HELLO to you, Jazz. http://members.tripod.com/Cleo256/marx/songs.html Thought you could have fun with the original song. ################################################## Our lovely shape-shifter's link takes you to Groucho's big number, which of course I was referencing in my comment above. Thank you friend, I love a good tune with which to close the show! ---jazz 12 Feb 2009 @ 01:54 by vaxen : ... ... 13 Feb 2009 @ 10:46 by jazzolog : Another Fine Mess You've Gotten Me Into I may as well continue with the great old slapstick comics as I persevere in my effort to get off stage. Three individual members of NCN have flashed their conflicting views in this article's thread, and all three have requested removal of their names and references to them in the others' comments. I tried to edit them out one by one, but it's all taking too much time and becoming increasingly impossible. The comments are starting to look like the bombed-out shells I complained about in the main entry. I think the only thing to do is delete everything that I think flames at the others. This will be subjective I suppose, and I don't have time to do it right now. I believe one of the members has formally resigned from this site, but if the other two would edit their own comments it would help me. More...and hopefully the conclusion of all this...later. 13 Feb 2009 @ 14:31 by martha : Hey Jazz I changed one of my comments but felt leaving up pathological liar was still quite relevent. Cheers and best to you. 13 Feb 2009 @ 17:38 by vaxen : Bicameral... stage 2. Well I sympathize with jazzolog so I'll post a brief summary of some items I deem helpful towards resolving the present situation and a link to further ellucidation wherein the subject matter of 'conflict' is enlightningly discussed. Making others "wrong" is a central aspect of bicameral stage 2. So dinging is quintessential bicameral-stage-2 behavior. The more or less automatic and unconscious reaction of feeling bad or upset after being dinged is also quintessential bicameral-stage-2 behavior. At this time, dinging is a central aspect of most, possibly all human cultures. Young humans tend to engage in a great deal of dinging, sometimes viciously so. My father was a compulsive dinger. For every good thing he said about anyone or anything, he probably said ten or more bad things. He was also a compulsive dingee with a violent temper. He seemed to live in a world full of dingers determined to ding him at every opportunity. If you work at a job, chances are that you get dinged at least once a day. If you have to deal with bureaucrats (both in government and large corporations), you may experience being dinged. You might even get frustrated -- i.e., make yourself feel frustrated! On the back cover of 'Metaphors We Live By' by George Lakoff and Mark Johnson: Take the conceptual metaphor ARGUMENT IS WAR. We say: "He attacked every weak point in my argument:; "Your claims are indefensible"; "I demolished his argument." But as the authors write, "It is important that to see that we don't just talk about arguments in terms of war. We can actually win or lose arguments. We see the person we are arguing with as an opponent. We attack his positions and we defend our own... It is in this sense that the ARGUMENT IS WAR metaphor is one we live by in this culture; it structures the actions we perform in arguing." I expect that by becoming more aware of the dinging phenomenon, and repeatedly dedinging yourself, you can take major steps toward transcending bicameral stage 2. I also expect that by advancing to a more conscious stage, you can become considerably more productive -- see 'The Bicameral Model of the Mind': (a) You have largely mastered your feelings and emotions. (b) You have the ability to critically examine every concept, every thought, every action. (c) You strive to increase your competence in every aspect of your life. (d) You carefully observe the results you produce, using that as feedback to improve your concepts, thoughts, communications, and actions. (e) Producing results is paramount. http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl12a.shtml ☼☼☼ 13 Feb 2009 @ 19:19 by ashanti : ... ... 13 Feb 2009 @ 19:27 by susannahbe : , . 13 Feb 2009 @ 20:02 by vaxen : ... KINGSLEY WIMBUSH "Subtle Internal Suppression" http://www.ronsorg.org/tableofcontents/SIS%20Handling.htm 14 Feb 2009 @ 00:27 by quinty : I remember once becoming involved in a verbal slugfest as a kid and asking the participants to cease and desist. Instead they happily turned on me for my arrogance. Okay. The problem was, they were cudgeling each other verbally, drawing blood. I was embarrassed for them, for the human race, and perhaps mostly for myself. In this particular I was actually quite innocent. So I thought I would speak up. And did. And when my uncalled for words landed in the midst of this verbal onslaught the two contenders simultaneously turned on me. Frankly, I was quite shocked. I had thought my superiority in this matter was obvious. After all, it wasn’t me engaging in this vituperative, blood thirsty back and forth, attempting to get the better over my adversary by any means. But since drawing blood had become the point of the exercise my interjection merely opened up a new venue. And they were not about to be put down by some intruder they didn't even know. So when the vicious verbal blood letting ended they walked away triumphant and happy, the best of friends. Is this simply what it means to be human? Apparently, it does. As well as many other things. We have been gifted and cursed with the possibility to be many, many things. But some of us simply can’t come up out of the mire. Some of us may even feel at home there and like it: so long as the attention doesn’t lose its focus or weaken. A narcissistic gibberish expressive of much through nothing is mostly expressive of brain rot. Pure and simple. While we bludgeon ourselves we have more defenses than former Bush felons have to justify themselves. This truly is embarrassing for ourselves and, yes, the human race. 14 Feb 2009 @ 03:32 by vaxen : ... quinty... Critical Human Problem #1: Ignorance and fear propagate faster, memetically and biologically, than reason and love. http://www.brainsturbator.com/articles/10_ways_you_can_fight_fascism_around_the_world/ 14 Feb 2009 @ 11:08 by jazzolog : In Conclusion hopefully. I did the editing (not easy!) and put "**Edited**" wherever I thought we were so insulting in the argument that guidelines for a Public Log were violated. The purpose of the rules is to protect those of us who have lives and careers offline that could be damaged through a casual Google search of something like this. However, I still apologize to all for the editing. I don't like tampering with people's expressed ideas. I think the thread makes sense and that the basic disagreements still stand. Those arguments are important not only for this site, but for learning to communicate and negotiate online---which still is new territory. I think Flemming understands this, but prefers for people to duke it out by ourselves. The calming in the most recent comments shows that something has been learned in this war of flames...but there have been casualties. Maybe my Log is among them, but I mourn most the lost members of NCN over precisely this atmosphere. Anyway, I've had my say...and so Farewell, NCN jazzoLOG. Now children, don't make me come back in here! :-) One day Chao-chou fell down in the snow, and called out, "Help me up! Help me up!" A monk came and lay down beside him. Chao-chou got up and went away. ---Zen koan The best way out is always through. ---Robert Frost Truly, I say to you, whosoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it. ---Luke 18: 17 14 Feb 2009 @ 12:09 by istvan : For Valentine. [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg8Db7VNgL0 ] 15 Feb 2009 @ 00:59 by ashanti : Epilogue for Jazzolog ... 