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picture5 Aug 2008 @ 19:24, by Richard Carlson

Anything more than the truth would be too much.

---Robert Frost

River whispering over the stones,
Sunlight streaming through frozen pines.
In this still pool, in this falling light,
Zen conquers the dragon of delusion.

---Li Po

The merit of (the rooster's call) is in its freedom from all plaintiveness. The singer can easily move us to tears or laughter, but where is he who can excite in us a pure morning joy? When, in doleful dumps, breaking the awful stillness of our wooden sidewalk on a Sunday, or, perchance, a watcher in the house of mourning, I hear a cockerel crow far or near, I think to myself, "There is one of us well, at any rate"---and with a sudden rush return to my senses.

---Henry David Thoreau

This is Naomi Wolf, born in San Francisco in 1962. She was an undergraduate at Yale, then did graduate work at New College, Oxford, as a Rhodes Scholar. The Beauty Myth, her first book, was an international bestseller. She followed that with Fire With Fire: The New Female Power and How It Will Change The 21st Century, published by Random House in 1993, and Promiscuities: The Secret Struggle for Womanhood, published in 1997. Misconceptions, released in 2001, is a powerful and passionate critique of pregnancy and birth in America. In 2002, Harper Collins published a 10th anniversary commemorative edition of The Beauty Myth. She is the author, most recently of The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot and the forthcoming Give me Liberty: How to Become an American Revolutionary. Her essays have appeared in various publications including: The New Republic, Wall Street Journal, Glamour, Ms., Esquire, The Washington Post, and The New York Times. She also speaks widely to groups across the country. She's on the hit list of the usual suspects among the right wing.

I'm sure there is nothing new about women maintaining the conscience, as well as sometimes the home fires, of this nation. What is new and welcome to me, at least in the last quarter century, and particularly on the Internet, is the frequency and brilliant integrity of their verbal artistry. Is it my imagination or are female writers speaking truth to power, at least on the left, better than ever...and just where and when we need it? Thus was I stopped in my tracks this morning by a reference to an article Ms. Wolf published on Friday, in the Daily News Egypt. Where?

I had not heard of the paper, but I have neglected to become more expert in the journalism of the Middle East. First published in Cairo in 2005, The Daily (Star) News Egypt claims to be an independent, privately-owned publication, intent upon unbiased reporting. It's in English. Ms. Wolf's article is entitled "Dear World, Please Confront America," and I suspect we'll hear more about it during the remainder of the week. Naomi Wolf's endorsement of Barack Obama can be found at the website . Let me tell you, even I was a bit shocked by the appearance of this piece.

Dear world, please confront America
By Naomi Wolf
First Published: August 1, 2008

Is it possible to fall out of love with your own country? For two years, I, like many Americans, have been focused intently on documenting, exposing, and alerting the nation to the Bush administration’s criminality and its assault on the Constitution and the rule of law — a story often marginalized at home. I was certain that when Americans knew what was being done in their name, they would react with horror and outrage.
Three months ago, the Bush administration still clung to its devil’s sound bite, “We don’t torture.” Now, Doctors Without Borders has issued its report documenting American-held detainees’ traumas, and even lie detector tests confirm they have been tortured. The Red Cross report has leaked: torture and war crimes. Jane Mayer’s impeccably researched exposé “The Dark Side” just hit the stores: torture, crafted and directed from the top.

The Washington Post gave readers actual video footage of the abusive interrogation of a Canadian minor, Omar Khadr, who was seen showing his still-bleeding abdominal wounds, weeping and pleading with his captors.

So the truth is out and freely available. And America is still napping, worrying about its weight, and hanging out at the mall.

I had thought that after so much exposure, thousands of Americans would be holding vigils on Capitol Hill, that religious leaders would be asking God’s forgiveness, and that a popular groundswell of revulsion, similar to the nineteenth-century anti-slavery movement, would emerge. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, if torture is not wrong, nothing is wrong.

