Quidnovi: Dreamers and Doers    
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picture8 Sep 2002 @ 11:55, by Quidnovi

"If I had any learning
Of a highway wide and fit,
Would I lose it at each turning?
Yet look at people spurning
Natural use of it!"
---The Way of Life according to Lao Tzu

Imagine thoughts in the mind like so many matchsticks,
thoughts travelling along these little paths:

1.

I
I
I
I

Vertical thinking/ Linear path (if/then)/ One Mindedness
Also used by highly focused thinkers (and many political activists---we need them) This is ALSO something that NCN is trying to transcend.

2.
___
___
___
___

Lateral thinking/ Parallel formation (Alternate paths)
Also used by analogical thinkers.

3.
..__
/......\
\.__./

Schizoid formation/ Thought going in circle (leading nowhere)
Can sometimes help a person come to terms with some personal issue.
(Hey! THIS IS IT!!! This is what most of the comments I read today reminded me of!)

4.

_\./_
../.\

Creative formation/divergent thoughts radiating out from a common center

5.

— I I I —

Intuitive formation/ A sudden jump to a conclusion
(Someone once said that the secret of walking on water is to know where the stones are. Sometimes you need to wade through the river first to find out where the stones are.)

The matchstick analogy is just that---an analogy. And like all analogies it doesn't have the pretension of presenting an accurate technical analysis of events at the "process" level. Matchsticks just like words are no more than useful descriptive images.

Am I speaking for everyone, here, when I say that we could all do with a lot MORE with patterns 2, 4 and 5 and a lot LESS with pattern number 3???

Is it just me, or are some of the debates that we've been having starting to look like some of the pointless disputes theologians used to have about the Sex of the Angels? The story has it that such disputes were carried inside the walls of the besieged city of Constantinople, as the city was about to fall. At the core of the dome of the Basilica, the story goes, emotions were at their peak, arguments flaring all about, not about the defense of the city, but about the sex of the angels! This is just a story of course:-) After all who would seriously believe that anyone in their right mind could spent so much energy at such an unpropitious time on such an abstract a dispute rather than on the more pressing and very present matters challenging them ITRW? I wonder…

And why do I get the feeling that while we are all fretting loudly about the petty bickering, most of us, however, do revel into it despite our claims to the contrary. I mean, come on, have you taken a good look lately as to what kind of exchanges tends to elicit the longest string of comments.

Conversations do tend to go in circle as participants get tangled up in personal issues and/or become more interested in listening to themselves talk than they are in resolving issues or in taking actions either here at NCN or ITRW. I do not mean to be "pontificating" about this as I am myself not immune to such temptations. Something about living in a glass house, I suppose :-) I do not care to speculate as to whether some of us live under a cabbage leaf, or not, either, for that matter :-) I believe it is Rivarol who once said, "Of every ten persons who talk about you, nine will say something bad, and the tenth will say something good in a bad way." He also said "Ideas are a capital that bears interest only in the hands of talents." And I think that is essentially what Shakti_ma was driving at when she referred to NCN as a "container."

Now, what of the content?

"There is a need for dreamers who can think and thinkers who can dream. The answer will not be a neatly packaged, custom-built project. It will be a new way of looking at things."
---Ignacio Ramonet

The problem with dreamers and thinkers is that they also are driven by strange passions and weird personality quirks.

"The fabulous freaks are leaving town
They are driven by strange desire
Unseen by the human eye"
---Dead Can Dance, "The Carnival is Over"

Bear with me, as I just put some more matchsticks together, here:

- Paul Torrance (1972) unearthed some research pointing to a correlation between measure of belief in ESP and scores on some creativity tests. Torrance (1962) also listed "attracted to the mysterious" as a trait of creative individuals.

- Gardner Murphy (then president of the American Psychological Association) had written, at least two articles (1963, 1966) relating creativity to parapsychology. In essence these articles inferred that a number of exceedingly creative people (i.e. Mark Twain, Robert Schumann, Goethe,…) had reported psychical happenings. He proposed that creativity and paranormal capability would be expected to occur together, claiming that both are rooted in the unconscious, and that creative people are quite in touch with their unconscious selves.

- Kazimierz Dabrowski (1902 - 1980), a Polish Psychologist and Psychiatrist developed the Theory of Positive Disintegration which recognizes two kinds of psychic development: one taking place in conformity to the normal laws of development of the human species and to the biological cycle of life, and, another, which takes an accelerated form and transcends the cycle of biological transformation and even social conditioning. According to Dabrowsky (1972), "Intense psychoneurotic processes are especially characteristic of accelerated development in its course towards the formation of personality. Accelerated psychic development is actually impossible without transition through processes of nervousness and psychoneuroses, without external and internal conflicts, without maladjustment to actual conditions in order to achieve adjustment to a higher level of values (to what 'ought to be'), and without conflicts with lower level realities as a result of spontaneous or deliberate choice to strengthen the bond with reality of higher level." It is in this second kind of psychic development that we usually observe unusual abilities, emotional richness and depth as well as an inclination to psychoneurosis (!) The individuals who manifest the second kind of development are from an early age difficult, frequently maladjusted, talented, experiencing serious developmental crisis and show a tendency towards psychic hyperexitability.

Hmmm...a lot of things to think about here! Just like the matchsticks, they are but just maps of territories about which, all things considered, we do not have many accurate information. So just like matchsticks, I am lighting them up, one after another, hoping the flame will catch at some draft pointing to some opening in the cavern, some unexpected turn of the road, some new interesting angle.