15 Feb 2009 @ 02:28 by Ursula @98.151.20.30 : dead zone Now that a group of us have left in the same week, NCN will be a real dead zone. To life, love, and authenticity: Ashanti, Martha, Richard, and the other friend who has also left. Gone for good... 15 Feb 2009 @ 03:31 by vaxen : Ashanti Aweh my bokkie... you soeking with me? Been too long in the bossies hae ye? Leavin us dik bek? Too much dop made ya doos? Ek se Richards droe wors and the lekker company ya been keepin hae gesuip'd ya. The kerels are comin ta moer ma se poes. N.A.F.F.I., ne? Gaan vlieg in jou moer! I smaak you stukkend, voertsek! Time for all the self righteous, the perfect, and the pure who were victimized by the "copypasta and delete monster" to collectively gloat, leave the place and go on a rut of self pity. False friend, there is a table on that mountain. Come dine with me there. You'll know me by my horns and the stench of sulpher coming forth from my glass. Repetition is one of the main techniques of propaganda. Looks like some buttons were pushed and a hidden course well fed. Go in peace, I'd like to say, but I can no longer wish you peace nor will I... "Meat shouldn't be braaied on a braai grid. It should lie there between the hot coals, fighting for its life," Zuma Israeli troops shot and killed zoo animals By Ashraf Helmi, Videographer, and Megan Hirons, Photographer Published: January 25, 2009, 23:25 http://archive.gulfnews.com/images/09/01/25/26_rg_gaza_zoo07_4.jpg The Gaza Zoo reeks of death. But zookeeper Emad Jameel Qasim doesn't appear to react to the stench as he walks around the animals' enclosures. A month ago, it was attracting families - he says the zoo drew up to 1,000 visitors each day. He points at the foot-long hole in the camel in one of the enclosures. "This camel was pregnant, a missile went into her back," he tells us. "Look, look at her face. She was in pain when she died." Around every corner, inside almost every cage are dead animals, who have been lying in their cages since the Israeli incursion. Qasim doesn't understand why they chose to destroy his zoo. And it's difficult to disagree with him. Most of them have been shot at point blank range. "The first thing the Israelis did was shoot at the lions - the animals ran out of their cage and into the office building. Actually they hid there." http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/09/01/26/10278858.html 15 Feb 2009 @ 10:51 by jazzolog : Noise In The Rec Room I really didn't want to come back in here, but it appears things just won't settle down. Ashanti, I'm sure that when I left yesterday, your comment from Friday that began with the Eliot quote still was there. Anything I edited I marked as such. Nor do I understand why Susannahbe would come in here 10 minutes later and just leave her nickname. Of course maybe she wrote something and then deleted it herself, which is what I thought may have happened. Things can be tricky with the comment box, but I don't think I went near your message, Ashanti. Now for the remark just above. I have a rather prominent friend here who is South African. As a result we have a translation of the comment, which I am reproducing~~~ ###################################### 15 Feb 2009 @ 03:31 by vaxen : Ashanti Aweh my bokkie... you soeking with me? Been too long in the bossies hae ye? Leavin us dik bek? Too much dop made ya doos? Ek se Richards droe wors and the lekker company ya been keepin hae gesuip'd ya. The kerels are comin ta moer ma se poes. N.A.F.F.I., ne? Gaan vlieg in jou moer! I smaak you stukkend, voertsek! Time for all the self righteous, the perfect, and the pure who were victimized by the "copypasta and delete monster" to collectively gloat, leave the place and go on a rut of self pity. False friend, there is a table on that mountain. Come dine with me there. You'll know me by my horns and the stench of sulpher coming forth from my glass. Repetition is one of the main techniques of propaganda. Looks like some buttons were pushed and a hidden course well fed. Go in peace, I'd like to say, but I can no longer wish you peace nor will I... "Meat shouldn't be braaied on a braai grid. It should lie there between the hot coals, fighting for its life," Zuma ###################################### The first and last sections are in a crude form of Afrikaans, which my friend translates as follows~~~ "Awww, my buck, are you looking for a fight? Been too long in the bush, have you? Leaving us all pissed off? Too much alcohol made you a cunt? I say Richard's dry sausage and the wonderful company you have been keeping has made you drunk. The boys are coming to assault your cunt. Go and run away, in your cunt. I like you dead, fuck off. "'Meat should not be barbequed on a barbeque, it should lie there between the hot coals, fighting for its life' - Jacob Zuma" Mr. Zuma has been a political figure in South Africa, and suspected of rape and corruption. His remark and a photo of him setting up the barbecue can be seen here {link:http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2089962,00.html} . I believe Vaxen has told us in the past that he has links with the old apartheid Afrikaner intelligence community in South Africa, and recently has been doing work for them. Ashanti is South African, and her Log presented life there, political, cultural and its breathtaking natural beauty. http://www.news24.com/Images/Photos/2007032713105627_ZumaBraai220.jpg 15 Feb 2009 @ 16:05 by ming : Noise Handing out death threats is of course in no way acceptable here. Some clarifications are hopefully forthcoming, but from a quick {link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_African_slang_words|look} around on the net, it is quite apparent to me that "I smaak you stukkend" means (in current slang) something like "I love you to pieces" or "I love you to death", which is something quite different from "I like you dead". Not that the rest of the message sounds exactly friendly, but it would make some difference. 