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Ascend, Evolve, Expand.....: The Final Solution! |
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18 Jan 2009 @ 23:36 by ursula : You dare 18 Jan 2009 @ 23:47 by spells : Who is disgraceful? Medicine wrote: "18 Jan 2009 @ 23:36 by medicinedreamer : You dare to use such a phrase in talking about Jews? The final solution? Disgraceful." Hmm, so let me point out a few things here....First did you notice two sentences directly in the article?...""There is not a Palestinian to be seen," Fletcher wrote." and... "With at least 1,133 Palestinians killed, including 355 children, and another 5,130 wounded, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) are now said to be in the centre of Gaza City in what a military spokesman said could be "the final act." I'm not the one using phosphorous, I'm not the one bombing food and medical supplies, I'm not the one using bombs on UN Sanctuaries, I'm not the one who is bombing innocent people to get at one group. Hell I'm not even supporting actions such as these....The list goes on and on.... You DARE to call what I said "disgraceful?", are you trying to be funny or what? Oh and by the way, did you bother to read the article? When will the Human Race learn from their mistakes? When will we progress? It will go on forever at this rate and you know what? It's all called Karma, from the Jews in WW2 to present day wars. Cause and effect baby....the next time (if ever) a group such as Jewish People are forced to go through a holocaust, maybe someone will take the time to look and point out the misdeeds of the past. To every action there is a reaction! Karma, one of the best Natural/Spiritual Laws, and contrary to popular belief, no one is excused from it! 19 Jan 2009 @ 00:54 by martha : The Final Solution! Are you a Nazi Sandi? You talk about love and peace and yet you call this article the final solution. And yes I read the article which is propaganda. And where is the balance about all the rockets Hamas launched into Israel? I feel you support the distruction of Israel. When i came back to NCN I was willing to try and understand your oppposition to Israel. I now clearly see and you have no understanding or empathy for Jews. None. And Nora was not trying to be funny. I am offended by your continual lack of love and peace. The energy you send only creates separation and hate. Have a nice life Sandi. i will never again comment on your log. And maybe in your next life you will come back as a jew and fully grasp the evil you perpetuate in this life. 19 Jan 2009 @ 01:25 by ursula : Spells You are the proof that few people learn a damn thing about the past or the present. You are repulsive to me in every way. 19 Jan 2009 @ 01:44 by martha : Rockets at your children And further more Sandi if rockets were being shot at your children what would you do? Walk away? Run away? Or turn and fight to defend your children. That is what Israel is doing and yet you spew hate at Israel. Or maybe it is easy for you walk away from your children and not protect them. 19 Jan 2009 @ 01:44 by ursula : Forget her, Martha she has never answered that question and never will. Don't waste your time here. 19 Jan 2009 @ 04:03 by ursula : Anti-Semite Antisemitism (correctly spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism; but also sometimes known as Judeophobia) is prejudice against or hostility toward Jews. This prejudice or hostility is usually characterized by a combination of religious, racial, cultural and ethnic biases. While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, since its creation it has been used exclusively to refer to hostility toward Jews. Antisemitism may be manifested in many ways, ranging from individual expressions of hatred and discrimination against individual Jews to organized violent attacks by mobs or even state police or military attacks on entire Jewish communities. Extreme instances of persecution include the First Crusade of 1096, the expulsion from England in 1290, the Spanish Inquisition, the expulsion from Spain in 1492, the expulsion from Portugal in 1497, various pogroms, and the most infamous, the Holocaust under Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany. The term Semite refers broadly to speakers of a language group which includes both Arabs and Jews. However, the term antisemitism refers specifically to attitudes held towards Jews. The word antisemitic (antisemitisch in German) was probably first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider in the phrase "antisemitic prejudices" (German: "antisemitische Vorurteile"). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterize Ernest Renan's ideas about how "Semitic races" were inferior to "Aryan races." These pseudo-scientific theories concerning race, civilization, and "progress" had become quite widespread in Europe in the second half of the 19th century, especially as Prussian nationalistic historian Heinrich von Treitschke did much to promote this form of racism. In Treitschke's writings Semitic was synonymous with Jewish, in contrast to its usage by Renan and others. In 2005, the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC), a body of the European Union, developed a more detailed discussion: "Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities. In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for 'why things go wrong'." The EUMC then listed "contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere." These included: "Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews; accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group; denying the Holocaust; and accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations. The EUMC also discussed ways in which attacking Israel could be antisemitic, depending on the context, while clarifying that "criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic." (see anti-Zionism below).To encourage additional usage of the definition, the European Forum on Antisemitism has commissioned translations of the working definition into numerous languages. 19 Jan 2009 @ 05:08 by ursula : Anti-Zionism Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism, the international Jewish political movement that established a homeland for the Jewish People in Palestine (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra'el, “the Land of Israel”), and continues to support the state of Israel. Opposition to Zionism has changed over time and has taken on a spectrum of religious, ethical, political or military forms. Some include, opposition to the creation of a Jewish state prior to the appearance of the messiah, objection to the idea of a state based on maintenance of a Jewish majority, differing democratic values and differing dimensions or rejection of Israel's right to exist in any form. The legitimacy of anti-Zionist views has been disputed into the present day, along with the relationship between anti-Zionism and antisemitism. Some commentators argue that anti-Zionism represents fair opposition to Israel or its policies, particularly in the occupied territories. Others contend that to the extent anti-Zionism represents an opposition even to Israel's existence, it is inherently antisemitic. Dina Porat (head of the Institute for Study of Anti-semitism and Racism at Tel-Aviv University) contends that anti-Zionism is anti-semitic because it is discriminatory: ...antisemitism is involved when the belief is articulated that of all the peoples on the globe (including the Palestinians), only the Jews should not have the right to self-determination in a land of their own. Or, to quote noted human rights lawyer David Matas: One form of antisemitism denies access of Jews to goods and services because they are Jewish. Another form of antisemitism denies the right of the Jewish people to exist as a people because they are Jewish. Antizionists distinguish between the two, claiming the first is antisemitism, but the second is not. To the antizionist, the Jew can exist as an individual as long as Jews do not exist as a people. Professor Robert S. Wistrich (head of the Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Antisemitism) at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem believes that Anti-Zionism is not inherently anti-Semitic and that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are two distinct ideologies that over time (especially since 1948) have tended to converge, generally without undergoing a full merger. He argues that much contemporary anti-Zionism, particularly forms that compare Zionism and Jews with Hitler and the Third Reich, has become a form of antisemitism: Anti-Zionism has become the most dangerous and effective form of anti-Semitism in our time, through its systematic delegitimization, defamation, and demonization of Israel. Although not a priori anti-Semitic, the calls to dismantle the Jewish state, whether they come from Muslims, the Left, or the radical Right, increasingly rely on an anti-Semitic stereotypization of classic themes, such as the manipulative "Jewish lobby," the Jewish/Zionist "world conspiracy," and Jewish/Israeli "warmongers." In July 2001, the Simon Wiesenthal Center reported that during a visit there, German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer stated that "anti-Zionism inevitably leads to antisemitism." Former Soviet dissident and Israeli Minister, Natan Sharansky has suggested a "3D Test of Anti-Semitism: Demonization, Double Standards, Delegitimization" Brian Klug has argued that anti-Zionism and antisemitism are distinct concepts: There is a long and ignoble history of "Zionist" being used as a code word for "Jew," as when Communist Poland carried out "anti-Zionist" purges in 1968, expelling thousands of Jews from the country, or when the extreme right today uses the acronym ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government) to refer to the US government. Moreover, the Zionist movement arose as a reaction to the persecution of Jews. Since anti-Zionism is the opposite of Zionism, and since Zionism is a form of opposition to anti-Semitism, it seems to follow that an anti-Zionist must be an anti-Semite. Nonetheless, the inference is invalid. To argue that hostility to Israel and hostility to Jews are one and the same thing is to conflate the Jewish state with the Jewish people. In fact, Israel is one thing, Jewry another. Accordingly, anti-Zionism is one thing, anti-Semitism another. They are separate. To say they are separate is not to say that they are never connected. But they are independent variables that can be connected in different ways. 19 Jan 2009 @ 10:54 by ursula : Martha Nazi=Not-See. Enough said. 20 Jan 2009 @ 12:17 by ursula : See the mirror, Spells Toronto Sun Columnist Eric Margolis Must Go January 19, 2009 By: Mike Fegelman Dear HonestReporting Canada subscriber: When Sid Ryan, President of CUPE-Ontario, compared Israeli policies in Gaza with the Nazis, the National Post and concerned Canadians at large were right to call for his immediate ousting. The former Toronto Sun columnist also accused Israel of carrying out a “massacre” in Gaza, while trying to ban all Israeli academics from Canadian campuses "unless they explicitly condemn [Israel's] assault on Gaza." Recognizing that comments