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28 Jan 2009 @ 18:25, by Sandi Hunter

I am moving this discussion on consciousness to a new article and comment stream in order to keep continuity and to stay on track. I am also moving A-d's comment to this log to start the discussion.

Many (including myself) have said that we are all one and from the same Source. This is the Truth, however how many have actually explored what that really means. What does the Source consist of? What are we made of?

I offer you here a clear explanation of what Consciousness is and from Whence we come and what we are made of. I invite all to meditate on this and see what insights come up. This is the most fundamental item ever offered and it is truly exciting and True!!

Please take the time to meditate on this and post your comments for further discussion.

Love, clarity and peace to you,
Spells/Sandi

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The Attributes of mass consciousness and its relationship to Intent

Consciousness may be discussed using the analogy of a flashlight. Consciousness is composed of three elements which are; Energy, Awareness and Intent. Awareness is like a flashlight at night. Through this medium, whatever we focus our attention upon is illuminated and revealed. Our energy is the light itself, and that which points the flashlight is Intent .

Consciousness, and how it organizes group minds

A group mind is analogous to a cluster of cells which compose a body. Each cell has its own individual consciousness, (composed of intent, awareness and energy) which has its specialized function for the organism of which it is a member. Multi-cellular organisms exhibit far greater capacities and abilities than do single celled organisms, for the simple reason that there is vast power inherent in cooperation and specialization. A group of like minded individuals is essentially no different, in that each person contributes the essence of their focus, (awareness) will, (intent) and force of motivation, (energy) to the group effort. For this reason groups of persons are far more powerful by potential, than a collection of separated individuals. Their "group space" or mind, is geometrically more powerful than an equivalent number of individuals who are not aligned in joint purpose, and indifferent to one another.

In any group setting, be it cellular, community-wide or in such a case as international relations, any task may be more easily carried out through cooperation. At each level, group mind effects are observable. The advantages of cooperative action have to do with the principle of natural law known as specialization. When the members of any collective specialize in their functions, the distribution of "labor" in the accomplishment of any task is made more efficient. The reason for this is simple. When a group is composed of specialized individuals, then all are freed to perform their specialized duties without distraction by other considerations.

Non-cooperating individuals who act alone, are forced to do everything in life for themselves, which means they cannot afford to specialize (and do one single task extremely well). They must address all the tasks of life simultaneously every day. This tends to be an inefficient method of living.

In a situation such as a tribal village however, specific duties are carried out by certain members for the good of the whole. Some are involved with catching or growing food, others with its preparation, as well as the making of clothing, building, organizing and conducting spiritual events. An individual must do all of these things to stay healthy, which is a comparatively enormous burden of labor. To be singular is to waste energy, and to have ones' attention (awareness) divided into the diverse categories of many daily tasks. Cooperating individuals become like the organs of a greater body thus formed, whenever those of a like mind come together. Cooperation affords many more advantages than does individual effort for this reason, because the load of essential tasks is divided up interconnectedly, with the good of the whole, (the many) being the first priority. From such an arrangement each individual is vastly benefited and strengthened by the collective. Ultimately, and by taking the example of nature, this is the Intent and method we must employ on a social, planetary basis.

We are as cells in the body of the World Mind. When we come together as groups with a specific focus, we form what is analogous to tissues, muscles and organs within the planetary body. At present, there is a particular need for groups, (organs) of persons who specialize in that aspect of consciousness expansion known as clarity. In other words, there is a great need in the world for certain of its members, to take on the function of the "higher brain centers", for this World Mind to which we belong. Our species needs a specialized organ or "brain", which is capable of psychically guiding the rest of the body of humanity into a future that is not only inclusive of enlightened intentions, but also our continued evolution and true spiritual progress.

Our spiritual progress also depends on a planetary "heart" being formed by individuals who radiate love. Our mutual love can be so strong that its effects defy the imagination. Both of the above types of psychic specialists, will act in unison to "channel" and transform the mindstates and Intent of the rest of humanity. Through this psychic channeling the Body that is our species will be moved in unison on a psychic, (unified field) level. The Intent of world connectivity via spiritual Intent, will be manifest on higher and higher levels, as the continuous standing reality.