15 Feb 2009 @ 18:25 by mortimer : yoh # smaak - to like another person or thing # smaak stukkend - to like very much or to love to pieces (literal meaning of stukkend). "I smaak you stukkend" = "I love you madly". Ashanti wants to leave (or worse, attack a friend) for the copy & paste thing, then so be it. That is the weirdest reason for leaving i have heard yet. And like Vax is the one who started the flood. Ashanti must have missed it when we were flooded with all the psycho stuff. I can find hundreds of links and bring them back here for you. And there is an abundance of tirade for you to browse, all copy & pasted. Ashanti must have missed it when we were flooded with political propaganda. And what about that Jazzo politico stuff, nobody said anything about turning newciv into a political campaign for the presidency. No nobody said anything, but Jazzo whines about too many therapist here on newciv. That is a joke jazzo ennit, you HIT us hard with politics. A lot of members hit us hard with the politics. I don't see any therapists posting articles. But I see lackey members keeping up with the Jones. And you still my friend, even tho i have no confidence in any government, I accept you as you being you, doing your thing, politics. Never said a word about it until now. An what about this Rusyn courting Jazzo, that is another joke, Jazzo and Rysun do not align on any topic except one thing, they both don't like Vaxen. Read Quinty story again with that in mind. I suggest NCN ban all of you. Ban your entire ip subnet to be sure you don't come back. Last thing NCN needs is some members turning into kamikaze pilots like you all have, no integrity. Few members messed up and you all know it, you lost respect and so now you want to destroy the whole network. kamikaze pilots. Good ridden on one hand and thank you on the other, thank you for all the fertilizer. 15 Feb 2009 @ 21:00 by jazzolog : Noisome The webmaster has arrived. Now we'll get some resolution and jazzoLOG can be left to sink peacefully to the bottom. Mortimer, how ya doin' buddy? As shrewd as ever. OK, let's try the new translation~~~ "Awww, my buck, are you looking for a fight? Been too long in the bush, have you? Leaving us all pissed off? Too much alcohol made you a cunt? I say Richard's dry sausage and the wonderful company you have been keeping has made you drunk. The boys are coming to assault your cunt. Go and run away, in your cunt. I love you madly, I love you to pieces, I love you to death. "'Meat should not be barbequed on a barbeque, it should lie there between the hot coals, fighting for its life' - Jacob Zuma" Maybe it's like "till death do us part." Till death chops us to pieces. Possibly it's a marriage proposal! Out of the frying pan, into the fire. Or maybe we'll cut out your private parts and roast 'em...with you still attached. Do you suppose that works better than waterboarding? 15 Feb 2009 @ 21:00 by jmarc : Gone for good says the mirror, yet it still speaks. How strange. Gone for good, yet still here. Unless of course cyber self awareness has finally been achieved and the computer has taken on a mind of its own. If past is prologue we should know that gone for good is a very relative term and gone for good is anywhere from a day to a couple of years. I'm gone for good, but I must come back to save you all,and and totellyou that I'm gone for good, but then if things don't be goin my way why, I'll be gone for good. Face up to it people your not gone for good. Your threatening to be gone for good if things don't go your way. WOLF!! WOLF!!! WOLF!!!! 15 Feb 2009 @ 21:27 by jazzolog : Wuff Wuff Indeed jmarc:. . . 2009-02-15 18:13:31 You are right Bushman, there is room for everyone, and yes, of course they will be back. At least it is to be hoped. Sometimes you have to speak up even if it will hurt or ruin a friendship. Time heals. Yes, light and dark and all shades of grey. There's room for everyone. Nowhere, never, and certainly not in this article have I declared myself resigned from NCN. I'm letting go of this particular feature of the site for myself. I'll comment at other Logs, maybe visit the Chats, but essentially spend a lot less time here. Obviously it hasn't worked out for me at NCN, in any way that would encourage me to work on the place or relationships in it. There are other sites where I feel more welcome. But there are some nice people here...and of course we hope more will come in. 15 Feb 2009 @ 21:32 by bushman : lol Um, not that I care, just thought I would mention Jazz, you copyed and pasted something from a members only area into a public log, lol. 15 Feb 2009 @ 22:25 by jmarc : actually jazzo I was responding to 15 Feb 2009 @ 02:28 by Ursula @98.151.20.30 not to you, but I guess you can take it as you will. No harm done on the C&P but Bushman does have a point. Rules only seem to apply here if they suit us. "Not that I care". 15 Feb 2009 @ 23:30 by jazzolog : Time For Pruning OK Bushman, I knew it when I did it. It was naughty. You're such a stickler for the rules. I confess. No need for torture. No need to call me a cunt. Bushman, Jmarc, you ever call someone a cunt? 16 Feb 2009 @ 00:03 by susannahbe : Jazzolog just an observation, you seem quite taken with the word cunt? I think Vaxen said it once maybe twice at most in the chat rooms, but since then you must have said it at least 10 times or more (a lot of them in the public areas) while seemingly outraged at his use of it, why is that? Respectfully Susannah 16 Feb 2009 @ 00:15 by bushman : :} Um no I havent, but of course that was because my Dad would have kicked my Ass, and because Im not versed in nastiness. But anyway, I wasnt accually pointing out any peticular rule or law, hence the "Not that I care" comment. What I was pointing out was maybe a little neticate, even though I do understand that it all depends on ones upbringing really. Like here in the USA, parents constantly tell thier kids to not put thier elbows on the table, where in France, parents constantly tell thier kids not to put thier hands in thier laps. I tend to agree with France in that I wouldnt want people Im having dinner with to feel uneasy that I might be pointing my gun at them, lol. Just my point of view. :} Also, I can agree that some rules and laws are made specificaly to be broken at any given time for what ever logical reason make breaking the rules or law a better choice. I mean in most US States, you would get a ticket for running/rolling thru a Stop sign, but a few States let it slide and others just give a warning, Hence the term "California Stop". One thing I like about AZ is they are semi flexable, like if you have CA licence plates they will give you a warning, but if you have AZ licence plates they give you a ticket, because Stop means Stop in all States. Now dont get me wrong Jazz, Im not playing Policeman, I'm jsut a concerned citizen who really dislikes it when people run Stop signs for no good reason. :} 16 Feb 2009 @ 00:21 by jmarc : Jazzo "In my heart I have sinned". Not lately though. How about you? (DISCLOSURE: I link to a website that does that regularly, but he calls men that. It may be a british thing). 