comparing Israel to Nazis was unacceptable, Ryan issued an apology... (or something like that) But Ryan wasn’t the only Canadian to draw comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to the Nazis. Another Toronto Sun columnist, Eric Margolis (pictured), made a similar comparison in a “political commentary” he authored on his website on January 12 entitled “Eradicating Hamas.” According to Margolis’ introductory paragraph: “It now seems clear the last disastrous act of the Bush administration was giving Israel a green light to launch its final solution campaign against the Hamas government in Gaza.” Margolis' "final solution" comment is an unmistakable reference to Nazi Germany's systematic plan to annihilate European Jewry during World War II. Such a vile comparison is odious and contemptible. To support his linkage of Israeli policy to the Nazis, Margolis alluded to the Holocaust by quoting a “high-ranking Vatican official” who described Gaza as “a concentration camp.” And in case any readers still didn't catch on, Margolis drove home the Holocaust comparison a third time by wondering aloud whether “Comparisons with the Warsaw ghetto uprising will inevitably be made” given that “the world will turn further against Israel and see it, as too many critics claim, as a brutal oppressor.” To top it all off, Margolis accused Israel of carrying out "massacres" while labeling Hamas a “democratic revolutionary movement.” Comparing Israeli policy to the Nazis fits the European Union and U.S. State Department’s working definition of anti-Semitism. While the Nazi comparison is outrageous when made by ordinary citizens, it is even more outlandish when put forward by a newspaper columnist who is paid for his opinion by reputable news media. So we wonder: should the Toronto Sun employ someone – even for the sake of having a variety of opinions – who uses Nazi terminology in reference to the Jewish state? We think not. While Margolis has been careful to limit Nazi references to his personal website and to keep them out of his Sun column, the fact that the Sun pays for his opinion implies that it considers his perspective – wherever he states it – to be credible. But with his latest outburst, Margolis has crossed the line and the Sun should acknowledge that by dropping him from its roster of columnists. There are plenty of worthy columnists who could make a far better contribution to the diversity of opinion that appears in the Sun's pages. HOW YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE: Ask the Toronto Sun to reconsider using Eric Margolis as a political pundit given his use of Nazi terminology in reference to Israel. Send POLITE letters to: torsun.editor@sunmedia.ca 20 Jan 2009 @ 19:19 by spells : Very Interesting.... I have to admit that I haven't had time to read all that you wrote yet. I am putting it all on a document to read at home because I have limited time at the library, and it was closed yesterday therefore I didn't see these posts until today. A few things are worth mentioning before I read and truly answer your post. First of all.... at least I have the courage to allow you to post comments on my newslog. I leave everyone's voice open in order to keep communication open and hopefully some kind of resolution to be reached. Which is more than I can say for Medicinedreamer who has blocked me from her log. Second of all, you are barking up the wrong tree here. I was brought up jewish, my whole family on all sides are from Germany. They either escaped the Nazis and came to either Israel (Then Palestine) or America or died at the hands of the Nazis. I have explored and researched all about the holocaust in a general and personal way. I also (through long and deep exploration) learned that I lived my most recent past life in Germany and actually died in a concentration camp at the age of 12. Many of my questions have been answered many years ago and I am ready to move on. You obviously missed my whole point here. It wasn't "an insult" to jews everywhere to title this "The Final Solution", it was to point out that it is time to learn from mistakes of the past and move on also. The whole of human history, reminds me of the child that is terribly abused by his/her parents and grows up to do the exact same thing to their children. When does this type of thinking and action end? It has to start somewhere. Did the Jews learn anything about the horrors of war and imprisonment or is the only lesson learned that it is ok to be the perpetrators as long as one is not the victim. When I hear that bombs are being dropped on sanctuaries, phosphorous used to burn people, food and medical supples that are desparately needed destroyed by bombs, then the actions do not fit the crimes. If that was being done to me, I would not think or feel loving to those dropping the bombs and I would want to retaliate also in any way I can. It works both ways. The Israelis are far more powerful than the Palestinians, and therefore at this point in history, the bullies. The Palestinians are forced to live in restricted areas, with food, electricity, medicine etc governed by the hands of those that pushed them out. They are the prisoners, not the Israelis. So I ask you again, what did the Jews learn from the Holocaust? Did they only learn that it is best to be the bully and not the victim? or did they learn that any misuse of human life is atrocious and must end somewhere? The answer is pretty obvious. 20 Jan 2009 @ 19:34 by ursula : Spells I only blocked you after you posted the Final Solution, because to me and Jews everywhere (except for you, obviously) it is a huge insult. You want to teach the Jews to move on? First, you will have to teach the world to stop using the Jews as their scapegoat and excuse for their own lacks. What did the Jews learn from the Holocaust? TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES, TO NOT BE BULLIED, AND NOT BE NEARLY WIPED OUT by being passive, by pretending the horrors won't happen to them, that if they only say this or do that their enemies won't harm them. In other words, cutting out the illusions and delusions about reality. And, for that, you and the Muslim world don't like it. You want the Jews to be sitting ducks and wiped out once more, and you are not being honest about your very own words and attitude, Spells. 20 Jan 2009 @ 19:37 by ursula : In case that's not clear You're very one-sided and without any compassion towards Israel - your own people. And FYI - in my last lifetime I was a captured non-Jewish prisoner in the Gestapo, tried to escape twice, caught again, held for a year in a Nazi German prison for women, and then murdered by the Nazis in WWII after being deported to Dachau. In this lifetime, my adoptive and biological parents (Jewish and non-Jewish) were victims of the Holocaust. So, yeah, I know what I'm talking about, too. 20 Jan 2009 @ 19:41 by ursula : Lastly Israel warns the "Palestinians" before the bombs drop, they're given plenty of notice, but some of them refuse to leave. If you know anything about Israel, it is that they are very humanistic and have helped the world, including their enemies. You can't say that about the Muslim nations. So, enough of this b.s., Sandi. If you have issues about your own Jewishness, then it's your thing to deal with, but do you think you can be fair about Israel? 20 Jan 2009 @ 19:44 by spells : Collective Consciousness aka Group Mind I"m sorry Medicinedreamer, I will not make this a personal battle. You have no idea what I am about. I never said that anyone should pretend that horrors don't happen, (although not many admit to the horrors that the US has inflicted around the world). I don't use anyone as a scapegoat, I look at the truth. I ask again... when will it end? At this point, it seems that no one will take the responsiblity to end it. We are all one!! Which means that the Nazis and Jews are also one. They are two sides of the same coin so to speak. The Palestinians and the Israelis are also two sides to the same coin. When we can embrace our connectiveness, and know that all are from the same Source, and all are responsible for their own actions, and reactions, then perhaps a change will come. It is when we feel separate that we feel the need to stand up for ourselves and take a definite stand. We are not separate. What one group does to another, they do to themselves. What one group does to another is felt around the world and even possibly off world for all we know. When I take responsiblity for myself I am effecting all around me. If I hurt you, I hurt me, If I try to knock you down, I am trying to bring down all, because we are all one!!! WE are a collective, we are not separate. There will always be someone wrong in the way that they hurt others, but the end has to start somewhere. With someone who will see the truth that we are all one and therefore it's time for retaliation to stop, for the retaliation is also hurting our own souls. I'm out of time here at the library for now.... 20 Jan 2009 @ 19:46 by spells : Where??? Medicine dreamer wrote; "Israel warns the "Palestinians" before the bombs drop, they're given plenty of notice, but some of them refuse to leave" Ok, tell me where they will go? The borders are closed off and nowhere is supposedly safe. We are all ONE!!!!! 20 Jan 2009 @ 20:05 by ursula : You know how many times I've talked about consciousness, two-sides of the same coin, etc., and that terrorists do not yet have this consciousness to give up violence, or they wouldn't be terrorists. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be ignored, either, because they attack, which means one must defend in the best possible way. It is not Israel that is the problem, Spells, that is my point. Israel is responsible for its actions, Hamas isn't because they're abusing their own people to reach their goals. Where is your outrage about what they're doing? You only blame Israel, and unjustly, I feel. To know about the warnings, you need to be connected with the real sources of information, Sandi. Israel started this outside of Gaza City, targeting only the worst of Hamas, not the civilians. They gave warning, and yes, they have plenty of places to move to avoid being hit. But, there Hamas who uses civilians as shields, they disguise themselves as doctors, as clergy, they hide out in hospitals and put everyone at risk. Even so, Israel gives them warning, by dropping flyers, over loudspeakers, over the radio and so on. How can you not know this? I'm surprised. We are all one, but we're not all the same. You know the saying "don't throw pearls before swine"? This metaphor applies to this situation because it's about levels of consciousness. Can't deal with people who have a Charter to destroy you and your country and aren't ready to accept peace. 