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Category: Information 82 comments 6 Nov 2009 @ 04:44 by mortimer : Yes!This discussion is related to Rishi's newslog - [link] 7 Nov 2009 @ 09:11 by susannahbe : I am handing this back I am handing this back to you two so you have a full record of the conversation to go with the post above as it will be deleted from my newslog as I am cleaning up over at my place. ..................................... 4 Nov 2009 @ 00:59 by rishi : Random Indeed Dear Susannahbe, Reading through the various posts here as I sometimes do, I noticed one blog called "Random". I thought about that for a few days, reflecting upon your statement to the effect of, "DEFINITION: Having no specific pattern, purpose, or objective." Hmmm, I mused..."Random" Random Indeed! This single word, as well as the definition you offered above, is exactly what the New Civilization Network has become, summarized in a single stroke. Brilliant! Genius! You've summarized instantly what I've tried to say about this place in exactly 6 LETTERS. As a matter of obvious fact, in 999 out of a thousand days, it does indeed, "have no specific pattern, purpose, or objective", given of course, that almost nobody here at present does either. For this reason, I really think you ought to write Ming an e-mail, suggesting he change the name of this website from "New Civilization Network" to "Random". That at least would be more honest, since the posts and comments that typically follow on this forum, are far more "random" than they are "new civlization". Also, this blog could then serve as the new flagship model for a great new social movement of the same name..."random"! That would fit in nicely with the state of modern mass media too! What do you say? ..................................... 4 Nov 2009 @ 09:53 by susannahbe : Rishi You ask - What do you say? [  ]
Rishi, I think if it concerns you so greatly then YOU should write to our kind and generous host Ming (who allows us ALL to express ourselves as we see fit)and tell him he should rename the site - I am sure he would REALLY welcome your wise advice. Thank you for adding nicely to the randomness of my newslog, please close the door on your way out. ................................. 5 Nov 2009 @ 18:09 by rishi : I took your advice Dear Susanahbe, After the last comments you made to me on your Random newslog, I was struck speechless for a few days, so forgive my delay in response. I just didn't know what to say...it's one of those "wow" moments in your life when you realize you've been given an incredible opportunity, one that you probably don't even deserve. It's "an offer I can't refuse". I realized that what you've offered me is really very generous, (regarding your idea that I write Ming about your blog, "Random"). I mean, here you are, having created one of the important social movements of our time, (Randomness) and after all that time, expense, work and frankly, GENIUS.... you just give away the glory of writing Ming to somebody who hardly knows you. "Wow". That brings a tear of joy to my eyes, but I will also confess, a certain feeling of unworthiness that comes with grave responsiblity. But then again, that's what ALL great leaders do isn't it? They delegate responsibility! They provide challenging tasks to their underlings, so that those who can only aspire to such greatness, have an opportunity for their own personal growth. What an honor! So I did indeed write Ming as you suggested, and have strived to be worthy of the task. That letter follows...I trust that it will measure up to your high standards. P.S. I don't wish to presume further upon your newslog, and distract from your latest profound and highly Random "clown post", or the many Random commentaries which will inevitably follow. So, I was contemplating the idea of honoring your Randomness further by asking a favor from Spells. I'm going to ask her to post this whole conversation on her Newslog, under the heading, "On changing NCN to "R". This way, you can be as Random as need be, and Cause dictates, while discussion on this important matter can be had elsewhere. ( I can't post it on mine right now, because of my new post, that is, I will sheepishly admit, not as Random as it ought to be) After all, you've done the important work here, and more certainly cannot be expected of you. You've crystallized the very essence of what NCN has become! This makes you the very center of the cyclone! The very green of the grass! The very karmic foci for world change! The very...well you get the idea....forgive my over-enthusiasm. Now it's time for others to follow your example to give THEIR all, and do the necessary work of RANDOMNESS. ///////////// Dear Ming, It is a great honor to bring something of this import to your attention. This regards a new, no less than COSMIC development on your forum, whose implications it is my duty to highlight. Susanahbe has come up with a new name and definition for the New Civlization Network, and has generously suggested that I contact you about it. What I said to her about this a few days ago, sums up the situation for your review... 4 Nov 2009 @ 00:59 by rishi : Random Indeed Dear Susannahbe, Reading through the various posts here as I sometimes do, I noticed one blog called "Random". I thought about that for a few days, reflecting upon your statement to the effect of, "DEFINITION: Having no specific pattern, purpose, or objective." Hmmm, I mused..."Random" Random Indeed! This single word, as well as the definition you offered above, is exactly what the New Civilization Network has become, summarized in a single stroke. Brilliant! Genius! You've summarized instantly what I've tried to say about this place in exactly 6 LETTERS. As a matter of obvious fact, in 999 out of a thousand days, it does indeed, "have no specific pattern, purpose, or objective", given of course, that almost nobody here at present does either. For this reason, I really think you ought to write Ming an e-mail, suggesting he change the name of this website from "New Civilization Network" to "Random". That at least would be more honest, since the posts and comments that typically follow on this forum, are far more "random" than they are "new civlization". Also, this blog could then serve as the new flagship model for a great new social movement of the same name..."random"! That would fit in nicely with the state of modern mass media too! ///////////// So what do you think, brother Ming? Do you like the idea of changing "NCN" to "R"? Your posts have been pretty much in keeping with this trend too, "podcars" and all. And so, I feel confident that you will be warm to the idea. In the spirit of democracy, it's time we all acknowledged the, "will of the people" in their desire for "Randomness" don't you think? This is especially true since this place has nothing whatsoever to do with creating a "new civilization" any more, even from your end. Almost every post and the comments that follow, are as Susanahbe has brilliantly defined... If Spells agrees to this suggestion, I invite you ahead of time to discuss this very important matter of Randomness on her Newslog...what do you say? One last thing, oh former purveyor of new civilizations....I thought we might create a new chat room at "R" that more closely reflects it's current purpose. I've thought of many names for it, and among these I humbly suggest one of the following; "No purpose at All", "Bubbleheads for all things Bright and Bouncy", "Down with Meaning!, (who needs it?)", "Long live Mediocrity!", "There is no Truth, so who Cares?", "Bored Housewives make Better Lovers, (or at least gossips)", "Enquirer magazine as the New Gospel", "Prozac PROVIDES", "Social responsiblity is for Chumps", "The World is Dying... why Bother Trying?", "Zero Fiddles while Earth Burns", "Talking Shit is IT", "Everybody Loves a Clown", "Googles of Gossip" and last but certainly not least, "Making Something out of Nothing". I'm sure Susanahbe would have even better suggestions, although that last one is hard to top. In this new chat room, or even somewhere on the regular forum of newslogs, we could have a daily competition, which comes in two phases. The first is where we all sit down together at an appointed time each day for a year, and get SERIOUSLY RANDOM. Susanahbe, (or somebody she appoints to this important task) could start by saying something absolutely irrelevant, and which doggedly avoids anything with real meaning. This can be followed by dozens of others, each in turn saying something totally off topic and pointless from the person before them...the more Random the better! Just imagine it! A whole "conversation" each day for two hours at a time, where everybody speaks, nobody listens or cares, and the truth is put in it's proper place...the "oval file". The second phase is where Ming, (or perhaps an authoritative panel of Randomness experts appointed by Susanahbe) goes through the text of each "conversation", and every week gives the proud, "Excellence in Entropy" award to whoever can be, "The Most Random". Perhaps even a little plaque with their engraved name, could be mailed to each honored recipient, along with an "EE" lapel pin?!? Oh my! Silly me...and how very unobservant! We've already accomplished phase one of this project 5 times over! Well then, let's move on to phase two shall we? I nominate Susanahbe for this weeks', Excellence in Entropy Award. Do I have a second? I look forward to your response, Ming. Sincerely, Rishi last holdout for what is still a good cause ................................. 5 Nov 2009 @ 19:05 by susannahbe : Rishi . . . [ ]
You are a condescending, pompous jumped up little twat - now please do me a favour and fuck off . . . please. I am not playing into your silly little games. This newslog is my space and you are not welcome in it. Thank you :-) ********************************* I have also included my last post concerning the matter on my blog: Reproduced here - So whaddya do? You are sitting in your newly decorated place hanging out with friends and in walks someone and starts criticizing the decor and suggesting you write to your shared (very generous) landlord and tell him where it is all going wrong. You suggests if he really doesn't like something, then perhaps he should contact the landlord, you then ask him to close the door on the way out. Gee, if he had knocked on the door, been polite and left his attitude at home he would have perhaps been invited in to sit and discuss what was obviously bothering him. Next thing you know he's back, sarcastic and crazy as hell and he barges in, talking gibberish and shits on the carpet - whaddya do? Do you sit calmly and ask him what his problem is, perhaps suggest working on his attitude or do you think - how dare you come in here and shit on my carpet! Well yeah, I reckon you give an appropriate energetic response and tell him to fuck off! You then remember the shit on the carpet, so you scrape it up, put it in a bag and deliver it back to where it came from and then wash your hands thoroughly. . . I've given the shit back to its rightful owners and tomorrow, I will scrub the stains off of my carpet. 7 Nov 2009 @ 09:18 by scotty : Todays thought for Spells “It's better to live one year as a tiger than a hundred as a sheep." 7 Nov 2009 @ 23:23 by rishi : In my experience With NCN as with other forums, Susanahbe, it is the extremely rare moment by far that anyone will just, "sit and discuss" much of anything in a lucid, honest manner, especially when the subject concerns the truth about the modern world. People are in severe denial. Mental illness has become the norm, not the exception. As I said to A-d months ago, in the six years or so that I've been here, I've had about five (count them FIVE) good discussions about the problems which face in our world, or the potential solutions we have available to fix it. Not great discussions, not ones which really went anywhere, just GOOD ones. That's less than one a year! Most of the time such subjects are completely ignored here, and that is true REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF PRESENTATION. Spells and I both have written and posted literally hundreds of lucid and logical articles/projects here of various styles, regarding simple living, right use of the mind, meditation, expansion of consciousness, intentional community, honest evaluations of the current political and social world, etc., and they have ALL without exception, been ignored as irrelevant, (no action, no follow-up, just whimsical talk) ...meanwhile, what is of REAL interest to most here continues on...the gossiping and the posturing, even as the world is dying. There's never any follow-up even then, and so, it is not hard to conclude that there's no real intent here to accomplish much of anything. I wonder to myself regarding many of the posts on this forum..."Have you really become so down-trodden in yourselves, so hopeless, so selfish and so confused, that you can't even understand what is of real importance and what is not? Are you that far gone, that you think the glorification of randomness is more appropriate than meaning, and by the same token, mass death and misery the world over, more important than logic and the right action to do something about it?" I have often times critiqued this place in like manner, and in ways respectful, patient and polite. What was the result of this?...arrogant defensiveness combined with a complete lack of interest. And as I was telling Wizbik just recently, which is something I strongly believe in, "the lesson is taught in accord with the students' fitness to learn". Now with the world in such a state, and given that this IS a CAUSE-oriented website called "New Civlization Network, not "Gossips Anonymous" or "Same old Nonsense with a new twist Network" what exactly is it that you're trying to accomplish with a log called "Random", which expressly states that it exists for no reason or purpose at all? Is this your idea of social responsiblity? Do you only appear to thumb your nose at the very idea of meaningfulness, purpose and making an effort to save the world, or am I missing the point? I mean, what point can there possibly be when you expressly say there isn't any? And given this, you expect me to believe that if I'd just come in and said as much, that you would have changed the focus of your log? Please, I'm not that naive. And by the way, my comments to you were in no way personal. They were to this entire forum and nearly everybody now on it, and by extension, to the entire world of trivializing and gossiping consumer society. I have another post prepared, written today. I would like everyone here to consider this my main response. 