16 Feb 2009 @ 00:31 by jazzolog : Thank You Susannah...And Yes I have used the term a lot. You have no idea how horrible it is for me to have it in the main entry here. The reason is~~~it's the whole point. "Cunt" is the most obscene insult you can deliver---to man or woman. Yes, you can call a guy a cunt. That insult was delivered, and the people thus insulted responded in protest. The result was about as limp as the webmaster's comment up above. What does that tell you about a New Civilization? Anything goes? I don't want that world. I've lived in it for the past quarter century, and there was nothing new about it. The women who were called cunts---because they had a different opinion of what is beautiful in life---have left. Many others have gone before them, you have no idea. At what point, Susannah, do you stand up and say, Enough? Here, to me? Or is there a bigger issue? I wish you well in discovering the answer among your playmates at NCN. 16 Feb 2009 @ 00:48 by susannahbe : Well... my advice first of all (though not asked for) would be, if you find it so offensive then stop saying it and bringing it into the main area and prolonging the whole issue. From an observers point of view, and I speak as one, it seems, to put it bluntly a little like what we here in the UK would call 'shit stirring' is that a term used in the US too? You are fanning flames and in my opinion prolonging the issue. The word Cunt is a good old fashioned old english word for well, a womens 'cunt' see link (http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2003/10/taboo_for_who) and here (http://floriesa.blogspot.com/2009/01/cunt.html). It is funny what trouble 4 letters can cause, shows how mankind can create its own taboos. Perhaps it is a culteral thing. Cunt is commonly used in the UK as a swear word in much the same way as fuck is, and a lot of women have reclaimed the word cunt for their genitals preferring to other more sanitised names. Cunt is a good honest word and if your cultural sensibilities in the US don't think that, then please for goodness sake stop saying it. Respectfully ;-) Susannah 16 Feb 2009 @ 01:27 by istvan : SWEET Dreams For the years of membership at NCN I can only come up with one conclusion (link below), and sadly say have not been either disappointed, nor impressed by the realization; we are not yet the ones "we"(maybe just me)have been waiting for. Then again, HERE WE ARE![ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQHrspjw4aA ]. 16 Feb 2009 @ 10:40 by jmarc : 7 words you cant say on NCN. Mr. Karlin would be rolling in his grave. 16 Feb 2009 @ 11:02 by susannahbe : jmarc I had to google that to know what you were referring to (http://www.lyricsbox.com/george-carlin-lyrics-the-seven-words-you-can-never-say-on-tv-268qwb7.html) as I wasn't familiar with it before. 24 Feb 2009 @ 18:28 by celestial : GOBBLES SQUABBLES. It grieves me to see highly educated people anxious to squabble. There are consequences for everything WE do ... and say. YOUR WORDS BE UNTO YOURSELF. "Death and life are in the power of the tongue..." 24 Feb 2009 @ 21:15 by jazzolog : Is There A Nero In The House? There have been more deletions and changes to this threadbare thread. I barely understand what's left myself. Well, I didn't before either. The Webmaster has disabled the Combined News Log link for members, which I always found handy for discovering new posts and comments. He says it has been a source of abuse. I wonder how that was so. He also promises to remove the Member Conversation Rooms (the Chats) because abuse in there has not brought forward the "spirit of NCN." That certainly is true, but I don't understand this solution to the problem. It prompted a comment by me in the Mediation Room~~~ If there is abuse of the "spirit of NCN," it follows there must be abusers. Instead of identifying the bad apples, and working out with them why the guidelines are ignored, Ming will empty all the apples out onto the ground and throw away the barrels. 25 Feb 2009 @ 00:25 by quinty : Threadless threads.... I would gladly be a Nero. If I can have the barrels. Phhuphff on the apples. This Mediation Room (Meditation Room?) Do they have a pool table in there? (Since I liked some of these phrases I couldn't let them pass by, unheralded, unremarked upon, barely noticed. Except by those who read them.) Sometimes disaster brings out the best in us. (By the way, did you hear on today's news that that hero pilot who ditched a plane in the Hudson and saved all lives onboard has lost his pension, as well as receiving a reduction in salary? He blames his - and his fellow pilots' - fall on deregulation. Something Reagan brought about many years ago. Well, some could point out he teaches at Berkeley. And that everyone is crazy in Berkeley. But ah jee, even if he does doesn't he get some points for competence, intelligence, decency, and being a hero? Does anyone remember any incidents of like behavior during the Bush years, in the Bush White House? Where if they even tried to turn off the lights at night they probably set off the water sprinklers? And the tanks would roll down Pennsylvania Avenue? 25 Feb 2009 @ 09:39 by jazzolog : Penniless Heroes There are heroes sitting homeless at every American curbside these days. Yes, I never tire of reminding people Reagan's first action at President was to bust the traffic air controllers union strike. Now we don't have enough controllers...and we get a crash in Buffalo. Since Reagan this country has been on a rampage against unions and the working class. And those dudes were the very ones to cross party lines and elect the jerk...and the Repubs afterwards. Hopefully a wakeup call is in the air. Good talking with you Quinty. 25 Feb 2009 @ 15:37 by quinty : That for me is what is so profoundly sad. As Thomas Frank asked, "what's the matter with Kansas?" When Hitler rose to power, as we all know, he was not only backed by industrialists (some American) and reactionaries but by a large segment of the workingclass. Once having ridden around on a variety of commuter trains outside Frankfurt attempting to find the right connection, accompanied by a variety of German laborers smoldering emptiness and hate, I can vaguely imagine what it must have been like. Here, well we know how the brutality expresses itself: guns, god, flag waving, immigrant bashing, on and on. As Pogo put it: "We have met the enemy and he is us." We don’t know if Obama is going to succeed or not. But these are the people the Republican Party is reaching out to: the Jindals and Sarah Palins. No wonder they are seen as merely obstructionists, bereft of ideas, putting their bets on the large chance that Obama will fail. 25 Feb 2009 @ 15:39 by quinty : And those who say tax cuts and focussed spending (the Republican approach) is the answer...... Please!!!!! 