20 Jan 2009 @ 20:12 by ursula : Jewish guilt is the worst outcome from the Holocaust. There are many Jews, all leftists, who have a conflict being Jewish. They don't want to be like the Nazis and harm other people (Jewish people hate violence), so they end up being exactly like some the Jews who didn't want to believe what was happening so they didn't leave, and were not part of the resistance in Europe during WWII. That means, they go along with it, they try to bargain a deal with them, believe that if they give more land, suck up some more, then the bad guys won't hurt them. That's just not being realistic - we've seen it over and over. This kind of Jewish person hurts themselves and Israel with their guilt. Guilt is self-hatred, Sandi. Israel gave up so much land for peace, and the only get attacked worse. Over and over. They waited a long time before retaliating - the world was silent while Israel was attacked. Do you understand this, Sandi? Do you agree? What would you have Israel do? What would any nation do? 20 Jan 2009 @ 20:14 by ursula : In a way your attitude is like a raped woman who feels guilty for being raped and blamed for being raped. 20 Jan 2009 @ 20:24 by ursula : Check this out Israel clearly won the latest round with Hamas, but could have gone deeper into Gaza and done greater damage to the organization, according to military analysts in the US media on a visit to the region this week. IDF soldiers maintain their equipment at a staging area near Israel's border with the Gaza Strip, Tuesday. Visiting military analysts were impressed with the IDF's performance but said Israel could have gone deeper into Gaza. "I think you achieved what one Israeli general called 'changing the reality' in which Hamas operates, but I think you were too restrained and could have gone deeper into Gaza," Lt.-Gen. Thomas McInerney, a 35-year veteran of the US Air Force and a Fox News military analyst, told The Jerusalem Post Monday after touring the Gaza periphery and receiving briefings from Israeli officials as part of a trip of military analysts organized by the New York-based Project Interchange affiliated with the American Jewish Committee. "Your leadership is too sensitive about world opinion. I know why Israel didn't [drive deeper into Gaza] - you have an election coming up and a new [US] president taking office, but you need to gain the freedom of operation in Gaza that you have in the West Bank." Commenting on the unilateral ceasefire announced by the Israeli cabinet on Saturday, he suggested "Israel did not want to destroy Hamas. I believe you should have." 20 Jan 2009 @ 21:23 by spells : then why? Ahh but we are all the same at the core, what we do with it, is what is different. We are all consciousness, made up of the same elements. I did not ask you to "psychoanalyze" me. I am consciousness in a body here to clear karma, evolve and hopefully rise above it. If you are going to tell me what I am, perhaps I can give some insight to your soul....everytime, yes every single time, I get into some kind of discussion with you, I SEE and KNOW that the same thing happens. Energy drain....I look carefully at this and I don't take this lightly. It is quite obvious that you are a psychic leech, you start arguments in order to steal energy. Now you can say that I am slandering you or insulting you or wrong, but one thing I have learned in this life and that is that the energy and intent behind actions, thoughts and words do NOT lie. Now people lie all the time, but the vibration doesn't. As I already said, if one doesn't feel separate, then one doesn't feel the need to be right or aggressive. One knows who and what they are truly made of and works from there. Being things as they are, I am breaking off the energy ties between us right now. I am well aware of my energy and intent and what I do with it, and I won't be engaged in psychic warfare anymore. Here is another article. Let me ask anyone these questions...if the Israelis are so humane in their attack then why did they not allow journalists in until now? If they are only after Hamas then why are so many children getting so hurt by "Dime" and Phosphoruous? Why is almost the whole area flattened and destroyed? Why are groves of olives destroyed? Factories? Medical facilities? Mosques? I ask that you read on....from wsws.org.... Reports reveal devastation wreaked by Israeli military in Gaza By Patrick O’Connor 20 January 2009 With the ceasefire in Gaza now in effect, for the time being at least, many international journalists are now able to enter the Palestinian territory for the first time since the Israeli military offensive began last month. Initial reports have highlighted the utter destruction inflicted upon the population by Israel's armed forces. At least 5,000 homes have been destroyed and more than 20,000 damaged, with many urban centers reduced to nothing more than rubble. Gaza's limited social infrastructure has been largely obliterated, as have numerous factories and agricultural centers. The picture emerging from Gaza puts paid to the Israeli government's lies—that its military assault was a defensive response to Hamas rockets, and that those leading "Operation Cast Lead" were taking great care to avoid civilian casualties. The offensive was in fact a war crime—an act of collective punishment aimed at demoralizing and intimidating the Palestinian population, thereby suppressing all resistance to the ongoing Israeli occupation. The Zionist state also no doubt intended to send a warning to Iran, Syria, Lebanon and other potential opponents of its expansionist strategy. Journalists in Gaza struggled to find appropriate metaphors or historical precedents to describe the devastation. From Gaza City, Reuters' Douglas Hamilton wrote: "The destruction is total, as if a terrible earthquake had struck. But this was no natural disaster... [D]rive up into the suburb that once sat proudly on the ridge, and it's as if one had turned a corner of Stalingrad, a dark scene from some World War Two battle of annihilation." Associated Press: "Destruction in some areas left streets that resembled a moonscape." The Financial Times spoke with Jaber Wishah, deputy director of the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights. "This reminds us of the film The Day After," he said, referring to a film about a nuclear catastrophe. "People are in compete shock." Buildings and sites associated with any form of Palestinian autonomy were among those targeted. The parliament and cabinet buildings in Gaza City were destroyed, as was the city's police headquarters, the Bank of Palestine building, the main university, and several mosques. Israeli shells and tanks ruined acres of olive and fruit groves. Major shopping centers and markets were hit. Many of the small number of factories previously able to operate in Gaza were also targeted. "Gaza's only cement packing factory is now a giant scrap heap, its towering silo tilting precariously," Associated Press reported. "The owner's villa, pounded by Israeli tank shells, looks like Swiss cheese." Residential areas, including a large number of apartment buildings, were badly damaged and in many cases entirely destroyed by mortars and bombs. The UN has reported that more than 50,000 Palestinians are homeless and are crowding into 50 emergency shelters. The exact number of people made homeless by the Israeli assault is likely to increase as the full scale of the damage becomes better known. According to an initial estimate issued by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, the structural damage will cost at least $1.9 billion. Reuters reported: "Municipal bulldozers pushed aside crushed cars and fallen chunks of concrete from the streets, but nothing could conceal the scale of destruction wrought by Israel's military machine. ‘Some people can't even recognize the place where their house used to be,' one policeman radioed to his commander from the northern town of Beit Lahiya." Several journalists reported on the racist graffiti left by Israeli troops on the walls of bombed-out apartment buildings and mosques. "Hamas whores" in Hebrew and "Hamas is dead" in English was sprayed onto one mosque in Gaza City's Zeitoun suburb. The Guardian reported that a nearby home had slogans including, "Arabs need to die" and "Arabs: 1948 to 2009." Such taunts are evidence of the fascistic sentiments being cultivated within the Israeli Defense Forces. The humanitarian crisis now confronting the Palestinian people has been made worse by Israel's targeting of Gaza's water and electricity networks. People in Gaza City have reportedly been forced to light fires and cook in pots on the side of rubble-littered roads. Even before the war, water and power infrastructure had already been damaged by the Israeli siege, with the main power station operating only intermittently and fuel shortages affecting water pumps. The military assault saw six major water wells damaged or destroyed, disrupting water supplies to an additional 200,000 of Gaza's 1.4 million people, according to a senior water authority official cited by the Washington Post. The UN has reported that 400,000 Gazans now have no access to running water. In Gaza City, 80 percent of the electricity grid was damaged, including power lines. Palestinian technicians said that restoring water and electricity services would take weeks, but only if Israel permits the entry of necessary spare parts and equipment. The terrible casualties inflicted on the Palestinian population underscores the barbarism of the Israeli military assault. At least 1,300 people were killed, including hundreds of children. The toll is likely to rise, as many families are still discovering decomposing bodies beneath the rubble of what were their homes and businesses. An estimated 5,300 people were wounded, many seriously. Medical personnel in Gaza have reported an unusually high proportion of limb amputations. Dr. Jan Brommundt, a German doctor working for Medecins du Monde in the south Gazan city of Khan Younis, told Al Jazeera that the injuries he had seen were "absolutely gruesome." He said surgeons had reported many cases where casualties had lost both legs rather than one, raising suspicions that the Israeli military was using Dense Inert Metal Explosives (Dime), an experimental explosive device that expels charged tungsten dust that acts as micro-shrapnel, burning and destroying everything within a four-meter radius. "Victims will present within one to five hours with an acute abdomen which looks like appendicitis, but it turns out on operation that dozens of miniature particles can be found in all of their organs," Dr. Brommundt explained. "It seems to be some sort of explosive or shell that disperses tiny particles at around 1x1 or 2x1 millimeters that penetrate all organs. These miniature injuries, you are not able to attack them surgically." Another doctor corroborated these reports. Dr. Erik Fosse, a Norwegian surgeon who worked at the Al-Shifa hospital in northern Gaza during the Israeli attack, told Al Jazeera that there was a significant increase in double amputations. "We suspect they used Dime weapons because we saw cases of huge amputations or flesh torn off the lower parts of the body," he said. "The pressure wave [from a Dime device] moves from the ground upwards and that's why the majority of patients have huge injuries to the lower part of the body and abdomen...The problem is that most of the patients I saw were children. If they [the Israelis] are trying to be accurate, it seems obvious these weapons were aimed at children." Reports continue to emerge of Israeli war crimes committed during its offensive. Amnesty International yesterday said the deployment of white phosphorus munitions in densely populated areas of Gaza was indiscriminate and illegal. The Israeli military has claimed it was using phosphorous for illumination purposes, but Amnesty found evidence that the incendiary and corrosive substance had been used as a chemical weapon. There have also been reports of the Israeli army firing bullets and shells tipped with depleted uranium. Arab ambassadors yesterday delivered a letter to the International Atomic Energy Agency asking Director General Mohamed ElBaradei to "carry out a radiological and physical assessment in order to verify the presence of depleted uranium in the weaponry used by Israel in the Gaza Strip." According to Israeli officials, ground forces are expected to be withdrawn from Gaza by the time Barack Obama is inaugurated as US president. These cynical political calculations point to the fragility of the ceasefire. There are already voices within the Israeli political and military establishment warning that renewed military action is only a matter of time. Opposition Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that the military "has dealt Hamas a severe blow, but unfortunately the job has not been completed." There remains the danger that the firing of rockets from Gaza will provide the pretext for Israel to launch a broader regional offensive, potentially involving an attack on Iran. Both the Jerusalem Post and Haaretz have published reports today claiming that Tehran plans to smuggle long-range missiles into the Palestinian territories. Neither article included any supporting evidence for this claim, and instead cited "intelligence reports," indicating that the stories were Israeli intelligence-military plants. 