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17 comments28 Nov 2008 @ 10:23 by mortimer : exactly what I needed!
Well however your sonar zeros in these articles I wonder but that was worth hunting down. Just wanted to let you know you're appreciated for your generosity and dynamic drive in support of truth and freedom.
28 Nov 2008 @ 21:25 by mortimer : habitual nose-bleeders
They don’t tell this side of the story in public schools. I posted this article in the tiospaye (extended family) forum for the kids. Freedom loving people don’t need or want more ideology! Freedom lovers everywhere need and demand the truth! But...Today the wasichu (fat takers) complain of rubbing noses in the facts---the wasichu have always whined and complained about accommodations and today they whine because the internet does not accommodate them. But the facts remain. The only resolve is bitter sweet and that’s the truth. It’s no longer about race, and it’s no longer just historical facts. Instead it’s about the middle class down. They perfected genocide on the indigenous people and now the middle class people are next. The nose bleeders don’t even know they are still asleep, they don’t know their families are next.
29 Nov 2008 @ 16:58 by vaxen : Classless...
It is nice for me to contemplate what a classless society must be like where everybody had the equal opportunity of reaching old age in a mellow state. However I must dispense with niceties for the moment and view that iron clad monster rushing madley down the tracks towards our small estate. I think, with a bit of luck, a few of us might get together and with an iron bar, or two, derail that monster into oblivions dream factory.
29 Nov 2008 @ 18:01 by vaxen : Foreigners in Bombay Attack...
At NCN no one seems to be able to make the necessary tie ins with which to understand incidents such as the recent "terrorist" attacks in Bombay. Fist to get the blame is the non existant "Al Qaeda." Whenever the 'western press' makes such immediate claims you can be sure that it is not 'that!' There are many forces at play but who really stands to benefit? Take a look at Pakistan strategically. Read Brzezinsky. The following article might begin to shed some light on just what forces are at bey:
"Other "men walked into the cafe, drank beer, settled their bills and walked out. Then they fished out guns from their bags and began firing." Muslims do not drink alcohol, that is unless they are Muslims like Marwan Al-Shehhi and Mohamed Atta, who reportedly not only liked to drink but enjoyed lap dances by topless dancers as well before they supposedly hijacked planes and flew them into buildings."
"The presence of "foreign looking, fair skinned" commandos who calmly gunned down dozens of people after drinking a few beers indicates that the Mumbai attacks were likely the work of the Anglo-American covert intelligence operatives, not indigenous Indian Muslims or for that matter Arab al-Qaeda terrorists. The attacks prepare the ground for the break-up of Pakistan and the furtherance of destabilizing terrorism in the Middle East and Asia. The Mumbai attacks had little to do with India or the relationship between Muslim Pakistanis and Hindu Indians."
And you might ask what this all has to do with thanksgiving? The modus operandi of the BEIC (British East India Trading Company) is well known - as are their aims. You might think that they no longer exist but all you need to do is begin to research honestly, and read between the lines. MI6 (SIS), RAW, ISI, CIA, MOSSAD a veritable 'stew' of intelligence all used by the council of 300 in furtherance of their 'aims.' Think they don't exist? Make the connection with BEIC and you'll soon see their fingerprints everywhere. To conspire means to breath together. ;)
Divide and Conquer: The Anglo-American Imperial Project
Establishing an "Arc of Crisis"
Many would be skeptical that the Anglo-Americans would be behind terrorist acts in Iraq, such as with the British in Basra, when two British SAS soldiers were caught dressed as Arabs, with explosives and massive arsenal of weapons. Why would the British be complicit in orchestrating terror in the very city in which they are to provide security? What would be the purpose behind this? That question leads us to an even more important question to ask, the question of why Iraq was occupied; what is the purpose of the war on Iraq? If the answer is, as we are often told with our daily dose of CNN, SkyNews and the statements of public officials, to spread democracy and freedom and rid the world of tyranny and terror, then it doesn’t make sense that the British or Americans would orchestrate terror.
However, if the answer to the question of why the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq occurred was not to spread democracy and freedom, but to spread fear and chaos, plunge the country into civil war, balkanize Iraq into several countries, and create an "arc of crisis" across the Middle East, enveloping neighboring countries, notably Iran, then terror is a very efficient and effective means to an end.
It is no mistake, as well, that Barack Obama http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0132206420070801 has called for action against Pakistan. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Obama said last August.