The group mind principle, (of natural law) is as follows, "the resulting force generated from the combining of like minds, is geometrically greater than the sum of its parts". In other words, minds which are focused together upon a common theme, create a mutual force which is not merely additive, but vastly more powerful than any one individual or group of individuals. Group mind influence is in fact, a multiplying effect, expanding by factors of ten or more.

It is a mode of relating that is mutually beneficial and spiritual in nature, as distinguished from the usual person to person separateness or loneliness seen today. For this reason, our need as a species and as individuals, is to recognize that our society functions according to the group mind principle. Every couple, family, neighborhood, community, region, city, company, sporting event, nation, music band, meditation group, and meeting of two or more persons in like cause, exhibit group mind phenomena to a significant degree. Given the prevalence of group mind influence, we must make best use of its love and clarity-multiplying effects, if we are to realistically expect to survive the new millennium. We must come together as groups of spiritually minded persons, who employ the Intent of mutual benefit, the awareness of our global community, and the direction of inner energy for the sake of building a better world.

Groups of meditators may specialize in their function/intent for the good of the local group mind, (which they form while in meditation). Two or more persons may meet and first meditate, (see GM series #3 in the WMS Library, ([link] ). They may then send feelings of love and clear seeingness/wise understanding, (clarity) to all the other participants. These other participants will in turn send their love and clarity to each individual. A psychic "area of effect" then arises, surrounding the group as a type of collective aura. This aura is similarly composed of love and clarity, as a result of the projected intents of each meditator. At a critical moment the group will see itself as one singular, conscious entity, which is capable of rendering simultaneous action, through the medium of several meditating body/minds. This is known as "group casting" or "group manifestation". Groups should use the Intent of "raising the world" via the mediums of love and high feelings, as well as clarity. The World mind collective intention, may in this fashion be raised, (in levels of consciousness) via the Intentions of such groups and individual meditators around the world. We must Intend a critical mass type of transformation, whereby the mindstates, feelings, intentions and thought patterns of our collective are shifted. The body of humanity must be coordinated and transformed by those who are willing to specialize within this body, “to perform such functions” as the generation of Love and Clarity for all humanity.

Whenever the idea crosses your mind, send forth love and/or clarity to the world. During this moment, Intend love and clarity be sent to each person who has read this article. Don't over-analyze how to do this sending of love and clarity just yet, merely have confidence that it will be sent, and in turn received from others. Just relax, feel, and visualize an interconnected web of light, between the readers of this page. Let this visualized network(ing), which extends around the world, represent pathways whereby love and clarity are being mutually transmitted, jointly received, and then re-transmitted at an even greater level of intensity, with each minute that passes. Let love and clarity grow among us throughout the world in a domino-like succession.

Let these qualities travel from person to person like a great interconnecting wave, which mutually reinforces and builds.

We will in effect, "raise each others consciousness" daily in this way. The effects of this meditation will be increasingly potent and cumulative to a high degree. In the mean time, study the GM series in the WMS library, [link] to learn more about the specifics of group mind and Intent.

Matthew Webb visionquest@eoni.com The World Mind Society [link]

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28 Jan 2009 @ 18:26 by spells : From A-d
27 Jan 2009 @ 20:09 by a-d : Sandy, here is

one "reason" -maybe-why people don't say anything when it comes to "consciousness" The Subject of WHAT really "Consciousness" is --or what it is not-- is SOOOoooooo battered by ALL the fundamentalists; be it as secular science or ideology or inside from any of their sick religions!....

I will try to share what I think consciousness "is" .So let me state all as a matter of fact --even thought it is all subjectively what I see. SOME people might resonate with parts of it.Some with even less or some with all .... who knows! It doesn't really matter.What matters when push comes to shove is HOW do we humans RELATE to LIFE outside of our own skin????> HOW ETHICAL = FAIR are we in giving other Life forms the rights we want to keep for ourselves?

OK,so I will come back to this after I give my "definition" on "Consciousness"

It is a Living Being's TOGETHER-KNOWINGNESS of the COSMIC MISSION it has been given by GOD/Life : An Earthworm has been given a certain Mission --apart from , let's say a Nematode's. IF an Earthworm start doing what Nematodes have been assigned then either the Earthworm "turns" into a Nematode or will screw up his own life seriously as well as becoming --most likely --very destructive to all around him, while trying to be something that he was NOT made to be!