7 Nov 2009 @ 23:24 by rishi : It Was the Year 59 AGF It was the Year 59 A.G.F. Part 1 Nineteen warm bodies clad in an odd assortment of tattered clothes, huddled around a campfire, the night breeze swirling the flames in orange pirouettes. Behind them were the rusted hulks of what they used to call "vehicles" in the Before Time...a "Ford Ranger" flatbed truck, it's windshield completely broken out, and the dashboard now a "planter" for a variety of flowering weeds. Another mass of faded paint and twisted metal, whose passenger side door had been ripped completely off in some violent collision, still had a barely legible label on it which read, "Econoline van". These two enigmas of a former time, which few really understood any more, served to block the wind from the discussion which now took place. The stench of bodies lying dead on highways, in ransacked homes and upon streets the world over, had passed in the wind. The choking fumes of burnt plastic and various other toxic materials, was now becoming but a tale to be told, to children too young to remember what was now called, "The Great Fall". An old woman with an intense stare gazed off through the fire, as if she were using it as a crystal ball to See the spirit world. She was the only one of the nineteen who wore hand woven clothes, of a simple purple dye and pattern. Fifteen adults and three children patiently waited for her speak again, for she sometimes took long pauses to contemplate memories of times past. A child of six suddenly broke the silence, as children often do, and said, "Tell us again about the Before Time, Grandma!". The woman beside her, embarrased by this display, reprimanded in a loud whisper..."Hush now Marina! Be patient, and you don't call her 'grandma' during the time of the Storytelling, address her respectfully as "Elder". "Yes mommy" the child replied softly, staring at the ground poking a stick at the dirt in little circles. "So you want to hear again about the Before Time, do you?", the old woman asked with raised eyebrows, showing a mixture of grave seriousness and amusement. "Yes Elder!" piped the child. "Don't you ever get tired of that story?" "Oh no!", "No way!" "Please tell us again!" all three children said in unison. "Very well then, move closer so I don't have to yell the tale over the wind." So everyone moved closer to that side of the fire. The adults were as focused and interested in hearing this story as the children were, for the old woman, who called herself, "Heroditus" was one of the few people left, who was actually alive during the Before Time. She was old, but even so, only a little girl during that period in history. An intense fascination for history was now considered normal, and yet, no one of this local Tribe knew for sure what year it was by the old calendar. Some said it was the year 2073 AD by that reckoning, others simply referred to it in more "modern" terms as 59 AGF, or in other words, the 59th year After the Great Fall. The place was what was once called, "Northern California". Heroditus said, "Although there are those of other Tribes in this area who glorify that dark time in our past, wishing again for the 'luxuries' of that world, they are but fools. The reason we study history is to learn from it and grow beyond it, in order to become true Human Beings. That time of great cities which used to stretch for miles in all directions, of "highways" and "jumbo jets" and "supermarkets" and "genetic engineering" is nothing to long for. It was a time of great madness, when our kind had lost it's soul. "What's a 'supermarket' grand-, I mean Elder"? asked Marina. "Shussh!" her mother cautioned, frowing. But Heroditus looked at her daughter saying, "It's ok, questions flow from alert minds". Turning to the child, she said, "A supermarket, honey, was a large building where people used to go to get their food". "Why'd they do that when they coulda just growed it for themselves?" "Well some did, but most just grew grass in their lawns, only to have to keep cutting it down every week". "What good is growing grass only to cut it down every week?" the child asked. "It really isn't any good for much of anything except to waste water and fertilizer, honey. But as a matter of fact, the people of those times wasted just about everything". "Why'd they do that?" "Because", the Elder replied, "they were mad little buggers". Everyone chuckled, because Heroditus always called the people of the Before Time, "mad little buggers" especially just before she'd tell a very passionate tale of that dark period in human history. "So as I was saying, it was a time of great madness, when our kind had lost its' soul. It was a time when there was very little respect for anything at all, when we lived apart from nature and actually strongly resented it as an enemy to be subdued. Plants were just "things"...either decorations or nuisances to be hacked on, whole forests were wiped out all over the world for the sake of profit, the rainforests were basically gone. Animals were just "pets" or meals to be grown in cages where they could barely even move, and where they were often fed the ground-up dead remains of their own kind to "save money". "Money?" asked another child, "What's that"? "Money used to be how they lived their lives, dear", said her mother quietly, taking a small, darkly tarnished piece of metal out of her pocket and handing it to the child. "But I thought this was called a "quarter", replied the boy. "Yes dear, it was called that too, now listen". Heroditus continued. "The Before Time was a time when the once noble human being, was made into what is basically just a greedy, sloppy pig, feeding at a trough. They even called themselves, "consumers" and that was the one thing they were truly good at. They weren't much good at living peacefully with one another, nor in living naturally or simply, or in being wise. They weren't much good at living with each other in what they used to call "nations"...there was always multiple wars and armed conflicts raging all over the globe, in every day of every year. They weren't much good at being efficient or practical, in fact, most scoffed at those concepts. Marriage was usually just a financial agreement, not a dedication to love. And although there were many who called themselves, 'spiritual' the vast majority of those were just hypocrites, who said one thing, only to live the exact opposite in every day of their lives. They had governments so corrupt that political positions were often sold to the highest bidder or campaign contributor, where Senators were actually corporate henchment having nothing at all to do with observing the will of the people they supposedly governed. They built great prisons, but lousy schools. They had huge militaries, but a run down system of roads, bridges and public utilities. Oceans and rivers were just dumping grounds for corporate profits. Whole ecosystems were referred to not with spiritual reverence, but as "services" and "resources" for human exploitation. So it's only fitting, I suppose, that they called themselves, 'consumers' rather than 'thinkers', 'seers', 'philosophers', 'lovers' or 'idealists'. They consumed literally EVERYTHING in their path the world over...forests, animals, oil, metals, rivers, lakes, oceans...all for the sake of petty fashion and ego. Almost everybody then felt they had a need and a God-given right to each be their own little emporer. Each felt that it was their right to have that mansion, three car garage, more clothes than they could wear, and more food than they could eat. Meanwhile, two thirds of the human world was either already starving or coming close to it. It was like the Old Roman Empire a hundred times over. And when things started to really run out, with the forests gone, the water too polluted to drink and the fish too toxic to eat, they increased their efforts to steal what was left from others peoples lands, in even MORE wars. It was at about that time, that things started getting really dark. And amidst all this pointless destruction, they actually had the nerve to call it all, 'progress'." "They called it 'progress'? asked a man of about 30, incredulously. "I don't believe it!". "Believe what you will Markus, but it's true. What they considered 'progress' was based upon sheer greed, and I believe, an unspoken desire to commit collective suicide. In fact, their greed was a reflection of an inner hollowness and pointlessness, one so deep and so pervasive, that society had itself convinced 'progress' meant building things called 'shopping malls' where a forest used to be. They built such structures just so that people would have a convenient place to have their hair done, and buy gifts of little practical value." "I didn't know that" Markus said, the light of amazed realization brightening his eyes by the fire. "But how can a people actually believe all of that has anything to do with real human progress?" "As I told you", Heroditus responded sourly, "they were mad little buggers". "Mad little buggers!" "Mad little buggers!" the children cried in unison, jumping up and down by the fire, laughing as they jumped. "Mad little buggers!" The adults laughed too regardless of this display, for no one here had any particular fondness for the fools of that Age. Those in the Before Time had, after all, almost destroyed the whole world and everything upon it, with their silly ideas about "prosperity" and the purpose of life. Going from a world population of around 9 billion, 99.999% of the human race had suddenly died within a few years, snuffing themselves out like a paltry candle in the wind, leaving only a comparitive handful of survivors to carry on the human legacy in a now largely toxic wasteland. After a few minutes of levity, the group calmed down, while Heroditus continued her story. "And on top of all this, not one person out of 5 thousand seriously questioned the false goals of a greedy, corrupt and egotistical society. People then were taught by so-called "schools" to obey without question...to get in line, rely on the system for everything you are and everything you want, and everything you believe. People then had very little individuality...they were more like numbers than genuine humans....mental clones would be a good phrase for them. Most even named their children the same as thousands of others...that was before people started naming themselves, before they realized that conforming to the social norm is NOT more important than being wise. And they spent most of the time watching this thing called "television" which told them exactly how to think and act, what to say in company, what to believe, what to wear, what to BE, and most of all what to 'consume'. " "They say that television was evil" said a woman in the shadows, who had just joined them from the yurt-style villiage beyond. "And so it was" replied the old woman. "But perhaps I should say the USE of it was evil, even though the technology itself was interesting, and could have been used for enlightening pruposes". "What WAS it used for Elder?" asked Markus. "It was used for brainwashing people into compliance, basically, and for distracting them from the startling revelation that their lives as consumers were being wasted on frivolity, and a fascination with all things trivial, destructive and pointless. It was used to sell them a great many false ideas and mostly unneeded objects. People used to bury themselves in absurd focuses then...they even had what was called 'magazines' dedicated to nothing but gossip about 'celebrities', and a lot of other nonsense which nobody in their right mind would care about. The vast majority even glorified randomness, chaos and trivial gossip, pretending that there was no such thing as truth or meaning in life. Many of the adults nodded, for they had seen old tattered remains of these 'magazines' and their 'celebrity gossip'. "They were indeed quite mad to focus on such things, especially while the whole world was falling apart", commented Markus glumly. "Mad little buggers!" cried the children, laughing again. "It's not a game children, it's really a very serious and tragic thing" cautioned Heroditus, and only the sound of the crackling fire then remained. The children reseated themselves, frowning, and waited respectfully. "You have to understand that those times were an incredible waste of human potential. Everybody rushed about in little circles and tight schedules, like a foolish dog chasing it's own tail, pretending as though all of it meant something. But it didn't. None of that meant anything at all. And that fact didn't seem to bother anyone either. This proved only that humans have a tendency to believe in their own madness, and teach their children to do the same. That whole era accomplished absolutely nothing but the near destruction of us all, in the name of "fashion", "conformity" and "fad". That's why they did everything you know...to be like everybody else, and everybody else called themselves 'consumers'. Even when they did something to supposedly "be different" like wear a different fashion of clothes, they did so only because "being different" was what all their friends wanted to do. Of course, almost nobody was truly 'different' from the status quo, since they lacked both the courage and the intelligence for such a thing." She paused for a moment, considering gravely, "And then the time of the Great Fall happened, and everybody started dying..." Matthew Webb visionquest@eoni.com The World Mind Society Further suggested reading..."The Survivalists' Guide for the new Millenium" and other related articlesin the our free, on-site Library. 8 Nov 2009 @ 00:31 by susannahbe : In response to 'in my experience' [ ] 8 Nov 2009 @ 06:36 by scotty : Rishi How does it feel to be right all the time? How frustrated and angry do you get when we lesser human beings simply refuse to see things the "right" way ... your way? Don't you just want to grab them and shake them into seeing life through your all-knowing eyes? You do realise don't you that you see everything in the world through your own personal filters .. you hear and see everything just the way your own little head dictates the meaning of whatever... Sooo.... no matter what happens- you come out right! Yes you have to be right - because the belief system that you've made for yourself creates everything about how YOUR world looks and functions... your belief system only contains the information that YOU deem to be accurate correct and perfectly suited FOR YOU. But it seems to be that you also feel that what YOU think including YOUR standards of behavior is right for everybody else on the planet !! You talk constantly about TRUTH and how the only way for mankind is to follow your TRUTH - well If it's all the same to you ( and even if it isn't ) I'm going to continue to live my life based on my TRUTH .. with all it's filters and blinkers on my part ! It may not be right for everyone else on the planet but it's right for Me ! You look down upon us lesser beings with disdain and contempt and your loathing of us oozes out of your ugly words when talking AT us .. my message to you is this .. [link] Walk in beauty. 