29 Nov 2008 @ 19:14 by a-d : I heard somewhere
that "Al Quaeda" means s---. Is that correct? ( ...and that would explain lot, wouldn't it?)
29 Nov 2008 @ 19:33 by ashanti : Mumbai attacks
Yep, first I heard about them, I thought, oh, here we go again. I never for a minute thought this was anything other than another CIA/Mossad black operation, to make Pakistan look bad, and to make headway with getting Asia up to speed with buying into the anti-terror security legislation, which takes away all freedoms, and is an essential pre-requisite for the implementation of the New World Order. This is going to be used to bring many of the "developing countries" into line as well.
Oh - PS - yes, I have always been gob-smacked at the Thanksgiving thing - neatly placed on top of a genocide of indigenous people, and people do NOT want to hear about that.....
29 Nov 2008 @ 22:29 by a-d : Ooohhh, I love it, Vax!
" that iron clad monster rushing madley down the tracks...." /// heheheh... funny, In Sweden/Swedish we have a saying about people who are unable to switch from one "thought-package" to another, so to speak, that they are dumber than the train ("du är-"e" dummare än tåget" )
Ashanti, bullies always HATE to have their own behavior & actions spelled out in words --by Someone else!...usually someone, who somehow was/became victim of these atrocities!...and that's "when"/"where" all the 'Hate Laws' are launched; to keep -especially- those people from speaking out!
29 Nov 2008 @ 22:49 by vaxen : rusyn...
Gently: You do NOT know what you are talking about. Pure and simple. Anything that would even hint at a possible involvement of your mainstay icons in anything that smacks of 'terrorism' would be deleted immediately from your very narrow, and totally uniformed, mind. You are to be pitied but fortunately there are many who do know the truth and also know just how these agencies operate as well as their future plans!
No one is blaming Jews! You can't blame something that doesn't exist. Pakistan is a very crucial dynamic in the chess game. Wake up. Or don't. The earmarks of false flag ops, especially SIS, ISI, CIA, MOSSAD, false flag ops, are very well known in the IC. Get a grip!
Thanks Ashanti. Have been wondering what was going on 'over there,' with you, as things are definitely heating up...
Oh, Toben was released and that is a small victory against the Fascists of all ilks, colors, persuasions! Onwards, then, we'll fight till the New World Order serpents are all dead!
Jean Baudrillard has trance ended his Matrixed state:
And as the number of Europeans increased, they proved not nearly so generous as the Wampanoags.
30 Nov 2008 @ 04:49 by vaxen : Galois
I'm not crying wolf, I'm screaming: "SKULLDUGGERY!" The 'source' is multiple. And sources have been known to lie for profit. I quit the Foundation for one reason alone: They suck at what they do! I don't. And I wasn't about to die because of their jaded opinions of how the world should be and how an Operator should operate! The real core is that the PTB want Eurasia and are preparing for the final assault.
The attack goes back to, not Kashmir, but the real core of all these attacks and that core is invisible and those who know it know it and will deal with it in proper terms when the time is right.
Watch the CIA owned Mass Media do it's spin job. Best to save all the early commentaries as the spin will definitely put a new 'shine' on it after it has all been 'sheep dipped' to hell.
I respect your opinions but don't for a moment think that I rely on Rense for much of anything at all. I have contacts that go way beyond disinformation operators who are in it for the glee club whis-key.
Though I think Jeff is sincere...and I do appreciate what he does. An analyst takes everything, and I do mean everything, into account as far as any 'case' is concerned. The slightest little seeming non entitical detail can open up reams upon reams of canned saurkraut.
Vas Ist Verbotten, Herren?
Obama Is An Intel Spook
This accurate comment appears on the Amazon review page of Webster Tarpley's 'Barrack H. Obama - The Unauthorized Biography' --
Obama is a spook. I don't mean that in the racist sense of the word.
Obama's mother was a CIA officer.
Obama was one of 8 students selected to study sovietology in Columbia's IR program under Brzezinski, one of the CIA's top- ranking officers.
Obama went to work for a CIA front, Business International Corporation (one of whose specialties was recruiting leaders of domestic left-wing organizations as CIA assets).
Obama ran for state office and his opponent quit the race before the election.
Obama ran for US Senate, and his opponent quit the race before the election.
