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31 Jan 2006 @ 01:08 by Neferteeti @220.238.146.223 : Denmark Vs Mohammad 31 Jan 2006 @ 01:27 by vibrani : It's alright for Muslims to demean non-Muslims any way and any time they choose, but not okay for a cartoon in a paper about them? Cry me a river. Can't wait to see Albert Brooks' new film about finding humor in Muslim countries. Think he found any? 31 Jan 2006 @ 01:38 by ming : Islam Well, I'm not going to say that it is the religion of Islam versus lots of other things. All the religions I'm aware of appear to be originally based on some fundamental principles which are nice and reasonable enough, including Islam. Where it goes wrong is much later in the chain, where interpretations of interpretations have been twisted around so much that some people believe some really wacko things, and, worse, that they're sure they're right about them. It still isn't any reason to condemn the whole subject. Some people might actually be able to think with it. 31 Jan 2006 @ 04:31 by vibrani : Unfortunately it is the wacko and twisted things that are the spokespeople/terrorists by and large for Islam. 31 Jan 2006 @ 07:56 by Mohammad Kanaan @212.77.203.246 : Denmark VS Mohammad Back in April of 2003, an EU public poll of 7500 EU citizens found that 59% of them feel that Israel is the biggest threat to world peace. The EU without hesitance intervened to condemn the Poll as anti-Jewish. I wonder why does freedom of speech is only brought up when the matter comes to insulting Islam and Muslims. Can that same Danish newspaper publish an article to allege that only 5 million Jews were killed during the Nazi Holocaust and not 6 million? Will anybody talk about freedom of speech then? I agree with you on one point: The Danes are free to publish or insult whoever they wish. We as Muslims are also free to purchase or not purchase the products we want. Its all about freedom isn't it?. My message to fellow Danes is: It was nice having you as friends for the past few decades. Now that you have insulted us for no reason and refused to apologize, we wouldn't want to hear from you again. 31 Jan 2006 @ 08:52 by jazzolog : Well Said Mohammad Kanaan I can't think of a single religion that would not feel offense if its God(s) or prophet(s) were depicted wearing a "funny hat." It may be an unfortunate trait in human character that I can make fun of my family...but you can't. Nevertheless here we are. Accepting slings and arrows seems to be a major hurdle on each path if humanity ever is to achieve Peace. But there's more: there's the act of apology. In the States we toss off apologies like farts and belches. On his weekly Le Show, humorist Harry Shearer presents a segment called Apologies Of The Week, in which he simply reads the assembled apologies by most Americans to each other that have made the news. His point, demonstrated one after the other, is that people here don't really apologize at all. Most of them say something like, "I am so sorry you misunderstood what I really meant," or "I am so sorry you took my comment out of context." In other words, it's really YOUR fault. How does that stuff go down in France and Denmark? We might also remember that when one group is under attack or attacking with troops and bombs, we tend to get in a little different state of sensitivity. We might even give up all our "rights" just to make the fear go away. 31 Jan 2006 @ 11:38 by ming : Insults >My message to fellow Danes is: It was nice having you as friends for the past few decades. Now that you have insulted us for no reason and refused to apologize, we wouldn't want to hear from you again. Now, that's where it gets wacky. There's around 5 million people in Denmark. All of them didn't insult all muslims because a newspaper printed some cartoon pictures of Mohammed. As a matter of fact, most of them were not involved at all. That handful of people who were probably didn't mean it as an insult to all muslims. But in case they somehow did, those would be the people to ask for an apology. And, seriously, if that's how deep your friendships go, it doesn't really count for much. Denmark, like most western countries, consists of individuals. Within the limits of the law, individuals are free to do what they're inspired to do, including to say or draw what they'd like to. If a newspaper publishes a drawing, it isn't because all Danes somehow had a conference and a vote and decided it was the thing to do. It is not gonna happen. Thinking that you need to punish "Danes" because a couple of them made a drawing that you didn't like is kind of like kicking your house because the mail is late, and then asking your neighbor for an apology. It is dumb, a lack of understanding of cause and effect and how things are connected together. And, no, that's not an insult against muslims, but a comment about bad reasoning. If somebody offends you, you might look for an apology. If they didn't offend you, they're not likely to apologize for doing so. >Can that same Danish newspaper publish an article to allege that only 5 million Jews were killed during the Nazi Holocaust and not 6 million? Will anybody talk about freedom of speech then? There you're probably right. That's a touchy subject all across Europe and in the U.S. and, yes, something you can't talk freely about without having a bunch of people accuse of of all sorts of things. That's unfortunate. In the U.S. the same goes for black people. Everybody's bending over backwards to not accidentally say something offensive, and if you do, you're suddenly a racist who's on the side of slavery and the holocaust. Anyway, I'm against generalizations based on race or religion. It isn't valid to say that