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10 comments18 Nov 2004 @ 00:38 by mmmark : Bolts
The PBS documentary revealed that the use of 3/4" bolts hold the steel joists in place were up to the task even of the steel was up to code.
18 Nov 2004 @ 03:04 by ming : Bolts
That the bolts were *not* up to code, even if the steel itself were?
See, that's the kind of thing that might actually explain it, without conspiracies. But not as long as the official explanation still is that the heat from burning fuel melted the supporting beams.
18 Nov 2004 @ 03:30 by bushman : Another Therory not talked about.
Is, that under the WTC's towers was the subway system, also the towers were built around a central core suport system, the central core was basicly hollow fuel ran down the core, and acted like a blast furnace in a way, like the flu of a chiminey, the fire could of been hot enough to melt the steel. If they had drop down doors at the subway platforms, that sealed off air flow from the bottom, the fires would of starved and never got hot enough.
18 Nov 2004 @ 11:20 by ming : Fire
That just doesn't fit with the physics of burning fuel. Yes, one found, several months later, a lot of molten steel in the foundation. Which couldn't really have been caused by burning fuel, however much oxygen it had.
But if nobody had thought about the bolts that held the whole thing together, and the bolts melted at a different temperature, that could be a reasonable explanation. I haven't seen anything on that.
The buildings were built to high standards of being able to withstand even extreme events. It could entirely be possible that the standards were wrong, and one had discovered conditions that would be catastrophic. But the very suspicious thing is that they didn't. If the norms were wrong, somebody should be rewriting the text books. Just like when a bridge unexpectedly fell down because it started swinging at a certain frequency in certain types of wind. One had to revise the rules of building bridges, and the mistake wouldn't have to be made again. So far nobody has pointed out any mistake in the construction of the WTC that would add up to revising the methods it was constructed with.
18 Nov 2004 @ 18:31 by Chris Hagglund @126.96.36.199 : Thermite
One thing that will melt steel like that and smolder with white smoke like the remains did is something called thermite. It is a mixture of iron oxide and aluminum dust, and it burns hot like hell. If this material had been strategically placed on the supports of the building it would have resulted in their collapse. This stuff also doesnt ignite easily, but burning jet fuel would probably set it off. Scary stuff, but it fits with what has been observed. This page is themed along these lines: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.htm
28 Nov 2004 @ 19:24 by bushman : Explosions,
in the lower levels below the street. I found this today.
16 Aug 2006 @ 09:45 by Bill Heimiller @188.8.131.52 : WTF on WTC steel letter...
'Either you can make sense of what really happened to those buildings, and communicate this quickly, or we all face the same destruction and despair that come from global decisions based on disinformation and "chatter". '
Maybe this guy's letter should get him fired.
Why didn't he just email Gayle with his questions instead of suggesting so much? He goes on about emotions and 9/11, and suggests Gayle may be spreading disinformation. Ryan's points/questions seem valid, which make his letter that much more tragically nulled, to an extent. Maybe he should've kept it short, AND consulted his boss before he sent it.
Maybe Ryan felt responsible himself, as his company certified the steel that the NIST said failed.
One thing is sure though, the NIST should provide an acceptable answer to Ryan's questions.
28 Jun 2008 @ 16:32 by Chuck Boldwyn @184.108.40.206 : Impossibility of Collapse w/o Explosives
It has been repeatedly reported that the strength of the WTC steel could support 2000% of it's normal load. This mean that you could stack 19 additional WTC buildings on top of the original WTC building before it might collapse. that would be an additional (110 x 19 = 2,090) additional
WTC stories vertically on top of the original WTC skyscraper. Therefore how could 10 to 25 stories get enough enough momentum to initiate total collapse of the remaining, basically unblemished, majority of the building below it.
The Physics 'Normal' upward supporting force was thousands of times greater than the downward Gravitational force of the upper portion of the building.
The case rests there. The basic laws of Physics cannot be broken. Newton's 3 laws of motion and the Conservation of Momentum Law and the Conservation of Energy Law simply cannot be broken because the Government and the Media propaganda to the contrary. I think a person needs a Physics background, who is able to apply the Laws of Physics, theoretically and/or mathematically to truly understand what is going on with the collapse. Only powerful steel cutting explosives can come close to explaining the total collapse the the WTC 1 and WTC 2.
If this conclusion is wrong, please add your comment in favor or not in favor of the conclusion. If you think it is wrong, please explain why it is wrong...
28 Jun 2008 @ 18:17 by bushman : Yep
Dosnt take a PHD to see what they did.
29 Jun 2008 @ 08:31 by Chuck Boldwyn @220.127.116.11 : Impossibility of Collapse w/o Explosives
This is to edit or revise and correct my initial input statement of 6-28-08.
It has been repeatedly reported in 911 books and internet articles that the strength of the WTC steel could support 2000% of it's normal gravity load. This mean that you could stack 19 additional WTC buildings on top of the original WTC building before it might collapse. That would be an additional
(110 x 19 = 2,090) additional WTC stories vertically on top of the original WTC skyscraper. Therefore how could 15 stories from the South Tower or 30 stories from the North Tower gain enough acceleration and momentum to initiate total collapse of the remaining, basically unblemished, majority of the building below it.
The Physics 'Normal' Force Vector upwards is the supporting force for the lower undamaged portion of the WTC. The upward supporting force vector for the South Tower is calculated to be 46 times greater that the downwards Gravitational Force Vector of the 30 stories of the upper portion.
The upward supporting force vector for the North Tower is calculated to be 127 times greater than the downwards Gravitational Force Vector of the 15 stories of it's upper portion.
The case for Impossibility of Collapse rests there.
The basic laws of Physics cannot be broken. Newton's 3 laws of motion and the Conservation of Momentum Law and the Conservation of Energy Law simply cannot be broken because the Government and the Government supporting Media propagandize to the contrary.
I believe a person needs a Physics background, who is able to apply the Laws of Physics, theoretically and/or mathematically, to truly understand what is going on with the mechanism of collapse. Only very powerful high temperature steel-cutting explosives can come close to explaining the total collapse of the WTC 1 and WTC 2.
If this conclusion is wrong, please add your comments to explain how and why it may be wrong. The collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2 were both initiated by explosives and were followed by hundreds of additional explosions moving floor by floor downwards until total collapse was accomplished...
Chuck Boldwyn, Retired Physics and Chemistry Teacher...9-29-08
It appears that a lot of part-time Government scientists will turn out to be labled "Quacks" or incompetents and will have destroyed thier credibility as Scientists. These scientists who support the "original Conspiracy Theory" of the Government have lost thier scientific face with the 911 Truth Movement Scientific community and other non-biased Scients throughout the world...
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