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3 Nov 2005 @ 12:31, by Enocia Joseph

Every year on November the 5th, British people celebrate Guy Fawkes/Bonfire Night to commemorate the day when Guy Fawkes and his co-conspirators were captured, which prevented them from blowing up the Houses of Parliament.

The celebration involves burning of effigies and lots of firework displays which can be a lot of fun. It does get annoying when people continue to set off bangers weeks before and after the event.

At another forum yesterday, someone said, in jest, that going to war was not a bad thing; mankind wouldn't have developed, or continue to develop, those wonderful weapons of mass destruction if there were no wars. My friend makes a good point of course. Wars arise out of the need for control. Underlying the need for control is the belief that the other is one's enemy. How do you get rid of your enemy? Destroy them? How? Create weapons of destruction.

To keep the delusion going you have to come up with a good rationale. Some people argue that in order to have peace you must go to war. Let's try and make sense of this. The One in all that is Life inspires people to create weapons of mass destruction so they can destroy one another to achieve peace? How can anyone deprive another of life when life is eternal? The idea is preposterous.

Another rationale is you are fighting a "holy war" on God's behalf. Naturally, God is on the side of the good and the evil ones have to be annihilated. The Old Testament in the Bible is full of stories of the Chosen Ones doing battle against sinners. We also see this battle of good over evil being perpetuated in modern times.

How can a God that is everywhere present support people to fight a war? I would imagine God stays well clear of human delusions. On the other hand, God is right there with us in our delusions.

Humanity continues to fight battles, commemorate war heroes and events, and denigrate villains. Someone obviously benefits from these commemorations. Think about the billions of Pounds blown up every year to celebrate Bonfire Night. Who gets the profits? The government for one. Is it any wonder Guy Fawkes wanted to blow the Houses of Parliament to Kingdom Come?

If you can't destroy them join them, right? I wonder if there is a local bonfire event I could attend?

Happy Guy Fawkes!



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4 Nov 2005 @ 11:07 by vibrani : A question
how do you feel about WWII - and finally getting rid of Hitler? Was that a justifed move of war? YES!  

4 Nov 2005 @ 18:26 by bushman : And
I'd like to know why this Guy Fawkes and his merry men wanted to blow up the parlament? Did they have a good reason to do so? Was it because parlament was corupt to the point that thier material buildings were more important to them than the people that suported them? Kind of like now? Is the celebration of it the only victory over those that would revolt over a corupt government, and did this happen before or after we americans kicked your butts out of north america? You guys still ticketing people for running french fry oil in your cars? I mean prince charles strait out said that burning french fry oil in your car was unpatriotic. Now is that an intelegent way to run a country? :}  

5 Nov 2005 @ 11:14 by Enocia @ : A question
Hey Vibrani,

Good question. Depends where you're coming from. If you see life purely from a human perspective the war happened, and getting rid of Hitler was justified; on the other hand, when you know only the One exists, there have never been any wars. Wars are like having a nightmare that can feel so real until you wake up and realise you've been dreaming.

Thanks for asking.  

5 Nov 2005 @ 11:17 by Enocia @ : Bushman
Your comments made me giggle. You Americans think you kicked our butts, just like you think you rule the world. You are sooooo deluded! "Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves!" :-)  

5 Nov 2005 @ 11:20 by Enocia @ : ps: Bushman
Funny Quote of the Day:
"You want a friend in Washington? Get a dog." Harry S. Truman


5 Nov 2005 @ 18:16 by bushman : :}
Well I have to agree, I know the worlds Navies are usualy the survivors, I like to think Noha was a Navy man. I think patriotisim is over rated. But really it's not our fault we think the things we do, the majority of us are brain washed in our public schools to think this way, at a very young age, when childeren at such a young and gulable age, don't know any better. My view is that insanity runs deep in all our world goverments, it does us no good by saying, "If you can't beat them, join them". Come on joe, your government sealed the info on Diannas death for 70 years, why the hell would they do that? Why would your government force your people to run petrol in thier cars? We both have insane greedy people running our countries. Face it, our Armies and Navies and Air forces, all deffend corprate intrests, and not the people/slaves. God forbid we let China get your oil. :}
P.S. I do have family members in the government here in the USA, I also have family that owns almost half of Argentina, so my grandpas brother has told me. On top of that they are Masons and Shriners. I didn't join them and they are blood. What makes you think I would back any government policy by them, if you happen to think that of me. As well my moms family did come over on the Mayflower, and she does carry royal blood. And a history of arranged marriages on both sides. Obviously a purpose and a plan to it all, just not mine. Want to check it out, if you intrested? My grandpa had his last name changed when he became a citizen of the USA, his last name was Marrashlion. And its intresting that a British army guy, saved my grandma from certine death in 1914, by rolling her up in a carpet and stowing her on a ship to the USA, then arranged in marriage to my grandpa, she was only 15, her mom was the decan of some orthodox church in Hajin Armenia. Just how far back does Briten keep info? I'd be intrested to find out additional info, since the grand parents are long dead now. :}  

5 Nov 2005 @ 18:54 by vibrani : Enocia
We Americans don't "think" we rule the world - we KNOW we do! lololol That's very funny...we think we rule the world and kicked your butts. No - that's not in the mind of most Americans. I'm a writer who has written for years about what I think can be achieved one day - that when everyone realizes they are all from the same Source, contain the same stuff inside, basically another aspects of ourselves, and be with that Source, we would not have a need to hurt each other because we're only hurting ourselves. We're still all dealing with a lot of garbage at the present time, though.

WWII wasn't hypothetical.  

7 Nov 2005 @ 13:57 by enocia @ : A Disclaimer - bushman and vibrani
As a first generation Brit, I can safely say, whatever the Brits have done to you Yanks have nothing to do with me. Hahaha! They did colonise part of Africa too, Sierra Leone was under the British, remember?

Phew! What a get-out clause!

And vibrani, I hear you about us all being of one Source. I wrote a piece today where I compared the One to a website. :-)

Cheers my jingoistic friends.

7 Nov 2005 @ 19:00 by bushman : Indeed :}
Ya, that all happened ww1, I'm just intrested in how much of the info we americans have access to, is revisionist history.  

8 Nov 2005 @ 10:20 by Enocia @ : Jingoism
[[...I'm just intrested in how much of the info we americans have access to, is revisionist history.]]

Of course it is revisionist history! Your jingoist attitude could not possibly allow for Truth. Then again, you have been worthy students. Where would you be without the Brits? lol  

10 Nov 2005 @ 01:02 by bushman : Hmm
Well, it is obvious things would be very different, I might have been born in the middle east someplace, so I can thank the brits for letting our founding fathers take control, but as I do know we still operate under the BAR, or law, rules writen in such a way as to befussel the average joe, and an economy set in such a way as to force most to break even at the end of a month, and now after all we learned, all any world leaders want to do is to control life itself, but one day my friend, we will wake up, Rome will be destroyed never to be rebuilt again. I promise we won't be celebrating it's destruction every year nor mourning it. I have a hard time dealing with patriotisim born from lies, it might be for the good of all to give them only the truth, and if the truth kills them so be it.  

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