This same principle goes for Humans --of course! ...as well for ALL Living Things. Whether the Earthworm has (self) AWARENESS of it all or does things "just" from the Cosmic Programming who knows --and really; who cares!?!?.... It is INCONSEQUENTIAL as long as ONE STAYS onTRACK!
Humans were/ARE made to COSMIC BEINGS, with ACCESS to LIFE EVER LASTING, instead of being MORTAL "Earthlings".How and why and when this first serious DEVOLUTION occured in Humans' Awareness of his own divinity is hard to say and also inconsequential against the FACT the WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO UNDERSTANDING THIS TRUTH! If we as a Collective Humanity fail in this; we WILL in that case contnue with some minor Up lifting moments of "improvement of our Social condition" fall even lower and lower and eventually annihilate ourselves!...just like an Eathworm, who forgot what he was made to be.

SOMEWHERE at SOME POINT this RE-DISCOVERY of own own truth MUST become the most broad and intesnse ongoing DISCUSSION, Humanity has ever had!
We CANNOT AFFORD to ALLOW the LOWEST SELF AWARENESS (the Fundamentalists/PSYCHOS) RULE (the word means limit) any longer!... just because the PSYCHO is a PARASITIC ILLNESS and hence needs a victim of HIGHER ENERGY to feed on/from !.... THIS we CANNOT AFFORD TO GO ON ANY LONGER!
Already in his Earth time Jesus said: the highest among you;-the "political" (people manipulating crooks; the PARASITES ))-- will be -once again- the LOWEST and the lowest among you; the ("GRASSROOT" People (&)) Innocents will be -again- the highest!...
We are right there right now: at the CROSS ROADS!WHICH WILL it be? It depends on HOW MANY of US WILL HAVE --or get-- THE AWARENESS of/about this COSMIC TRUTH!  



28 Jan 2009 @ 20:08 by ashanti : Question
I really do love the way Matthew writes, so clear. I have a question:

What happens if you are an individual, reasonably conscious, aware, striving to become more so, (as you realise you are by no means there yet), but still - you have an awareness of that great Love and Truth that is the infinite One - and the group consciousness around you is very, very low, almost flatlined? That it is a daily struggle to keep your own consciousness awake, when everyone, and I mean everyone, around you is unconscious, living robotically, unquestioning, selfish, for themselves only? You do have some effect, you do plant seeds, and at times, there is an occasional flicker of consciousness in response to your presence, or there is a violent resentment, but by and large, you are dealing with dead consciousness. Your only way of staying conscious is to be an individual, separate, and not merge with the group into unconsciousness.

How does one deal with this in a better way?  



28 Jan 2009 @ 22:58 by spells : Ashanti
This is such a relevant question and I know exactly what you mean by asking this. Rishi says that the best thing to do in times like these is to withdraw your intent elements from the world at large as best you can, reject society (all that is wrong) and raise your consciousness as best you can.

Raise awareness... to be more aware and in depth about what is happening around you, how it effects you and what type of action you can take.

Raise energy....raise your vibration (through meditation and intention) to a higher vibrating rate so that you are not alligned with the lower vibration around you. If you are not aligned in any way, you will be less influenced by it and able to maintain your higher awareness etc.

Raise your intent...so that you it is purer and more effective in staying out of lower consciousness vibrations.

These are focuses that can take up much of one's time until they reach a point of inertia where the 3 elements are going in the right direction so to speak. Even though we are aware of these phenomena, we may still have to overcome past inertia in order to stay out of it or above it.

By doing these things you will effect the area around you and those that come into contact with you because you will effect them in a "higher" way and you won't be as effected by them as you may have been in the past.

THere are many good articles on this in the World Mind Society Library. The Perpetual Raising Series talks of this in greater detail. There are also articles on Intent, the Purification of Intent, info about inertia, etc. If you cannot find the answers easily, please let me know and I will look it up in the library on the WMS website and let you know the specific articles.

Rishi isn't with me at the library this time, however I will show him your question and see what else he will add. I will also think on this and see what insights I may share.

Thanks for writing and I do hope this is of some aid.  