25 Feb 2009 @ 16:20 by jazzolog : Fundamentalist Reaction My colleague here at work told me this morning that the way people flock to Obama, and especially when even Republicans last night seemed to want to get near him to shake his hand, only proves one thing: Mr. Obama is the Antichrist. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/02/24/us/25obama5_600.JPG He's not kidding either. Watch out for the lightning! 25 Feb 2009 @ 18:16 by b : Change for the worse The stock market is broken and no one is trying to fix it. Fat cats who took ig blocks of treasury and preferred stock to come manage a companu waited 2 years and sold off their millions of shares while transfering assets overseas and paying off congresspersons, senators and administration beaurocrats. Now we have the messiah who will heal us all. Whining, sniveling, say you don't understand. The sky is falling, hurry up take a good whiz, its all bliss. 25 Feb 2009 @ 18:52 by jazzolog : Churchill, Not Messiah "After weeks of playing a Jeremiah, full of woe over a recession, President Obama finally became a Churchill in Tuesday's speech before Congress. His broad themes of reform foresee a country ready to toil and 'emerge stronger than before.'" ---Editors, Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0226/p08s01-comv.html 25 Feb 2009 @ 20:28 by swanny @70.65.25.118 : Green Bank hmmmm well a green bank might survive the mess but the only one I found in my research was the Rainbow Bank of Norway? in 1998 or so not sure what else to say as no one seems to be listening anymore to reason sad though the slip from reason into ? well just my 2 bits and thats about all I got at the moment cheers ed 25 Feb 2009 @ 21:50 by vaxen : Churchill? Obama doesn't get it ~ He is not only beholden to elite banking interests but is also their cheerleader much like George W Bush was the cheerleader for Cheney's and big oil's neocon pipedream in the middle east. This is the beginning of the end ~ for Americans will soon no longer accept this top down approach of bailing out the financial interests that caused this massive economic crisis: Allen L Roland I voted for Obama in 2008 ~ but I voted for change and I still have not seen dramatic evidence of it . I've heard the words, as in Obama's speech last night to a joint session of Congress but I still haven't seen the action needed to convince me that Obama understands his mandate from the American people for true change. The top down approach of creating more bank credit for consumers who are up to their eyeballs in debt will not turn this Depression around and cause Americans to spend and inflate the same credit bubble that just burst. But this additional outrage is really disturbing! $227 billion is going to tax havens for major banking interests while we taxpayers bail them out ~ which CBS recently exposed in this two minute video. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/cbs-evening-news-cbs-evening-news-follow-the-money-tax-havens/868260633 Frank Rich, New York Times, once again, asks the number one question by Americans that has yet to answered : "Americans are right to wonder why there has been scant punishment for the management and boards of bailed-out banks that recklessly sliced and diced all this debt into worthless gambling chips." Unfortunately, despite his Clintonesque pep talk last night, I see an unholy Obama allegiance emerging with the Fed and the elite banking interests which Paul Craig Roberts writes of yesterday in ICH ~ How the US Economy Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts February 24, 2009 http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22087.htm Excerpts: "The bald fact is that the combination of ignorance, negligence, and ideology that permitted the crisis to happen is still present and is blocking any remedy. Either the people in power in Washington and the financial community are total dimwits or they are manipulating an opportunity to redistribute wealth from taxpayers, equity owners and pension funds to the financial sector... How long will Americans permit “their” government to rip them off for the sake of the financial interests that caused the problem? Obama’s cabinet and National Economic Council are filled with representatives of the interest groups that caused the problem. The Obama administration is not a government capable of preventing a catastrophe.... The demise of America’s productive economy left the US economy dependent on finance, in which the US remained dominant because the dollar is the reserve currency. With the departure of factories, finance went in new directions. Mortgages, which were once held in the portfolios of the issuer, were securitized. Individual mortgage debts were combined into a “security.” The next step was to strip out the interest payments to the mortgages and sell them as derivatives, thus creating a third debt instrument based on the original mortgages... This was the most shameful and most mindless form of speculation. Gamblers were betting hands that they could not cover. The US regulators had abandoned their posts. The American financial institutions abandoned all integrity. As a consequence, American financial institutions and rating agencies are trusted nowhere on earth. " And right now we are looking at over 650 trillion dollars in derivatives bets which involves most of the major banks who can not possibly cover that indebtedness. The first step toward financial recovery is transparency and the truth ~ Obama delivered little of either last night and the stock market and Americans will not be reassured. Allen L Roland http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2009/02/25.html 25 Feb 2009 @ 22:02 by a-d : Swanny, Raindbow Bank of Norway...????? whadddzthat???? any links --or explanations???? ************************************** THANKS,Swanny!...i'll be checking this link out very carefully and I will get the book...