ALL muslims are so-and-so, or that ALL black people do something-or-the-other. Of course there are certain traits or beliefs or behaviors that statistically will be exhibited by various groups. But that's very difficult to talk about, because somebody usually will jump to some universal generalization. Like, if somebody said something bad about some Jewish people, he's against Jews, or if some Danes offended some Muslims, then all Danes offend all Muslims, of if you think some particular black guy is dumb and lazy, you're being a racist who thinks blacks are dumb and lazy. Humans often have faulty mental circuitry when it comes to noticing the difference between one, two and everybody. Like, you noticed when that 59% survey came out, the Israeli government got very offended, called Europe anti-semitic, and asked for an apology and retraction. Which, again is a bizarrely crazy logic. It was a survey. It asked people their opinion on something, and they answered. You can't then go and ask these people's governments to take it back and apologize for their offense, because there wasn't any. That's what people answered, period. It wasn't an official message to Jewish people, it was some numbers tabulated from a survey. But it certainly should have told the Israeli government something about what they're doing, and nothing that has anything to do with their race or religion. 31 Jan 2006 @ 11:46 by Johan @83.88.252.162 : A word just a word from a dane, standing on the outside, watching this escalating. [link] 31 Jan 2006 @ 11:55 by ming : Denmark and Islam Thank you for that thoughtful posting, Johan. Yes, for a Dane it is confusing, strange, unexpected. Danes don't think like that, Danes don't respond to anything in any remotely similar fashion. Would Danes suddenly boycott Chinese goods if some Chinese cartoonist drew a picture of Queen Margrethe wearing a moustache? Of course not, it is totally mindnumbingly bizarre to imagine such a thing for a Dane. World views are colliding. 31 Jan 2006 @ 12:57 by vibrani : It is absurd to think Israel as the biggest threat to the world. Israel didn't create 9/11, nor does it teach and send terrorists around the world; planting bombs, as human bombs, blowing up anyone who isn't a Jew for god and then celebrating they've murdered someone. Muslims are the biggest world threat, say it like it is. From the Phillipines, to Indonesia, the Middle East, to Europe, everywhere. It was Muslims who were responsible for the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon; the Munich Olympics massacre; the Achille Lauro hijacking at sea; the Lod Airport shootings; countless foreign assassinations and murders of dissidents among his own ranks; the politically motivated airline hijacking; the cold-blooded killer of U.S. diplomats. Arab Muslims blew up hundreds of young Israelis going about their daily lives, and the luckily foiled plan to destroy Israel with the arms carried on the Karine-A. Do you recall 1970, when Arafat leading the PLO hijacked four civilian planes demanding that European governments release PLO terrorists from their prisons? After the Europe agreed, and the PLO agreed that the hostages would be released, the PLO blew up the planes. In 1972, alone, the PLO blew up a West German electricity plant, a Dutch gas plant and an oil refinery in Trieste, Italy; kill, in conjunction with the Japanese Red Army, 24 at Israel's Lod airport; and massacre 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics. In 1973, Black September took the American ambassador and his deputy (along with one Belgian diplomat) hostage in Sudan's capital, Khartoum, and, after President Nixon refused to negotiate, murdered them. This is the man who got a Nobel Peace Prize. Who blew up malls in many countries - Australia sure got a rude awakening recently? You might want to read this: [link] Who murders their own daughters simply because they don't want to marry someone, or because they want to be free? (Honor killings - hello!) Or, what about forced female genital mutilation in the name of Islam - to torture women, not allow them their natural right to have sex and enjoy it? Many women die from that barbaric surgery. Ask the Christians in Jerusalem who the biggest threat is. It isn't Jewish Israel. It is the Muslims. Islam does not mean "peace." It does mean "submission" or "surrender of one's will to the laws of Islam and Allah." Everyone who is not a Muslim is an infidel. Evoking the lesson of the Holocaust, Yad Vashem urged the international community to take immediate action to stop the mass murder going on in Sudan. The rare public warning issued by Israel's Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority calls on the world to "act before it is too late" and stop the slaughter going on in Sudan's western Darfur region, which "includes aspects of ethnic cleansing and perhaps even genocide." Yad Vashem (Israeli) urges world leaders to take immediate concerted action to halt the tragedy in Darfur before it devolves further, to provide effective humanitarian aid to the region and to punish the perpetrators of the heinous crimes that are being committed there," a press release issued Sunday read. Tens of thousands of black Africans have died in more than a year of violence that has turned into a systematic slaughter carried out by Arab militiamen in Darfur, a vast and remote region in western Sudan the size of Iraq. The United Nations estimates up to 30,000 people have been killed in the violence, although some analysts say that the death toll is in fact much higher. The fighting, which broke out 15 months ago, has forced over one million to flee their homes, while more than 2 million people are in desperate need of