28 Jan 2009 @ 23:12 by ursula : Ashanti
I can offer some suggestions to your questions. If it is a group that you absolutely must be involved with, then you can accept where they are in their own consciousness, and focus on your own. You can't make them change - you can only be the example of it. If it is a group you can let go of, then perhaps it's time to do that and move on to a different vibration. When we change, our associations, friends, relationships change. That often brings resentment and confusion to others, but it is the only way to move on. Those who can't accept the new you, will drop away and you will find new people. You don't have to run away from society, or reject it - after all - if we are all one in the larger picture, then you are part of that consciousness, too. We are all one, but NOT all the same. So you'd be rejecting a part of yourself - see? If you understand what it is you wish to let go of for yourself, then do so, but not out of flat-out rejection. Understand it, first. Then you transform yourself to be the you that you prefer to be.  


28 Jan 2009 @ 23:28 by spells : clarification
Dear Ashanti,

No one said to run away from society. I hope you understood the intention of my words. The truth is that the things we allign with will have a greater impact than the things we don't align with, pure and simple. Yes, we are all connected however we can have the awareness of what is right, what is wrong, what is worth fighting for, & what is worth being alligned with, etc.

By rejection I mean to see the truth behind what is going on in society and knowing what to actively and consciously be in accord with. If one is aware of their connection, then one can also decide what to do with that connection.

For example, I reject Materialism. Not because materialism in itself is so bad, but because of what it has contributed to our society. People believe they are their jobs, possessions, cars, gender, body, mind, (things that are material and physical) etc, the list goes on and on. I reject this notion because it just isn't true. This doesn't mean I expect anyone else to do so, however by my living in truth of how far materialism has gone, and living first from consciousness, I (as you said earlier) plant a seed. This way my intention is also out there and hopefully (for the highest good and greatest benefit) can influence others. The highest good and greatest benefit are always a part of my intention. By looking beyond what people may do, say and act out, I hopefully and with effort live in accordance with nature (which is dying because of our materialism, and wasteful living; because of our materialistic extravagance), in accordance with what our soul's are here to do, (live for a higher purpose and Good) and I live for what is true, even if it means others won't like it. The truth exists even if we don't want it to, or we don't like it.

I am running out of time again, here, I do hope this helps to clarify my intent.  



29 Jan 2009 @ 22:30 by rishi : Psychic Survival in the Modern Age....
Dear Ashanti,

What you’ve asked is without doubt the most important question I’ve ever heard posed on this forum. You asked, What happens to the [aware] individual who is surrounded by the low consciousness of the public, (robotic, unquestioning, and selfish)?

Although Spells addressed your question in general terms, I’d like to further amplify it here. This is a very serious matter, one that is impossible to take lightly and still maintain one’s spiritual practice. First of all, there is no question at all that the consciousness of the modern public is indeed very low. It is permeated with fear and pain as a psychic, field-effect, one that can be easily perceived by the aware person at most times of day or night. Likewise noticed by the thinking, questioning person, is the robotic, unquestioning and selfish nature of the consumer world, whose fruits are plain to see…widespread environmental destruction, unnecessary war, insanity and domestic unrest. There are only two ways that anyone could possibly miss the fact that the modern world has gone horribly astray from common sense, let alone truth for its’ own sake. One is through sheer naïveté from living in some sort of an insulated bubble of perception, and the other is through a completely dishonest denial of the world and domestic scene.

The point in saying this is not only that it is true, but to re-affirm what this implies for the practitioner. It implies that such a person is an alien within their own culture. The low consciousness of the modern is on a suicide course, and it is composed of people, (the vast majority) who secretly hate their lives, (for good reason) and who deny the truth at all costs, even if that means a quick and painful death. It is this mindset which would rather die of cancer than to really change anything about their lives, who would rather have wars for profit based upon lies, than to EVER employ the energy to challenge the status quo. It is such a mindset that would rather destroy the natural world and everything in it, including the welfare of their own children and grandchildren, than to turn away from their “profit-above-all-else” and “money-as-God” value system. To put all of this simply would be to say that the vast majority don’t value their lives, or in fact, life itself, and frankly don’t care if their actions/lifestyle contribute to the death of all life on earth. All of this does indeed imply that the aware and caring person is an incomprehensible alien within their own culture, and that fact will not change until such a time as the current world consciousness is either upgraded, or the majority of humanity dies off as a result of its’ own self-destructive madness.