(looks promising) Thanks, again /A-d 25 Feb 2009 @ 22:30 by swanny @70.65.25.118 : Ecovillage Book Hey a-d well it was included in this book by a fellow and honorable canadian its a fascinating read from a fascinating and loving fellow and we are doing it link = http://books.google.com/books?id=HHxUoRMYjRMC ed 26 Feb 2009 @ 11:07 by jazzolog : Libertarian Reaction I haven't checked whether Libertarians ended up voting for Obama or McCain, or if they voted for Ron Paul no matter what. Where they are now is where they would have been had their choice of John Kerry gotten into office last time. (At least they supported Kerry's feeble attempts to attain a recount against Bush.) And they are not alone in questioning Obama's banking connections, his military stance, and pursuit of illegal activities by the previous administration. Many progressives are on this stuff too. I think his approach will honor actual investigation and prosecution, but he doesn't want to lead it. We had a sheriff tearing around the world bombing and torturing already, and everybody hated association with paranoid vendettas. If the Justice Department is needed by private or congressional groups, he'll call it in. I'm share Libertarian impatience about other things, but not getting the Bushies and the bad boy bankers---even though there are more of them being flushed out everyday. A review of Orwell in the current New York Review of Books sums things up nicely~~~ "Orwell shared with Dickens a hatred of tyranny, and in his essay on the Victorian novelist distinguished two types of revolutionary. There are on the one hand the change-of-heart people, who believe that if you change human nature, all the problems of society will fall away; and, on the other, the social engineers, who believe that once you fix society—make it fairer, more democratic, less divided—then the problems of human nature will fall away. These two approaches 'appeal to different individuals, and they probably show a tendency to alternate in point of time.' Dickens was a change-of-heart man, Orwell a systems-and-structures man, not least because—as these essays confirm—he thought human beings recidivist, and beyond mere self-help. 'The central problem—how to prevent power from being abused—remains unsolved.' And until then, it is safe to predict that Orwell will remain a living writer." http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22414 26 Feb 2009 @ 16:27 by quinty : If human nature changes it does so sluggishly. We have, I am told, more slaves in the world today than ever before. The comparison may be unfair since the world's population has also greatly increased, and slavery is banned in "advanced" democracies. But there are activists combating slavery in America, and New York City is said to have many wealthy slave owners. Regarding the second choice mentioned above, taken by social engineers, at least it establishes a a fair framework, one from which it is possible to fight against, say, slavery. In one respect the founders of our own democratic Republic were quite brilliant: establishing checks and balances. This form of social engineering allows the abused and weak to fight back. We have seen this numerous times in our country: from slavery up to the struggle for gay human rights today. 27 Feb 2009 @ 02:03 by a-d : We are ALL SLAVES!!! to this http://www.heyokamagazine.com/heyoka_magazine.27.bankersmanifesto.htm...even the very very INSIDERS themselves are slaves to their own Dog Eat Dog world they created for themselves! But I do get the drift, behind your comment...Yet I think it is a dangerous one,cauz' it lulls us to NOT SEE the TRUTH of REALITY of what's going on in our World. Or whadddduthink, Quinty, Jazzo, Anybody?? 27 Feb 2009 @ 14:41 by quinty : I think we are slaves to our nature. Though individually we can grow, or should. Even in prison old cons can sometimes develop a philosophical view of things, reflecting on the waste of their lives. Wake up? Easier said than done. And whose vision should we wake up to? Those who disagree with us can be most confirmed and passionate about their opinions. Just as we can be about ours. Frankly, I'm bored with being told to "wake up." Wake up to what? Because someone holds a powerful world view, a passionate conviction, his precious view has to be the correct one? Maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps those repeating "wake up," as many Libertarians appear to do, need to "wake up" themselves. And, yes, agree with me!!!!! :) 27 Feb 2009 @ 21:47 by a-d : Yesss.... I do feel tired of & to the "whole thing" by now.... all I want is a group of loving friends in close (geophysical) proximity to my place and live in peace & harmony and JOY! No more life ADVENTURE!... only CELEBRATING Life, feeling genuine JOY to be alive and healthy and be as loving towards ALL Life (outside my own skin) as I ever can. That's really all I want today!... my prayer to Universe being: "Please, Dear Universe/GOD, give to each their OWN" ...(that would take care of "everything" ... and I/we all could (all) "live happily ever after"! : ) ) 6 Mar 2009 @ 04:14 by vaxen : Wake up! okay... Completely wrong, but so funny I snorted: "Obama Sound Board" http://bit.ly/14TWiR 6 Mar 2009 @ 09:25 by bimbo : hey martha how come you attacked me tooth and claw for posting youtube in my log and here you are posting it yourself WITHOUT GIVING THE SOURCE .. 31 Jan 2009 @ 21:45 by martha : "Every time I read the title of this article this song comes to mind. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp7rZEKClk4 ) And I'll get back to about that money,she god thingy....later!" DON'T DO AS I DO JUST DO AS I SAY EH ! Anyway your hypocrisie aside ... byebye Jazzolog and thanks for all . &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& You're welcome Bimbo, although I don't think I know who you are or whether we interacted here. Anyway, Martha no longer is a member of NCN I believe. She resigned a month or so ago. ---jazz ************************************************** Martha gone ! Too bad ! We interacted Jazz.. again I thankyou. byebye 29 Mar 2009 @ 10:46 by magical_melody : Jazzy Jazzolog, Fare thee well Richard, Thank you for 'Being' and having been here. I am grateful for and appreciate all the positive interactions shared between us, just as much as as I am thankful for the times when I experienced you as being a pain in the ... because that has served my healing too. LOL! I wish you smooth sailing, especially thru the next phase of what I perceive as being THE intense part of the healing journey now as all comes to the head globally. Many of us have long prepared for this deep and expansive ride which has taken us to the depths of human pain and which continues to take us ever higher into the heights of ecstatic love. I trust that if it takes even the most fierce of obstacles and the most upsetting of people and circumstances to show up, that these are indeed what is necessary, as catalysts to awaken our hearts so that we can clean it all up to achieve peace and well being. If we are willing to be 100% responsible for our part in the co-creation, and willing to do the cleaning, we will achieve peace no matter what comes to be. Often when we do the work of cleaning or as some say clearing...others shift right along with us. Funny thing is, it's often us, who often have been waiting for someone or something to shift, when all along the power to shift was right within us. Reminds me of Dorothy, in the story,the Wizard of Oz, when Glenda the good witch told her that 'home' lived within her...and it was simply about her choosing it and calling it forth! I also know that when our Heart is truly awakened, that our heart story will be empowered to real-ize, versus the perpetuation of our shared history. In parting, and in response to this NCN newslog post, I invite you to briefly visit our homepage where I have posted the story and a link about Ho'Oponopono, (a Hawaiian healing system), which I have personally found to be quite extraordinary. At the very least I encourage reading about Dr. Hew Len's story, as he shares about when he worked at the Hawaii state hospital where there was a whole ward of criminally insane patients. It was there that he was inspired to utilize this healing system - and he took 100% responsibility for what was called up in him as it related to every single individual. The result, all were totally healed. It's amazing what can happen when anyone of us is committed to take 100% responsibility. Scroll down to the section of Ho'Oponopono: {link:http://www.heartstory.co.nz/|A powerful question in Ho'Oponopono, What in me, has drawn to me, this person or situation?