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picture 31 Jan 2003 @ 15:23, by Flemming Funch

Most of our societies are based on the "rule of law". Which works out to be about the opposite of how I think things should be. The rule of law is essentially that some rules are written down and agreed upon, and everybody will be equally forced to follow the rules. That is usually presented as a reasonable alternative to everybody just doing whatever they feel like, which would be perceived as a chaotic anarchy.

The problem is that lawmakers don't know how to write down principles of social behavior, or they're really just trying to enforce their own moral biases on everybody, so they end up writing huge volumes of detailed rules about how people are supposed to behave or not behave. And invariably they leave a lot open to interpretation, and they forget to think about many contexts where those behaviors aren't necessarily what works, and they end up with a self-contradictory mess. Which makes it a good business to be a lawyer, and those people who can afford more lawyers than others would tend to be more able to get what they want.

Now, the people who actually enforce laws will tend to hide behind the word of the law, and will tend to have the attitude that they're just carrying out the law, or they're just following orders. In other words, they're not responsible. That is by design, by the division of the powers of government. But it is also what usually turns governments into such unfeeling monsters. Lawmakers can sit in confortable chairs and make rules, without having to soil their hands with involvement in the actual circumstances where those laws might or might not work. Police forces will carry out the laws, using force, potentially lethal force. Nobody's really responsible. Different people make the laws than who interpret them than who carry them out.

There's a lot to say about all of this. My first point, however, is that personal responsibility would be a better fundamental principle than would institutionalized irresponsibility. In other words, if the police officer stops you for speeding, or for taking too long zipping up your pants in the public bathroom, he'd better be able to defend why that was the right thing to do right then. Not whether the law told him so or not, but why it served a useful purpose right then and there. Judges who condemn people need to be thoroughly exposed to that which they condemn them to. I.e. attend their executions, or visit them in prison. And politicians should have to face all of that, to experience on their own skin the consequences of their laws. That would be a good first step.

What really ought to change is the inherent insanity in making volumes of laws that are just 'good ideas' but that really don't work in all circumstances in real life. A law says that certain things ALWAYS must be a certain way, and that this will be enforced. Somebody makes a law that says 'nobody's allowed to drive faster than 55mph'. Might sound like a good idea, as it sounds more safe, and it would save gasoline. But then later on somebody thinks 'what about the police or firetrucks?' and maybe they change the law to have an exception for police or firetrucks, or maybe everybody implicitly agrees that it of course wouldn't apply to them. Why not? Any law that has any kind of exceptions is a bad law. What about if I have a medical emergency and need to get to the hospital? What if I drive 75mph and nobody else is around for miles? What if there is some urgent need that you didn't think of spelling out in the law? Its the law that is bad. What it is really trying to accomplish is that people are safe while driving, but it tries to do it by applying the same numbers to everybody. What would rather be needed would be a guideline, a general principle, and some people to carry it out who actually would be responsible for their own choices. There should be nothing to hide behind.

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31 Jan 2003 @ 15:29 by martha : completely agree
You have made some excellent points ming. What would the lawyers do if suddenly everyone became honest, responsible individuals willing to own up to mis-takes? Don't think we would need rules or a government but I guess I'm getting way way ahead of myself.  

9 Apr 2009 @ 09:39 by Lucas Negroni @ : Lack of Personal Responsibility.
This is more of a request and less of a comment. Lack of personal responsibility is everywhere, people no longer learn from there mistakes, with over baring laws. Unfortunalty, this has spilt over into every aspect of life, even "fun places" where we should be able to escape from the reality of life. I have Recently started playing Runescape an MMORPG.
(url: game has 13 ingame rules, many of which are directly related to in game behavior, keeping in mind this is a game, I'll state a couple of there rules. "Rule 1 - Offensive Language
You must not use any language which is offensive, racist or obscene." "Rule 9 - Encouraging Others to break Rules
You must not encourage others to break any of the RuneScape rules." Jagex LTD, the makers of Runescape claim, it's a public game, yet infringe upon civil liberties such as freedom of speech? Anyway, I'm babbling to much, let me continue, I need help combating the whole ideology of "Personal responsibility versus Law"... I am in way over my head, I have attempted this and failed, I need someone with more complexity, and knowledge then myself to aid me. "The overbearing hypocritical Law Nuts" Them being both the players and JaGeX LTD, are far to much for me. Is there anyway you can help me? or is this just a fight I can't win?  

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