food and medicine. The violence erupted when two groups drawn from Darfur's African tribes took up arms over what they regard as unjust treatment by the government in their long-simmering struggle over land and resources with Arab countrymen. The Arab militias then began attacking the black Africans. The deadly African violence comes as the world marked 10 years since the 1994 Rwandan genocide where at least 500,000 and as many as 1,000,000 people were murdered in 100 days. "It is imperative that we learn the lesson from past failures to respond in time to evolving, genocidal evil," Yad Vashem said. "The red line for world response has to be much before a Holocaust or genocide, said the director of Yad Vashem's library, Dr. Robert Rozett. Since 2000, in Algiers, Algeria, twenty-five people, including a family of twelve, were killed in the past three days during a surge of violence in Algeria, where an Islamic insurgency continues to claim new lives on an almost daily basis, news reports said on Oct. 21. Arab militias in Sudan are gang-raping and abducting girls as young as eight and women as old as 80 in Lebanon, systematically killing, torturing, or using them as sex slaves. Who is talking genocide today? Iran, Muslims - against Israel and Jews. Those are only a few examples. So don't tell me it's Israel who is the greatest threat. What nonsense. Some people just can't face reality. 31 Jan 2006 @ 13:49 by jazzolog : By The Way Happy New Year. The Muslim World marks today Amun Jadid, the Islamic New Year. As the first day of the month of Muharram in the Hijrah year 1427, today marks the Hijrah in 622 CE when the Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) moved from Mecca to Medina and set up the first Islamic state. [link] 31 Jan 2006 @ 22:01 by D.D. @80.197.50.163 : My own personal Fatwa. Today I learned that muslim rebels in Iraq have issued a Fatwa against the Danish troops who are there as Denmark’s contribution to the Coalition. This shouldn’t really surprise anyone, as the issuing of Fatwas seems to be the standard answer to anything the muslims don’t like. In honour of this latest Fatwa I have taken it upon myself to issue a Fatwa of my own. I hereby decree that due to my blatantly apparent moral and ethical superiority to the Islamic extremists the following orders shall be carried out. All Danish companies shall hire muslims only to carry out the most demeaning and trivial of tasks, and only if such tasks are rewarded with a low salary. All Danish Universities and places of higher learning shall only accept one in a hundred muslims, and let even fewer graduate. The Danish Police and Danish Courts shall arrest and convict muslims in such a number as to make them disproportionately represented in the various crime statistics (Sometimes by a ratio so disproportionate that they will be more than 1000 times more likely to commit certain crimes than native Danes) The Danish Population shall treat muslims with contempt wherever they encounter them, leaving them to feel isolated both socially and economically. So let it be written, so let it be done. My every command shall be carried out. Wow, my Fatwa is already working…. 1 Feb 2006 @ 02:42 by vibrani : The sane voice of Islam please read my log about Sheik Palazzi, as he is the sane and balanced, healthy voice of Islam. Unfortunately, Muslims like Palazzi are a minority. But maybe if more people learn about him things can change. [link] 1 Feb 2006 @ 05:59 by ashanti : Uhhh, Ming..... You opened this can of worms. :-) You state: "Anyway, I'm against generalizations based on race or religion" "Humans often have faulty mental circuitry when it comes to noticing the difference between one, two and everybody." and then later you say: "Danes don't think like that, Danes don't respond to anything in any remotely similar fashion" ALL Danes????? Ooops. What about Muslim Danes? And does that mean ALL Muslim Danes? What about individual Muslim Danes? Just adding some parmesan (partisan) to the semantic spaghetti. :-) I do agree with you that the prime cause of conflict in our world is the inability to a) even comprehend viewpoints other than one's own b) tolerate different viewpoints, so long as they are not harmful and destructive to others/the planet/the universe. - ashanti 1 Feb 2006 @ 06:34 by Mohammad Kanaan @212.77.203.246 : Happy new year to all > Now, that's where it gets wacky. There's around 5 million people in Denmark. All of them didn't insult all muslims because a newspaper printed some cartoon pictures of Mohammed.... Those cartoons were published 4 months ago, the real fury by Muslims came only recently when a public poll in Denmark showed that 79% felt that an apology is NOT in order and when the prime minister refused even to meet with a Danish Muslim delegation. To me it felt that the whole country approves of it and this is when I started to feel that Danish butter doesn't taste as good any more. Our goal is not to punish anybody, its about psychology: When you go to a shop to buy goods and the person doesn't respect you, you walk away. > There you're probably right. That's a touchy subject all across Europe and in the U.S. and, yes, something you can't talk freely about without having a bunch of people accuse of of all sorts of things. What many people are failing to appreciate is that you have your own touchy subjects that you don't allow people to talk about and we Muslims have our own. How convenient it is to stop people from talking about your touchy subjects while feel the right to insult and slander others. My comment about the EU poll of Israel was not intended to bring the subject into this forum. All I was trying to highlight is the hypocrisy of the Danish and EU positions when they make claims about unlimited freedom of speech on one hand and then they meet to condemn a public poll of their own citizens. 