I think many here at NCN will recognize themselves and others in that further elaboration on Kazimierz Dabrowski's theory:

"The idealized self is consciously constructed based on both emotional and cognitive foundations. Emotion and cognition become integrated and are reflected in a new approach to life---feelings direct and shape ideas, goals and ideals, and one's ideals work to express one's feelings. A harmony of thought, emotion and action eliminates internal conflict. Often a person's external focus shifts to 'making the world a better place.' "

Let's light another match:

"The real issue is not whether two and two make four or whether two and two make five, but whether life advances by men who love words or by men who love living."---and (@#%*!) I just can't remember the author of that one right now.

Shakti_ma reached into her pockets and found some matchsticks of her own, there, and she just lighted one (I am assuming as I write this that we all have received her message from the virtual Welcome Lounge for Newbie by now.) I do not care where this match comes from; it could come from her witch-hat ;-) for all I care. Let's just not be too prompt in blowing out the flickering flame (or anyone else's flame.) Life is the affair of the living. If you are alive, live! If you are dead, on the other hand, why concern yourself with the affairs of the livings?


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8 Sep 2002 @ 20:22 by finny : Question?
Is this a long winded and intellectual way of saying that enough of the petty disputes and lets get busy with the real work?  


9 Sep 2002 @ 00:16 by jazzolog : I Volunteer
I'll certainly do my part to shut up about problems I see---especially if I get to witness the busyness of real work that Finny promises. It has been difficult to lose major friends at NCN, because of (according to them) features and frustrations of the site. Clearly we prefer to laugh and play than worry a wolf might blow down the house of sticks. I apologize for my part in diverting the main ethos and energy.  


9 Sep 2002 @ 13:30 by finny : Promises Promises
Richard, did I promise anything?  


9 Sep 2002 @ 14:20 by quidnovi : Eye of the Beholder
My! Such caution on your part, Finny ;-) Hmmm...Richard can be tricky that way (that's what makes him so endearing to me.)

YOUR QUESTION:
"Is this a long winded and intellectual way of saying that enough of the petty disputes and lets get busy with the real work?"

ANSWER:
No, No, No, No, No, No, Finny, that would be "pontificating" and I've been trying so hard not to do that :-) But you're right about the long-winded part. Could be because I've always preferred writing in a non-linear, multi-layered fashion---my entries mean different things to different people---it all depends on how one looks at them and on WHO is doing the looking, of course :-) (Has anyone, yet noticed, for example, that the picture I have chosen for this post is a card from the Tarot?) But you are right, here, Finny (interesting what "you" saw) in some way I suppose that I 've indeed been trying to reinforce the essence of Shakti_ma's "Do your Own Thing" message. You know, NCN is a tool, use it, live and let live, that kind of stuff. (I guess this one was not one of my best entries.) Note to myself: remember and try to be subtler in the future ;-) Thanks for the question!  



9 Sep 2002 @ 14:50 by quidnovi : Voluntering
Hey, Richard, you've done that already. It's crystal clear to me that you voluntered a long time ago, probably the very first day you joined NCN (the sincerity of your commitment is the first thing I felt about you, and the reason why I consider you a friend.)
Tolstoy, once, compared Man to a River (I can tell Finny is loving the turn my comment is taking already;-) Tolstoy commented that one could never for sure predict what course either one would take in the future. He also felt that it was that precisely which made the greatness of Life. I feel that we, at NCN, have been becoming too trapped, too ensconced, in some of the roles we have chosen for ourselves---or that life has chosen for us (depending on one's beliefs in the matter.) I don't know, maybe we all ought to swap roles for a while and see what happen :-) Anyway, as far as I am concerned, your critical mind is NOT an issue, Richard---not with me anyway. Though, you know, there are some things that I don't buy. I have never bought it, for example, not for one second, that you are "old", "little" and vanquished---and neither should you, my friend---and truth is I don't really believe you do (you wouldn't be here with the rest of us if you did)!
As a child I used to play a game: I would hang upside down from the top of a ladder and would look up at the sky pretending that if I did let go of the ladder I would start falling UPWARD (Is that Finny I hear sighing? ;-) I never did let go, of course (contrarily to the popular rumor that surely there must have been one point in my life when I must have fallen on my head.) I never did let go, but NCN is a place where one can do so safely. Who knows, maybe we'll all start falling upward, or maybe we'll all come down crashing on our heads, but, hey, either way, what a ride, huh?! I don't know, methinks the house of sticks has legs, Richard---just like the legendary hut of {link:http://www.oldrussia.net/baba.html|Baba Yaga} (oh no, another witch ;-) I heard you are somewhat of a Wizard yourself, Richard...Any incantations up your sleeves?  



10 Sep 2002 @ 02:20 by jazzolog : Falling Up the Rungs
Or ringing in the New. Or bringing in the sheaves. Or wringing my hands...or someone's neck. All this upsy-downsy has me hazier than normal. Thank you for what you have to say, gentlemen. However, there really is a question, in my mind anyway, as to whether I still am here. I'm certainly no longer "here" with the naive commitment of the newbie I once was. And John, I do think the invitation "let's get busy" infers a promise. But then, I always thought NCN had promise too.  


10 Sep 2002 @ 17:44 by quidnovi : Being Here
"I think one of the most important facets overlooked about aesthetic is the room it gives you for interaction and interplay.  The most attractive and enticing of things is that which doesn't thrust itself in your face, but lets you become actively interested.  This is why secrecy works.  The things that repel me are the things flyered and advertised and marketed with the intention of wanting attention.  The truly great things are kept hidden and secret.  This is the true definition of the "occult".  It lets {link:http://www.fusionanomaly.net/imagination.html|imagination} breathe!"---- @Om (9/2/00)  


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