In essence then, be prepared to remain, “the outsider” even while you are filled with the earnest desire to align with others on a loving and exalted way, and even when you only desire to uplift the human condition. Remember that such a mindset as the consumer world does not wish to be saved…the shallow life of the consumer is a dead end, it creates only an emptiness inside, it stands for nothing, and would, secretly, prefer to die than to change. Use this knowledge and realize there’s only so much that can be done for people who deny that anything is wrong in this paradigm, and who do not wish to be uplifted. “Plant seeds” as you will, but don’t make the mistake of placing your self-worth as a practitioner on the line that is measured by the publics’ awakening.

What you said is basically correct….”Your only way of staying conscious is to be an individual separate, and not merge with the group consciousness”. That’s not ultimately the ONLY way, but it is the best way…dis-identification with the consciousness/paradigm of the modern world.

Even more concretely, I recommend daily meditation upon the feelings that run throughout the body, as a sum total. FEEL the entire body as a whole, and note those areas which are of a lower vibration, (lower feeling). In accomplishing this, you cultivate self knowledge. Notice then how such feeling(s) change when in the presence of different people, and know this change to be the result of their intent upon you. In accomplishing this, you cultivate knowledge of others. By having self knowledge and (psychic) knowledge of others’ intention, you will be empowered to clearly SEE what is of your own doing, (your intent) and the psychic impact of other peoples’ intent. This is an invaluable distinction, one that will allow you to remain unscathed by the psychic chaos of the world.

Having gained such knowledge and being starkly honest about it then, “take psychic action” as necessary. If you are being impacted by another person psychically to negative effect, then do what is necessary to detach that effect, and be unburdened by it. Visualizations can aid such action, but the bottom line of it rests within the feelings that run throughout the body. The body is a psychic transceiver….it sends and receives constantly. We can discuss the particulars of this practice if you like.

Another extremely useful practice is what some people call “soul retrieval”, but with a knowledge of intent thrown in. We are constantly sending and receiving information at the energetic, (psychic) level, as I said. If you use your intent to regain this energy, then you’ll find a partial, if not complete restoration of lost vitality. Once again it is necessary to focus upon body-wide feelings. Know that each small area of feeling is, in itself, an input-output point for interacting with others. Start by focusing upon areas that are uncomfortable, in pain or fear. While focusing upon that area(s), take a slow deep breath, and visualize the, “drawing in” or, “retrieval” of energy in to that area, knowing that you are regaining parts of yourself sent out to the world. Do this for at least ten minutes per problem area, or as long as it takes to change the feeling(s) in that area of the body…combine this with right eating and exercise, and you can revitalize any portion of the physical vehicle. It is notable that in the upgrade of any area of the body, the most difficult period is in the beginning of the change. Such efforts will gain positive inertia over time and practice.

These are of course, advance practices with many nuances. I would be glad to discuss these in depth if you so wish…  



29 Jan 2009 @ 23:42 by a-d : This is GREAT!
Thank you so much, Rishi for this! Wish you were here in my House doing /teaching me "hands on" these exercises! but I do get the "pic" of what you mean and to some extent have already been doing it.Confirmation/Validation of doing the Right Thing feels always good to me! : )

Bless you both!/A-d  



30 Jan 2009 @ 18:44 by rishi : Intent
I'm glad to hear that A-d, and would certainly enjoy discussing the particulars for the benefit of all.

From another forum, this comment was an answer to the above post....

Dear Rene,

You said,

rishi, my question would be if one withdraws - how ever would it be possible to sow anything positive to bring about a positive within any situation?

To withdraw is to detach. To be in the world - is reality. To better it - you have to be part of it.

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It's an interesting question, and I think alot of this has to do with clear definition. Without such withdrawal, one becomes highly subject to the downcast karma and low states of consciousness of the modern world.

First off, what is positive? Let us define what a better world would look like, and then decide just how much involvement that may take. I define a better world as a place of raised consciousness, one that has gone beyond the primitive notions of ethnicity, nation, religion and political affiliation.

"God has no religion"...Mahatma Ghandi

I have great respect for the written word...it is lasting, can effect millions, and it "stores energy" of mental and spiritual merit.

I wouldn't call myself a part of modern society in any meaningful way, and yet, through various articles/postings I've made an impact on world improvement.

The reasonable question which follows yours is, "What is necessary to change the current world?"

One thing is most certainly deep questioning of all that the modern takes for granted. Another is the freeing of the mind in general...a cultivation of logic, respect for truth and in-depth, critical thinking.