1 Feb 2006 @ 08:55 by Ali @80.84.141.91 : Oh God Bless our prophet Mohammad Oh God Bless our prophet Mohammad That's so shamed on Denmark to do something like that. 1 Feb 2006 @ 11:11 by Kim @80.161.98.52 : Selective... Mohammad Kanaan. You take things out of context to promote your own case. The poll consisted of 1.000 people. And over 50% said, that they understood, why Muslims were upset, because the pictures were offending. The poll where 79% didnt felt an apology was in order, was because the Muslims want it from the Government. Almost 50% thought it had to come from the newspaper, who publiced the cartoons. Why should the danish people and the danish Government apologize for something, we havent done. The Danish can and shall not interfere with the freedom of expression. Its up to the danish court to decide if the newspaper has gone to far. Not the government. 1 Feb 2006 @ 11:40 by Hanan Taha @196.202.86.251 : clearing a point Mohammed Kanaan...Thank you, You've made a clear point :hypocrisy of the Danish and EU positions when they make claims about unlimited freedom of speech on one hand and then they meet to condemn a public poll of their own citizens. This is exactly the situation as every nation has its own sensitive issue which is being refused to talk about in an offensive way. We love Prophet Mohammed ( Peace be upon him) more than our own families and when you love someone,you refuse any offense to him. This is not a situation of punishment as it is as a blame ( a general blame ). everything has limits , even the free speech, and this is one of the limits.You can critisize terrorists as being a bunch of psychic people , but don't relate them to whole muslims and the muslims' prophet because they call themselves muslims.We even despise them as you do. what Jylland Posten did is exactly the generalization that you hate. 1 Feb 2006 @ 12:22 by ming : Generalizing Ashanti, you're right. I noticed the self-contradiction after I posted it, but decided to leave it as-is. Can I generalize about Danish people, while saying that it is wrong to generalize about Danish people? I suppose where I usually feel alright about generalizing about a group of people is where it is in a fairly positive setting, and an attempt of understanding the sort of group consciousness in some area. So, I might happily say that Danish people do this, and French people do that, because this is how they think, etc. The trouble would start if, hahah, I generalize my generalization. I.e. if I actually expect ALL Danish or French people to think and do exactly like I said. And I would try to either fault all of them for doing so, or I would fault somebody for not being like they're supposed to, according to my generalization. So, we might learn something by synthesizing what a "Dane" is like, or what a "Muslim" is like. And an insurance company can calculate how a "Female Driver" behaves. All of which might provide some reasonable predictions if one is dealing with many people. But which is utterly useless in making a reliable prediction for an individual. And which becomes the cause of injustice, hate and wars when applied unthinkingly to ALL of that category, and used to condemn them. Generalizations can be useful for understanding complex situations, but become a source of insanity when we run them backwards, and insist that the world must conform to our generalizations, or else. 1 Feb 2006 @ 12:58 by Ahmed Fakhroo @82.194.62.23 : Danes sick joke - freedom of speech Mohammad Kanaan style of superb argument is a reflection of a very Muslim civilized person thinking who must speak truth in accordance with the Islamic teachings. However, What I couldn’t understand is why the Danish paper picked up on the greatest character humanity has borne such as Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him) to poison the relations amongst Danes Muslim & Non-Muslim population, in particular, and the Danes and the Muslim population of the world in general. It was a very vicious, offensive move to say the least. Further, why was it the Prophet (PBUH) who died 14 centuries ago? If the paper has its own agenda against Muslims; she could have chosen any of the present Muslim Leaders or/ celebrities and attacked or/ ridiculed him as she wished. Why the Prophet (PBUH) in particular, and not one of the contemporary characters who are in hundreds. That was not a sheer coincidence. It was a conspiracy without doubt. The freedom of speech is no longer marketable merchandise. This was in evidence when President Bush and his gang killed the Al-Jazira correspondents as well as trying to bomb their Studio Headquarter in Doha. Freedom of speech is a cheap game well-played by the West and was believed by the naive people, but nowadays, it is worthless in any bazaar in the Arab & Muslim Worlds. 1 Feb 2006 @ 17:11 by Faisal @82.123.38.3 : Amazing! A European poll which pointed to Israel as a threat was heavily protested and debated and discredited by its detractors. Cartoons of Israelis (who are technically at war with Arabs) in the Arab press are heavily protested and we never hear the end of it. Any negative depiction of a Jew in any media anywhere in western europe would get you in serious trouble, possilbly even jailed, even for debating the holocaust! And you want Muslims to NOT protest the riddiculing of their prophet?! Clear hypocricy and double standard on your part, oh civilised west. We keep hearing day-in-day-out about how terrible and evil anti-semitism is. You all know, and you alwyays try to lecture Muslims, that free speech must be responsible, and inflamatory material must be banned. Then you turn around and you do this. And now you say we dont have the right to NOT buy Danish or be insulted! Amazing. Simply amazing. 