And yet no such thing has occurred. There is no crisis in America’s churches and synagogues, no Christian and Jewish leaders crying out for justice in the name of Jesus, a tortured political prisoner, or of Yahweh, who demands righteousness. I asked a contact in the interfaith world why. He replied, “The mainstream churches don’t care, because they are Republican. And the synagogues don’t care, because the prisoners are Arabs.”

It was then that I realized that I could not be in love with my country right now. How can I care about the fate of people like that? If this is what Americans are feeling, if that is who we are, we don’t deserve our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Even America’s vaunted judicial system has failed to constrain obvious abuses. A Federal court has ruled that the military tribunals system — Star Chambers where evidence derived from torture is used against the accused — can proceed. Another recently ruled that the president may call anyone anywhere an “enemy combatant” and detain him or her indefinitely.

So Americans are colluding with a criminal regime. We have become an outlaw nation — a clear and present danger to international law and global stability — among civilized countries that have been our allies. We are — rightly — on Canada’s list of rogue nations that torture.

Europe is still high from Barack Obama’s recent visit. Many Americans, too, hope that an Obama victory in November will roll back this nightmare. But this is no time to yield to delusions. Even if Obama wins, he may well be a radically weakened president. The Bush administration has created a transnational apparatus of lawlessness that he alone, without global intervention, can neither roll back nor control.

Private security firms — for example, Blackwater — will still be operating, accountable neither to him nor to Congress, and not bound, they have argued, by international treaties. Weapons manufacturers and the telecommunications industry, with billions at stake in maintaining a hyped “war on terror” and their new global surveillance market, will deploy a lavishly financed army of lobbyists to defend their interests.

Moreover, if elected, Obama will be constrained by his own Democratic Party. America’s political parties bear little resemblance to the disciplined organizations familiar in parliamentary democracies in Europe and elsewhere. And Democrats in Congress will be even more divided after November if, as many expect, conservative members defeat Republican incumbents damaged by their association with Bush.

To be sure, some Democrats have recently launched Congressional hearings into the Bush administration’s abuses of power. Unfortunately, with virtually no media coverage, there is little pressure to broaden official investigations and ensure genuine accountability.

But, while grassroots pressure has not worked, money still talks. We need targeted government-led sanctions against the US by civilized countries, including international divestment of capital. Many studies have shown that tying investment to democracy and human rights reform is effective in the developing world. There is no reason why it can’t be effective against the world’s superpower.

We also need an internationally coordinated strategy for prosecuting war criminals at the top and further down the chain of command — individual countries pressing charges, as Italy and France have done. Although the United States is not a signatory to the statute that established the International Criminal Court, violations of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions are war crimes for which anyone — potentially even the US president — may be tried in any of the other 193 countries that are parties to the conventions. The whole world can hunt these criminals down.

An outlaw America is a global problem that threatens the rest of the international community. If this regime gets away with flouting international law, what is to prevent the next administration — or this administration, continuing under its secret succession plan in the event of an emergency — from going further and targeting its political opponents at home and abroad?

We Americans are either too incapable, or too dysfunctional, to help ourselves right now. Like drug addicts or the mentally ill who refuse treatment, we need our friends to intervene. So remember us as we were in our better moments, and take action to save us — and the world — from ourselves.

Maybe then I can fall in love with my country again.


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5 Aug 2008 @ 20:23 by vaxen : .

6 Aug 2008 @ 10:37 by jazzolog : Update
If a war be undertaken for the most righteous end, before the resources of peace have been tried and proved vain to secure it, that war has no defense, it is a national crime.

---Charles Eliot Norton


Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq: 1,251,944


Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America's War On Iraq: 4,132

The War And Occupation Of Iraq Costs:

See the cost in your community


What? A president who will break all these young hearts?  