-I'm Sorry, Please forgive me, I love you and thank you}. If you do a search on google and youtube you can find all sorts of resources about this amazing system. Videos Interviews with {link:http://www.mabelkatz.com/mabel-katz-interviews.html#|Mabel Katz} Introducing the healing system. {link:http://www.whatishooponopono.com/Hooponopono_Dr_Ihaleakala_Hew_Len.htm|What is Ho'Oponopono} {link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvpoTGseaYk|How to Practice Ho Oponopono} and the {link:http://hubpages.com/hub/How-To-Practice-Hooponopono|Prayer} Dr Ihaleakala Hew Len {link:http://www.hooponoponotheamericas.org/|Website} I wish you and your family all the best. Much Love, MM! 31 Mar 2009 @ 09:33 by jazzolog : Melody Lingers On Thank you Magical One, and what a delight to find this comment. I do know a little bit about Ho'Oponopono, and have a friend who knows a lot. I'll get more into it---from this remote location. I've always admired you a great deal, and was anguished over the the bump in the road Max, you and I encountered. Internet communication and friendship still is very much a new frontier. I haven't quit NewCiv, but I'm just not spending a lot of time here anymore or building jazzoLOG. Apparently Ming isn't either, although he's promised new format and big changes---again. Peace. 22 Jul 2009 @ 07:14 by jazzolog : Good Times By Jessa Crispin http://www.thesmartset.com/files/Images/Daily/Bookslut/ID_BS_CRISP_GOOD_AP_001.jpg A common complaint about the Internet, whether it’s being leveled by a journalist who just lost his newspaper job or someone who found herself the target of online rage, is that it’s such a shallow, spiteful place. While it’s a ludicrous statement — the Internet is merely a medium, not anything homogeneous — the complaint is valid in large, and vocal, parts of the online world. It’s odd that in this age of loosened borders and individualism, online you can be drowned out with boos and hisses just by stating an off-center position. Sure, the idyllic promise of the Internet is that it can bring you news from around the world and expose you to people and things you never would have seen otherwise, but in reality many of us use it simply as an echo chamber. With all the filters, communities, forums, and moderated comment sections, you never need hear an opposing viewpoint ever again. Web site forums that used to be interesting and lively can quickly turn knee-jerk and unified, with those possessing quirky senses of humor or an interesting take on things shamed into never commenting again. (There’s an entire blog devoted to former readers of Jezebel.com who were shouted off the comments for not maintaining their very particular brand of womanhood.) Complaint, criticism, and argument are less and less welcome, until a minor correction is met with unleashed fury. It creates a warped worldview, as you can see in reading some pro-anorexia Web sites. (Or better yet, don’t. You probably don’t have the stomach for them.) But if you shut yourself off from every contrary word, it’s easy to start making declarative sentences regarding what is “good.” Not just for yourself, but for everyone else. Of course this has always existed — politicians and clergy and philosophers have always made sweeping statements about the best way to live — but it really flourishes online. Vegan communities declare that meat eaters are murderers. The child-free belittle the “breeders.” State an opinion and someone with a blog, a Twitter account, or a forum membership will accuse you of attacking their lifestyle or their marriage or Truth Itself, until a chorus of voices converge and start calling for your head to be bashed in with a rock. Not that I know from experience or anything. This online world should be a mosaic but it is often giant blocks of black and white, right/wrong, good/bad, with no thought about what any of these ideas actually means. As we spend more and more time in isolation — headphones on during our commute, stuck in cubicles at work, watching television alone at night — the online world is becoming our main form of communication. That does not bode well for the future of human interrelations. Philosopher Richard Kraut explores these black and white regions in his new book What Is Good and Why: The Ethics of Well-Being, pushing the words “good” and “bad” so far into the abstract it’s amazing they make any sense after you’re finished reading. But what he does is try to pin down a definition of goodness, working through a history of philosophy in order to determine whether such defining is even possible. Whether you think this is fascinating or totally useless probably depends on your ability to weather passages like the following: A good cook must know about how to go right and avoid going wrong in the preparation of food. But a good person — that is, a person who is “morally worthy,” as Rawls puts it — must know something about which actions are morally right and which are morally wrong. By making this distinction between two different meanings of “right,” or two different kinds of rightness, we can make it clear that there is no contradiction in saying that when someone burned the bread he did something wrong, even though he did nothing that was wrong. The entire book is like that, but it can be mined for interesting ideas. Which is good: to attempt to connect with others, with all the potential for pain that brings, or to rid yourself of the desire for human understanding? You’re less likely to be hurt with the latter, and if you do not care for the opinions of others it’s certainly easier to focus on your own work. The downside is that you have the potential to become a sociopath on talk radio or on a blog, not giving a second thought to who you hurt. As painful as the book is to read, it gives us a useful working definition of “good”: that which causes a subject to flourish. That is not always