1 Feb 2006 @ 17:28 by anyone @83.253.16.163 : most people think Ahmed Fakthroo: What would you do if a newspaper in saudi-arabia or other muslim-nation draw a caricature of buddah or in some way offended other religions than islam ? And newspapers had polls that showed that 80% of the population think that an apology is not in order. By the way the poll wasn't about if the publication of the cartoon was right thing to do. It was about if it is right to apoligies for it. Non-muslims would say danish people fight for their freedom of speech/press and not to offend islam. But muslims would defend themsleves and think the opposite. But I guess it's a question of interest and value. I don't intend to offend anyone but for me the value of freedom of speech/press is far more important than any prophet or god. Mohammad Kanaan: It is true what you say about psychologi, but what if you would find out that 80% of all people in non-muslim countries wouldn't give a rats-ass about muslims. Would you stop all import from those countries and go back to stone-age. I follow a religion called FuckAllOtherReligionsInTheirAssHole. It's simple it only got two rules. first holy rule: If anyone offends this religion, kill them. second holy rule: Fuck all religions, fuck mohamed, fuck jesus, fuck moses, fuck buddha and all gods, godess, prophets, priest, priestess, icons and such up their pretty asses. Now I fight my right of free religion. 1 Feb 2006 @ 19:11 by keith manheck @24.147.41.86 : muhammed caricatures I still haven't seen these cartoons that have gotten these Mulims in such a snit.Personally if it were any of the other main religions, all you would get is complaints. It always seems to be Muslims and their backward thinking religion(yes I said it!!)who espouse violence agaist so many others. This planet would be so much better off without their fundamentalist views(the same here in the US with Christian fundies)If these animals want a Jihad, so be it!! I would much rather see the elimination of this cancer on civilization. We need to preserve civilization as we know it. If 1 billion need to be eliminated to protect the remaining 5 billion so be it!!Harsh, I'll admit,but we may be dealing with the survival of humanity here.(This should relly raise some hackles) 1 Feb 2006 @ 20:37 by Daniel @80.88.153.206 : comment Muslems feel that there is nothing wrong in wishing death to others (Aka "death to America" & now "death to Denmark") or burning up the symbol of sovereignty of others (witness the flag burning in the picture above). It is funny to think that only muslims have feelings that can be hurt. They wish death to other people and burn their flags and they think they have not hurt those peoples feelings. The issue in hand is that some western papers have made carricatures of mohammad and hence by implication Allah. That in the Muslim world is blasphemy. Now if Allah is all that powerful, muslims should allow Allah to bring wreak vengence on the sinners, after all there is something call "judgement day". For a muslim to come out and fight on behalf of Allah is an insult to Allah. Allah is all-powerfull, all-knowing and all-seeing. To come out and kill on his behalf shows that the muslim does not believe in Allah, he believes that his Allah is a powerless weakling who can not defend himself, it probably shows that his Allah does not exist. So my advise to muslims is that you hurt and alliniate more people out there by chanting "death to them" and burning their flags which is the symbol of their freedom and sovereignty, afterall the caricatures were made not of Muslims but of their eternally living Allah who should be perfectly capable of dealing with those that sinned against him! 1 Feb 2006 @ 21:09 by Daniel @80.88.153.206 : Further comments I would like to point out that the decline of Christianity among western nations came about because of a worse stance taken by christian leaders during the middle ages (or is it thae dark ages?). During the period of inquisitition, centuries ago, blasphemy was a crime punishable by death. The laws were so draconian and harsh that to merely believe that the earth was round and not flat was to invite being quickly burned at the stake. The man who first translated the bible from latin to English (William Tindale, i believe) was promptly burnt at the stakes. Galileo escaped death by confessing that he made an error in his science theories about the earth being round. Of course for any religion to believe that other peoples expressions is a blasphemy is to be in the path of decline like Christian doctrines of centuries ago. Muslims should believe that their Allah is perfectly capable of dealing with those who blapheme agaist him. To insist otherwise is to be like the inquisition leaders of the dark ages. Only a religion in decline will haunt others for not believing in it and insisting that its ways are the only right ways. If Muslims insist on imposing their will not only in their suppressive countries but also in the free countries of others, then it is only a matter of time before they are cast in the dustbin of history wherein lies the doctrine of the inquisitors of the dark ages. Change is a must and would come even if it's casualties are dark-age religions like islam! 