Another is self knowledge, and especially, the expansion of consciousness, which includes a greater master of intent(ion).

These are necessary prerequisites for world change, what do you say?  



30 Jan 2009 @ 19:37 by ashanti : Intent
Wow. I tried to log into NCN earlier this week, but had a lousy connection. Had the urge to log in right now, the connection is clear, and there is so much here! Thank you so much! Spells, your intent is crystal, crystal clear to me, your response came from a point of complete understanding, thank you for that. I did not want to go into detail on the specifics, but rather wanted to ask about the energy behind it, and you totally got what I was asking. Your answer was really helpful.

Rishi - as I was reading through what you have written here, there is an incedible, and I mean incredible sense of, I don't even know how to put it into words - realness - is the best I can come up with for now, clumsily. Realness. Clarity. Clear, so clear. I am going to copy and paste this dialogue and print it out and read, meditate on it before I comment any further. This is raw essence.

Thank you so much!  



30 Jan 2009 @ 22:47 by a-d : Spells, Rishi,et al
I would like to alert you all to another Blog here on NCN: Raymond Powers' blog and from there click on his private Web-site: "Simple Brilliance."
He says so much there (excerpts from the Book he has written "Simple Brilliance") that is soooo in synch with what you say here, Rishi!... so it is almost "scary"!

I LOVE that statement: "GOD HAS NO RELIGION" How true , how true! Thank you for that!
Thank you Spells for sharing your Insights/Revelations as given by & from the Creative ("HOLY") Spirit to you ( --of course: to be shared! : ) and you did it!... and it is already clearly having ripple effect on Humanity to the Highest Good of All!
We need to know both the Dark: what a Humanity Gone-Astray has "achieved" & the Light which is still UN-distorted, Still Pure and Intact in & with all its HIGH VIBRATION Cosmic > Spiritual > Creative Energy.

Yet.I have to tell you guys this (again... I know I mentioned this before!...heheheh) what I read on JeffreyIam's blog --or was on his website... He mentions the Earthworm as having much more INTEGRITY than most Humans... for being more TRUE to Its given Divine Mission/ Consciousness ... and you know what guys, when I read it it was totally crystal clear to me how true THAT statement was too! Jeff is yet another one of the really Bright Stars here on NCN!  



1 Feb 2009 @ 08:53 by ashanti : Psychic survival
There was so much potency in the communications above, I needed time to read, digest, integrate. Walking around on Planet Earth at the moment feels like walking through black tar soup. It is very challenging to keep light (in particular, in my environment). The part that really hit the spot for me was highlighting that you end up feeling like "an alien in your own culture". EXACTLY!!!!!

And that is when you begin to question yourself, what is wrong with you, why are you so out of synch with what is going on around you, the problem must be you, it can't be the majority around you. That's what I have been going through. Extreme self-doubt, because I cannot, will not, give in to become like those around me.

The other thing that hit the spot was "but don’t make the mistake of placing your self-worth as a practitioner on the line that is measured by the publics’ awakening.". Thats it exactly. Which is why I have been doubting myself so much, and draining myself pouring so much into others, only to have them turn on me and bite. Due to psychic self-protection, I was thus forced to put up a spiritual firewall to prevent further leakage and poisoning of my essence.

Withdrawal, retreat, cleanup and complete rethink of what I am doing is in order.

Rishi, Sandi, I would be very interested to find out more about the body-psychic-cleaning you speak of. It is clear what to do from how you describe it, but I would like to find out more. I think also, it is time to stop by your Library. I am familiar with soul retrieval, have done it both for myself and others in the past, time to do that as well. I had whole chunks of me stolen over the past 2 years. I would justify in my mind, to myself, and say "thats OK, there is an infinite supply of infinity, and my soul is part of infinity". Indeed, but that does not make the unethical grasping vampirism of others acceptable.

Thank you so much, this is REAL help, life-changing and saving help. Words cannot cover my gratitude.

AWARENESS, ENERGY. INTENT. Thats it. I have bookmarked the WMS Library, and will be going through it in earnest. Have already recommended it to some friends. And it has been put out there for free - which reinforces the fact that powerful truths are recorded there - you cannot buy truth and THAT fact immediately puts this work above the mass of new age cosmic goo for sale out there.  