the obvious. Sacrifice, discipline, and periods of pain are not pleasant, and yet they can lead to flourishing. After all, you wouldn’t say that the heirs and heiresses who clutter the sidewalks outside clubs, leaving their underwear lord knows where, lead lives free of all struggle, but they could never be described as “flourishing.” Neither are the people who seal themselves off from contradiction. When you have a forum full of girls sharing their two-digit caloric intake and pictures of their self-harm, all supporting each other in their destruction, it’s hard to know what normal is. Kraut’s definition of good requires a person to use their entire capacity for feeling and doing, and not just their capacity for pleasure, or consensus. http://www.thesmartset.com/files/Images/Daily/Bookslut/ID_BS_CRISP_GOOD_CO_001.jpg Then why are we so bad at figuring out what is good for us? Part of the reason is that we look outside ourselves for confirmation, when in fact, “what is good for S depends a great deal upon facts about S,” as Kraut puts it. It’s easier to follow someone else’s rules than to be the shunned one, banned from the virtual people you considered friends. Adam Phillips and Barbara Taylor argue that another problem is how we confuse what might give us a cheap hit of pleasure — sex, a bout of righteous anger — with what really does bring us long-term enjoyment and other benefits: kindness. Long relegated to those virtues that seem about as appealing as eating cardboard for the fiber, they argue that being kind creates social bonds, benefits the surrounding world, and, yes, is enjoyable in and of itself. Even believing that humans are hardwired for kindness — and not that competition rules all — could affect everything from simple interactions to national policy on eldercare and the health system. They write in On Kindness that while it’s always been a philosophical quandary as to whether man’s nature was genuinely kind or selfish, the cynics won out and convinced us that kindness is the clothing civilization forces us to wear, and that deep down we are all wild beasts. Instead of being the cooperative generous beings that primatologists and anthropologists have suggested we are, the argument goes, we need religion and laws to keep us from slicing each other open on a regular basis. Kindness, then, was relegated to your Christian duty, to be done as an item on a checklist. This is Hobbes’s idea, of course, put forth in Leviathan and his famous line about natural life being “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.” But it has been very influential in religion and science, too, as anyone swayed by Richard Dawkins’s The Selfish Gene knows. Phillips and Taylor argue instead that we are all born with a capacity for kindness, and for the urge to exercise it. Of course the downside of kindness is the vulnerability it creates, both to the person being kind, and the target of the kindness. It can be unpleasant, and there is a prevailing notion that vulnerability and kindness are signs of weakness — for a long time kindness was seen as the territory of weak-minded women, while competition, brutality, and selfishness were the powers of the superior man. Today independence and self-sufficiency are the true virtues, and the interdependence that comes with a kind nature is looked down upon. And yet when have humans ever craved kindness quite so much? Phillips and Taylor write, “The modern Western adult’s fear about himself is that, to put it crudely as possible, his hatred is stronger than his love; that there is, in the British psychoanalyst Ernest Jones’s words, ‘much less love in the world than there appears to be.’” The bully who will relentlessly attack the target of his rage from the safety of a blog is often the same person railing against the lack of human decency today. Without opening up to kindness, and practicing it themselves, they will never know the particular strength that comes with interconnectivity and their own capacity for goodness. Really what the kindness and goodness of these books comes down to is understanding. To adopt their viewpoint takes respect for people’s vulnerabilities and empathy. And kindness causes us to flourish, using Kraut’s definition of the term meaning an integration of our full potential for happiness and growth. Phillips and Taylor write, “[K]indness, fundamentally, makes life worth living; and… everything that is against kindness is an assault on our hope.” These are old-fashioned ideals, but our new technological age is crying out for them. • 8 July 2009 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jessa Crispin is editor and founder of Bookslut.com. She currently resides in Berlin. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article07080901.aspx 22 Jul 2009 @ 20:47 by jmarc : HH on Ethics in our time. http://www.dalailama.com/page.269.htm 14 Aug 2009 @ 02:00 by yomero @98.160.179.64 : yawn! just go away already.. 15 Aug 2009 @ 14:27 by jazzolog : Do You Suppose This Guy Is The Serial Spammer, exposing himself at last? Anonymity can be so difficult. At any rate Mr. Mero---or may I call you Yo---if we look up into the Milky Way, we see a billion stars. And beyond them, thanks to Hubble, we see 400 billion galaxies, each with more billions of stars...and probably trillions of planets orbiting. May there not be room then for a single Log, that really isn't doing anything these days, to sink slowly and eventually to the bottom of the pile? 15 Aug 2009 @ 17:03 by a-d : I don't think "This Guy".... ...is a guy at all, Jazzo!... I think it is the Classic NCN-B---, who always gives us all ORDERS what and when to think, feel see say --and of course-- all the "What Not To's"" to us also!... I let you guess. *!* ( ..and besides, HOW DARE you OBJECT to her discret Command to you here?!? SHE , with god -given PRIVLIGE told you to pull an old rug over you and get lost... how dare you not follow HER ORDERS!?!?.... Phuih on you! ;o! ;) 16 Aug 2009 @ 08:33 by jazzolog : Hmmmm, As Bushman Would Say You may be right...although I'm 7 months removed from the ongoing wars at New Uncivilized Network, so I don't have a clue as to who's who anymore---and I guess I never did. That's the big yawn for me. Anyway, "yamera" has a gentler ring to it---or is that just more male chauvanism coming out? Thanks, a-d...and Peace. Other entries in Diary 20 Aug 2009 @ 10:04: Time To Go, Part 2 11 Oct 2008 @ 12:43: Obama In Ohio 5 Jun 2008 @ 10:00: What To Do In The Belly Of The Beast 7 Mar 2008 @ 09:59: Energy Efficiency Makeover: One Homeowner's Story 24 Dec 2007 @ 08:25: A Child Is Given 19 Aug 2007 @ 11:07: Heavy With Child 17 May 2007 @ 09:45: We've Changed Earth's Climate: Now What? 1 Mar 2007 @ 10:27: Episcopal: The Way We Do It 5 Dec 2006 @ 10:05: Alone And Angry: If Bush Were In AA 3 Sep 2006 @ 10:02: Pictures And Prose For 9/11
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