20 Jan 2009 @ 21:34 by ursula : Sandi this is nonsense about psychic warefare from me. I'm just trying to get you to think and feel, and you are refusing to do so, to be objective. You are stuck with this we are one thing without understanding that everybody's own consciousness is not where everybody else's is, and that is why there is still war. You can't control everybody's consciousness, it has to develop, and if you are aware you need help to reach that understanding, that source within, then it can happen sooner. There are millions of people who are not ready for this and you can't will it to happen and be surprised when it doesn't happen. That shows you are not accepting of the process, of the individual or even the collective consciousness. By focusing on objectivity, real facts, compassion for all, not just one side, Sandi, you can see where you can grow. You are not providing anything to me other than showing me that there is still so much that needs healing and understanding in the world. You think you have the answer to it all, but you are in a resistant mode. Resistance is a force, like a wall. It is not open to anything different. Thinking is draining for you, because you are conflicted and you are at war with yourself and with me; it is not me doing anything TO you. That is an excuse and playing victim again. Be responsible for yourself. 20 Jan 2009 @ 21:38 by spells : Consciousness Why thank you Dr. Medicine!! I am objective, I side with truth, and with a bigger picture. All consciousness is the same, what you speak of are levels and intent of consciousness. It sounds as if you are suggesting that one should lower their consciousness to hate, anger, war, lies and corruption, just because others on this planet do so. Well then, I leave you to your karma.... 20 Jan 2009 @ 21:41 by ursula : No, you aren't getting it and you seem to be too angry to allow it to filter into you so you can understand it. All consciousness is NOT the same. And don't put words into my mouth - I never ever suggested lowering consciousness. Sandi, you are resistant and that is a block that only you can release, when you're ready and with love. Good bye for now. 20 Jan 2009 @ 22:12 by spells : What is Consciousness? It's interesting, because I know how it feels to converse with you and for the first time, I don't feel any anger. I fell quite good, calm, restive, at peace and clear..... I won't play your headgames, this subject of consciousness and truth is all too important. The truth is the truth. If consciousness is not the same, then what is consciousness made up of and how does it differ? Stand behind your words. If you're not suggesting lowering consciousness and taking action within that level, then what are you suggesting? 20 Jan 2009 @ 22:43 by ursula : It doesn't matter whatever I say, Sandi, you are being argumentative and trying to blame me for what you don't understand, and you're trying to prove I'm doing something to you - excuses for your lack of self-responsibility. Resistance. When your heart opens up, I'll be happy to have a real conversation with you. In the meantime, you might consider exploring separation and why and how it began, and why you chose to participate in it. 21 Jan 2009 @ 00:27 by spells : figures.... Ha, a great cop out..this is the first time I'm hearing that asking questions is being argumentative. Seems as though you don't want to answer what consciousness is and how it is different. Also I was open to what you meant if you didn't mean lowering consciousness, but I don't think you have an answer, because this is important and it does matter. It is seeking the truth of what we are..... 21 Jan 2009 @ 00:27 by ursula : You don't want to do the work that is inner work - I made a suggestion to you so you could find out for yourself, Sandi. While I do know, I doubt you'll accept what I say, so it's much better for you to find out for yourself about the issue of original separation. If you already know about this topic - why and how it was done and why you chose it, then we can talk about it. 21 Jan 2009 @ 00:39 by spells : Wow, for one I've never met.... you CLAIM to know me so well!! Assumptions don't fly, give me facts!! Inner work.....meditation, self knowledge and realization....seeing oneself as soul and not ego, experiencing and living from this perspective....it's the only thing to do in life that really does matter!!! The issue of original separation....do you mean God finding out and experiencing everything there is to experience? Separating or fragmenting the consciousness that is God in order to do this? Is that your point? FYI, I do know what consciousness is and I do meditate and I do take responsiblity for myself. I don't make comments lightly. when I say We are all one, it isn't some platitude that many new agers have made, it is fact. We all come from the same source and we are all made of the same elements. Now what we do with those elements can take many infinite paths. This is not the only world in existence and it is not the only level of consciousness available to our souls. I honestly don't believe that you know what consciousness IS,I don't mean what it does, but what it is. This is not an insult, it's a gut feeling. I Know and See many things, I value Truth above all else, and therefore search out if something is true or not, if I"m wrong, I'm more than happy to learn, but I want to REALIZE why I'm wrong and not hear some platitudes. Therefore, if you can't stand the heat, then yes, it's best to get out of the fire. 21 Jan 2009 @ 01:03 by ursula : Your gut feeling is wrong and you are still argumentative. I did say if you already know we can talk about it. Part of separation is to experience being a creator, and each lifetime imprints, in many ways, each individual. Then, from lifetime to lifetime, unless you are aware and clear out the junk, you carry those imprints and patterns and that gives a person the more individualized consciousness they have. There are different consciousnesses, Sandi, and they all fall under the umbrella of the One Source (hello, this is my area of work!); and having an ego/personality in the physical body gives another dimension to one's consciousness - experiences, lifetimes, imprints, belief systems, patterns, all mold one's consciousness. Then there is the collective unconscious, subconscious, conscious, universal consciousness, superconsciousness...This is an illusion if one knows how to integrate them, and you aren't there, and yes I say that with full conviction. Why? Because you are fighting with me about this, for one thing. And for another, that you show no compassion. Third, if we are all one, as you believe, then where is your oneness with Israel and the Jews; or for that matter, for the Arab people being abused by Hamas? Fourth, that you think everyone is the same when they're not. Your experiences are not mine, mine are not yours, but they are part of the whole. That doesn't make them the same because of how we each internalize them and use them, again, based on our unique signatures. If someone is clueless that they are part of a whole, and what they do to one person they are doing to themselves (something I have talked about here for over 13 years), they are living in greater illusions of separation than those who do know it, and therefore they are unable to understand many things. If they don't know the Source is there, and they don't feel empathy or compassion to understand another person - why would they go to the Source or seek it? That's my point. If you have one civilization that is of one type of consciousness and another with another consciousness that is of a different level, it makes for challenges. If you have one group of people that believes in murder and hatred and doesn't value life, and another who believes in the value of life and peace, you have a problem - and one wants to wipe out the other one and can't see them as being part of the Whole - well, there ya go. That's the Middle East. It's a conflict of and in consciousness. Did you read the article in my log Torah speaks about the Mumbai attacks? 