Toward a Unified Metaphysical Understanding: Ask Yourself This    
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2008-06-21, by John Ringland

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Is there a world beyond the mind?

Your body, other people, places, objects, planet Earth, the physical universe, the sciences, the perennial wisdom, all the traditions old and new and the whole of history and future hopes, do you not experience them or come to know of them only through the mind? Could you ever know these things other than through the mind? You may believe there is a world beyond the mind or someone or some text may say there is, but that belief, person and text, are they not only experienced through the mind? If you realised who you truly are here and now, would the contents of the mind still enthral you?

Without understanding the mind can you truly understand anything?

If you unconsciously assume that there is a world beyond the mind and you also unconsciously assume that you are an individual being within that world. Given these assumptions, questions such as those above cannot be seen as anything other than solipsism.

But what if there is no world beyond the mind and you are not the worldly being that you have assumed that you are? What if there is only an unconsciously intersubjective co-creation of a collective 'dream' that gives rise to occasions of experience by seemingly individual, ego-oriented conscious minds? Naïve realism leads us to assume the unequivocal reality of the world that is portrayed by the contents of the mind, but if we do away with this naïve assumption and remain truly sceptical, what can we know about the world? The most direct way is to come to know yourself because that is the only part of reality that you have direct access to. Hence “Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakes.” (Carl Jung). This is the path of yoga and all forms of mysticism. But there are other approaches...

Empiricism keeps us bound by naïve realism because it assumes (against overwhelming evidence) that the objects of sense perception are the only valid foundation for science. But there are other ways, which are entirely non-empiricist, they are rationalist.

Quantum physics is by far the most accurate science ever developed that can, for example, calculate the properties of an electron from first principles with no input from empirical data whatsoever. According to quantum physics the fundamental level of reality can best be modelled by the dynamics of wave functions, which are waves of the square root of probabilities of every possible state of being for a system. It is only upon an observation that the wave function collapses to produce a single classical observable state, which is then experienced as the properties of the system. There are no physical processes involved, they are not physical waves propagating in some unknown medium, they are waves of pure information that only later result in the production of occasions of experience.

“Max Born pointed out something quite astonishing: the simple interference of these quantum waves did not describe the observed behaviors; instead, the waves had to be interfered and the mathematical results of the interference had to be further manipulated (by "squaring" them, i.e., by multiplying the results by themselves) in order to achieve the final probability characteristic of all quantum events. It is a two-step process, the end result of which requires mathematical manipulation. The process can not be duplicated by waves alone, but only by calculations based on numbers [generalised information] which cycled in the manner of waves... as far as Feynman or anybody else could tell, the underlying process itself was nothing more than calculation... The two-step procedure of the Schrodinger equation and the Feynman system may be impossible to duplicate with physical systems, but for the computer it is trivial.” (Ross Rhodes)

If quantum physics is taken seriously then the classical universe, with its objects in space and time that have definite properties, is a construct of occasions of experience, which are interpreted by the mind and woven into a life story that revolves around a fictional entity called 'I' or 'me'. There is something that is real but that reality is unified, all-pervading, non-material, non-local, quantum, information theoretic and panprotoexperiential. There is no 'matter' and nothing is 'inert' because there is no world of objects in space and time, which objectively exists beyond our experiential life stories. The naïvety of dualism fades and the non-dual reality emerges, like the stars when the sun goes down.

Likewise, in the VR analogy there is no world beyond the character's AI minds, the world that they experience is a construct of occasions of experience, which are interpreted by the mind and woven into a life story that revolves around a fictional entity called 'I' or 'me'. There is something that is real but that reality is unified, all-pervading, non-material, non-local, quantum, information theoretic and panprotoexperiential. There is no 'matter' and nothing is 'inert' because there is no world of objects in space and time, which objectively exists beyond their experiential life stories. The naïvety of dualism fades and the non-dual reality emerges, like the stars when the sun goes down.