Obama ran for Pres., and his foreign policy chief was, who else, one of the CIA's top officers, Brzezinski.
I use the same simple technique that the security forces use to identify intelligence agents and prevent infiltration: I do a background check.
I'm not saying Obama is good or bad. I'm just pointing out that he is a spook.
30 Nov 2008 @ 06:00 by ashanti : Source/Intuition
No, my observations are based on my own intuition, and what I know. I most definitely was not blaming "Jews". There ARE Muslim Jihad extremists, no doubt, and they are suicidally insane. The fact that there are such lunatics and fanatics abroad make it so easy for those who manipulate history to implement their agenda using these "kids" as a cover. There is a lot that is very strange about these baby-faced killers in Mumbai. As Vax says, lets see what happens. I know that massive "anti-terror" legislation will be pushed through. The funny thing is, this legislation does not actually stop terror - anymore than the AirPort measures do - the terrorists and criminals slip through anyway, it is only the honest, basically decent citizens that get harrased, bullied, abused, strip-searched, and so on. I am currently compiling a list of ordinary people who have been brutalized by Nazi-style thugs at airports. Yet strangely, despite all these measures, the "terrorists" still get through, still get to do their ops. It is such a crock, I am simply gob-smacked that so few notice what is really going on. But then I guess, most people don't get out much, leave their home towns, or countries and travel the world. They rely on the media.
I think this too, is the reason why the Nazi crackdown at airports. People who travel the world get to see things for themselves, first-hand, and are able to then distinguish the reality they saw, with the crock of lies that pour through the mainstream media. They definitely want to stop the Animals from seeing.
Soon, Americans will have to get permission from homeland security if they want to go out of town, travel to another US state, and get permission to travel abroad. International travel is already being discouraged, ref the Aiport nazi thugs, but more is coming, as lock-down mode is approaching.
1 Dec 2008 @ 02:12 by vaxen : Ha, ha...
And, of course, you believve it. Welcome to the spin. We KNOW different.
1 Dec 2008 @ 02:35 by ursula : Yes
because you live in an alternate universe (the dark shadow) that operates under denial and fear. You MUST believe in the conspiracy theory or you'd cease to function hahahaha. Last night some friends got together with me and we had a huge laugh over your "theories".
1 Dec 2008 @ 06:29 by vaxen : Unfortunately...
they are 'NOT' my theories. You've really never read Brzezinsky at all, have you? And you are not that well trained in 'factor analysis,' are you? And I live in an alternate universe, eh? The 'dark shadow?' Know what Jung says about that archetype?
There are no "conspiracy theories" only actual "conspiracies" going on here. But of course you've never studied America's 'Conspiracy' laws, right? Of course not. What would you call RICO? ;) Unh, hunh. Con-Spiratus (With breath.' ;) Allusion being to two or more gathered together breathing the same air. At least you are laughing as people in other parts of the world are slaughtered by inane politics and grabs for illusory 'world power.' I am sourced beyond MEST so my interest is purely disinterested 'truth.' Unvarnished, pure and simple. Incidentally denial and fear are tools of 'your' government and have nothing to do with my ME at all. The following 'indicators' are just a few points of light lifted out of tons of Media wrangling. The essentials can be found in Mr Brzezinsky's works. But he has only culled his view from countless others who know, and are part of, The Great Game. Surely you've heard of that?
Whose Who Of The Hindutva Army
"A Hindu umbrella group, 'Sangh Parivar' (SP) is built around an extremist Hindu party, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). Its members includes parties like the RSS, Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), and Bajrang Dal (BD, also known as the Monkey Brigade).
"Bal Thackeray, an admirer of Adolf Hitler and Nazism, is the founder of an extremist Hindu party 'Shiv Sena' (SS, meaning Army of Shiva). Only his hate for Muslims surpasses his love for Hitler. In 1984, in an interview with the 'India Today', he said, "[Muslims] were spreading like a cancer and should be operated on like a cancer. The...country should be saved from the Muslims and the police should support them". According to the Asia Times, Thackeray called on the Hindus to form suicide squads "to take the Muslims head on. Trouble-making Muslims should be wiped out from the country... kick out the [40 million] Bangladeshi Muslims and then the country will be secure". In a deposition before the Srikrishna Commission, Yuvraj Mohite said, Thackeray coordinated much of the January 1993 Mumbai carnage. He claimed, "Balasaheb was sitting and he was getting calls from various places. He would ask what was happening at that particular place… and then he would say, 'Kill them. Send them to Allah'"."