21 Jan 2009 @ 07:43 by koravya : And the Point Is? Wow, sounds like some kinda little problem going on in here. Don’t really hear much of a dialogue. These are intelligent people. All kinda name calling: Nazis, jew-haters, anti-Semites, and all kinds of pontificating about how the way you think is just plain wrong. It’s like, here’s an article up for consideration, and all of a sudden, nuclear war. A very passionate response, I dare say, which leads to an exchange which seems near interminable. It’s either Hamas or the IDF and the Zionists behind the IDF and you are either with us or you are against us, and you either agree with everything we say or you are dead meat. My goodness. I’m an outsider. What am I to make of all this? I’m neither a Jew nor a Muslim, nor a Palestinian, nor an Arab. None of my past lives care from that area, at least so far as known to me so far. I’ve had Jewish friends and I’ve had Muslim friends. I’ve got nothing to prove to either side one way or another. There’s a lot of dead people over in Gaza right now. That really, really sucks. Let me say that again. That really, really sucks. I wanta know why, just because I’m part of this planetary organism, and whenever any part of it hurts, the whole planet feels it. This is the internet age. The whole world that has any sense for these kinds of things, feels it, what is going on over there, in that little five by twenty-five mile strip of land, smaller that a lot of U.S. counties. Imagine your county, Mr. or Mrs. U.S.A. resident, surrounded by hostility. This is not a temporary occurrence. This has been as long as I have lived and there is not end in sight. Always please be careful to distinguish between the peoples of those countries, and the Mafias which represent the leaderships. Is there a remote possibility that a reasonable discussion about a two-state solution might occur when it has never thus far occurred? So much attention has been focused on the rockets that Hamas has been firing into Israel. Here is an article that proposes an analogy. Do you think this is a reasonable analogy? If so, why, and if not, why not? [link] JA 21 Jan 2009 @ 11:04 by ursula : Then why do you even bother to comment here? My point is compassion for ALL people, koravya. That you only care about dead people in Gaza, but not in Israel (that is being biased!), or the fact that Israel has been bombed for a couple of years on a daily basis IS MY POINT, too! For your info, there is already a "Palestine" and an Israel. Gaza and the West Bank are "Palestine". The fact that Gaza is run by Hamas, a terrorist organization that abuses everybody and keeps their people from receiving the life they deserve seems irrelevent to you. And what are you to make of all of this - read the history and the data and decide for yourself. I refuse to read any shit from Rense - he is completely biased against Israel for a long time and his articles are full of lies. 21 Jan 2009 @ 12:21 by martha : Koravya You do have something to prove if you leave a link from Rense. Who do you think you are kidding? Sandi, yes there is one consciousness which embraces all life but within that are many levels of awareness. And it through the process of becoming more aware that you notice the energy that others send. So my point to you about your article and koravya's link is this: Why promote hate and separation? Mistakes have been made on both sides in the middle east. There are no innocents in the conflict. But i am also talking about the NOW. People are not bound to the past unless they choose to be. Israel wants peace. Hamas and Iran and Syria want the distruction of Israel. In fact in this truce at the moment, Hamas makes it very clear that they will re-arm. If Hamas had not been sending rockets into Israel, Israel would not have invaded Gaza. This is not rocket science. If Hamas wants peace then they must find it in their hearts. So far they have not demonstrated that in Gaza. 21 Jan 2009 @ 13:47 by mortimer : Emotional Art Emotional Art: Medicine Dreamer imprint rundown, aka Rusyn mirror image. "Disgraceful" ~ rusyn mirror image "You are the proof that few people learn a damn thing about the past or the present. You are repulsive to me in every way."~ rusyn mirror image "you are not being honest about your very own words and attitude"~ rusyn mirror image "You're very one-sided and without any compassion"~ rusyn mirror image "If you have issues about your own Jewishness, then it's your thing to deal with"~ rusyn mirror image "They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be ignored, either, because they attack"~ rusyn mirror image "your attitude is like a raped woman who feels guilty for being raped and blamed for being raped."~ rusyn mirror image "You think you have the answer to it all, but you are in a resistant mode."~ rusyn mirror image "That is an excuse and playing victim again. Be responsible for yourself."~ rusyn mirror image "No, you aren't getting it and you seem to be too angry to allow it to filter into you so you can understand it."~ rusyn mirror image "you are being argumentative and trying to blame me for what you don't understand, and you're trying to prove I'm doing something to you - excuses for your lack of self-responsibility"~ rusyn mirror image "You don't want to do the work that is inner work"~ rusyn mirror image "Your gut feeling is wrong and you are still argumentative."~ rusyn mirror image "you show no compassion."~ rusyn mirror image 21 Jan 2009 @ 15:01 by martha : mortimer You might want to think why you are spending so much energy doing rusyn morror image stuff. Maybe you are doing some mirroring yourself. Sandi I have unblocked you from my log and I look forward to your comments. Peace and love to you. 21 Jan 2009 @ 15:39 by mortimer : hi martha mirror what? I did not point one finger, those are direct quotes up there. The mirror dont lie! Anybody who has spent time on newciv can see the irony is impeccable. 21 Jan 2009 @ 16:46 by martha : It's the energy mortimere I am simply questioning why you spent so much time quoting her. To me that says there is a connection between the energy you spent quoting her and your intentions. She has done a tremendous amount of inner work and is often misunderstood. I personally have known her for many years and she is one of the most giving and loving people I know. Granted at times she does come across strong with her views BUT her intentions are always grounded. Most people don't like women who speak their mind. And just to be clear we also don't always agree on everything. But we do agree when hate and lies are spread. THAT is not helping bring about a new world. I hope I made myself clear and in no way imply you are prejudice against strong out spoken women. Om Shanti 21 Jan 2009 @ 19:07 by a-d : : Time to remind us all of some ACTUAL FACTS: SOME of the famous ACTUAL QUOTATIONS by Israeli P-Ministers: [link] "We must expel Arabs and take their places." -- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985. "There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99. "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech. "If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel." -- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation). David Ben Gurion Prime Minister of Israel 1949 - 1954, 1955 - 1963 "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." -- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969. "Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen." -- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961 "This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy." -- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971 Golda Meir Prime Minister of Israel 1969 - 1974 "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" -- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979. "[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat." -- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.) "[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs." -- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982. "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." -- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine. "The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country." -- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service. "The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple." -- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997. "(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." -- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988 "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." -- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... -- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000 "If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000. "I would have joined a terrorist organization." -- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998. "Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online were these thing said --AND IMPLEMENTED by the AGRESSORS???? Who feels compelled with all their (In-)famous "Honesty" to respond to this? The further "down" we go into humanities real history --as opposed to the staged/polished up versions-- the MORE of this SHIT WE FIND THERE! So, let us kockoroaches as your name of endearment is for most of ALL Humanity, Nora, where do you want to start to DISCUSS the EVIL?......pardon the "ALL of Humanity for not liking what has been done to us!.... pardon the PALESTINIANS for not liking what has been done to them! and yes, WHY the hell don't YOU go and LIVE there in the thick of it all? spend some time on both sides while the white phosopfours is being poured etcetc. Next thing; why don't you try talk some sense into the "leaders" (maybe on both sides if necessary, but u can always start with your own Kindreds,eh? ) And if you are not willing to discuss these issues, without your endless lies and twisting of truth; the real events, WHO were the AGGRESSORS etc-discussion and their PLAN/s then stay away with your ad hominem shit! You (and your cheer "group") are not adding any thing of value here, only the opposite...which of course is your mission, but keep it for yourself / move it somewhere else, thank you! 21 Jan 2009 @ 20:04 by spells : Answer to Medicinedreamer.... I'm going to try to answer, but I'm very limited for time today. I will take direct quotes from your comments only to be perfectly clear and to save time. Medicine wrote "Part of separation is to experience being a creator, and each lifetime imprints, in many ways, each individual." Spells: The process of incarnating into a separate body, or what you label as separation, is also a way to experience ways to improve and evolve the soul. An atom in my body is separate, but it is still part of the whole, if it is aware of it or not. That is one true meaning of life, and if one doesn't learn from the past, no matter what the imprinting is, then one is not evolving to their greatest potential. This can also be said to be a part of the experiencing and learning process however, one (as a soul) must (for it's highest good) remember it's mission. Part of this mission is to learn in order to evolve. Focusing on one's need for clarity and self knowledge is to know and to guide it's creation/creator towards greater knowledge, wisdom and mastery. Without this de-evolution is the result. De-evolution can also be said to be a path, but one that is not of progression. Some may say that it is a choice and beings can chose this, and yes they absolutely can, but at some point, wouldn't the being want to rise above the fear, pain and insanity of such a path and go back to it's true essence? If not, then you see such a scenario as here on earth. It's not good or bad, it just is. Let me add here, that just because we are experiencing “separation” does not mean that this is the truth of existence. We are always connected. We can deny this, live in opposition to it, however it doesn't make it untrue. Medicine wrote: "Then, from lifetime to lifetime, unless you are aware and clear out the junk, you carry those imprints and patterns and that gives a person the more individualized consciousness they have." Spells: A bit simplistic, but agreed. Medicine wrote: "There are different consciousnesses, Sandi, and they all fall under the umbrella of the One Source (hello, this is my area of work!); and having an ego/personality in the physical body gives another dimension to one's consciousness - experiences, lifetimes, imprints, belief systems, patterns, all mold one's consciousness. Then there is the collective unconscious, subconscious, conscious, universal consciousness, superconsciousness" Spells: I say that consciousness can be likened to a computer's hard drive. It exists, it is there in order for the computer to work. Ego/personality in the body doesn't necessarily give it more dimension, and