8 Nov 2009 @ 21:09 by rishi : It Was the Year 59 AGF Part 2 It was the Year 59 A.G.F. Part 2 Heroditus gazed off into the flames again, frowning, a tear flowing down her cheek in the orange-lit night. She put her head down on her arms, while sitting on a rusted folding chair. Her shoulders sagged uncharacteristically, as though the telling of this tale had suddenly become too much for her old frame to handle. But then she raised her head, and with a look of determination continued; "It was about the year 2011 or 2012 AD of the old calendar, if memory serves correctly. That's when it all started to fall apart in a way that even consumers couldn't ignore. Agriculture had been degrading for decades...the over-use of artificial fertilizers and bad farming methods on, "super-farms" had made food tasteless, toxic and non-nutritive. Erosion was having it's way...7% of arable land was being destroyed every year. Deserts were rapidly expanding all over the world, rivers were drying up, the old pesticides weren't really working any more because 'pests' had become too resistant, and vegetables were genetically engineered just to make them last longer without rotting. The price of food just kept climbing and climbing. Of course, it didn't matter to most people that the food wasn't worth eating any more, conditioned as they were to imagine that profit margins are far more valuable a thing than life, or for that matter, a life well lived. And they say that the livers of those people, their blood, tissue and organs were so polluted with hundreds of poisons, that they scarcely needed to be embalmed upon death. And of course, these unnatural toxins created in the Before Time, ones that still circulate in our water and air, are why only a lucky few of us can even have children to this day". "Jesus!", "What a shame!", "Idiots!" were the comments blurted out then from the listening crowd. The Elder continued, nodding. "Yes, and these things were just the tip of the iceberg. The forests, even those carefully 'managed' and re-planted, had become so depleted that logging trucks now carried little else but sticks to paper mills. They could have planted hemp, of course, but this was contrary to the profits of many corporate interests. So rather than planting hemp for clothes, food, soil improvement and paper, they chose instead to destroy the very lungs of the planet. There was much talk about, "preserving the environment" through replanting, but ofcourse, this was just posturing...the forests has become little more than tree farms, not true ecosystems of great diversity. Livestock farms were places where horrible atrocities were committed to animals..beaks were cut off so they wouldn't peck each other to death, pens were like disease causing prisons, animals were injected with and fed hormones and other chemicals just to make them grow faster, or fight off infections from being mistreated...and all this once again, was just to make a few extra dollars" "Why would they do that", asked another woman, "when it's obvious that when you take an axe to chop off your own foot for a meal, that you're going to bleed to death? I mean, what were they thinking, that they weren't actually biological creatures living on a biological world...did they think of themselves as indestructible machines?" Heroditus laughed. "Yes, I believe they did. To be more specific, money-making machines. This is what happens to a world when the people believe in a philosophy as shallow as that of materialism. You ask this question, Demeter, because you're a practical person...all of us here are practical people who live close to the earth, as nature intended. But when you have people indentifying themselves en masse with a label like 'consumer', you've got minds that think of themselves as little more than a jaw moving up and down... with busy arms and legs that make sure that jaw is kept constantly fed....just like a devouring machine. Back then they even had a saying, 'THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH!', and that was what they literally believed. No matter how much you had already, you wanted more and more, and this was as true of those who lived homeless on the streets, as it was of multi-billionaires who practically owned whole countries. Consumerism was a dread sickness of both mind and soul, you see. Basically, this made consumers just like deadly parasites. A deadly parasite will chew and chew upon it's host until the host body drops dead, killing even the parasites within it. This of course is exactly what happened to them...they chewed upon the good earth with jaws constantly moving up and down, FAR beyond practical need, until the earth simply couldn't support them any more! And of course, they didn't have the good sense to stop reproducing like bacteria." An owl hooted in the distance, and the wind had died down. "You see, the people of that world thought they owned everything the eye could rest upon. And since they thought life was little more than a pile of possessions, they treated nothing with real respect, even their own bodies. There was no such thing as truth to them. Everything in existence, they thought, was just there for humans to USE as they saw fit, since they also believed that humans are the center of the universe. Why, they even invented a god called "jehovah" that looked like a man. They pictured 'him' predictably, as a white haired, late middle-aged caucasion male in a Roman toga, with a sneering and arrogant countenance, claiming that man was created in the image of this "god". Even their "holy scriptures" said that man has dominion over all of nature as a divine birthright, to use however he wishes, as a gift from God. The truth is, man made many false gods throughout history in his own image, and always to 'justify' his own false motives. So it's not hard to understand how they thought their all-destructive way of life might last forever...after all, how could God's little darlings be allowed to fail?" "This was about the time even the polar ice caps began to melt with global warming, and super-storms got stronger and stronger, until the damage done just from global warming itself began to bankrupt the nations of the world. But of course, by then most of them were already bankrupt due to huge military budgets, rampant corruption and short-sighted policies. Rome was about to Fall again. Medicine was not about staying healthy, but about how to address the symptoms of disease. They took pills for everything...sex, liver function, digestion, overweight, pancreas function, alertness, anxiety, sleep, blood pressure, psychosomatic diseases of all kinds....everything. Consumers were so busy making money they didn't take care of themselves...obesity and anxiety were epidemic. They didn't even take good care of their own children, so fixated were they upon, 'careers' and, 'financial goals'. They had a hundred pills for everything under the sun, and over nine tenths of these were simply deadly poisons. Herbs were far more carefully controlled and suppressed then, than the tens of thousands of toxic 'medications' for sale through unscrupulous doctors, whose side effects were usually worse than the symptoms they addressed. Why?...well for the sake of profits, of course! Whole regions of the world suffered famines, droughts and plagues. Police and military organizations became very brutal, and crime rates shot through the roof. Mental illness had become so widespread, that psychology began to define the human mind in terms of insanity, as though that was the normal state of the human being." "That's like forestry defining the woods as a nothing but clearings of stumps!", said Heroditus angrily, pounding her fist on her chair. "Anyway, questioning the status quo was viewed with both suspicion and resentment. Those few who stood for anything were sometimes called 'terrorists'. I've even heard it said that anybody who rightfully and truthfully criticized consumer society were routinely called 'negative'. Imagine that! What could BE more negative then than consumer society itself? And yet, their hypocrisy and madness ran so deep, they just called any criticism of a world destroying paradigm, 'negative'! They were very arrogant people, which is why they had this attitude. Most actually IDENTIFIED with corrupt society you see, and so, they perceived any criticism of that society as criticism of themselves. 'How dare you say such things!...how negative, how presumptuous!' was considered the acceptable response, even though that reeked of egotism and insincerity. The world was OBVIOUSLY in big trouble, and such criticism was OBVIOUSLY well deserved. But that didn't stop them from being arrogant anyway." Everyone sat, wide eyed and thoughtful without interrupting this time. The sky had cleared somewhat, and a full moon shown through some trees onto the clearing below. Only glowing embers of the fire remained. "Then agriculture collapsed and the oil ran out. The trees were all but cut down, and the air had a filthy taint. Humanity had become what some later called, "techno-primitives", where, despite their ability to build geostationary satellites and advanced computers, they were too dumb to even know themselves. Although they could build a spaceship to fly to other planets, they were too confused and corrupted to even CARE that they were poisoning their own children. They had become like bad animals with large brains and no wisdom. And like any other primitive animal in a cage, they soiled their own food and water, to the point of collective suicide. I remember the day the Great Fall started to really happen...the lights went out again, and then they STAYED out. All the electrical appliances in the house had suddenly become useless. We couldn't open any cans of food for a day and a half, until mom finally found a hand operated can opener under the sink. Water from the refrigerator ran all over the floor, and the toilet was clogged with nothing to flush it with. Plus, when the running water in the faucets stopped, we couldn't take showers any more. Cooking meals had to be done on the back lawn with the barbeque stove, but only when the neighbors weren't looking, since we couldn't trust them any more to not try and steal our food. Then the propane ran out. Nobody trusted anybody, and even as a terrified little child, I wondered then if they ever REALLY did. The fire department suddenly had too many fires to put out, because of arson and sheer stupidity on the part of people, and so they had to prioritize their resources carefully. But after a week the fire engines quit coming, and things just started to BURN everywhere! The police were having a hard time keeping people from looting and burning everything, and hungry groups of people turned into rioting mobs. Then the police quit coming! Everyone shouted about how the government had let them down. Others cried on their knees and begged to God, asking, 'How could you let this happen to us'? Some people tried to help put out the fires, and a few neighborhoods policed themselves for a while, but the barricades they put up in the streets were quickly torn down by rioters searching for food. The grocery stores had already been completely ransacked...many were burnt down to the foundation in frustration. The same was true of the banks and public offices. The sounds of windows being shattered by stone-throwers could be heard at all times in the day or night, as could frightened screams, yelling and loud fights. I huddled in my bed in the candle-lit darkness absolutely terrified, and although my mother and father tried to calm me, I could tell they were as scared as I was. "Where were you at the time, Heroditus?" asked a man in the crowd. "I was in a place they used to call 'Los Angeles', which meant 'city of angels', she replied with disgust, "and in what was once considered, 'a very good neighborhood'. My recollection gets a little fuzzy at this point, because I was very traumatized. But at one point the next evening there was a loud knock on the door. Then the knock turned into a frantic banging, and my parents dared not answer it. They just sat on the sofa hugging each other saying things like, 'It's all going to be Ok...order will be restored soon..the governed has GOT to send the 'national guard' in to set things straight'. But I knew even then that there was no government left.. before the television went silent, they were having problems they couldn't handle even with the military, and that had been two weeks ago. People were in widespread DENIAL up till the very last moments of modern civlization. I still marvel at this even now." "Soon a bottle of something was thrown through the window...I screamed, and we all ran to the back bedroom. Then it sounded like somebody was coming through the window...I heard several of them talking while stepping on the broken glass. They were going through our kitchen and stealing our food! My father wouldn't have that, so he ran out into the kitchen to confront them...then I heard a gunshot and my mother ran out to see what happened to my father...I heard her scream "NO!" and then I heard more gunshots. Again there were feet on broken glass as the rioters ran outside. I dared not move an inch! I sat in the pitch-black like a little animal in it's burrough, inside the bedroom closet where my parents had told me to hide. I trembled and would have cried, except I was too worried somebody might hear me. For what seemed like hours I sat there, not knowing what to do, but longing to see my parents. So I finally crawled into the kitchen on hands and knees, and with a flashlight got up the nerve to shine light the floor and look around. There lie both of my parents dead in a pool of blood...shot to death over a half dozen cans of food! I howled with anger and fear, and then smelled smoke. The house was on fire...I had to get out! I ran back to the bedroom, opened the window and was just about to crawl outside, when a man came up and helped me through it. I never feared him, even in those circumstances, and he hurried me to a car with a woman waiting there. These two became what I later called, 'my adoptive parents' and we somehow made it this far north, to help found what would later be called, one of the, 'neo-tribes'." "But forming this tribe didn't happen for a couple of years...people were still everywhere at that time raping, looting and burning. Many of the remaining forests burned too. Nothing was safe for the longest time, not even remote cabins, because many headed to the countryside in an effort to survive. People died like flies, EVERYWHERE. About 30% of them died, I believe, just from a lack of prescription