6 Aug 2008 @ 16:02 by vaxen : .

7 Aug 2008 @ 11:46 by jazzolog : The Joke
Few NCN members are more hidden to our eyes than Mr. Vaxen. If you want to accept his invitation to come out to meet America with him, Naomi, his current Profile lists his address as the Vatican.

PS If the reference to the Klein bottle, here 3 pictured inside each other, is a play upon Naomi's last name, Naomi Klein is another person.  

7 Aug 2008 @ 16:46 by celestial : CRY, WOLF, CRY. HOWL, WOLF, HOWL.
Hi Richard and Vax.

The comment by Vax threw me off as I had glossed over the initials N.K. Some how I had attributed the comment to N. Wolf. Thanks Richard for helping me to dislodge the lie within my brain!

Naomi Wolf wrote an excellent article, a master piece in my humble opinion. In reference to her plea to foreign contries, I've made reference to the Lilliputians (foreign nations) tying up Gulliver (USA) in previous comments elsewhere at NCN. Our nation is on the road to obliteration if we don't change our ways. This war in Iraq falls on the shoulder of President Bush and his adminisTRAITORS. Mr Bush will only be good for one thing more after his term expires; he shall be made an example of. What's coming down the pike for him in the future won't be pleasant; to say the least it will be disgrace and utter ruin!


7 Aug 2008 @ 17:53 by vaxen : .

8 Aug 2008 @ 08:58 by jazzolog : Speaking Of Cursory Study
Vaxen's time in a bottle probably is not the same as Jim Croce's, what with traveling to different worlds and all that, but a focused reading will reveal a last name prevents all women from being the same. That IS Naomi Wolf's comment about overweight Yanks huffing and puffing around the mall, Celestial. Fourth "paragraph" in her article.

8 Aug 2008 @ 18:03 by vaxen : .

8 Aug 2008 @ 18:45 by celestial : Yes, Jazz,
I read it correctly the first time. Some how Vax's comment switched it. I'm trying to figure my brain out and how it happened. Some flaw somewhere; occasionally I forget I AM THE CURSOR.

F.Y.I. Vax, Ming is the king!

Proverb...A king that sits in the throne of judgment scatters away all evil with his eyes. A divine sentence is in the lips of the king: his mouth transgresses not in judgment. Messengers of death immediately follow the wrath of the king! The fear of the king is as the roaring of the lion: whosoever provokes him to anger sins against his own soul.  

8 Aug 2008 @ 21:12 by bushman : lol
A king only rules and is heard in one land, where as an emperor rules many lands and is heard in many.  

8 Aug 2008 @ 22:58 by vaxen : .

9 Aug 2008 @ 10:14 by celestial : Bushman,
You're perfectly right about the king only ruling and is heard in one land.
The earth IS one land!  

9 Aug 2008 @ 10:15 by celestial : Vaxen,
I'm extremely curious; why haven't you all then sentenced President George Bush Jr. and his administraitors to years of servitude? What are you waiting on? Ecc.8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

It's a perfectly clear statement, "Ming is the king." Here at N.C.N. he may choose not to be but on the street, in real time, he is whether he realizes it or not!

What's with "Vaxhearders: Unite?" You better get busy real quick; I'm firing up the furnace!  

9 Aug 2008 @ 19:12 by bushman : Hmm
Assuming the info in that book was writen by the real creator entity. There is no proof either way. King for a day? Surly there is time for war or a god who would rather see his creation in constnt war with itself. Like the blemish on the face, popping the zit, never gets rid of the true reason its there. A king is a King if a King acts as the King thru works in all time, not a mere 4 to 8 years, so to be at the place you see the world should be in, would mean constant world war fighting itself for all time. It dosnt matter who rules, one day it all ends wheather the unjust or the just, either one concludes with the destruction of Earth.  

9 Aug 2008 @ 19:37 by celestial : Bushman,
A one world government will actually break that cycle; it is the first step toward "a more perfect union!" Criminals will run it first. Why? They will be USED to "debug" the program! That period of time is referred to as the tribulation in Revelations.