1 Feb 2009 @ 12:17 by ashanti : Another question
It is, indeed, ALL about Intent. Question: what Intent, if any, does one who is unconscious have on one who is conscious? To expand: an unconscious person is anti-life (explained by Rishi earlier). A conscious person is Life-giving. Would the logic be too bland to therefore conclude that an unconscious person would like to extinguish a conscious person, because an unconscious person would like to kill off all life, and anything that has life in it?  


1 Feb 2009 @ 20:58 by a-d : Dear Ashanti,
this article MIGHT be of help as to clarify the REAL TRUTH of what has been --and still is-- going on in the Human Psyche. JUST REMEMBER that NO DISEASE is MORE CONTAGEOUS than Spiritual > Energetic > Psychic ''http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/01/02/02073.html

Many of us here on NCN, not least Vaxen & I have been trying to bring this Point across to all NCN readers for years --and we've been faught and miscredited, blamed, slandered, blackmailed and smeared for years by other here on NCN. What you see and feel going on "all around you is the psychic tension between the ever spreading INFECTION of this disease, in your Environment there in SA, just like you see it here on NCN and in the American Society and French society and ANY society ALL FOUR CORNERS of the World!
It is time to start taking this VERY seriously and NOT feel the need to continue to be/remain an Apologist for people with this disease, too deep and too terminal in them for them to (even WANT ) to recover.
The way you can spot these people is by paying a careful attention WHOM these people defend/support; what actions, deeds and behaviour have those people receiving the defence have committed. A theoretic Example: 'you' feeling the need to defend G.W.B. would tell the World "where 'you' stand in the Spiritual Health and from there on NO MATTER what 'you' say as your efforts to be seen as "The Good Guy" would fool the ones with Eyes to See and Ears to Hear, as it is said in highly high vibrational Spiritual Texts.
The Human Psyche ALWAYS defend what it self RESONATES with!.... regardless of all the different "Cultural "Dresses" it come in.
The AGGRESSOR: the FIRST OFFENDER, ALWAYS bears the Cosmic Bad Conscience /TRUE GUILT ( as in being guilty OF such & such crime) of its own VIOLATION on LIFE and the follow up the ball( of the violated defending him/herself ad nauseum) rolling from there on!... their (so called) KARMA! There are NO Excuses for this!

Once 'you' learn to trust this with NO NEED to be nice to OFFENDERS/ AGGRESSORS 'you' will know 'you' are progressing in your own recovery of your OWN Divine TRUE "ME", which is always healthier (than any previous state we found ourselves in) and for every vibration up higher we climb, the healthier the Me is there!...and just know: PEOPLE ARE ON IT: THE AWAKENING PATH!
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you might also want to google Ashley Montague; a Child Psychologist, who -- I think-- has a lot of intelligent things to say!  



1 Feb 2009 @ 21:42 by rishi : Conscious
Dear Ashanti,

You asked;

Question: what Intent, if any, does one who is unconscious have on one who is conscious? To expand: an unconscious person is anti-life (explained by Rishi earlier). A conscious person is Life-giving. Would the logic be too bland to therefore conclude that an unconscious person would like to extinguish a conscious person, because an unconscious person would like to kill off all life, and anything that has life in it?

Rishi;

Yes, I would say that such an attitude is typical of the unconscious. The story of history shows it to be true for one thing. Throughout past centuries it has almost always been the revolutionary thinkers, spiritual and social leaders of vision who, if not having been killed outright by the masses, were at the very least the subject of their scorn and disapproval.

If those who do not respect the truth cannot outright kill those who do tell the truth, and who are more evolved, then they will do their best to try to kill their message, poison their psychic space, kill their projects and their character. [Christ is a good example of this...imagine how the world might have benefitted had Christ has a life of long years with much opportunity to refine and amplify his message.]

Those who dwell upon unevolutionary intent, resent strongly those who evolve and advocate real progressiveness. This is because the revolutionary shows them what they really are beyond all facades, so, rather than face the message of truth squarely, they try to discredit the speaker. This too is the story of history...  



1 Feb 2009 @ 21:57 by a-d : VERY TRUE , Rishi!
Thanks!
for this very pheonomenon there is an anxient old saying:"The Good Die Young"!...  



1 Feb 2009 @ 23:33 by spells : Truth as a Guide
This is from another forum, but one that is the truth anywhere....

Dear Rene,

If in fact the end result is the same or equivalent in the apprehension of truth, then that is well and good. But that is almost never the case, with the modern world being a case-in-point.