can be compared to faulty software programs. Unless one stays in their "Creator", "Watcher", (many names) and sees these defective software programs for what they are, then they don't have the clarity to use the proper anti-virus programs to clear them, upgrade them etc to truly progress. This adds to the "changed" focus of the consciousness of the being and they are and remain mislead. This doesn't change what consciousness is, it only gives it a certain direction in which it is experiencing. Now I ask you, would you rather have a hard drive with software added that enhances that hard drive, or would one rather have a virus infected software program? The ego is construct of the mind, it is not an element of consciousness. Consciousness exists throughout the universe, with many different aspects (software) used with it, but it does NOT change what that core consciousness is. Medicine wrote: "This is an illusion if one knows how to integrate them, and you aren't there, and yes I say that with full conviction. Why? Because you are fighting with me about this, for one thing. " Spells: It is not an illusion, however it is wrong focus and throws a soul off course. If by illusion you mean that it is not the true essence and path that the soul would most benefit from, then yes I guess you can call it illusion, however it is being experienced, it is manifested, it is not illusion. Medicine wrote: "Third, if we are all one, as you believe, then where is your oneness with Israel and the Jews; or for that matter, for the Arab people being abused by Hamas? Spell: I take no sides, they are all on the wrong path to evolution and that is the truth, it is not my preference to say. I just point out when one side is obviously taking this way of being to an extreme, more than another side, because this points out the wrong intention and motiviation to a greater degree. To level an area with bombs, depleted uranium, phosphorous and tanks is taking it to an extreme. Medicine wrote: "Fourth, that you think everyone is the same when they're not." Spells: Everyone is made of the same elements of consciousness, therefore at their core they are the same. And I ask you once more to please define what consciousness is, not what it does. If one doesn't know what consciousness is, it can be likened to a baker not knowing what ingredients go into making a cake. they can mix things up, they can bake at certain temperature, but if you bake sand and salt, you most certainly won't make a cake. My cake may not come out the same as yours, but if we used the same recipe', same ingredients, then at it's core, the bread is made up of the same elements. Therefore bread consists of certain ingredients/elements and so does consciousness, and I ask what are these elements? Also just because humans do things a certain way , does not make them the best way or the path to the truth or evolution. They may have their experiences, intentions and so on, to live their lives in certain ways, but unless they are learning and are clear and have some wisdom, then they are probably following a path that any being with clear sight and personal knowledge would not want to follow. Just because humans are doing things a certain way doesn't make it right, doesn't make it an honor of truth and DOESN'T IN ANY WAY CHANGE THE TRUTH of why we are here or what we are here to do. With that in mind why follow any of these denials of the truth in any way. Why take any sides? Why support means and ways to further destruction? One can progress, live in this world with minimal participation to the wrong intentions that abound. This is one way of a warrior. To be the example, even if it means being the so called "outcast". If one knows that we are all one and are here to learn and evolve, and our true essence is consciousness, then why would one support anything that goes against this? This only helps to fortify and feed the wrong motivation, wrong intention and wrong action. I personally won't be a part of that. And it matters not what anyone thinks of that. I won't support governments that declare war, I won't live for "things" as in consumerism/materialism unless they are necessary for survival, I do respect nature and won't support it's destruction, the list goes on and on and I don't have the time to list it all. Why would one join that consciousness when through clarity, truth and wisdom, they have the opportunity to be an example/living proof of what higher consciousness is? Medicine wrote: "If they don't know the Source is there, and they don't feel empathy or compassion to understand another person - why would they go to the Source or seek it?" That's my point. If you have one civilization that is of one type of consciousness and another with another consciousness that is of a different level, it makes for challenges. If you have one group of people that believes in murder and hatred and doesn't value life, and another who believes in the value of life and peace, you have a problem - and one wants to wipe out the other one and can't see them as being part of the Whole - well, there ya go. That's the Middle East. It's a conflict of and in consciousness. Spells: Yeah and as far as I can tell no one there is for peace, no one there goes to the Source and knows we are all one. Peace with certain terms is what they want. You have to live in this place, under these rules and we will punish if you don't abide. Now if the scenario were the other way around and the Israelis were in Gaza and Hamas running Israel, I don't doubt for a moment that this exact same scenario would go on.....so where does it end? Probably with mass destruction. Sorry but I don't in any way shape or form support these intentions. If destruction is the only way to change, then so be it, however I will not lower my awareness, and consciousness, I will not change the focus of my mission to evolve and I won't support useless killing of nature and life forms just because some others on this planet don't have the necessary level of consciousness and good intentions to just look for and seek the truth. The truth of existence and the truth that does exist. For that doesn't change no matter what people think or want to believe. That is their path, but it is not mine. I will not follow their example, and it is totally up to them if they want to look at mine. 21 Jan 2009 @ 21:53 by ursula : Thank you, Martha I appreciate your understanding and clarification. Mortimer - you aren't pointing out mirror images at all. You are just taking my quotes out of context. I have a right to my knowledge, feelings, and opinions, even if nobody else agrees with them. I notice that you don't say anything much anywhere unless it is to attempt to insult me. Look at that mirror image and why it's important for you to do that. Sandi, you have been unblocked from my log, I don't know if you checked, but since you didn't comment to my log you might not know that. I see that there are quite a number of misunderstood comments. It's like in some ways we're talking about the same thing, but not entirely - or another aspect of the same thing. For instance, an example of misunderstanding is that you assume or interpret what I said as meaning no one is for peace or goes to the Source, or knows we are all one. I didn't say that, Sandi. I am talking about a very specific group, Hamas. If Hamas were for peace, knew we were all one, they would not be terrorists. People who are in touch with the Source within would not resort to those kinds of beliefs and behaviors. They have forgotten who they really are. Yes, consciousness divisions are an illusion we create for separation and protection. Through these divisions, we can hide parts of the whole, parts of ourselves that are too distrubing to deal with or that we wish to avoid for the time-being. If you don't agree, then okay, you don't agree. It doesn't make you accurate; it means you have a right to your own opinion. You said "they are all on the wrong path to evolution and that is the truth..." Hmmmm....wow....I don't agree. While I feel that their choices are harmful, it is where they are at with their consciousness right now - showing you that we're NOT all the same. That path will eventually change when they're ready to make that change because they realize the way they are isn't working very well. It doesn't make it wrong - it is a learning process, being in the ILLUSIONS OF SEPARATION. Everyone on earth is experiencing the illusion of separation, some more, some less. You said you won't support governments that declare war or take sides - but you have, Sandi, Rishi. I have a question for you both - do believe that enjoyment is a necessity in life? What is consciousness - can we really describe it accurately in our words, Sandi? What comes close to describing it is that it is an eternal, constant intelligence and communication Source of creation that transcends time and space and set form, was created and exists through love/light, energy, and since we're all made of it and connected to it, as we change, it changes, it expands, there is no way to define it's size, and it effects everything in creation. It is always communicating, there is always this communication exchange going on, even if we choose not to listen. I don't feel words describing it do it justice, though. 22 Jan 2009 @ 01:36 by mortimer : Martha Why do you add 'e' to the end of my member name? I ask because it’s not the first time you have done that and I wonder why you mock my name like that. Emotional Art takes little or no energy at all, in fact it frees up energy. What I offered above about Rusyn is just a quick scan, the first level of introspection. There is more, see.... Check this out, Rusyn starts with this line: "You are the proof that few people learn a damn thing about the past or the present. You are repulsive to me in every way."~ Rusyn mirror image OK, now look at her bottom line: "You show no compassion."~ Rusyn mirror image Martha, you call that well grounded? Somehow that gets translated into 'well grounded' and somehow being a hypocrite translates to...'outspoken woman'. 22 Jan 2009 @ 01:43 by ursula : How about not talking about me? Eh, Mortimer? Why do you have this obsession? You are posting assumptions. Because somebody repulses me doesn't mean I don't feel compassion for them. Now, again, I'm going to ask you to stop this kind of discussion about me. I told you several times not to talk about me or to me. I don't want anything to do with you. 22 Jan 2009 @ 03:12 by mortimer : ya sure she always get nice when i come around, don't want to dance with me huh. Like Jazzo said, its like the school bully who pushes people into the lockers but only does it when certain people are not looking. want more, check this out: #16. "I notice that you don't say anything much anywhere unless it is to attempt to insult me"~ Rusyn mirror image Now go look at the first comments on this thread, oh...other news logs too. Rusyn it notorious for the ridicule. 