medications, within three weeks of the power going out. Another 60% died just from killing each other in the next 12 months, and when I say 60%, I mean about 4 1/2 to 5 billion people the world over! The rest of humanity which perished, died from a lack of food within the next two years, because, being the 'techno-primitives' that they were, they didn't know anything about growing their own food, hunting or survival of any kind...they didn't even have logical or practical minds. So just just DIED in droves." "And that's the story summarized...many of you know what came next...the rebuilding of humankind, and the re-thinking of everything the Before Time thought was important in life. Many of us took oaths to the effect of, 'never again would we worship material things over truth, God and nature' and so, we never have. We determined ourselves to fully realize that life has much greater value than any 'profit margin' could ever have. And, we have learned that the owning of shiny things does not make a better person. That's just a waste of life and precious resources, for the sake of primitive ego. If anything, the spiritual one who isn't interested in accumlating material objects just for their own sake is 'better', for they hold their life priorities in accord with sanity. And above all else, we learned that the truth itself is all that ever did or ever will really matter." The entire crowd, which had grown to about 30 people by now, almost the entire community, were listening carefully nodding their heads. No one said a word, but all looked on in admiration for their Elder-Historian, because no one was held in higher esteem in most tribes. Finally, before the night was done, Heroditus said one last thing, which everyone thought about quite a bit, as they went to sleep in their tarp yurts. She said, "I wonder how any of those people in the Before Time would react to what has been said this night, if they could have somehow listened in? Would they have changed their ways and embraced natural, simple living? Would they take up spiritual practice and hold truth above all other things, or would they merely scoff and walk angrily away? I wonder..." Matthew Webb visionquest@eoni.com The World Mind Society Further suggested reading..."The Survivalists' Guide for the new Millenium" and other related articles in our free, on-site Library. 9 Nov 2009 @ 00:10 by spells : Powerful and True...... Thank you Rishi, this is very powerful and very accurate. I can answer Heroditus' question about ...."how many would have changed their ways and embraced natural, simple living?"...and the answer is none or practically none. Why do I say that? Partly because, it would mean admitting what is wrong in the world and truly questioning the values of modern day society. It would mean that humans have to admit that they are wrong in their priorities, wrong to ignore the value of nature and admit to their own selfishness. Too much ego, too much karma, too little intellegence and practically no wisdom or respect for the truth. Techno-primitives is an apt description. They can get to the moon however they cannot and/or do not want to define their true essence/soul. It's all a choice and one that is obviously not about to change. Great wake up call, however they're not just asleep, they are in a coma. 9 Nov 2009 @ 09:57 by scotty : In a coma ! LOL ! Such loving words of encouragement straight from the heart ! There is much in what you say Spells - unfortunately the way you say it turns people away from you and your words are lost. Actually the natural simple living of our ancestors isn't any better than the way we live today .. There is enough of everything on this planet for everyone .. people die of hunger because of greed and fear .. a change of heart is certainly the answer . I believe we're getting there ! Jane Nelson ~ "Where did we ever get the crazy idea that in order to make children do better, first we have to make them feel worse? Think of the last time you felt humiliated or treated unfairly. Did you feel like cooperating or doing better?" 9 Nov 2009 @ 10:32 by susannahbe : An observation A Respectful Observation: I think they (The Rishi, Spells tag team) are pretty much trapped in their own paradigm and have been so used to dismissing anyone who says anything 'against' them that they are missing some valuable information - that if they were open enough and humble enough to take on board could help them spread 'their truth'. They are probably locked into a self fulfilling loop of 'look we are posting this IMPORTANT stuff and they are STILL not listening' and are too focused on 'their truth' and are not humble enough to actually look at the REASONS we are not listening. [ ] 9 Nov 2009 @ 11:21 by scotty : Dismissing ! That's a large part of the problem Susannah - Rishi and Spells seem to believe that if one is not 'with' them one is 'against' them ! (at least that's the impression they give me) The very of idea of an 'us' and 'them' is one of seperation .. it blocks all possibility to finding common ground that one can build from ... it also seems to lead to attacking the person and not the argument ! I have to say that it's offensive to me when someone declares me their enemy because I disagree with their proposal to achieve a common goal... it causes me to block and resist any possible compromise ! A true leader understands that you can't bring people together by insulting or declaring them your enemy. 9 Nov 2009 @ 13:32 by scotty : Quote of the week ! "Love and concern for all are not things some of us are born with and others are not. Rather, they are results of what we do with our minds: We can choose to transform our minds so that they embody love, or we can allow them to develop habits and false concepts of separation." ~Sharon Salzbert 9 Nov 2009 @ 15:41 by spells : Compassion It's very interesting that what is talked about (more than anything else) is how a message is given instead of the message itself. This is a very clever way to avoid the meaning and intent of the message. It is quite obvious that if one doesn't like the message, they will do anything to avoid it's content and distract from it's meaning. This does nothing in the way of good except help the responder feel better about themself. I wonder how many people who answer in such a way have a roof over their head, food on the table, heat to keep warm, a neighborhood that is free of bombs and/or military, don't hear gunshots outside their door, live in a place where no buildings are destroyed by bombs, are able to feed their children, have clean water to drink, possess all the latest computer equipment, tv, microwaves, dishwasher and more, are able to go to markets and buy whatever they want or need, etc. Now how many people in the world are without even the basics required just to exist? Clean water, food, shelter, safety from explosives, clothing, etc. Too few. If people are as compassionate as they CLAIM to be, then why do they avoid the messages that point these things out? Why do they do anything they can to avoid the content and the truth of the messages? If they truly believe (or claim) that we are all one, then why don't they care about the greater percentage of the world that is suffering,(and the suffering is probably because of the actions of our government that we are allowing and even paying for)? I have seen this go on all my life. You want to be treated nicely? Well, talking in a polite and diplomatic way did nothing to convey the message and have something actually done about it, even if doing something means just discussion on what action can be taken. Talking in a straight forward manner yields the exact same results. We are Souls, not profit margins. We are souls, not possessions. We are Souls, not words or images. It is sickening how people speak about having compassion where they show none, except for how their peers and associates feel. The only thing that matters is how they feel. That is NOT compassion, that is evil and selfish. Oh, sorry...you don't like that? Well tell me how it's wrong, and while you are at it, tell the earth that is being destroyed and weakened at human's hands how that it"s wrong. Tell the Iraqi mother whose family and life were destroyed because of our invasion, how it's wrong. Tell the countless people who are starving, while we throw food out, how compassionate you are. Tell all the species that go extinct everyday at our hands, how it's wrong. Instead of getting all bent out of shape over the way something is said, look at what is being said. The above article by Rishi, does have a powerful message. That wasn't said to insult you or get a rise out of you....it was said because it is true. If you can't see that, then tell me why. Care about something besides how you feel for just a few minutes. Or is that really impossible? 9 Nov 2009 @ 15:49 by scotty : NOW you're talking ! OK Sandi I read every word you said - and I heard you ! (This time you were using a language that I could understand !) Let me digest it some and I'll get back to you ! and thankyou ! 9 Nov 2009 @ 15:57 by mortimer : oopz there it iz.. "It's very interesting that what is talked about (more than anything else) is how a message is given instead of the message itself. This is a very clever way to avoid the meaning and intent of the message. It is quite obvious that if one doesn't like the message, they will do anything to avoid it's content and distract from it's meaning. This does nothing in the way of good except help the responder feel better about themself"~Mirror-Image The only thing you two pointed out was a childish tirade. Proof is in the results. Just go read the top article, a childish tirade. lol holy smokes! 9 Nov 2009 @ 16:04 by mortimer : Fiction Oh and now I see Rishi is a fiction author. Some type of 'survival' guide where he encourages moving from a place of fear and desperation. In fact, in his childish tirade he tries to enforce fear and desperation. Everybody stop having fun. Sir Rishi wants his own sandbox. 9 Nov 2009 @ 16:22 by a-d : Spells, I think you are expressing the most significant point to be read/said in this --to say the least: WEIRD "Debate" here ... started by Sus,and cheered on by Scotty!... and now Good Ol'Morty jumped in with his little Ego chest thumping needs spiced with Morty kind of Fabulousness A lot chest thumping and throwing rocks in own Glasshouses: "... how a message is given instead of the message itself...." going on here these days!.... NOBODY has private ownership of ANY Message in Universe!... So, both Truth and truth can be spitted out by ALL & Everyone!.... But, now at least I know where my TRUST in people's GENUINE goodness is residing! If I ever needed more meat on the bones /proof in order to know for sure about some friends' personalities here and how truthful/genuine they were/are/how much and what quality really drives them... well now I know!.... Idiosynchracies are just that: small harmless idiosynchracies. ON-going Mean spirited DOUBLE-TALK "ahhh, I'm too-Sexy-For-My-Skin -ooooozing" Do-gooders will not fool me any longer just because they SAY some Truthful CONCEPTS taken fromthere; Universe: ANYBODY has access to them!... and can SAY them!...TO truly emanate them as feeling/s or should I say "FRAGRANCE" is quite an other!.... Yet...we are all SOMEWERE on the Path....in one direction --or the other: either we go towards our own annihilation or towards a greater feeling of one's own true essence!... Oneness, like Scotty often times likes to point out to us!... which -of course-- is good ... we can all benefit from a reminder every once in a while... I suppose.... Let go of energies that do not go in the same direction as you! Just quietly send that Compassion to them. Don't even bother to discuss!... too much ego gets into it... too much time lost, too much hurt !...for what? for someone's need to be a BS;er!... (If all someone wanted to do, was just simple pointing out to someone else's idiosyncrasies... this "debate" wouldn't even be here now!.... This is someone SUCKING LIFE energy... from Rishi you & !... Ugly, Ugly, Ugly!... Of course, now I will be jumped on because I had that little "exchange of words that ONE TIME.... (when his a little oversized/ "pompous" ego "deserved" / needed a push back into what is more of a Trademark for/of Rishi: always working on being evermore LOVING & CARING ... but that is a far cry from the rest on Rishi's & my interaction thru the years.) Sandi, grabb Matt's hand and go out and enjoy your day today!.... not worth the effort to try to figure out how to counter shit!....( THAT IS HOW THIS IS ALL PERCEIVED BY US WHO HAVE IN THE SIDELINES QUIETLY WATCHING/FOLLOWING Sus' "DISPLAY of How Great she is and how worthless everybody else is!.... "Good" writing skills don't replace a loving Heart!....) 9 Nov 2009 @ 17:02 by mortimer : chest thumping? lol I have not even flexed my muscles yet, just getting started. :} "Let go of energies that do not go in the same direction as you!"~a-d Exactly, Rishi wants his own sandbox. 9 Nov 2009 @ 17:36 by scotty : Sandi .. ALBERT EINSTEIN: "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Despite worries of wars - economic collapse - famine and natural disasters there’s been an enormous improvement in the quality of life over the last two hundred years .. yet ask 100 people how they feel about the future and I bet you that 90% will reply that they fear for the world and themselves. But this was probably true for past generations too ! I have my own nightmare of millions of old people scratching in the soil of an over-heated planet that is robbed of bird song - fish - insects - trees - plants .. the list is countless ! Progress has made it that people have never been so well educated and aware of what is going on in the world .. but there seems to be a such a large gap between our technical ingenuity and our political and moral capacities to deal with these problems that most people just fall into a state of fatal pessimism ! This is WRONG because reason - moral fortitude – good leadership and yes ‘science’ can save us !! Education is vital ! Not just about the menace of an overheated overpopulated world but about ‘greed’ ‘selfishness’ 'fear' and most of all ‘love’ ! It’s easy to bow down before ancient wisdom while refusing absolutely to see any in our modern civilization .. but the ultimate solution is people ! Especially skilled spirited and hopeful young people who’ll use their wills and imaginations for their own benefit and inevitably benefit the rest of us as well. At any one time a million things are going wrong and the world is falling apart. At any one time a million things are going right and the world just keeps getting better. Those are both true statements but one will feel much more true than the other depending one which is loaded into your attention. I'd rather focus on the things that are right with the world. We may not be able to change the world with one act of kindness or generosity, but we can tilt it in the right direction. – Erwin McManus Deepak Chopra said "we now have the means to answer profound questions about our existence, through building on the 'wisdom traditions' and counter-balancing materialistic interpretations of the world. Our personal transformation can change the world, by taking us to the next stage of evolution, from survival of the fittest to self awareness and survival of the wisest. The awakening of the collective soul is needed now, in the crisis we face, in which we have to change in ten years or risk extinction within 50 years." The question is not when or how we have 'transformation' - but when will we live it? In his book A Hidden Wholeness (3), Parker Palmer describes this moment of standing in the tragic gap between reality and possibility as critical for us to endure. In this place of tension between the opposites of doing and simply being Parker suggests we often experience heartbreaking awareness such that our hearts are literally broken open in order that a new capacity for seeing more clearly emerges. Through this experience of conversion we are able to discern the initial steps required for the future to unfold. In the gap we begin to decipher the often-subtle actions necessary to evoke a new reality and thus we can begin the journey of moving from the heart back to the head as our intellect is guided by our heart's wisdom. At this point we engage our resources, power, and courage to make the radical changes that will evoke a new future. Transformation requires that we ultimately walk confidently into the void which holds the promise of the future while not fully knowing the final destination. 