However, this brings to mind the so-called, "three blind men and the elephant" analogy.

The one holding the tail thought the elephant spindly and thin, the one touching the leg thought the elephant sturdy but like a column, and the third holding a tusk insisted that elephants are hard and pointed.

In each case the "perception" differed, but that doesn't matter. The elephant remains an elephant, in its' sum and entirety, a truth which ALL of them missed. What I find suspect about this saying is that all the perceivers were blind. Why must this be so? Perhaps they were blind because they insisted their "perception" was correct even though all they had to do was open their eyes to see what was really going on.

In any case, the truth remains what it is, regardless of perception, and regardless of who perceives it. It is the truth then, which we as practitioners are obliged to observe, ON ITS' OWN BASIS AND FOR ITS' OWN SAKE.

Then and only then will we have even the merest chance to change this world for the better.
_________________  



12 Feb 2009 @ 22:46 by vaxen : I'd...
like to throw this in here as adjunctive to the general topic if I may:

Making others "wrong" is a central aspect of bicameral stage 2. So dinging is quintessential bicameral-stage-2 behavior. The more or less automatic and unconscious reaction of feeling bad or upset after being dinged is also quintessential bicameral-stage-2 behavior. At this time, dinging is a central aspect of most, possibly all human cultures. Young humans tend to engage in a great deal of dinging, sometimes viciously so. My father was a compulsive dinger. For every good thing he said about anyone or anything, he probably said ten or more bad things. He was also a compulsive dingee with a violent temper. He seemed to live in a world full of dingers determined to ding him at every opportunity. If you work at a job, chances are that you get dinged at least once a day. If you have to deal with bureaucrats (both in government and large corporations), you may experience being dinged. You might even get frustrated -- i.e., make yourself feel frustrated!

A great deal of dinging can occur on Internet mailing lists and forums. Suppose you're a subscriber of "List X." You consider most of the other subscribers to be educated and intelligent. Some of the long-time subscribers form a kind of "insider clan" or "in-group." You're not part of the in-group. You post something you think important and of interest to the list. Your post is ignored or ridiculed. Some members of the in-group seem to take turns to come up with "clever" ways to ding you. For example, you could post a message about this report. The only responses you get are snide or sarcastic comments, while the essence of your post is ignored. The list may have a "dinging culture" with a significant portion of the posts including some dinging -- or a great deal of dinging.

On the back cover of 'Metaphors We Live By' by George Lakoff and Mark Johnson: Take the conceptual metaphor ARGUMENT IS WAR. We say: "He attacked every weak point in my argument:; "Your claims are indefensible"; "I demolished his argument." But as the authors write, "It is important that to see that we don't just talk about arguments in terms of war. We can actually win or lose arguments. We see the person we are arguing with as an opponent. We attack his positions and we defend our own... It is in this sense that the ARGUMENT IS WAR metaphor is one we live by in this culture; it structures the actions we perform in arguing."

I expect that by becoming more aware of the dinging phenomenon, and repeatedly dedinging yourself, you can take major steps toward transcending bicameral stage 2. I also expect that by advancing to a more conscious stage, you can become considerably more productive -- see 'The Bicameral Model of the Mind':
(a) You have largely mastered your feelings and emotions.
(b) You have the ability to critically examine every concept, every thought, every action.
(c) You strive to increase your competence in every aspect of your life.
(d) You carefully observe the results you produce, using that as feedback to improve your concepts, thoughts, communications, and actions.
(e) Producing results is paramount.

The whole article, and links therein, is worth reading and re-reading and applying that which rubs off...

Here it is:

[link]  



12 Feb 2009 @ 23:45 by a-d : Wow,Vax! : )
I will try!...I will be working on this:de-dinging myself towards myself as well as others!.... You'll help me,eh?
Thanks again!  



18 Feb 2009 @ 10:12 by Glisten @58.169.182.159 : Beautiful:)
Sandi,

It is truly inspiring to read the clarity and positivity of your current writing. I am heartened to observe the focus on solutions and positive outcomes which is all too rare in these degenerate times. It can be extraordinarily difficult to maintain such a state of clarity and focussed solution seeking and for your effort in this direction you are to be commended.

Thank you for using this powerful and effective approach.

Love and Light,
Glisten^@^  



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