That is why Ming is the king for now; he is to "oversee" (behind the scenes) until the New Civilization takes over, a system where no one has absolute power!  

9 Aug 2008 @ 20:38 by vaxen : .

10 Aug 2008 @ 05:52 by bushman : Still
it makes no differance, good will become bad and bad will be good, in the end even the most richious will be to blame for the total destruction of the Earth, NWO in the end still destroys the planet in its strugle to become one with her.  

10 Aug 2008 @ 09:22 by vaxen : .

10 Aug 2008 @ 10:51 by jazzolog : I Should Have Titled This Thing
"Shocking IndictmentS." No, not because of this loose thread about NCN's once and future king. (Wasn't Ming an emperor?) I live a happier life now not discussing NCN, its history or potential.

But because of the uncanny ability of Democrats to shoot themselves in the foot. Is that better than shooting your grouse companion in the face? Talk about the lesser of 2 weevils! Don't miss Michael Moore in yesterday's UK Guardian, on how the Dems can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Or Maureen Dowd this morning taking John Edwards apart---limb from limb---without mussing up his hair. I shall retire to Bedlam.

So where was I yesterday? Hauling water, stacking wood. And the daughter had a sleepover Saturday night. Well, the girls did intend to sleep down and across the creek where I've carved out a little picnic glen. The tent was pitched and the girls snuggily bagged for the night---when, upon the stroke of midnight, I heard a scream from down there. A twig had snapped I guess...and so up to the house they came running, which meant the camping went on down here, bodies stretched out preventing access to the computer at my regular ungodly hours. Carry on.  

10 Aug 2008 @ 19:35 by vaxen : Two heads...
one party. Both at your expense. The good old Hegelian Dialectic in a nut house. Psy Ops are being used against the electorate in a major and very successful way. What can you expect when the governments propaganda orgs are run, and owned, by orgs like the CIA?

The electorate? Know what Karl Rove thinks of them (With good reason) don't you? It's very funny if you really look at it all close up from your entrenchment in Bedlam. McCain and Kissinger, Obama and Brzezinsky, The Devil and Alexander Hamilton.

The Olympics are on and big business rules the hour. The electoral college swoons and Joe and Sally glare with glazed eyes at the T.V. screen, or twitter their nights away (Still glaze-eyedly) dreaming the American Dream which died so long ago. The Corporatocracy dances madly, drunkenly, in the streets. Blackwater pisses in the face of liberty and they've a new gun out. Lovely! America's winding sheet...

America, America, land of the walking dead, owned lock stock and barrel by the criminal few, your liberty lies rotting in the streets of Sumer-land nightmares. Come, now, to supper...let us drink the night away. Yesh L'Sechwee Binah LeHavdil Bein Hoshech Ve Layla?


"Well, in 2006, the Dems had a come-to-Jesus meeting with themselves and, under the leadership of Rahm Emanuel, won so many House seats, they just waltzed in and took the place over. What a great day that was, seeing Nancy Pelosi bang the gavel down to open Congress. And what was her first act? To declare that any discussion of the impeachment of George W Bush was verboten and no one was ever to bring it up again. And that was that." ~ M. Moore (Cf., Jazzo's link above)

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"...Unfortunately, in the same brush stroke, I see average American citizens--too apathetic, too preoccupied with frivolity and too self-absorbed in indolent behavior to care enough to take action.

It's a guaranteed reality that when Obama or McCain take the wheel on January 9, 2009, one or the other continues on the same track toward the same destination that George W. Bush launched. Our sovereignty, our culture, our language, our success as a civilization cannot and will not survive this onslaught."

Moritori, Te Salutamus!  