"A handful of gunmen held out for almost three days, taking hundreds of people hostage, many of them Westerners. Twenty-two of those killed were foreigners. Last night emergency services raised the prospect that many - including three Britons - were still missing from the Taj.
"The gunmen set the 105-year-old hotel ablaze as they evaded scores of India's best-trained commandos. They left bodies with grenades stuffed into their mouths.
"The photograph of a baby-faced militant, whom newspaper reports claim is Kasab, wearing combat trousers and swinging an AK47 in Mumbai's main railway station, is the defining image of the rampage. His victims are said to include Mumbai's anti-terror squad chief Hemant Karkare, whose body was cremated yesterday."
"Under questioning, Kasab is said to have admitted to being a resident of Faridkot in Pakistan's Punjab province. 'I was trained by Lashkar-e-Taiba and asked to cause maximum casualties in Mumbai,' he is alleged to have said, referring to an organisation which India says is sending armed militants into Kashmir. Kasab was arrested on Wednesday night after his partner, said to be Ismail Khan, was shot dead.
"The duo's night began when they fired on commuters in the railway station and in two hospitals. Kasab told police that they had learned about Mumbai's geography using Google Earth.
"According to Indian media reports, the captured militant said that a room booked in the Taj had been used to store explosives and ammunition ahead of the attacks. This might explain how the squads of gunmen were able to reload their weapons over more than 50 hours and appeared to have an inexhaustible supply of grenades."
*Note: Note the many 'points of interest' such as: "His victims are said to include Mumbai's anti-terror squad chief Hemant Karkare..." and "I was trained by Lashkar-e-Taiba and asked to cause maximum casualties in Mumbai," he is alleged..., *Note the word "alleged." And, since he is the only one to have survived? ;) Right...
"MOSSAD ACTIVITY IN INDIA
"ISRAELI COUNTER-TERRORISM ASSISTANCE has mobilized since 2000 in the Jammu and Kashmir areas of India, where the Indian government has been pursuing a 'security' issue with regard to the Kashmiri people. In 2000, The Times Of India reported on the Israeli presence in India:
"Israeli counter-terrorism experts are now touring Jammu and Kashmir and several other states in India at the invitation of Home Minister Lal Krishna Advani to make an assessment of New Delhi's security needs.
"The Israeli team, headed by Eli Katzir of the Israel Counter-Terrorism Combat Unit, includes Israeli military intelligence officials and a senior police official." View Entire Story Here.
"The Israelis were asked to determine the areas in which Israel could offer assistance to help reduce the incidence of terrorist incursions into Jammu and Kashmir from Pakistan. It was agreed that Israeli assistance would include "information transfers, instruction in operational methods, and the sale of equipment."
"Home Minister Advani already visited Israel in June 2000 and advocated for "closer India-Israeli cooperation on all security matters." Much of his time in Israel was spent learning about counter-terrorism techniques from the heads of the Mossad."
Tell me, now, how this band of "terrorists" gained access to one whole room and stored enough ammunitions, including grenades and other sophisticated explosives, to with stand for so many days the elite commandoes of the Indian Security Forces trained so very well by Israel's Mossad?
"Factor analysis - Means, Method and Motivation: Powerful western media organisations reinforce their opinions with repetition, linking assaults like these with former "Islamist attacks" and another "terrorist attack". Their logic and factor analysis use (1) the weapons used, (2) the similarity of past attacks by "Al Queda" and (3) motivation. But of course they never consider the possibility, based on this same factor analysis, that the architects may be the CIA and/or Mossad.
"Means: That the most powerful military machine in the world has the means to arm groups like the one who is carrying out the Mumbai attacks requires no apology or defense.
"Method: History is replete with examples of U.S./Israeli use of a surrogate to attack their enemies. William John Fox pointed this out in his exemplary analysis, Deliver Us From Chaos: Ten Political Commandments. In 1953 they used domestic terrorism to overthrow Mohammad Mosaddeq, former Prime Minister of Iran. They used the Afghan Mujahideen to attack Russia in the same year of their resistance. The CIA and the U.S. ambassador secretly engineered the "Rose Revolution" in Georgia in 2003 and "the U.S. encouraged the Israeli-trained Georgian army to invade the disputed enclave of South Ossetia five years later".