9 Nov 2009 @ 18:08 by scotty : Hi A-d The "WEIRD Debate" wasn't started by Susannah ! I'm not cheering anyone on either .. I'm surprised at all your seeming sarcasm .. "Sarcasm is a form of humor that uses sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule, generally saying the opposite of what the statement really is." Mock wound subject to contempt or ridicule !! Is that really the 'cosmic vibe' that you mean to send out ? P.S. Sarcasm - it's ugly ! 9 Nov 2009 @ 18:21 by mortimer : The Holdout? "last holdout for what is still a good cause"~Rishi Re-posting a message sent to Ming complaining about NCN is gossip..its some blatant bad character. To what end does sacrificing dignity justify the means. The method of delivering a message is important, its called diplomacy. For the definition of pompous, read the childish tirade at top of page. If somebody comes to NCN and wants things run their way does that make them an interloper? Keep holding out guys, I suspect your ultimatums are not acceptable here. Although, unlike some members, I only speak for myself. 9 Nov 2009 @ 18:26 by susannahbe : Well [ ]
a-d - get your facts straight - see what is there not what is imagined. 9 Nov 2009 @ 18:34 by mortimer : Fear It invokes far more than that Susannah. Anything touched with fear is to some degree cursed! 9 Nov 2009 @ 20:10 by a-d : So, if Rishi wants "his own Little Sandbox" let him have it!.... I don't see that any different than everybody else here wanting a "their Own" sandbox" or want to sit (for a while in someone's they feel being on the same wave length with!.... Soooo... I certainly don't feel that Rishi is after anybody's scalp as are for instance a lot of intentionally cruel "politicians" in the World ... not to mention their HANDLERS"!.... Do you guys; Sus, Scotty and maybe you too, Morty, write to them "FUCK OFF" ...we DO KNOW that their PLAN IS to MURDER Appr 80- 90 % of us, "Grassroots people"!... I would love to read those letters of your, Sus, "expressing your feelings" (as "Standing up for yourself" and what not)!.... Rishi is not --more than any of you guys -- twisting anybody's arm to read his writings, nor to join him. IF people do; they do it because they resonate with Rishi --or at least with what he says!... sometimes he acts a little pompous!.... Yes. Then take him down a noch or two by saying something more in proportion to his "Crime". And his MESSAGE IS GOOD to/for MANY MANY MANY people!... said in little too long/too wordy article for me ...but I get his drift and leave the rest!..heheh Just a lot of "ROCKS flying here in Glasshouses" as it seems to us who have been following this MELO-DRAMA! Correction --or question made to Rishi about his overzealoness (which I do agree was there) was really all it had taken!.... But... well, Guys & Dolls; read what you wrote here and on Sus's comment spo to rishi...--as if he was trying to twist your arm, HARM you etc, any more than your own Self appointed goodness!???... Tell me; don't we all make these mistakes??? I know I make all kinds of weird mistakes when I don't have any real intent to do so!.... When pointed out in a loving decent way by someone, I'am perfectly happy to acknowledge such thing IF or WHEN it really happened. (I'm sure rishi would have no particular difficulties doing so as well! ) But I don't take ad hominem attack quite as well...regardless whom they are trying to uglify / make questionable -especially when they are comparing one's own goodness (like the Two Gals whose-names-We-Are-Not-Allowed- To-Mention-Here-Any-longer" !...(also said by them!)) and rights to "Express" disapproval a la Sus in this case... ad you Sotty... you were out of line in regards to your own Life Philosophy by miles!:"ALL is ONE!" I personally don't think anyone here really means to belong to the groups of people who really would deserve these kinds of nasty Expressions of Feelings as Rishi got from Sus; the Crooks who really have the intention to take down the PLANET -and us with it!.... WRITE YOUR FEELING & OPINIONS ABOUT THEM to THEM! THAT MIGHT INDEED help Humanity and do those Lost Souls some good! I don't see HOW Rishi's self assuredness is more offensive than anybody else's starting with myself/my own, and then you guys as well!... NONE of us means to be evil, do we? 9 Nov 2009 @ 20:51 by susannahbe : energy [ ]
a-d - get your facts straight - see what is there not what is imagined. 9 Nov 2009 @ 21:09 by mortimer : Do the Math Ya must have missed the start a-d. He said all NCN and the rest of the World too. In computer terms, a sandbox is a safe domain, it’s safe because it is locked down and your browser cannot load anything from another domain. Seems Rishi wants the whole universe as his domain, his own sandbox. He has his own newslog and before his attack on Joy, I never said anything about his flawed logic. Anybody who got a problem with Susannah has got a problem with me. Now as a repercussion with great Joy I'm slowly exposing his flawed thinking. My house isn’t glass a-d I’m ready for the hurricane. Ad hominem attack means stuff from the past, besides that, I'm addressing his argument. This is here and now, fresh blatant bad character. No bigly, like you said a-d we all have messed up sometime. You know I work hard to get along and I’m not scared to swallow my pride. But No! Rishi has never been wrong. Holdout! This gets weirder a-d. I have not revealed the big picture yet. Zoom out. I give you a hint….what really caused Rishi to attack Joy? Do you think Rishi knows why he attacked Joy? Ah Wheee… wee bit of Joy can destroy a whole bunch of fear. Joy is more powerful than fear. It’s threatening to people who base their life on fear and desperation. Do the math. 9 Nov 2009 @ 22:30 by rishi : Educational I assume everyone here has read the two articles I posted, entitled, "It Was the Year 59 AGF". It seems even more likely that everyone here knows the truth of what was spoken in those articles, regarding the state of the world. So I ask most people here these questions... 1) "What is more important to you, endless personal commentaries, or speaking of important, relevant SUBJECTS?" 2) "What is more important to you, that we make something relevant to the improvement of this world on NCN, or that we turn it into a daily gossip hour, of trivia and no accomplishment?" 3) "What is more important to you, engaging the truth honestly or as they say in the East, trying to 'save face'?" Finally, "What do you stand for"? 9 Nov 2009 @ 22:35 by susannahbe : for Rishi. . . [ ]
9 Nov 2009 @ 22:39 by scotty : Hi A-d 2 Defending someone isn’t wishing harm it’s merely protecting! Protecting someone - not defending an ideal or attacking someone elses ideals ! Some people seem to think they can do no wrong I'm talking about sarcastic snippy rude chip-on-shoulder types who enjoy putting other people down What should one do ? Should we tell them off ? Hit them back? Leave 'em alone? Recommend therapy? Yes of course it’s best not to reply in kind .. that’s all very easy to say... especially when one is aware of All is One but it's much harder to do. Another problem is that turning the other cheek seems to bring out the worst in some people. Sometimes showing you are verbally armed will do ! (Susannah as it turns out is well armed LOL ) Almost always one can do better than return an insult with an insult. I don’t think I was insulting .. I don’t believe that I’m light years away from my Oneness philosophy either .. Being aware of ‘oneness’ and trying to live it doesn’t mean that one mustn’t be real ! (I’m talking about myself here and not trying to dictate how other people think or feel about ‘oneness) It’s true that one doesn’t always seem to come from a place of divinity. But because one doesn’t always seem to come from divinity doesn't mean that we’re not it. Humanness covers a wide range.... divineness does too. Being ‘One’ means getting in touch with oneself and both the light and dark aspects of our beings.... It’s about trying to become the best person you can be.... Nearly every major religion teaches that we would be wise to treat each other as we would like to be treated…because eventually ....what we do comes back to us. There comes the moment when you look into a mirror holding a mirror in front of the mirror. Then you will see yourself in the mirror holding the mirror and in this mirror you see yourself holding a mirror... etc etc going endless into the depth of space. Until the image disappears. 9 Nov 2009 @ 22:48 by mortimer : See a-d Pompous rigmarole, plain and simple. Rishi has no idea what discussions that have taken place in the newslogs. He has no idea of our relations, our subjects are not important to him, not relevant. All he sees is personal commentaries. He does not know who we are. Rishi has no idea of our relations, but he expects everybody to relate to him. 9 Nov 2009 @ 23:06 by susannahbe : Human [ ] 9 Nov 2009 @ 23:08 by rishi : The Issues Dear Susanahbe, That's great, on many counts. Not owning a TV tells me you don't value what it shows, and probably don't believe what it says. That you understand the nature of propaganda, and avoiding this to keep from being deluded by it. That you value nature and respect what it IS and DOES, and that through a vegetarian diet you have better health and a clearer conscience. And that being REAL as you said, with other people and yourself, in the making of sincere efforts for self improvement, especially at a mental level. All of these things are excellent, highly relevant and sane focuses, and I'd like to know how you arrived at them. So I'm wondering for a moment, given all this, why you would want to promote such a "random" message, instead of promoting everything you just said. Why not call your log, for instance, "Getting REAL" or some such thing, in a better reflection of who you really ARE, and then encourage such discussion? I believe I just answered your first question. As for your second question, "Have you dealt with your own darkness, your own shadow, your own shit?" I should probably ask you specifically what you mean by that, so that I can answer the intent of the question, rather than just the words. For the sake of brevity though, I'll let you define that later, if you're so inclined. I can give a simple answer, or a very long one. I'll opt for the simple, short one, given the various comments about "lengths of posts" here and elsewhere. It took me many years to go beyond the digressive expectations and non-reflective state of mind of my parents. I was an only child, grew up without many neighbors nearby, and I found my one true ally was nature itself. I was taught that nothing mattered in life, that existence was just a pointless place where "people just did what they did" and they didn't need good reasons for doing it either. There was no such thing as a "cause" or purpose, and life was whatever the TV dictated. There was never any discussion about anything important. It took me about 20 years to get over this mediocrity. But my second year in the Navy showed me two things....that the status quo is very evil and misguided, and that life had much higher meanings than what most people were focused upon...(getting drunk and not caring). So while everybody else went out whoring and drinking, I rented a motel room to meditate, (candle and mirror meditations). I read a great deal, first about neurology, then psychology, philosophy, metaphysics, the occult and finally, spirituality. I read Krishnamurti, Rajneesh, Chopra, and many others, and after that started writing. I created my own self-hypnosis tapes and listened to a lot of meditational music. I must confess, I never felt that I belonged on this world, even as a little child, and even though at the time, I deperately wanted to. I just never "related" to the human condition. As time passed, I realized that wanting to "relate" came at the price of "fitting in", and fitting in meant that I had to gear my mind and life focus, so that it was a copy of what everybody else was doing. I could never stomach that. As for the usual "issues" that plague the modern person, well, I never really had those...never was a materialist, never was a blind follower of anything, never did believe in promoting/selling a "self image" to others so that they might give me a better "job" or include me in their "clique". I was once more selfish than I am now, but I realized that this is pointless. I was once far less caring, but realization took that away. I've spent the last decade in very intensive focus upon the expansion of consciousness, and all during this period I continue to learn, correct and upgrade, mentally, physically and soulically. I have a feeling this reply probably doesn't address your intent in asking, but it IS what came to mind. Please do let me know if you'd like to discuss this further, or along whatever lines.... 9 Nov 2009 @ 23:35 by mortimer : Oh great now he is a Sociopath "I must confess, I never felt that I belonged on this world, even as a little child, and even though at the time, I deperately wanted to. I just never "related" to the human condition. As time passed, I realized that wanting to "relate" came at the price of "fitting in", and fitting in meant that I had to gear my mind and life focus, so that it was a copy of what everybody else was doing. I could never stomach that." Like I said, Rishi has no idea about our relations, but he expects everybody to relate to him. Here above we find he admits that he cant relate. Means he has no empathy, he is a sociopath. Now I'm not surprised he has no ears. Making relations does not mean you have to fit in, that's just Rishi rationalizing his inability to make relations. I have seen sociopaths rationalize robbing banks. 10 Nov 2009 @ 00:02 by susannahbe : Rishi . . . [ ]