10 Aug 2008 @ 22:02 by vaxen : .

11 Aug 2008 @ 08:52 by jazzolog : Mr. Fish On The One  

12 Aug 2008 @ 12:08 by jazzolog : Welcome FedNix
It's always a pleasure to read a new voice at this site. You've led me on a merry chase however, since I usually try to find out if Google knows who someone is who's just dropped in. FedNix leaves us his email address, which I intend to use, and apparently visited Shreepal's log before coming in here. Fortunately that post contained the same links that he attempted to paste here. Pasting of course, at NCN, does not yield the hyperlinks...but I was able to reconstruct them---since you also can't edit your comments here as a visitor. (Sigh...some things left to improve at the new civilization.)

Jere L. Hough clearly is a very knowledgeable gentleman, commenting and reviewing history and analysis books on very big ideas at Amazon, where his handle is Truthseeker. More recently he is a frequent contributor to the Gold Forum at Kitco Bullion Dealers. {link:} He also wrote an interesting review of a book called Unforgiven: The American Economic System Sold For Debt And War. Whether or not he began his retirement a few years ago playing GameBanshee online may remain a mystery. We can learn much from FedNix, and I hope he comes back.  

13 Aug 2008 @ 01:20 by FedNix @ : Thanks Jazzlog
Thanks, Richard, for the warm welcome. I'm just browsing around your NCN site, and like what I see. So I signed up as JLHough and am awaiting approval to log on. Thanks for fixing the links. I did look for a way to edit them, and found none, as you mentioned. I'm sure I'll comment more when the occasion arises.

Yup, building a better world sure gets top billing with me these days. The wheels are coming of this old wagon, for better or worse. I've read and watched both Naomi Wolf and Klein, and have materials by them. I have Shock Doctrine sitting on my desk now.

That's some pretty good detective work you did. You went to some trouble to check me out, but missed the boat on Gambanshee. I haven't had time to get involved with online games, tho I have dabbled in a few of them at home, and may have briefly visited GB at some point. I didn't have as much luck with your name. More than a few Richard Carlsons. Are you the author of For the Love of God? I haven't read that one yet, but I do a lot of reading into theology and metaphysics, way more than the average bear. I have read much of Marianne Williamson, Buckminster Fuller, Neale Donald Walsh, Emmet Fox, etc.

My main interests are in theology, philosophy, socioeconomics, history, and politics, but I really take in anything I think is useful and adds to our life experience here in this wet gassy blue space ball we call home.

I'll get back to you when I can. I much that I see on your site.

Be with God,


23 Aug 2008 @ 11:39 by jazzolog : Ohio Voting Machines---Again
"It's not the voting that's democracy, it's the counting". : Al Smith - Source: in a speech in Albany, NY

Undoubtedly you heard yesterday the news, I guess scooped by the Washington Post, about the unfortunate error with all the Diebold voting machines used not only in Ohio but 34 other states for the past 10 years. Here's just a little edited version---and then, after that, I have a few questions (which I posted at the newspaper's site)~~~

"A voting system used in 34 states contains a critical programming error that can cause votes to be dropped while being electronically transferred from memory cards to a central tallying point, the manufacturer acknowledges.

"The problem was identified after complaints from Ohio elections officials following the March primary there, but the logic error that is the root of the problem has been part of the software for 10 years, said Chris Riggall, a spokesman for Premier Election Solutions, formerly known as Diebold.

"The flawed software is on both touch screen and optical scan voting machines made by Premier and the problem with vote counts is most likely to affect larger jurisdictions that feed many memory cards to a central counting database rapidly."

"A logic error?" What's that? And why accept Wriggle's description of the programming as an error? For all the elections of the past 10 years, in the states in which Premier Election "Solutions" (Diebold's solutions having served their purpose and died boldly) machines were used, the logic "error" was programmed in.

The "error" is that in heavily populated districts (inner city?) where apparently the machines provided are fewest per capita (why is that?) votes (who knows how many?) got dropped (or flipped?). Historically, would those votes most "logically" have been Republican or Democrat? Is that the Rovian genius of the plot? Is this "The Hidden Campaign" of the headline?  