1 Feb 2006 @ 21:55 by ming : Offense It is probably true that if a Danish newspaper published a collection of cartoons about Jews in gas chambers, the uproar would probably have forced the prime minister to end up apologizing. Even if it still didn't have anything to do with him or the Danish government. There's hypocrisy. So, I can understand if Muslims would feel that they have as much right to be offended as anybody else. And they do. My issue is with the wrongful targetting and mis-assignment of responsibility. It was probably dumb of the newspaper to do what they did. Denmark has a Muslim population too, and they should have known that it would deeply offend a bunch of people, whether they have a right to publish cartoons or not. But it still isn't something that the Danish government could have prevented or hindered, or that they have any kind of authority to prevent or hinder or forbid. The Danish society just isn't based on that kind of control, and that's a good thing. The whole thing offends my sense of logic. If a company does something you don't like, by all means boycott it, and express your anger. If a government does something you don't like, speak out against it, demonstrate, or whatever. But try to pick the right target. If a journalist does something you don't like, you can maybe hold the newspaper responsible. You can maybe hold a company responsible that owns that newspaper. But you can't reasonably hold everybody with the same nationality responible. Not their government either, when nothing illegal or even out of the ordinary took place. You have a right to your own religion. You have a right to believe things that some others might find really bizarre. You might reasonably expect others to treat your beliefs with respect when they're interacting with you. But you have no right to force others to not offend you. In particular, you have no right to demand that other people with other beliefs have to act according to yours back in their own territory. 1 Feb 2006 @ 22:48 by IslamIsDying @212.33.117.227 : ........ Im an arab christian, living in the town of bethlehem, which is considered the birth of christianity. As most of you know, Islam makes about 90% of the population here, And let me tell you, it's like living in a farm full of pigs. 1st of all, Vibrani thank you.....You're the only one that stated the truth here, Islam is the source os terror, and i'm telling you this from experience, because i live with them "pigs" everyday. Just 2 days ago, 3 muslims attacked a christian grocer and robbed his store, and a week before that, another gang of muslims burned down a christian family's house just because they live in a muslim neighberhood. Jesus christ said that no other prophets will come after him, and that if someone does come then he is a fake, well, mohammed came after jesus, and made a religion based on sex ! The prophet married over 30 women and slept with a different woman each night, and yet muslims makes their girls wear the "hijab" which is the peace of cloth on their heads and even force them not to have sex ever ?? Give me a break. I'm sure some of you think i made this up, well what can i say, you're not living where i am.....because where i'm living you will become a racist no matter what you do..... they steal your land and murder your women and children for the name of "allah", How the f*ck can god say go and murder christians enlightened by my son jesus) in my name??? You tell me Btw sorry for my lousy english :S 1 Feb 2006 @ 22:57 by IslamIsDying @212.33.117.227 : Forgot something I forgot to say that there is NOTHING wrong with those drawings, this is how the world sees islam, a bunch of ugly terrorists going around killing people and then going to celebrate...freakin' barbarics. As for christian arabs living among these pigs, what can i say, americans and europeans see us as terrorists, which we are not, and israelis see us as palestinians, and muslims say us as kafirs( non muslims that should be killed)....and more than that, these ugly terrorists are stealing our land, we are truly the ones that are hurting the most from this :| 1 Feb 2006 @ 23:07 by IslamIsDying @212.33.117.227 : 1 last thing 1 more thing. Even though palestinians are at war with israelis, I have to admit israel is not doing anything wrong, it's those muslim creeps that go around blowing up women with their little kids that are jumping around harmlessly in a toy store, us christians here dont have anything against israel, and israel knows that. About 6 months ago a muslim raped a christian girl here, and a very big fight happenned after it between muslims and christians, and let me tell you, israeli jeeps and soldiers were one kilometer away just in case us christians needed any help, because they know the hell we are living in. So next time you say israel is wrong, think again, Israel is just a country trying to defend it's children from ugly bastards that threaten to kill them. 1 Feb 2006 @ 23:59 by shaman sayari @212.138.47.24 : I am prepared to discuss an anybody. The Islam and the prophet Mohammad brought the beauties of the moralities and the best. We had been cautious of Mohammad he interdicted the abuse of the other and if she was not ethereal and if she was invalide. Did he become definite why? So that they don't revile the God and the Islam. I believe in a judaism and the christianity. As that I believe hinder Isa Christ build Myriam the virgin mary is Prophet. You had annoyed me very very when I looked at this horn from the sarcasm by prophet from prophets of the God. If he is not capable of his latent spite hiding on Islam then in the less circumstances he honors the god. This portraits had brought forth a far too much reaction at the Moslems throughout the world. There a More than intimate of a conceded million change the world. Is she/you believing in they will remind how well they are received by this offense? I fear to be separated from them the extremists they fear you