22 Jan 2009 @ 03:50 by a-d : It is very hard for me to see how defending the crooks who are the original AGGRESSORS, and their evil acts/behaviour would benefit anyone. Crooks, both the aggressor type and the "just crooks", come under ALL Flags, because the Human Psyche wounds /warts & all is always the same on the same vibratory level. Humans ALWAYS defend the side one can see oneself doing!... In other words; when ever Someone defends the AGGRESSOR's and their actions, that is a hundred % sure sign of what that person would do him/herself --if given the Opportunity!... To defend thousands of years old INSANITY/INSANE people and their sick dreams of Supremacy; "power" over other people & overall life-expressions around them in name of God is also a very very questionable "deed" indeed!!... Psychology is NOT about God's relationship with Humans but has EVERYTHING to do with Humans' relationship with GOD = Life (outside of one's own skin) and over all ALL in the Universe; how we treat others ; People, Nature, Animals, Land, Waters etc etc. So many of Humanity has for so long been coersed or seduced to give their support for officially A Good Cause, when in reality it turned out the that Good Cause really was supporting th crooks and their parasitic lifestyle at the expense of all the rest -including those who thought they were doing a Good Thing when supporting!... One cannot be ALL for ALL HUMANITY and support ANY crooks' EVIL!.... because these two are OPPOSITE hence CONTRADICTING EACH OTHER! On top of it all: One time this group of crooks is stronger.Tomorrow it is another fraction of them!... and yet; every one of them(as well) was born totally loving, totally Divine!...and then"something" happened that changed all that!.... till each in their (own) time wakes up back to Life, re-claiming their right to their own Divine Self (the so called Christ/os(consciousness) within Oneself again. What makes our (grown Up) life Divine? Of course; our (choice of) ions/behaviour!... and it is a Life long "Journey" or "Job" to achieve again.To support evil in any group is to deny the fellow humans in one's own group to have this Awakening Back to Life. NONE of US regardless what "side"we root for committed these crimes against ALL of Humanity!So many of these were committed far before we were even born, but people who clearly were mentally really off the wall -as the saying goes, so WHY in the WORLD would we defend the shit????? Either we understand that crooks are crooks (because of their actions ,deeds & behaviour) IF we truly love ALL Humanity and wishing ALL Humanity to heal and become happy & at peace again, ALL living in perfect harmony with one an other, then we should not; canNOT defend crooks any longer, but need to start saying to ALL of them "STOP" - or just ignore them, NOT giving them the attention and energy & support they (still) expect to get from us. We CANNOT do/work for ( the) BOTH these models at the same time!.... that is like being half pregnant, eating the cake and having it too plus other similar cliches!... 22 Jan 2009 @ 04:57 by koravya : Referencing The article titled When Israel Expelled Palestinians was written by: "Randall Kuhn is an assistant professor and Director of the Global Health Affairs Program at the University of Denver Josef Korbel School of International Studies. He just returned from a trip to Israel and the West Bank." Article appeared in the Washington Times. Quote from the article: "Well, I'm Jewish and the scenario above is what many prominent Israeli scholars say happened when Israel expelled Palestinians from southern Israel and forced them into Gaza." JA Randall Kuhn [link] Curriculum vitae [link] *-_-* 22 Jan 2009 @ 11:58 by ursula : So what....Koravya "We are not happy about the destruction in the Gaza Strip and we regret the loss of civilian lives," he said. "Hamas determined the theater of this conflict and its operatives were the targets for IDF attacks. Their operations from within densely populated areas, schools, hospitals and mosques endangered the residents of Gaza." [Barak] 22 Jan 2009 @ 18:53 by koravya : Question Not sure I understand the question. I interpret "So What . . ." as a question. Is it a question? If so, please clarify. I submitted Randall Kuhn's article to this discussion with my question. "Here is an article that proposes an analogy. Do you think this is a reasonable analogy? If so, why, and if not, why not?" Are we working with this, or are we working with something else? Best wishes. JA 25 Jan 2009 @ 21:21 by spells : No time for distractions.... Medicine asked: "I have a question for you both - do believe that enjoyment is a necessity in life?" quick answer: This has nothing to do with the topic at hand and it is a distraction from the truth. If you want to ask this question, I highly recommend you ask a Palestinian, Iraqi, or Holocaust Survivor, just to name a few. I must add here that I was going to write a long answer on my computer at home, to address many points made here and to clarify my comments, but I could feel the energy behind the conversation fading away and it felt that very few sincerely care about the state of consciousness that prevails around the world....At this point the only way to help in any way is to be that which raises the consciousness of humans, so that it can ripple out as a pebble in a lake. 25 Jan 2009 @ 21:47 by ursula : Sandi I answered your question about consciousness. If you think that enJOYment is not part of why we are here, it reflects a lot about how you feel about yourself and life, Sandi. Does not matter where you live or what politics are happening, or that it has to do with giving a damn about anyone else - that's a cop-out. Ever see the movie "Life is Beautiful?" Stop trying to lecture about stuff you don't know. I'm not happy to see that you're still playing games with yourself, (that old subconscious and unconscious and HUGE negative ego at work), and I see through you. I feel sad for you, but I do not pity you, and this will be the last time I interact with you. 26 Jan 2009 @ 03:28 by koravya : Way, Hey, Spells / Sandi Who cares? I recently garnered a snippet of information that 87 percent of the U.S. population understand what’s going on out there via the MSM. That leaves thirteen percent, what you might refer to as relatively free thinkers who seek alternative sources. I’ll bet every member of this website is a member of that thirteen percent. The differences in approach and position are pronounced, but there’s a lot of seekers in here, and you know it’s kind of scary to start to be generalizing across populations, ‘cause I know I’ve met some of the most amazing and important people to me in some of the most unexpected circumstances, that I really hate to be lumpin’ whole bunches together according to this, that, or something else. Lota people care. Lota people don’t know what to do. Lota people feel powerless, which is just exactly what they’re meant to do, and that sense of powerlessness creates angers, and angers inevitably need to be expressed. The people who are shooting each other have all been manipulated. All of the anger coming from their feelings of powerlessness is being channeled into killing each other, for all kinds of made up reasons. Generally, something to believe in, whether is be a god or a flag. You’re a thinker and you gotta keep saying what you think and maybe somebody out there, somewhere along the line, will pick up a little bit on what you’re saying. JA **** Thanks for your comments, Koravya. May I add once again that people have lost their self knowledge of who and what they are. They are not a country, a job, a gender etc at their deepest core. These are only things they do, not what they are!! The whole situation with humans on this planet is that they have lost contact/awareness of their very essence, their soul, including their connection to all and the purpose of life. Every thing else that we see from illness to wars is a symptom of this. If they remembered and respected the truth of who they are and why they are here, wars, religions, power struggles, wrong intent, wrong focus, money as God etc would not be needed to have one feel alive. If one would truly like to change this, then the most fundamental solution is to get to the cause. Clearing symptoms is what modern medicine does, but it doesn't cure one of what ails them. It most often, just eases the symptoms. I must say again that the truth is that we are souls/consciousness (awareness, energy and intent) in bodies and until we grasp this truth and live by it, not much will change. Just a side note: It is not surprising that there is a rise in illnesses such as Alzheimer's disease. In essence most have this illness to some degree because they don't know who they really are. (Souls/Consciousness) The result is that the mind is going in this direction and losing it's analytical, memory etc functions, and this is no surprise when one considers this true cause. Don't you agree? 26 Jan 2009 @ 19:38 by spells : Consciousness is..... Medicine wrote: "If you think that enJOYment is not part of why we are here, it reflects a lot about how you feel about yourself and life, Sandi. Does not matter where you live or what politics are happening, or that it has to do with giving a damn about anyone else - that's a cop-out. Ever see the movie "Life is Beautiful?" Stop trying to lecture about stuff you don't know. I'm not happy to see that you're still playing games with yourself, (that old subconscious and unconscious and HUGE negative ego at work), and I see through you. I feel sad for you, but I do not pity you, and this will be the last time I interact with you." I do NOT understand why this was written, I thought I made it perfectly clear that I only use the library internet and don't always have the time to answer. Up to this point, I never said anything about enjoyment. To clarify....when I said that the energy behind this discussion was fading, it was a true insight that I received whenever I sat at my computer to respond. It was not an insult to anyone, it was the intuitive feeling I was getting. There are two (or more) sides to all discussions, in words, feelings, thoughts, energy etc, and that is why it is so important to stay on a subject, and not take things personally or make them into a battle, in order for true resolution to be reached. Besides that I haven't had time to answer and furthermore, I was contemplating Medicinedreamer's question and the intent behind it. Even though the man (forgot his name) (in life is beautiful) tried in all ways to keep his son alive, does not mean he was experiencing joy. Just because life has the capacity to be beautiful, does not mean that humans live by this. Nature knows the joy of life, and the beauty to be found in the universe. Because Nature knows this, and innately we are a part of nature, then yes joy or enjoyment is a part of life. I ask anyone.....What is more joyful than seeking true self knowledge (at a soul level, not ego, not mind, not psychological). There is nothing that has more enjoyment than to know that vastness that one is, and that one is the Observer, the Traveler with the capacity for so much more!! Sounds like new age posturing, but further on I discuss what consciousness is, and know this from experience NOT by theory! I was going to say that if you'd like to discuss this, (enjoyment) to please start a log on your newslog and I will answer there when possible...I would like to keep the discussion here on consciousness and in that general direction. I do know what consciousness is and if one would take the time to meditate on this in depth, it can be seen by anyone. Consciousness consists of 3 elements: 1. Awareness: The ability to know what is happening and what is being done. An observation of experience and states traveled. 