23 Aug 2008 @ 17:03 by Quinty @ : That's what everyone's
been saying. That the hidden hand of a tiny shot of electricity can offer up a huge concrete reality. The final tally.

Just thought I'd point out the obvious. But concerned folks have been clamoring about this a long time now. Ah, democracy. How much can be accomplished through all the confusion. And how willing so many are to believe. Whatever the obfuscation. In the giddy world of George Bush we seem to have surpassed ourselves. E. L. Doctorow said something nice lately: "the president we elect is the country we get."

But who's going to watch the electricity, that wily electricity, wherever it goes? And how it goes? Whereas paper is so old fashioned and bulky, don't you know? So "yesterday."

There bureaucrats out there who love the trendy, especially if it is hi tech. Electronic voting machines promise so much. If only they could be trusted.

Though some of these election officials may know something they don't want to let on they know. A little current of electricity can be kept in the dark. No one sees the hand that moves it. Our natural inclination toward paranoia is aroused. Problem is, this time paranoia is a healthy response. And this latest news proves it.

It's not even Sunday yet but you have just had a sermon......  

28 Aug 2008 @ 10:19 by jazzolog : Trouble Stirring For Obama
The Philadelphia Times-Herald is carrying this headline this morning~~~

Motion denied in Obama lawsuit
By: KEITH PHUCAS , Times Herald Staff

PHILADELPHIA - A Lafayette Hill lawyer who filed a legal challenge to Sen. Barack Obama's presidential candidacy claiming he doesn't meet U.S. residency requirements had a motion for a temporary restraining order denied Friday.
A day earlier, Philip Berg filed a motion for a temporary restraining order in federal court in Philadelphia questioning the authenticity of Obama's Hawaii birth certificate and claiming the Illinois senator was actually born in Kenya, according to court papers.
Though the motion was denied, Berg said he was encouraged that Judge R. Barclay Surrick did not dismiss the lawsuit. The litigation also sought "expedited discovery."
"We're still waiting to serve the senator," Berg said in a telephone interview Wednesday.
Discovery would include examining the candidate's birth certificate and adoption papers, among other documents, Berg said.
Besides Obama, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Federal Election Commission (FEC) are also named as defendants.
In the motion's supporting memorandum, Berg charges that the DNC failed to verify Obama's eligibility to run for president.

More of the story is at that link. Berg has been significant in Democratic Party workings for a long time, has been a candidate for offices, and is reportedly a Hillary Clinton supporter. So far as I know the story first surfaced over the weekend at here~~~

Personally, I've never felt comfortable with the Constitution's requirement for office of United States citizenship.  

28 Aug 2008 @ 13:45 by quinty : The Creatures of the Night
(talk radio jocks that is) jumped on this too. It fits into their theme of Obama the foreign exotic, the secret Muslim, the blackman in an empty whiteman's suit. And the allegation fuels the kind of paranoid uncertainty this brand of rightwinger thrives on.

But wouldn't it be extraordinary if it were true? The biggest hoax perpetrated in American politics!

At this time I think we can assume the charge emerged out from under the same rock the Swift Boat guys came from. This is their kind of meat. As disgusting as it is bring out your birth certificate, Barack, and quickly end the rumors and suspicions. Though we know, of course, there will always be those who believe Barack was sent here by Osama.  

28 Aug 2008 @ 16:17 by jazzolog : A Forgery
If there is a forgery here, it could be possible Barack knew nothing of it. Maybe Mom wanted a US birth certificate for any number of reasons. Surely if he was born in Hawaii rather than Kenya, there are records in the state.  

28 Aug 2008 @ 18:55 by bushman : Also
I dont see mentioned, non-states dellegates, like Guam and American Samoa have state dellegates, how can they have voting power with out being a state? There is a couple others I think too, yet our flag does not show 54 stars on it yet.  

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