My latest change of title, in keeping with the never ending flow of life, was RANDOM - UPDATED DAILY - Random Posts Fished from the Streaming NOW And it is just that, staying with the energy of the now, no points, no agenda, just reflecting what came along. Very Powerful - I am sure you will agree. Look what it has bought us to. It is late here - I will answer more tomorrow. 10 Nov 2009 @ 00:08 by mortimer : Dont fall for It Or he will do it again. Rishi started this fire on purpose. Its like the arson who wants to come to the rescue so he creates a fire. I do not reward bad character 10 Nov 2009 @ 00:15 by susannahbe : joy I know who I am, I stand in my own light. [ ] 10 Nov 2009 @ 00:15 by mortimer : oh he did He did it to us all. My random divination got his number. I sincerely doubt he try it again but if members reward him he just might. 10 Nov 2009 @ 00:18 by susannahbe : joy [ ]
a-d - get your facts straight - see what is there not what is imagined. 10 Nov 2009 @ 02:24 by a-d : I do not reward bad character neither do I!...Give yourself a party for being such Great Hotshots!... ("too sexy for my..." ) NO opening anywhere but "You are WRONG" and all the rest of the BAD things ... ONLY IIiiii have the right to say/do while YOU on the other hand DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT! ....annn HOW DARE YOU EVEN THINK YOU WOULD!?!?... etc etc. Discussion finished as no true desire to solve any /disagreements issues really is apparent! NO OPENING of any kind anywhere!... ONLY:" YOU MUST BE WRONG and I MUST BE RIGHT AT ALL COST!" ( I never understood why people cannot disagree without descending into this kind of mud throwing . Everything they do/say MUST be right and all the other person is /does MUST be horrible and wrong! .... Sorry,Sus and Morty... your farts smell no better than anybody else's!.., ; ) this is all I will answer Sus & Morty...Now you can throw yourselves that party --or cry in each other's arms... or whaddevah!... Good Night! /a-d 10 Nov 2009 @ 03:30 by mortimer : Oh ya Soapbox Hero Mudslinging would be ad hominem attack. And we discussed this already..."My house isn’t glass a-d I’m ready for the hurricane. Ad hominem attack means stuff from the past, besides that, I'm addressing his argument." hence addressing the argument is not mudslinging. Well a-d, I would like to point out, you did not address the argument, so you are mudslinging ad hominem. Ad hominem particles: "Great Hotshots" "too sexy for my" "You are WRONG" etc something about a fart 10 Nov 2009 @ 04:44 by a-d : Morty... I'm ready to puke on you and yourSLFE AAGGRANDICING SHIT KEEP it where IT belongs AT YOUR DOORSTEP! Or I will ask Sus to (help me) send your shit back to you. She knows how to do such things!... doesn't she? and besides Knight with Shining Armor; you suck!!!! no matter how GRAND and what not you think of yourself!.... So... u bettah than rishi!.???? No, Dear Ma!... FAAAAAAAAAARRRR cry from it!.... FUCK OFF,M. I'm as SICK and TIRED of YOUR shit as Sus is with rishi's . How's that for a Reality check??? IS that as valid???? DO I have that right??????? 10 Nov 2009 @ 08:13 by susannahbe : Well . . .the energy is certainly moving in this place. [ ] 10 Nov 2009 @ 08:35 by susannahbe : message for a-d [ ]
Your first two comments on this newslog show you haven't followed this issue and don't really know what is going on, perhaps best to get some background info before jumping in. a-d - get your facts straight - see what is there, not what is imagined. 10 Nov 2009 @ 10:27 by susannahbe : In answer to Rishi [ ]
I follow my own light and do what I do quietly in my own authentic way. I respect the path of others and I expect mine to be respected in return. Could you please explain your justification for initiating the sarcastic, disrespectful and demeaning tone of the whole thing over at my log and the headline story on this blog using my name, from a bigger soul level perspective please. 10 Nov 2009 @ 11:59 by mortimer : Sure a-d We should all be humble before you and Rishi I can see how that can make you puke Does anybody else sense a little jealousy coming from these guys? I think that's what started it Susannah. The top reads like a jealous child's tirade. And now a-d gee, sound like she has been harboring this for a while enit. Gotta love the jealous people. Everybody stop having Fun and be Humble. Humble from dictionary reference: 2. having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc. 3. low in rank, importance, status, quality, etc.; lowly: of humble origin 10 Nov 2009 @ 13:57 by mortimer : Ponto Zero .) drive and determination -> truth .) fear of empowerment and joy -> jealousy Rishi works more with drive and determination that anything, seems truth is often the subset. 10 Nov 2009 @ 15:42 by a-d : I found one very good and accurate comment here!...sharp, to the point, in just a few words describing something very monstrous and complex! Excellent, Scotty. THANK you. Only one thing needs to be added: Rishi is by no means the only lunetic/Ego megalomaniack here and -IMHO- not the worst either! It is clear to me we now have ONE WORLDWIDE Guru here and one GOD here and silly as it is the GOD Father here is fighting not just Rishi, but all who dare to object to HIS Shit! Sus aren't you making your self/your own person more Special here than (over). And you Sus... YOU think of YOURSELF as the God's Gift to Earth! all you say to me oozes that energy! Where are your own factual statements :"lunatic" twittering hypocrite -or words to that effect; all said to rishi, when ALL you needed to say to begin with: was something a la: R, I don't know where you're coming from, but to me it all sucks and I will now remove your comment from my blog. and then you could just have blocked him!... Instead you chose to ASK him to stay away.THAT I call DISPLAY of Whatever weird Ideas about NO... Sus... we all emanate shit from time to time we all are special and great from time to time to SOMEBODY! We all have ego issues from time to time to deal with!... We are All capable to be equally GOOD and EQUALLY bad!... FROM TIME TO TIME! The Q is if we habitually choose to be/remain EVIL: intentionally (choosing to ) wanting to destroy (the rest) of Life-forms around us??? None of us are any better pr worse than the other!... Some learn to choose the Loving aspect of the Human Archetype to be the Guiding Star in their/our life/interactions with life around us on an ever more habitual basis, which of course is what we all need to do IF we want to survive as a Species! We can NEVER have RIGHTS that we are not willing to accept ALL have that same Right! We can never deny other from all the same as we give ourselves! For eaxample: To DEMAND an apology & such from me is not in any of these Loving categories! Susannahbe, THAT was a terrible mistake and incredible display of EGO MEGALOMANIA on your part!.... to try to twist my arm DEMAND to apologize to you --and for what??? shit you put out!... as if I wouldn't have right to express my feeling about what you (guys: You& Morty) have been doing saying here -- just like you (and Dear Morty) has been doing here!..) The Pot calling the Kettle black! It is never about what the other person did or didn't , that makes the difference...It is how we each handle whats said and done, that makes the whole difference between as loving and gentle as possible -or as megalomaniack as one's ego needs in order to suck life energy from others via the Negative Attention!... You guys have now got my Attention to the point I am willing to go! How you handle this all is up to you & your conscience! A-d 10 Nov 2009 @ 15:45 by spells : So many posts...so little time.... I was away yesterday and missed the postings on my log or would have responded in a more timely manner. It was quite surprising to see over 40 comments last night and this morning. To be honest, I copied all the comments onto a document so that I could address each one. Stayed up most of the night contemplating what to say, and even started writing answers to each one. As I was doing this it ocurred to me that this is just more of the same issue that brought this discussion into existence. Sussanahbe wrote: "people are reacting to you rather than your material", in regards to Rishi's posts. This is a very revealing statement. What in essence it says is that it matters not what material says, what facts are presented, if something is true, logical, or practical. What matters is: 1) how a person feels about the material or how it is said/written, 2) if a reader's image is effected, 3) if a person feels they have to defend their image and/or ego and 4) how a person feels about it. Did it ever ocurr to anyone that the time may have come to stop reacting, step back, look at facts, and possibly see that the course of events are results of the choices made by people, and that by taking stock and responsibility for these choices perhaps some solution/resolution can be acheived? There is merit found in some of the answers and explanations from those above. On this world where the goal of the majority of the people is that of money, status and image, it is quite refreshing to hear of those that seek a higher path. However, as Rishi has pointed out, not all paths, or topics are equal. I have heard how people "respect" everyone's else's path, and "their truth". Now doesn't this sound so nice, so spiritual, so loving and so good. However, is it? Is it good to indulge obviously destructive and de-evolutionary ways, just to look like a good person? What results have come from this? Where is the beauty and joy for most people on this planet experiencing hunger, disease, war and poverty? Someone said: "There is enough of everything on this planet for everyone". There would be enough if the focus and goal of most people wasn't the excessive accumulation of "things". For example, if people didn't believe that they required an enormous amount of living space. If money wasn't considered a God. If the raping of land, the destruction of life and the uncaring and disrespect for all that is good weren't commonplace. If arbitrary standards didn't exist that state....the higher you are in financial status and the more things you own, the "better" person you are. I don't want to start a tirade of responses defending the ways in which you live, what you believe or how good you are. I'm sure that most are a bit out of the mainstream of society just by virtue of being here. But it is obvious you just don't get it. There is Truth. There is a universe beyond human standards and perceptions. Just because you don't know it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What does it take for you to admit that the standards of society are wrong? How can it be right when something like 3 species go extinct every hour? Our food has lost a great percentage of it's nutritional value? The Medical Profession is a business, NOT a healing modality? The list goes on and on. NOT all paths are equal. We are not the image we project. We are Consciousness and as Consciousness we have a responsibility to all life, if we like it or not, if we believe it or not and if we want to or not! Do you even know the definition of Consciousness? Do you even take an interest in what your true essence is? Rishi has defined consciousness in his writings countless times. I can tell you that I have found this definition to be true. Not because he says so, but because I have experienced it over and over in my daily life. Has anyone even looked at this? The only responses I have ever seen run along the lines of "oh, you can't know what consciousness is." Well how do you know that if you don't even look? How can one know this, if one won't even try to experience it and explore it? How can a species with the knowledge of humans get anywhere, if they don't even know about their own true essence? (if you had experienced and explored your true essence to crystallization, you would know you are not your thoughts, minds, feelings etc, you are the creator of them.) You want to experience beauty and joy then start with your true self. This is the essence of all life and it is beautiful, joyful and beyond compare!! Doesn't it ocurr to any of you that the only reason there are a lot of responses on this log is because the main objective here is to save face, get the upper hand or defend a point? You can call this negative or judgemental, however that is pathetic! You speak of seeing the beauty, the joy, but you seem to use this excuse to ignore the ugliness and suffering in the world. I'm not just talking about humans, I'm talking about what humans are doing to nature and the planet at large. You want joy and beauty, then do something besides boosting your own ego, to accomplish this. Not just for yourselves, but for as many as possible. (I'm not saying that no one here doesn't do their part in some way, but get the focus away from a knee jerk response). I have a news flash for you.....There is something to learn. There are natural/spiritual laws. Just look at nature. If you really feel nature and are a part of it, as many here may say, then be honest and admit that we can learn a lot from it. I will leave this log as is for another day or two. However, sometime soon I will post Rishi's article, "It Was the Year 59 AGF" on it's own to encourage discussion about the state of society. Let's see if that yields even a tenth of the comments that have been posted here. 10 Nov 2009 @ 15:50 by mortimer : My comments are copyright and are not to be republished without permission. Yes Spells its called diplomacy, something that the top article utterly lacks. With great Joy I trust the Universe and I trust the readers are not the fools that you guys think they are. Ya there's something to learn alright, the pajama party is over. Spells you might trust a doctor with a bad reputation, I wouldn't. I see you guys don't care about your reputation, 'cos if you had then you would not have posted the gossip garbage article like the one at the top of this page. Just more of the same, more flawed logic and upside-down thinking. If your spiritual teacher tries to tell you to be not-judgmental or 'reputation is not important, run Forest run. 10 Nov 2009 @ 17:38 by susannahbe : Joy [ ] 10 Nov 2009 @ 17:47 by susannahbe : even more JOY [ ] 10 Nov 2009 @ 17:50 by susannahbe : Rishi, spells repeat question [ ]
