|New Civilization News: The Vote Was Hacked|
12 comments7 Nov 2004 @ 21:16 by ov : Silver Lining
I've made a few comments over at the Smirking Chimp that there was a silver lining to this whole thing. If it can be proved that the Bush stole the election then his presidency is illegal, and the decisions made by it are not legally binding. On the other hand, if Kerry would have won the long term results would have been the same, but they would have been legal and legally binding on future generations. This is more than just a technicality, and is very similiar to the legality problem outlined in my Pillage of Baghdad article of a few days ago. Bush does what he wants and although his action towards the rest of the world is very aggresive and militaristic, he responds to the American people in a passive-aggresive way, and it does seem to be effective in the short term, but it doesn't have the legitimacy that will survive his term in office.
Justice will only occur through the world courts. Why do you think the Bushies are so adamant about not being held accountable to the world courts.
8 Nov 2004 @ 10:34 by jazzolog : My Letter
This is an email I just sent out to a group of pretty influential political people and journalists I know~~~
Believe me, I would like nothing better than for these doubts about Dirty
Tricks to fade from my view of the election. I don't want to be labeled, as
Harry Shearer did on Le Show last night, merely one more conspiracy
theorist. And yet I feel the discrepancies in the electronic voting and
tabulation across the country are incredibly important in this close
election. However, I see no investigative journalists announcing they're
going after those problems. I realize if some operatives did pull off
hacking hijacking that the computers on which they did it probably are
destroyed to ashes by now...and that at best we'd be left with
circumstantial evidence. But are not the incidents referred to by William
Rivers Pitt this morning worthy of followup---at least to their dead-ends?
Thanks to Zepp, whose name you see as one of the few recipients of these
alarums and who IS going after this story!
Thanks also, Zepp, for posting the BlackBox URL (
[link] ) but unfortunately the graphic at the Randi
Rhodes Show came through only as HTML stuff. Can you try it again...or else
just post the site? [link]
Unfortunately they don't give the original source. Does anyone know?
~~~Sigh~~~ Enjoy your Monday,
8 Nov 2004 @ 13:42 by jazzolog : More Just Received
and passed along. Please do likewise, if you wish~~~
November 4, 2004
Basic report from Columbus
From a lawyer who was in there in Ohio.
A database of voter irregularities is reportedly being assembled, and
hopefully there will be web sites devoted to documenting what really
I worked for 3 days, including Election Day, on the statewide voter
protection hotline run by the Ohio Democratic Party in Columbus, Ohio. I
am writing this because the media is inexplicably whitewashing what happened
in Ohio, and Kerry's concession was likewise inexplicable. Hundreds of
thousands of people were disenfranchised in Ohio.
People waited on line for as long as 10 hours. It appears to have only
happened in Democratic-leaning precincts, principally (a) precincts where
many African Americans lived, and (b) precincts near colleges. I spoke to a
young man who got on line at 11:30 am and voted at 7 pm. When he left at 7
pm, the line was about 150 voters longer than when he'd arrived, which meant
those people were going to wait even longer. In fact they waited for as much
as 10 hours, and their voting was concluded at about 3 am. The reason this
occurred was that they had 1 voting station per 1000 voters, while the
adjacent precinct had 1 voting station per 184. Both precincts were within
the same county, and managed by the same county board of elections. The
difference between them is that the privileged polling place was in a rural,
solidly Republican, area, while the one with long lines was in the college
town of Gambier, OH.
Lines of 4 and 5 hours were the order of the day in many African-American
Touch screen voting machines in Youngstown OH were registering "George W.
Bush" when people pressed "John F. Kerry" ALL DAY LONG. This was reported
immediately after the polls opened, and reported over and over again
throughout the day, and yet the bogus machines were inexplicably kept in use
THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
Countless other frauds occurred, such as postcards advising people of
incorrect polling places, registered Democrats not receiving absentee
ballots, duly registered young voters being forced to file provisional
ballots even though their names and signatures appeared in the voting rolls,
longtime active voting registered voters being told they weren't registered,
bad faith challenges by Republican "challengers" in Democratic precincts,
and on and on and on.
I was very proud of the way so many Ohioans fought so valiantly for their
right to vote, and would not be turned away. Many, however, could not spend
the entire day and were afraid of losing their jobs, due to the severe
economic depression hitting Ohio.
I do not understand why Kerry conceded and did not fight to ensure that all
Ohioans would have a chance to vote, and for their vote to be counted.
Beldock Levine & Hoffman LLP
99 Park Ave (Ste 1600)
New York, NY 10016
I am angry and getting emails and recrimination from people wondering why
KERRY just caved and is not fighting this before the final count in Ohio,
before any of the fraud was challenged, before New Mexico and Iowa even came
There is widespread feeling that he did not lose the election and that it
was taken from him.
There is enough here to warrant investigation and enough to challenge the
results. It's coming from all corners.
