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10 Oct 2003 @ 12:54, by Sandi Hunter Forest regarding spiritual/social progress; i agree, but seems we need some kind of "base camp" and/or "core group" or both in order to ground out our intentions and energies together to begin to manifest some of these more spiritual evolutions.... ************ Matthew; Yes, that is certainly a necessary start, and Sandi and I are always looking for those who could form such a group. At present, we know of only two others, which are yourself and a fellow named Theodore. Finding such people who have visionary, revolutionary, natural and spiritual focuses is quite a rare event at this time. This is a sad but true commentary on the modern condition, not to mention TV conditioning. Never the less, even the combined wisdom/group mind of three or four can have considerable impact on others, not to mention what they can accomplish mentally and physically. I say we look for others with this intent in mind, and first form a "cyber community" of sorts to crystallize a real time gathering. *********** Forest previously; > > i agree with most of this, however i have a slightly different take on right > and wrong concepts....imho they represent a certain level of awareness that > is transcendable....imho everything in nature is good, even killing and > cooked foods etc....even destroying the environment....but let me > continue....everything in nature is good and when we tire of some level or > degree of good we are given choices and freedom to move on to higher good > whenever we are ready.... *********** Matthew; Right and wrong as I see it, is defined by the standards set by evolution, nature and spiritual progress. That which is "right" is evolutionary/progressive, while that which is "wrong" is de-evolutionary and unprogressive. It's pretty clear to me that modern society is both de-evolutionary and unprogressive, and that if it continues on it's current course, it will inevitably self destruct. I'd be curious to know how you would explain the statement, "everything in nature is good....even destroying the environment". Without the environment there is no nature, nor will there be human beings. To call this "good" would seem contrary to the whole purpose of evolution for which life has arisen, over the last 3 billion years on this planet. All of this has occurred only to die off in the end in probable confusion and disarray? We may or may not be free to exercise choices for higher good, after/within the next decade. Nature is about to determine for us, "when we'll be ready" like it or not. By then it could well be that the majority if not all of the human race has killed itself off, and largely due to a neglect of the truth and the spiritual principles which compose it. **************** Forest; > > another point i think worth mentioning here is that of consensus decision > making....i do not feel we can carefully be involved with nature and prevent > ecological disaster until we reach levels of communication and decision > making based on consensus paradigm or higher spiritual awareness....we will > continue to put ourselves and environment in danger of collapse until we > implement consensus into every aspect of our lives as individuals and as > nations and/or earth beings.... ************ Matthew; Yes, and this lends itself to the question of motive. What will motivate people to do these very things, so as to not only evolve further, but to prevent worldwide ecological disaster? Crisis is surely a good teacher, and perhaps hard headed humans will only learn as a cast majority, only when their deaths are imminent. The other major motivator that comes to mind is that of spiritual focus, which demonstrates that there are higher purposes for all life, including our own, than what is advocated by consumerism/society. When these are realized, motivation occurs naturally. Of course, to accomplish this one needs persistence and honesty. *********** Forest previously; > > i agree, but by putting emphasis on eco-sustainability is actually at the > same time putting emphasis on spirituality, since it is naturally spiritual > to wanna live sustainably....in other words they are on course, but just > different words or focus to achieve the same or similar goals of spirit.... ********** Matthew; Although I agree that "it is naturally spiritual to wanna live sustainably", but this is a trait we inherited from nature. That is not to say however that, “by putting emphasis on eco-sustainability is actually at the same time putting emphasis on spirituality", since anyone can take these ecological steps for whatever reason they may want to. That reason may be to make money, or ego concerns, or in counter-reaction to materialistic society. Spirituality is not defined by a given set of acts. It is defined by the quality of intention through which one acts. *************** Matthew previously; > Take modern society as an example of this. We live in a decidedly materialistic culture which imagines that products and things are the best motive to live life for. Consumerism claims that material goals are basically all that are worth working for, and that everything else revolves around this premise, including education, family, community and global well-being. As we can all see, this focus on the physical materiality of existence is severely misguided. ************ Forest; > yes, but if we add consensus spirit to this mix of consumerism we can refine and harmonize our consumer items with nature over time....each of us is transitioning toward spirit at slightly different rates or times and thus we will all be involved in the physical/mental consuming to one degree or another as we incorporate more spirit into the mix.... > *********** Matthew; Many people are transitioning to little else but an untimely death, due largely to the fact that they refuse to come to grips with reality, (as defined by natural laws). Consumerism is a life philosophy, or perhaps a better to say that would be..."A system of belief based on faith", (like any religion). This belief system advocates the idea that there is no such thing as spirit or natural laws which need to be observed. On the contrary, it focuses upon the unlimited enlargement of personal ego and immediate gratification, reducing souls in bodies to "consumers", whose basic function in society is little more than those of worms in a manure pile. Worms "consume" and so do unthinking consumers. There's very little difference there in terms of life focus. What I'm saying is, that consumerism is very far from spiritual practice and the real needs of reality, as is unnecessary war. It is the quintessence of the anti-spiritual in fact. It's important to realize also that there is a distinction between consumerism and the products of technology. Technological advancement and it's resulting products can indeed be used in harmony with nature, as you pointed out. But no technology, no matter how high or advanced, can save us from the misuse of those products through the currently widespread spiritual poverty seen infecting the public at large. It cannot protect us from our own insanity as a species. When I advocate rejecting consumerism, I do not mean neglecting the fruits of technology. I mean that we simply MUST adopt a higher way of living, (spiritual/natural) than a mindless, destructive belief system such as this. ************** Forest on group mind; > sounds pretty agreeable to me, do you still have any focused agendas related to this group on wms mailing list????....are some of them actively involved in some way. ********* Matthew; The participation in the GGM meditations ss well as other activities advocated by the World Mind Society is abysmally low at this time. That's because there are very few people with the seriousness of mind and the naturalness of spirit to take those advocated steps. They’re too busy improving their credit rating and shopping for a more expressive wardrobe to be bothered with universal concerns right now. Such spiritual practice takes work and change. Neither of these are on the agenda for modern humanity, and such an attitude will probably be their undoing....

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