from a bigger soul level perspective. 10 Nov 2009 @ 19:28 by rishi : Disrespect Susanahbe asks, "Could you please explain your justification for initiating the sarcastic, disrespectful and demeaning tone of the whole thing over at my log and the headline story on this blog using my name, from a bigger soul level perspective please." All right. I'll explain my comments, once again. I said them to you and others here, because our world is dying, and very little else gets peoples' attention focused, then engaging them in a personalized way. Our world is dying, and as Spells pointed out, we are killing it. About how many years do you suppose we have left, AS A SPECIES, before what was described in my "It was the Year 59 AGF" articles? Two? Three? Perhaps 10-20 at the outside? And yet this subject doesn't interest you at all. In fact, not much at all interests you except posturing and gossiping, does it? Now if I had simply said to any of you..."Our world is dying, here's the statistics, and here's the logic of changing our ways...there's just NO WAY IN HELL any of you would have even bothered to discuss the matter with me. You CERTAINLY wouldn't have generated over 50 comments on the subject. How do I know this? Because that's what me and Spells have done over and over on this forum hundreds of times in 6 YEARS. This has been our experience with you, again and agian. We wrote whole articles, we were polite, we made every effort to reply meaningfully to every response on our logs. We did this even though those replies never went anywhere, ALWAYS turned personal, superficial and meandered off topic. It is quite clear to us that nothing involves egotists more intensely then addressing them as egotists. Thus, the sarcasm. And you say Susanahbe, that this is disrespectful. Well, tell me this....where is your respect for the purpose of this website? Likewise for the rest of you, going on and on and on endlessly about ego-concerns and personality issues...where is your respect for the purpose of this website? I mean just look at you...you'll go on for days on end, bickering. Meanwhile, the fate of this planet, the very definition of truth and the expansion of consciousness, doesn't even interest you! You'd rather gossip. What does it take to get you serious about important issues, rather than a continuous stream of personal commentaries? Where is your CONSCIENCE? CONSCIENCE; "The sense of consciousness of the moral goodness or blameworthiness of ones' own conduct, intentions or character, together with a feeling of obligation to do right or be good". Simple straightforwardness didn't and does not generally work with you. You're simply not interested in the state of the world and refuse to talk about it comprehensively. This is of course just a nice way of saying you don't care at all, because you're too wrapped up in petty self image. To make this point clear, I bring your attention to the fact that comments here are of two general types, and I'll name them using modern slang... 1) kissing ass or, 2) trying to kick ass. Both of these are just the two sides of the same ego-coin. About 99% of what goes on in this forum is one of these two things, and honestly, that means there's very little other way to get through to you, except through one or the other. I must point out that everything my, "It Was the Year 59 AGF" articles say about modern humans is precisely true of the norm here. And of course, that's much of the reason why I wrote it that way. Through your gossipping and trivializing you demonstrate you don't care. In fact, you are literally contemptuous of caring, meaning and CAUSE. And so it is that, "the lesson is taught in accord with the students' fitness to learn". 10 Nov 2009 @ 19:36 by susannahbe : Last words that was an 'intellectual' answer...justifying your actions, not a soul level one. After I handed 'the shit back' my comments on this newslog have not been either kicking ass or kissing ass. Please read them without prejudice. You say your actions are for the greater good to illustrate a point and get people attention. Just like firebombers put bombs around to illustrate theirs - it gets results. Looking at 'your shit' means examining our own motives and methods. I don't mind what you say about me that isn't my issue, but I DO very much care about your methods and tactics. You are doing things for the effect - just like the people and media you despise. I sense darkness and fear, not joy and light. No more words from me. [ ] 10 Nov 2009 @ 19:38 by mortimer : Now that's strange Rishi you the one doing all the posturing and gossiping and your saying that because I am interested in your social network assassination gossip then your bad character is justified. I don't think your going to receive the results you desire, in fact I AM SURE OF IT. So there you have it folks. Divination was correct, I would be more surprised if it wasn't. Rishi started a fire on purpose. He just admitted it. And he admitted to kissing your ass. This is how Rishi makes relations. 10 Nov 2009 @ 20:22 by susannahbe : Energy [ ] 10 Nov 2009 @ 20:42 by mortimer : Just 4 Fun [ ]
10 Nov 2009 @ 21:22 by mortimer : 59 comments 10 Nov 2009 @ 22:27 by susannahbe : Even more joy! [ ]
Light can penetrate dark, but dark can't penetrate light 10 Nov 2009 @ 22:53 by a-d : Yesss, absolutey, Sus! tha's it: we are indeed ALL God's Gift to Earth! ...and the "Trick" is to understand that we really are all made to be thee Prototype ("Jesus" Guys/Dolls! First; I think we all need to have the very HEART-realization that we all have EVERY Bit of BOTH the Dark -AS WELL as ALL the Life affirming Archetypes in us.EVERYONE of usyuppp... :) Then and ONLY then can we with our own Heartfelt CHOICE habitually choose to start LIVING one way --or the other!... I remember when I realized that I could be a MURDERER just as "easy" / well as ANY OTHER Murderer ever... ALL it would take was ALL the same circumstances etc! Then came the Q why wasn't Everybody a Murderer?...They had understood this and CHOSEN by their OWN FREE WILL NOT TO fall into SUCH AN ARCHETYPE! IF --on the other hand we don't realize this with our own God-given Free Will...then we have to learn it "The Hard Way": by experience!... Many do choose THAT route!... We CAN choose that, but in such case we have to pay the price: there is always a price to be paid by us when we go against the Cosmic Laws! That was the moment I chose not to ever become a Murderer!... This same principle is true about all the "gazillion" nyanses of going along with the Highest in Universe --or with the ever lower. MOST of us do stupid choices more often than we really understand right away!... This is what Quantum Leaps are all about, I think: The Smallest Leap it takes to change our Life for good into a more Life affirming direction -or the other! (though most people think of QL:s as always moving into more positive.(I leave that open (for myself) for more info/input) Heartfelt Openings Heartfelt Openings!... as opposite to insist in butting heads!...hehehe... Yes,Sus, I did not intend to hurt you --only to point out that it wans't as easy always to feel safe and secure when interacting with you.( An example: to many firends on NCN I can WHATEVER I feel I need want to say without having to edit mydself first!... I neve rfelt thjat safety around you!... I did not say it was YOUR fault The reason for this can just as well be inme...but IT WAS THERE! I never had it with Scotty for instance, nor Heidi, nor Vaxen, nor Rishi, nor Spells, Koravya, Jazzo, Quinty, Bushy !...I had disgreements with everyone of these friends. So why did I feel not so good and safe around you??? I felt you were locked into a "weird" Headspace oftentimes. We can never claim any kind of "Monopoly Position" that we aren't willing to give to ALL. If "you" can be wrong, the so can "I" If "You" can be right, then so can "I" . This is the Cosmic Modus Operandi we all need to follow. All we CAN do is to look into how habitual a given Way is in ourselves and others ... Sure, Rishi has his weirdass "I'm the King of Universal Knowledge" So does Morty!... so do a gazillion people!... Maybe we ALL had at some point of our lives... The Q is how much is it intended to take away( from )other's (rights) I am really sorry that you misunderstood my good intentions and I must have come across to you --for whatever reason-- in you or in me...who cares!..--that I wanted to hurt you! That was never the case!... just wanted to get you to look at "the Proverbial Elephant from a different angle. I do apologize from the bottom of my Heart that I un-intendedly hurt Whatever Part of your Being... (I personally believe I stepped on your Ego-Toes... :) !... You might disagree. That is an Issue ONLY for you & your own conscience to explore and nobody else's business! Things can be said and done in so many ways!... Are we all always ajour with the way we choose at any given time? I certainly could not say for sure in every instance. In many I can... because they are so ingrained in/to me already, but there are things I don't know for sure. The Joy frequency is quite wonderful: It "splashes" of energy! : ) 10 Nov 2009 @ 23:07 by mortimer : Definition of Scumbag; One who stoops below bigotry and hypocrisy. 11 Nov 2009 @ 00:01 by mortimer : No logic A-d Is flawed logic worse then no logic at all? It be really something if you could back up your stuff a-d. You sure you want to defend this Rishi scumbag. His luck run out a-d and I don't make the rules to the Universe. If you waiting for me to make a mistake, then go to the back of the line. There's a long line of people waiting kick me when I fall down. 11 Nov 2009 @ 18:33 by spells : Choosing to be.... I wrote this comment on Susannahbe's Random log. To see the thread, please go there. Perhaps the natives couldn't see the ships because they were on a different level of awareness, or a different plane. It was more than the mind, more than what you believe to see. So often we forget that there is more than the physical plane and places of a different plane (I don't want to refer to "higher" or "lower" planes) and will not see what is on another dimension. It may be perceived as good to only see beauty, joy and love however when the truth of the situation is ignored or denied it inevetably does nothing to change the condition. An example could be to compare it to a lesion of cancer on the skin. One could put a band aid over it and paint a beautiful picture on it, covering it up with beauty. This does nothing for the infestation beneath. It will cover it for a while, but the cause is not addressed and therefore, there is more possibility that it will grow and fester and not get better, although it may look quite beautiful. Sometimes destruction is necessary, however there are other ways to approach such things. One cannot ignore natural laws and principles. One such law is the law of inertia. In order to change the course of something one must exert equal or greater force to overcome it. If a few only see beauty and joy etc that may work to help them feel better. However if the force that they are working within is greater and heading in the other direction, this will do little or nothing to change anything. On a planet or in a place of "higher" consciousness where the force is more in the direction of joy etc, ignoring the gravity of the situation may be ok and help to keep things in a good direction. However, that is just not the case here on this planet with the human species. This is not my opinion or preference, but it just is. If this weren't true, then the people that do ignore the true situation and only see (or say they only see) beauty etc would make a difference and the trend would change. NOTHING has really changed in countless years. Looking at the cause of this de-evolutionry trend can help to change it's course. However whenever this is pointed out to almost anyone (no matter what the tone of the message) it is ignored or the topic is changed to a personal issue. I'm very curious why people don't even want to talk of such things. The only conclusion I can come up with is that they really don't care. Not to any depth.(that is the bottom line no matter what excuse or reason they come up with) It is more important to feel good about themselves, not change anything about their lifestyle or focus and keep their image in tact, no matter what that image is, and no matter what is really going on at large. I know that writing this is a waste of time. However, I felt it was necessary to say. You don't have to write back, because I can sense what your answers will be. I have yet to meet anyone that would even honestly discuss this, (without making it a personal issue) never mind take the required amount of necessary action to change it. So go ahead be random, believe what you will....however tell the animal, insect or plant (or all 3) that are going extinct in the next hour that this is the best way to be, tell the earth that is weakened because of our extremely wasteful lifestyles, that this is the way to be. Tell the starving people around the world, the child in Iraq or Afghanistan with burns and missing limbs, that this is the way to be. When we don't care as souls, you can be sure that in the next life or lives to come, you will be on the other side of the fence with those of better lives, not caring also. Yes, that is another natural law, the Law of Karma...cause and effect. 