All non-naive realist enquiries, whether subjective (mystic) or rationalist lead to the same clear and unequivocal conclusion about the nature of reality. The evidence is overwhelming but the conclusion is mind boggling for a naïve realist.

Whilst the dream is pleasant there is unconscious attachment to its continuation but when it becomes a nightmare and the nightmare reaches its climax the dreamer awakens and realises what they really are, what the 'world' really is, what is really happening and what can and should be done in reality.

These issues point at the fundamental difference between dualism and non-dualism, between dvaita and advaita Vedanta, between knowledge and wisdom, between popular-religion and mysticism, between naive realism and realism and between the outgoing scientific paradigm and the emerging scientific paradigm.

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21 Jun 2008 @ 11:55 by Glistening Deepwater @124.185.59.103 : Understanding the Nature of Reality
I have just come across an interesting site that offers much in the way of support for those seeking to understand the Nature of Reality link
It will take an act of will on the part of the genuine seeker to overcome their naive ideas of themselves and the 'world', sites such as this one and the one linked to here will go a long way toward helping us all.

Thank you John for all your encouragement and support :)

Your friend G D  



24 Jun 2008 @ 07:52 by anandavala : Nature of Reality
Thanks Glisten!

This site is talking about essentially the same things as this blog. Thanks for connecting these dots!

Below is a quote from their intro page, its saying essentially the same things as this blog, only in a different manner...

Are you dissatisfied by the incomplete and frequently contradictory answers to these questions provided by the sources of religion and materialist science and therefore looking for a different approach to understanding life, the world and its problems?

As Albert Einstein once said, "A problem cannot be solved using the same thoughts or approach which caused it in the first place."

The new approach you now need to take is to first understand what reality really is.

The world that seems so solid and separate from you has been shown by quantum physics to be a trick of the senses.

Quantum physics can also show that the apparent 'materiality' of the world is no more 'real' than a dream-image; that ‘consciousness’ is a vital element in understanding the true nature of reality.

A number of eminent physics professors have stated quite clearly that ‘matter’, ‘energy’ and ‘consciousness’ are the same thing.

Do not make the mistake of thinking that these concepts just belong in the domain of scientific theory, because they have dramatic consequences for your life.

The consequences are so far-reaching that they require you to reassess everything you thought you knew about yourself and your world.

You now have a choice; you can remain fearful and worried or you can discover the true nature of reality and learn to live without fear.

Understanding the true nature of reality will completely change your view of who you think you are and what life really is; it will provide you with the radically new approach required to understand and solve your personal and world problems.

The true nature of reality is stranger than you can imagine.  



24 Jun 2008 @ 11:14 by anandavala : NoR maybe ok as introduction but...
I registered for the NoR website mentioned above and was rather underwhelmed. They mention some of the right subjects, quantum physics, fallibility of perception and so on. But they are focused on getting you into a course that costs money and they use a very naive realist marketing spiel. The free section contains very little information and the whole thing just doesn't feel right. But for those who like their truth heavily watered down and with a price tag it might be just your thing.  


24 Jun 2008 @ 11:51 by Deepwater @124.186.13.189 : Thanks
I appreciate you looking into that for me, it is a pity about the old paradigm approach there...Hopefully it serves to help folk start asking questions anyway.  


11 Jul 2008 @ 08:05 by anandavala : NoR looks better upon closer inspection
In their marketing spiel they use some really naive realist inducements to get people involved but I've been subscribed to their free email newsletter and they are putting out some good information.

It is still all aimed at getting you into the paying course - but in their ideas they seem to be right on track! The course might be worth taking... I'll keep reading their free emails to see where these go and give an another update later...  



15 Jul 2008 @ 10:38 by anandavala : NoR looks very interesting
I think I now see were NoR is coming from. Their marketing spiel is just a façade and a lot of people can't value something unless they pay for it. But once people get into the ideas they are right on the mark - Bravo NoR :)  


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