because of your extremism. I are not been honored but become necessary to be educated put off for each deed of an adverse reaction. I look at the solver of an America I/she/you went to extremes and was self-important on states of the deliverers Israel contributed to her obscurities and its aggression and the killing of the Palestines. She/you takes the nuclear weapon away from Iran she/you guides him to Israel! Alice this extremism? He was for her deed this I/you walked about a deed then I/she/you roved in her house's barrenness. A now eked out a living New York in fright doesn't know him previously. I return and I return that not I break. If I/you was I break that I/she/you began my talk tactfully and a nice style indeed a sir and apostolic Mohammad commissions me with that as what I/you pointed out previously. The sarcasm by the prophets never she/you is greater than the world except a misery and an unhappiness and a struggle. Then who Prophet insulted Mohammad then as if leave the god. The invitation of the expression freedom doesn't permit the abuse of the messengers the vineyardist. By amicable O sir that fulfill? Why? the Islam always resists this runner westerly? Why? don't discuss a matter of the Nazi crematory for the Jews? And that the freedom of the expression stops that!!. As soon as her debater and trying her realities's uncovering considers from forbidden in the west!!. He resists who argues with her to pursuit of the judgement the returns Semite!!. Where did they call you in freedom of the expression? This matter an abuse is not in her for the messengers and the religions but he told my history a teller he needs a search and a study. I appeal to you to look for the shelves Mohammad from the original resorts. He granted how a delay to the Islam he is deployed through the west without a bullet to free an one. This guideline however the Islam is the debt of moralities , the noble deed , a truth , an abstinence and an impartiality. I search I read and conclude that by its breath. I look at the world around you well and not she/you lies to the same of your. I terminate my letter with a phrase ( you take a brain in possession she/you distinguishes between the right by him and the error ). It makes me happy to receive your reply shortly. 2 Feb 2006 @ 00:06 by some one can accept others @213.178.255.6 : What's wrong Free mind force every one to respet others sacred ideas ... When you insult the others sacred ideas ...that's not a free mind that's chaos Burning Denmark flag is an act of anger not intend to insult chrisitianity When you burn Saudi Arabia flag you are burning the flag of that country ... not the flag of Islam We must respect each other weather we were Muslim or Chrisitian or jewish ...since we all pray for the same god... and who insult Islam is not christian or jewish Becuase who insult Islam is the able to insult jewish ... we thought that we get rid of that stupid ideas againest jewish but now Islam... What's wrong with you Europe...can't you accept another relegion ...learn from America.. May the god be with you all... Viva for All Jewish Christian and Muslim ... 2 Feb 2006 @ 00:44 by ming : Communication It obviously is hard to communicate, when one speaks different languages, when one looks at the world in very different ways, and when one feels justified in regarding the people who see it differently as pigs or terrorists, or whatever. Let me point out that we're all human. And despite differences on how we think, there is no general group of people that are all bad, evil, wrong, or whichever words you apply to it. They're all made of the same stuff as you are. As to whether Europe can accept another religion - Europe generally isn't very religious. Most European countries pride themselves of being distanced from religion, ruled by reason and democracy. You don't find government leaders who invoke God to back up their authority like in the U.S. On the contrary, you'll find most European countries to be very resistant to any attempt from religion to dictate what people should do. Because, again, they're democracies. To invoke the word of God can be an effective way of manipulating masses of people into obeying you without argument. You set yourself up as God's chosen person or people or class of people, and then you interpret what God's saying, and you tell everybody else what to do, pretending that it is God doing it. It is the oldest crowd control trick in the book. It is a phoney, cowardly thing to do, but it works. Priests and popes and inquisitors and writers and rewriters and interpretors of holy books have done it for millennia. I'd say God can speak for him/her/it-self, and is. Anybody can listen. Anybody can speak for it. Nothing that needs to be protected, other than weak human ideas that don't stand the light of day. 2 Feb 2006 @ 00:56 by vibrani : ahhahaha oh that's funny, Ming. 2 Feb 2006 @ 01:20 by bushman : Agree I dont need some religion, telling me whats right and wrong, I can hear the Creator just fine. Intresting comments. :} 2 Feb 2006 @ 07:31 by Mohammad Kanaan @212.77.203.246 : Some thoughts on the subject Kim: I don't take things out of context. 79% felt that the government shouldn't apologize. 