11 Nov 2009 @ 20:23 by mortimer : What is this noise? First, being Native American myself, I find that story ridiculous and offensive AND LACKING ANY FOUNDATION IN TRUTH. Second, what noise are you making now. If you offer utter lack of diplomacy then why should I be diplomatic. YOU IGNORE LOGIC AND DISRESPECT THE TRUTH! Convoluted and random! Perhaps your more random than you realize. If you lack diplomacy then why should ANYBODY be diplomatic with you. 12 Nov 2009 @ 14:18 by scotty : Hi Mort 'twas me who said that the natives couldn't see the ships .. sorry that this story offended you .. I believed it to be true. Seemed logical to me .. like If you go into a completely unfamiliar visual territory one can have trouble "seeing" what you see. I read that when prisoners of the Nazi death camps were after liberation, asked to draw a picture of the camp from memory they would draw a fairly accurate picture but it would often not include the smokestacks that came from the crematoriums. The stacks were prominent from all parts of the camp and it happened frequently enough to indicate a blocking out of something their mind wanted to deny. Perhaps the alien beings the explorers represented to the Native Americans were too much to process at one time, and an involuntary denial process cleared their minds of the ships in which they arrived. The story might not be true at all - but it's true enough that we can't always see things even alough they are there .. like honest politicians heheheh Anyway sorry and no hard feelings I hope ! **************************************************** hmm rethinking about it - if it were the case then it could be that the old worlders would have had a hard time seeing the natives and their villages too. I feel a touch of duh coming on ! Off to have a wee cuppa - care to join me :-) 12 Nov 2009 @ 14:19 by mortimer : number 8 & 9 "It is more important to feel good about themselves, not change anything about their lifestyle or focus and keep their image in tact, no matter what that image is, and no matter what is really going on at large. "~Spells 8) If your spiritual teacher tries to coach you to be not-judgmental or 'reputation is not important, run a fast as you can. 9) If your spiritual teacher encourages you to feel bad about yourself, run as fast as you can. In the cult atmosphere you are required to bend your self-image and compromise your values, you are encouraged to feel bad about yourself, you are dis-empowered and the long term leads to a deadly form of slavery. A good teacher would desire you feel good about yourself and encourage you to do the work and be proud. 12 Nov 2009 @ 15:41 by a-d : Sandi, the lesson that has been the most difficult for me to "get" is that I/ we really cannot REACH a person who is on a different frequency from us: "not-being-on- the-same-page".... SOMETIMES it is possible to break through, reach a person who is (temporarily) in the grips of the Mob (-energy)with some sarcasm, the Verbal LASER-like LIGHT, as sharp and to the point as an Artist's caricature cartoon drawing... but often times even that gets lost in the DARKNESS of the reigning Mob-MADNESS.... Spoke to Heidi last evening. She said --once again-- she is soooo much happier ever since she quit NCN. Also said; she has sooo much more time to actually be out there doing her part of the Hands-on living /creating a new better world for ALL, when not trying to beet LIFE into a DEAD Horse (or; all the dead horses on) NCN.... I myself have had my fill of this crapp here!.... Those who still need /enjoys eating some members shit can have it all!... : ) Sandi, Rishi, move on!... be FULLY in your tangible Community... see if you won't do much more good living (only) Hands -on... like Heidi and so many other Good /REAL/LIVING People already are!... just a thought...We know how to find each other when we want/need ....and we do not need to feel bad leaving the comatose self appointed Bigger-than-Life-ego-trippers behind, or into their own INDULGENCE of mutual admiration, patting each other on the shoulders scratching each others backs and what not... monkey see / monkey do! PS. your last comment here is a very accurate description of a lot of shit NCN-members stand for!--or don't..... But you & I already know it and those who need to know won't!... because it would interrupt too much with their cozy little universe of self-admiration... (I have given up trying to understand their madness!....a bully is a bully is a bully is a bully!... EVERY single/individual Bully is one building block in the Bigger Oppressor Body who has been terrorizing the Planet faaar too long already! Time to do the ONLY thing that will at least give the sick ones a CHANCE to heal: [link] 12 Nov 2009 @ 16:18 by mortimer : Dear A-d If I did not like the accommodations I would leave, I would not sit around bad mouthing the place. Who's the bully bad mouthing all on NCN. Ironically here its the same who say reputation is not important. Right now I am very grateful I found good teachers. They made it very clear that gossip and rumors are bad character. Good example of that would be exactly how you guys are bashing NCN with your gossip and rumors---you’re bitching & moaning about the accommodations. Perhaps nobody ever taught you better, perhaps you have no ears. Enforced humility, means your not to feel good about yourself. I perform in front of 300 to 800 people a week. That's not counting the 40,000 people I talk to on the radio for an hour each week. 12 Nov 2009 @ 17:21 by mortimer : Emotional art I have not mentioned the mirror-image yet but boy does the shoe fit. A-d and Spells have stroked Rishi so many times I could puke. "the comatose self appointed Bigger-than-Life-ego-trippers behind, or into their own INDULGENCE of mutual admiration, patting each other on the shoulders scratching each others backs and what not... monkey see / monkey do!"~a-d mirror-image When an argument drops out of the sky for no reason, flip it in the mirror and see if the shoe fits. 13 Nov 2009 @ 22:08 by a-d : Here is a page from a web-site posted by Scotty on her Blog: [link] and this (big) link is here: [link] Definitely worth reading, contemplating " ....... Freire argued that oppression and the struggle of liberation from oppression are both oppressing. Oppression, he contends, is necrophilic. “Indeed, the interests of the oppressors lie in ‘changing the consciousness of the oppressed, not the situation that oppresses them.’” To overcome the oppressor-oppressed dynamic, the oppressed must see themselves as agents of change. Revolution requires solidarity, and this, said Freire, is achieved through love — affirmation of one’s humanity. The act of rebellion by the oppressed is a gesture of love. The desire to be human saves oppressors from their own dehumanization caused by oppressing other humans. “It is only the oppressed who, by freeing themselves, can free their oppressors,” wrote Freire......" from a article on this link: From : [link] 24 Nov 2009 @ 09:29 by mortimer : linking the people who change the world "Well, tell me this....where is your respect for the purpose of this website? Likewise for the rest of you, going on and on and on endlessly about ego-concerns and personality issues...where is your respect for the purpose of this website? "~Rishi Where is your respect for the purpose of this website, have you read the front page. Nowhere does it say 'Save the Planet' or anything excessively elevated. 6 years and you guys missed that part. Also, when new member Joins guess what they see, description and the purpose of the site. I'm not going to quote it here, empower yourself and go check it out. Where is your respect for the purpose of this website? 24 Nov 2009 @ 09:45 by mortimer : These members you attacked These people you attacked, they respect the purpose. 24 Nov 2009 @ 17:06 by a-d : Sandi,Rishi.... suggestions for re-naming NCN to something that indeed would be more truthful with how NCN is working, & used by the most active members have been excercised here before!..... I know, coz I myself have suggested it at least three times! :-D and I know that other members --both before and after me-- have done the same!.... I also know that every time such a suggestion 's been done it was like stirring the hornets' nest!...and every person who did it, did it in a different style...(Rishi just happened to choose the most unfortunate "method" > Not until yesterday did I understand and see that R.indeed suggested the name change by attacking quite un-necessary Sus! For the longest time I thought R really meant all as a compliment ... and NOT as a Sarcasm (that) is also why Scotty's remark about sarcasm didn't really make sense in the context I saw allunfold!... I must have totally forgotten my Rose Colored Glasses of (Stupid Innosense/Gullibility ) on !....) (... Lots of hornets here on NCN when you dare to suggest a more appropriate name for all the most dominating style of usage of this Forum!...) This web-site ORIGINALLY really was the NEW CIVILIZATION NETWORK, but the guy who actually originally --again--, STARTED the Network, moved on in his life to other things and Flemming was kind enough to take on NCN, but in his tender care the navigation system etc became the most important parts to care for and Ming decided to let the synergy/ dissonance between members take care of the "activity"/ "Networking" aspect... as he himself told one time here,(or was it in a response letter in a private inquiry by me to him...forgot that part by now) ) Indeed he in the VERBAL Mission Statement / description of NCN's Purpose (under his care) will be "as such & such" !....of which NOT very much of THAT really fits under the first original "umbrella" /mission statement of the guy who started New Civilization NETWORK/ING and under whose care the website actually WAS devoted to just that: New Civ Networking --all according to members who've been here under both Administrations! Strong point of Ming's care is this excellent ease in navigation and other such technical aspects, which you will NOT find ANYWHERE on ANY other web-site open for public to enter! Rishi, you MUST know this!...donchaa??? and THIS is --I'm pretty sure , what keeps YOU & your WorldMindSoc. here too, eh? ;) But as far as networking only with members who already seen (so & so much of ) "The Light"( which then would need to be defined in a new/ differently-worded Mission Statement)... NO... that is NOT the case! ... even though I must say; 99% of all members here today ARE working --each within their own Understanding of "how-to"-- FOR a New Better World to become possible! HAPPY THANKSGIVING & BIIIG HUGS to ALL here on NCN! from A-d 24 Nov 2009 @ 18:38 by scotty : I'm grateful for NCN The name New Civilisation Network suits me down to the ground ! Since I first came here (about nine years ago ) my 'civilisation' has indeed been transformed ... so it works for me ;-) Never think to thank MIng for all that he offers us here - for FREE !Thankyou so much Flemming :-) I'm often inclined to think that if it doesn't suit people why do they stay ? If they stay because the site works well for them - be grateful ! Gratitude !! 24 Nov 2009 @ 18:46 by susannahbe : Just now . . . . . . from the front page of The New Civilisation Website. Creativity - Nature - Art - Openness - Optimism - Emergence - Science - Love - New Thinking - Futurism - Evolution - Beauty - Synergy - Sharing - Sustainability - Tolerance - Humanity - Truth - Inventions - Revolution - Dialogue - Consciousness - Ideas - Integrity - Transformation - Renaissance - Freedom - Projects - Diversity - Vision - Community - Alternatives - Whole Systems - Peace - Unity . 24 Nov 2009 @ 19:02 by mortimer : Excuse me A-d Can I talk to Rishi please. He asked a question and I answered. It's a wee bit more than just suggesting a new name. It's about hypocrisy, the world mind society says one thing and do another. It's about interlopers trying to change the purpose of the site. It's about respecting the truth. "24 Nov 2009 @ 09:29 by mortimer : linking the people who change the world "Well, tell me this....where is your respect for the purpose of this website? Likewise for the rest of you, going on and on and on endlessly about ego-concerns and personality issues...where is your respect for the purpose of this website? "~Rishi Where is your respect for the purpose of this website, have you read the front page. Nowhere does it say 'Save the Planet' or anything excessively elevated. 6 years and you guys missed that part. Also, when new member Joins guess what they see, description and the purpose of the site. I'm not going to quote it here, empower yourself and go check it out. Where is your respect for the purpose of this website? 24 Nov 2009 @ 09:45 by mortimer : These members you attacked These people you attacked, they respect the purpose. 24 Nov 2009 @ 20:31 by a-d : Obviously I'm not tje only DENSE person here!...; ) Morty, Feel free to chat with rishi!...stop making it as if somehow caused /forced by me! and mostly:TRY TO LEARN TO READ THINGS MORE CORRECTLY!,,, STOP TWISTING, things, just to fit your AGENDAS of WHO you ACCEPT today as your BEST BUDDIES IN the whole world! (tomorrow those buddies -if they don't continue to lick your boots (you're nothing but another "Nora" they will quickly drop out of your List of "My FAVORITES Today"! Did you not see that I adressed Sandi & Rishi!?!? not you (your EGO is BIGGER THAN LIFE!...take it down a few nothces... would really serve you much more! I see what you go for and I have the right to see YOU in the light/way you DO present yourself and I don't like it at all, so you just back off! :o I'm sick & tired of you and your obnoxiousness... attention seeking /DEMANDING parasite! 24 Nov 2009 @ 20:45 by susannahbe : a-d "TRY TO LEARN TO READ THINGS MORE CORRECTLY!,,, STOP TWISTING, things, just to fit your AGENDAS of WHO you ACCEPT today as your BEST BUDDIES IN the whole world" - perhaps a good piece of advice for you to take back to yourself a-d ? - judging from the comments from you throughout the discussion above. 24 Nov 2009 @ 20:54 by scotty : Mirror mirror on the wall who's the greatest offender of all ?? Once read somewhere that being quick to take offence was even worse than being offensive ... down in my toes I just knew the truth of it ! I don’t feel offended by justified criticism... hmm might not like it mind but justified criticism doesn't do much for anyone unless it's backed up with constructive criticism - which is helpful and sometimes even welcome ! I think it is actually offensive "to take offence"... coz in order to do this you have to project bad motive onto the "offendee".... mirror mirror etc etc etc ( I really believe some people take offence quite 'willingingly' and that criticising for it's own sake SUCKS )  24 Nov 2009 @ 21:51 by mortimer : Yes indeedy read more clearly "TRY TO LEARN TO READ THINGS MORE CORRECTLY!,,, STOP TWISTING"~A-d Read what you said. Twisted. You reduced the peoples voice down to "hornets", attempted to marginalize the peoples. "your EGO is BIGGER THAN LIFE!"~ A-d mirror-image [link] I got news for you A-d. Your not going to marginalize this Native American. 9 Dec 2009 @ 06:47 by susannahbe : A question for Spells Sandi, time has passed and I am still puzzled. I would be grateful if you would answer one question for me. Why did you post this entry on your public newslog? Thank you Respectfully Susannah Other entries in Information 22 Aug 2006 @ 18:44: Prayer for a Good Death 8 May 2005 @ 18:48: Happy Mother-Killers' Day 29 Aug 2004 @ 23:10: Breakup Of The North Pole 21 Apr 2004 @ 15:27: Being Dislike and/or Being Misunderstood 13 Apr 2004 @ 19:09: Reiki 13 Apr 2004 @ 08:09: Photos of Iraqi children killed 19 Jan 2004 @ 12:11: Bits of info.... 24 Dec 2003 @ 11:25: A Holiday Message for hope, peace and freedom..... 10 Oct 2003 @ 12:54: Conversation on Spiritual Community 1 Oct 2003 @ 19:09: Right Action (A conversation)
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