2. Energy: the fuel for consciousness. 3. Intent: The motivational force behind all the actions of consciousness. Beyond the physical level/dimension, this is the force of all consciousness and determines how it manifests. I would love to discuss this most important subjects of subjects/science of sciences with anyone interested as time allows. I would be more than happy to go into more depth if anyone is truly interested. Again I am very strapped for time here. Lately the library is busier than usual. I didn't write important emails this morning so that I could answer here. That is often the case, I must make a choice on what I address in the time I have. 27 Jan 2009 @ 18:17 by spells : question..... Hi everyone, I have a question for anyone....why is it that the discussion of what consciousness is, doesn't spark an answer from anyone? Any answer? Doesn't anyone find it interesting, fascinating and terribly important? Thanks for any reply.... 27 Jan 2009 @ 20:09 by a-d : Sandy, here is one "reason" -maybe-why people don't say anything when it comes to "consciousness" The Subject of WHAT really "Consciousness" is --or what it is not-- is SOOOoooooo battered by ALL the fundamentalists; be it as secular science or ideology or inside from any of their sick religions!.... I will try to share what I think consciousness "is" .So let me state all as a matter of fact --even thought it is all subjectively what I see. SOME people might resonate with parts of it.Some with even less or some with all .... who knows! It doesn't really matter.What matters when push comes to shove is HOW do we humans RELATE to LIFE outside of our own skin????> HOW ETHICAL = FAIR are we in giving other Life forms the rights we want to keep for ourselves? OK,so I will come back to this after I give my "definition" on "Consciousness" It is a Living Being's TOGETHER-KNOWINGNESS of the COSMIC MISSION it has been given by GOD/Life : An Earthworm has been given a certain Mission --apart from , let's say a Nematode's. IF an Earthworm start doing what Nematodes have been assigned then either the Earthworm "turns" into a Nematode or will screw up his own life seriously as well as becoming --most likely --very destructive to all around him, while trying to be something that he was NOT made to be! This same principle goes for Humans --of course! ...as well for ALL Living Things. Whether the Earthworm has (self) AWARENESS of it all or does things "just" from the Cosmic Programming who knows --and really; who cares!?!?.... It is INCONSEQUENTIAL as long as ONE STAYS onTRACK! Humans were/ARE made to COSMIC BEINGS, with ACCESS to LIFE EVER LASTING, instead of being MORTAL "Earthlings".How and why and when this first serious DEVOLUTION occured in Humans' Awareness of his own divinity is hard to say and also inconsequential against the FACT the WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO UNDERSTANDING THIS TRUTH! If we as a Collective Humanity fail in this; we WILL in that case contnue with some minor Up lifting moments of "improvement of our Social condition" fall even lower and lower and eventually annihilate ourselves!...just like an Eathworm, who forgot what he was made to be. SOMEWHERE at SOME POINT this RE-DISCOVERY of own own truth MUST become the most broad and intesnse ongoing DISCUSSION, Humanity has ever had! We CANNOT AFFORD to ALLOW the LOWEST SELF AWARENESS (the Fundamentalists/PSYCHOS) RULE (the word means limit) any longer!... just because the PSYCHO is a PARASITIC ILLNESS and hence needs a victim of HIGHER ENERGY to feed on/from !.... THIS we CANNOT AFFORD TO GO ON ANY LONGER! Already in his Earth time Jesus said: the highest among you;-the "political" (people manipulating crooks; the PARASITES ))-- will be -once again- the LOWEST and the lowest among you; the ("GRASSROOT" People (&)) Innocents will be -again- the highest!... We are right there right now: at the CROSS ROADS!WHICH WILL it be? It depends on HOW MANY of US WILL HAVE --or get-- THE AWARENESS of/about this COSMIC TRUTH! 27 Jan 2009 @ 22:26 by spells : good to hear from you.... Thanks A-d, I'll write more tomorrow when time allows...... 18 Feb 2009 @ 18:08 by vaxen : Dear Sandi... Sciousness, a term coined by William James in The Principles of Psychology, refers to consciousness separate from consciousness of self. James wrote: Instead of the stream of thought being one of con-sciousness, 'thinking its own existence along with whatever else it thinks'...it might better be called a stream of Sciousness pure and simple, thinking objects of some of which it makes what it calls a 'Me,' and only aware of its 'pure' Self in an abstract, hypothetic or conceptual way. Each 'section' of the stream would then be a bit of sciousness or knowledge of this sort, including and contemplating its 'me' and its 'not-me' as objects which work out their drama together, but not yet including or contemplating its own subjective being.[1] When James first introduced "sciousness" he held back from proposing it as a possible prime reality in The Principles of Psychology, warning that it "traverse[s] common sense."[2]. He allowed that he might return to a consideration of sciousness at the conclusion of the book, where he would "indulge in some metaphysical reflections," but it was not until two years later in his conclusion to the abridged edition of The Principles that he added: Neither common-sense, nor psychology so far as it has yet been written, has ever doubted that the states of consciousness which that science studies are immediate data of experience. "Things" have been doubted, but thoughts and feelings have never been doubted. The outer world, but never the inner world, has been denied. Everyone assumes that we have direct introspective acquaintance with our thinking activity as such, with our consciousness as something inward and contrasted with the outer objects which it knows. Yet I must confess that for my part I cannot feel sure of this conclusion. Whenever I try to become sensible of thinking activity as such, what I catch is come bodily fact, an impression coming from my brow, or head, or throat, or nose. It seems as if consciousness as an inner activity were rather a postulate than a sensibly given fact, the postulate, namely, of a knower as correlative to all this known; and as if "sciousness" might be a better word by which to describe it. But "sciousness postulated as a hypothesis" is a practically a very different thing from "states of consciousness apprehended with infallible certainty by an inner sense." For one thing, it throws the question of who the knower really is wide open….[3] [link] Scious 0.04 sec. Sci´ous a. 1. Knowing; having knowledge. [link] Sci"ous (?), a. [L. scius.] Knowing; having knowledge. "Brutes may be and are scious." Coleridge. [1913 Webster] [link] conscious 1601, from L. conscius "knowing, aware," from conscire (see conscience); probably a loan-translation of Gk. syneidos. A word adopted from the Latin poets and much mocked at first. Sense of "active and awake" is from 1837. conscience c.1225, from O.Fr. conscience, from L. conscientia "knowledge within oneself, a moral sense," prp. of conscire "be mutually aware," from com- "with" + scire "to know." Probably a loan-translation of Gk. syneidesis. Sometimes nativized in O.E./M.E. as inwit. Rus. also uses a loan-translation, so-vest, "conscience," lit. "with-knowledge." Conscientious objector first recorded 1916. science c.1300, "knowledge (of something) acquired by study," also "a particular branch of knowledge," from O.Fr. science, from L. scientia "knowledge," from sciens (gen. scientis), prp. of scire "to know," probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish," related to scindere "to cut, divide," from PIE base *skei- (cf. Gk. skhizein "to split, rend, cleave," Goth. skaidan, O.E. sceadan "to divide, separate;" see shed (v.)). Modern sense of "non-arts studies" is attested from 1678. The distinction is commonly understood as between theoretical truth (Gk. episteme) and methods for effecting practical results (tekhne), but science sometimes is used for practical applications and art for applications of skill. Main modern (restricted) sense of "body of regular or methodical observations or propositions ... concerning any subject or speculation" is attested from 1725; in 17c.-18c. this concept commonly was called philosophy. To blind (someone) with science "confuse by the use of big words or complex explanations" is attested from 1937, originally noted as a phrase from Australia and New Zealand. shed (v.) "cast off," O.E. sceadan, scadan "to divide, separate," strong verb (pt. scead, pp. sceadan), from P.Gmc. *skaithanan (cf. O.S. skethan, O.Fris. sketha, M.Du. sceiden, Du. scheiden, O.H.G. sceidan, Ger. scheiden, Goth. skaidan), from *skaith "divide, split," probably related to PIE base *skei- "to cut, separate, divide, part, split" (cf. Skt. chid-, Gk. skhizein, L. scindere "to split;" Lith. skedzu "I make thin, separate, divide;" O.Ir. scian "knife;" Welsh chwydu "to break open"). In ref. to animals, "to lose hair, feathers, etc." recorded from 1510. The above definitions, like pearls on a thread, should get us closer to a real time, useable, definition of Con--"study," from O.E. cunnan "to know, know how" (see can (v.))., Scious-Scire-Scientia--knowledge, knowing, ness--suffix of action, quality or state, attached to an adj. or pp. to form a noun, from O.E. -nes(s), general W.Gmc., cf. M.Du. -nisse, O.H.G. -nissa, Ger. -nis, Goth. -inassus. Yes I am very interested in discussing what con-'scious'-ness (Composite word form) really is. Mostly I find that stilling the body and the machinations of the so called egoic mind, leads to an awareness both inner and outer which I call con-scious-ness. It doesn't come in lots of heavily thought out, deeply worded 'phileo-sophia'-s, though the original meaning and intend of that compound word have been garbeled via not understanding, and intellectual ignorance, and arrogance, of the pundits who proclaim to be 'edu-cators, but which are rambling asses mostly. I suppose, then, that we properly, for a good definition, should in all likelihood disect the compound word into the elements which make it up. Con, Scious, and Ness. The core, scious, should be our first, intial, probing. DO you know what the word 'scious' means? SInce you don't have a lot of time I'll leave this stand, as it were, for further reflection by those who may sojourn here. SInce my last visit here several people have left NCN, for good they say, so maybe it will be easier for you to concentrate upon your truth and not be sidetracked by those who are detractors. Hope to see you back here soon that we might continue, sally forth, with this adventure in discovery. ▌♀☻@Γ PS: They tried the same dirty tricks on me, too, sandi. Forgive them for they know not what they do? Thankyou very much for your article and standing up for the truth against outrageous lies and bigotry. Hope you are OK after that scathing Psychic Attack! You aren't alone. 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