"Motivation: The only difference between the factors used by the capitalist media and ours is motivation. Regarding motivation, CNN states "they (Deccan Mujahideen) want to create as much damage and attention to themselves as possible". CIA/Mossad are masters at destruction, but the last thing they want is bringing attention to themselves. Motivation for the U.S. to take it's war to Pakistan fits perfectly with these attacks. As a matter of fact, Barack Obama and Joe Biden already declared their intention to take the war to Pakistan and stated with certainty that Obama's "mettle would be tested" by a major international "incident" in the near future. If the perpetrators want to draw attention to themselves, their method (i.e. killing civilians), simply does not make sense unless one buys the Bush regime's religion-based simplism that they are simply "evil". Militant's fighting for causes such as independence or national sovereignty want least of all, international negative attention or popular hatred. The only thing missing from the corporate media explanation is George W. Bush's idiotic claim that "the terrorists are jealous of our freedoms". Using this the corporate media's methodology, it is entirely reasonable and just as easy to implicate the CIA and Mossad."
"Associated Press described the attackers,
"Teams of heavily armed gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant and a crowded train station in coordinated attacks across India's financial capital Wednesday night, killing at least 78 people and taking Westerners hostage, police said. A group of suspected Muslim militants claimed responsibility."
"Reuters describes them, "The previously unknown or little known group sent an email to news organisations claiming responsibility." This is a familiar attribution to "terrorist attacks" which, because the organisation is "unknown", noone can prove otherwise. CNN TV states emphatically, "This is definitely an international attack using domestic terrorists". We have no doubt that the latter statement is true but the question is, "Who are those international backers of these attacks?""
Know who owns CNN?
We must also remember where the very term, "terrorism" was born in 1947 and who carried it out? - Israel. The term has been internationalised and popularised since then by the corporate media, rarely if ever pointing to its origins. Today, "terrorism" has become a household term, associated solely with Muslims throughout the world and it was developed into a basis for a war without end. The military assault on Mumbai is another a mini-9/11 in the sense that it provides a platform for juicing and expanding the "anti-terror" war under a new Obama administration which will no doubt be backed by other western governments.
Mumbai terror attacks: India fury at Pakistan as bloody siege is crushed
• Lone surviving militant 'reveals terror group links'
• Death toll at 200 as hotel cleared
"According to the reports, which could not be independently verified, Kasab said that the operation was the responsibility of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a jihadist group based in Pakistan, and its aim was to 'kill as many as possible' in what was intended to be India's 9/11. The claims were made as Indian special forces ended the violent sieges around Mumbai with the killing of the final three terrorists holding out in the Taj Mahal Palace hotel - where British survivors had walked through rooms strewn with bodies and 'blood and guts' as they were led to safety."
My how very convenient. Sole surviving "terrorist" 'spills the beans!' Sure, sure...
"Analysts said that the omens did not look good for the peace process between India and Pakistan. 'I expect a very difficult time ahead,' said Tariq Fatemi, a former Pakistani ambassador to Washington. 'Anything short of a real and genuine effort to co-operate by Pakistan would send very, very bad signals - not just to India but to the US and to Europe too.'"
Sho nuff? ;)
I realise that you, rusyn, will probably not have the focused intent necessary to go through the above with the diligence due the arising picture but maybe others will so the above is not directed at you, per se. How many years did you say you spent analysing intelligence?
PS: You may want to apply the 'Fibonacci Quantal Analysis,' or 'Combinatorial Analysis,' method to all the above. You might not...
Does dark matter at larger space-time sheets define super-quantal phase?
The lift of 2-dimensional conformal invariance to the space-time level and field particle duality as the mother of almost all dualities (Love/Hate, Black/White, Yin/Yang, Dark/Light, Good/Evil... You get the picture? Good. :))
Shavua Tov Lach. Shabti Haytah Mitzuyenet!
1 Dec 2008 @ 06:52 by mortimer : hmmm
look at the time stamps, 8 minutes apart.
and now without reading your post she resorts ad homonym.
1 Dec 2008 @ 07:20 by vaxen : Mortimer...
Amazing, eh? ;) Feynman would have a hayday. Canonical correspondence between p-adic and real numbers... ;) Quantum Hall effect from topological field quantization. Thanks, bro. There's that mysterious '8' again! Heh, heh... subquantal murametics.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi
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