I understand that he has until the official count certification in Ohio to
Un Concede which is several days from now.
Anyone who thinks that he should unconcede should give reasons why -
whatever they noticed, particularly in Red Republican Governed States using
electronic machines- and send them directly to Cameron KERRY, John Kerry's
brother at his law firm at the address CKerry@Mintz.com They should inform
us if they were not allowed to vote provisionally (for whatever reason- they
lost forms, ran out of forms, etc.) I personally witnessed a number of
things as I reported in Texas with the DCCC. (Democratic Congressional
If you know anyone in particular in Ohio who tried to vote and was turned
away at the polls please get their information and notify the campaign. They
should be notified if they experienced lines longer than four
hours -particularly elderly or infirm people (we call that torture when they
do it to political prisoners) . They should be notified if people were told
as has been reported that due to too many people showing up in African
American precincts, particularly in Ohio where there were too few booths
(some only had two or three for the entire precinct) and told because of
heavy turn out they could vote on Wednesday.
If the numbers of these sorts of incidents creates a percentage margin that
the margin of victory- Un Concession has to be made to challenge the count.
If people wanted to and tried to vote and were prevented or actively
discouraged from doing so, that is a Civil Rights matter and must be dealt
with in terms of the ultimate count.
This is the last email that I am writing on this subject in this venue. I am
taking it up in other venues.
Please pass along this to your listservs so that we may make Democracy Work
in America. We are not a country where he who cheats best wins.
Cynthia L. Butler
BUTLER LAW FIRM, P.C.
1717 K St. NW, Suite 600
Washington, DC 20036
We have the POWER to take our country BACK!
8 Nov 2004 @ 14:13 by jazzolog : Dems Start Investigation
The Honorable David M. Walker
Comptroller General of the United States
U.S. General Accountability Office
Dear Mr. Walker:
We write with an urgent request that the Government Accountability Office immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to difficulties they encountered and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration...
John Conyers, Jr. Jerrold Nadler, and Robert Wexler
House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution
8 Nov 2004 @ 16:02 by jazzolog : 17 Counties Reporting More Than 100%
in Ohio. So how it THAT possible?
8 Nov 2004 @ 16:56 by ov : Votes
Thanks for all the information Richard. I think the people have to keep at this putting together the evidence. Notice how the war in Iraq is ramping up, they need a diversion and its so much more interesting to watch that night vision green whup ass and cheer every time our side gets a hit. Time to give up on influencing the main stream news and concentrate on the web side and getting the information organized so that people can find it when there mind is finally free enough to think, after that proverbial camel's straw has given them a perspective adjustment.
I beat Dean wouldn't have rolled over, and I bet that was why he had to be taken out early in the race. Any word about what Dean is doing these days?
8 Nov 2004 @ 20:16 by ov : Votes
NEW YORK Heres an interesting little sidebar of our system of government confirmed recently by the crack Countdown research staff: no Presidential candidates concession speech is legally binding. The only determinants of the outcome of election are the reports of the state returns boards and the vote of the Electoral College.
10 Nov 2004 @ 10:44 by jazzolog : From John Kerry's Legal Counsel
If you're following the situation in Ohio, please take a look at the email sent out last night at jazzoLOG (20th comment)~~~
11 Nov 2004 @ 07:40 by ov : Votes
Top notch site for links on voter fraud WantToKnow.info
FairElections.us is Bill Moyer's site, a journalist with experience, integrity and credibility, imho.
11 Nov 2004 @ 16:59 by ov : Votes
Nader calls for US election recounts
1 hour, 23 minutes ago U.S. National - AFP
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Ralph Nader (news - web sites), an independent presidential candidate this year, has called for recounts of November 2 voting results saying that amid allegations of irregularities, he wanted to ensure that every ballot was counted.
Nader, who this year drew about one percent of the vote nationally, told a press conference Wednesday he was speaking out for the "thousands" of US voters asking for recounts and not on his own behalf.
"Over 2,000 citizens including voting rights advocates are urging in writing the Nader Camejo campaign to help make sure every vote is counted and counted accurately. The Nader Camejo campaign does not view the election to be over merely because concession speeches, which have no legal effect, have been given. Rather they are over when every vote is counted and legally certified," Nader said.
He urged recounts particularly in the hotly disputed states of Ohio and Florida, which went to Bush, New Hampshire which went to Kerry, and North Carolina, which went to Bush.
Nader highlighted irregularities including one reported earlier in an Ohio polling station where 638 voters cast ballots but results showed 4,258 voted for Bush, and 260 for Kerry.
"Striking inconsistencies exist between the vote as reported on the AccuVote Diebold Machines and exit polls and voting trends in New Hampshire. These irregularities in the reported vote count favor president George W. Bush by five to 15 percent over what was expected.
"Problems in these electronic voting machines and optical scanners are being reported in machines in a variety of states," Nader added.
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