62% (which is still a large majority) felt that even the newspaper shouldn't apologize. We are not asking 5 million people to apologize; we are asking the government to intervene to prevent such offenses just like they would have done if the Holocaust was mentioned. An apology of the newspaper is enough for me. I also would like to apologize for burning the Danish Flag. It is not a Muslim trait to return an offense with an offense. Those who are reacting out of anger would have done us a lot more good had they limited their reaction to peaceful protest and boycott. Kieth Manheck: I would rather keep my backward thinking religion than adopt your humanity saving, 21st Century, progressive thoughts of Genocide and extermination. BTW, the Nazi Party of Germany has the top spot vacant since 1945. If I were u, I would throw my resume. Only you would make your predecessor look pale and less ambitious. Islamisdying: Even though this is not the subject of this forum, I have to say that if you are truly a Palestinian living in Ramallah and not an Israeli posing as a Palestinian Christian, then you are alone in your own society. I have tens of Palestinian Christian friends. They all despise the Israeli occupation as much as I do. Read the news. Time and time again, Palestinian Christian leaders like Hanan Ashrawi, Azmi Beshara, the Late Edward Saeed, Clovis Maqsood has repeatedly condemned the Israeli occupation and praised the excellent relations between Christians and Muslims in the Holly Land. The people who steel the land are the Israeli settler thugs who have stolen the lands of thousands of Palestinian -Christian and Muslim- citizens. As per the Israeli government laws, those settlers are allocated 10 times the water of the land than the Palestinians. They enjoy their personal swimming pools while the Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) have to rationalize drinking water. The Israeli solution to this problem was to uproot Palestinian Olive trees so they would not need as much water. Ming: I want to thank you for trying to keep this forum to its original subject. I also appreciate your responsible unbiased thoughts. Everyone on this earth adopt a set of values. Some choose pre-packaged ones like Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists,.. while others feel the need to choose freely. The important thing here is to respect everyone's right to choose his own set of beliefs and not to demonize, insult, or pre-judge a person for selecting one set of beliefs over another. I respect Europe's right to be or not be religious. I would defend your freedom to choose your beliefs as I am sure you would defend mine. 2 Feb 2006 @ 08:51 by Infinitynexus @82.192.160.50 : This is going straight to oblivion I stand and simply wait for the day where the last of humanity dies.. and I will smile.. And die happily knowing that its the end and there wont be any more of our idiocy 2 Feb 2006 @ 09:23 by dane @83.91.18.2 : drawings as a dane i think the past years discussions about muslims in dk have been very bad espcially from the right-wing parties, that´s probably why some muslims in dk felt they needed back-up for their views elsewhere. and they got what they wanted and even more so.... now they seem like they regret it, as the pm probably regrets not taking a more serious stand in this case earlier. Anyway i think it is scary that thousands of people in the middleeast look like they want to start a war because of 12 drawings. and i think that we can not give any more excuses than we did - muslims should´t expect non-muslims to follow muslims laws; 1,5 years ago a teacher at the university of cph was beaten up very badly because he read from the koran without being muslim, this is a misunderstanding of freedom. Noone should control my mind, i can say and mean what i want, unless i harm other people, and it is up to the independent legal system to judge weather i have done so. I think the pm in dk is an asshole, but i´m glad i live in a country where i can say that... 2 Feb 2006 @ 09:54 by Ahmed Fakhroo @82.194.62.23 : Quran Teachings To He or/ She: anyone @83.253.16.163 : most people think Our Quran explicitly forbids us from reviling other religions or/ their gods as stated in the Al-An’am Sura or/ chapter, copied below for ease of refernce : Al-An'am (The Cattle) [6:108] "Wala tasubboo allatheena yadAAoona min dooni Allahi fayasubboo Allaha AAadwan bighayri AAilmin kathalika zayyanna likulli ommatin AAamalahum thumma ila rabbihim marjiAAuhum fayunabbiohum bima kanoo yaAAmaloona". Translation is as follows: 6:108 Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest they out of spite revile Allah in their ignorance. Thus have We made alluring to each people its own doings. In the end will they return to their Lord, and We shall then tell them the truth of all that they did. I just wonder whether the Danish Law allows their press either to demean the royal families of Europe or/ tribute the Hitler regime Nazi. I will be very much interested to be enlightened on the so called Europe “freedom of speech’. It is a phony baloney episode. 2 Feb 2006 @ 10:53 by Daniel @192.171.3.126 : The originals??? Where the fuck can I find the original caricarures ??? I want to laugh, too !!! 2 Feb 2006 @ 11:06 by Daniel @192.171.3.126 : Question "BTW, the Nazi Party of Germany has the top spot vacant since 1945. "(quoted) Sorry I'm from Germany and I don't know what BTW is or means ??? Can you help, Mohammad Kanaan ??? What do you know about NAZI parties in Germany ?? Still the picture around the world GERMAN = NAZI. Let's draw some caricatures about this topic! We promise not to be insulted and have a good laugh... 2 Feb 2006 @ 11:10 by trj @212.149.219.73 : reality check European royal families get made fun off by the press on a daily basis. Obvioulsy the european freedom of expression is not perfect (nothing in the world ever is) but it is pretty close to it. As europeans we should also realize that muslims have or at least should have the freedom to express themselves just the same as we do. To burn a flag or boycott products. However violance and bomb threats is taking it too far. It's absolutely absurd to expect everyone in the world to avoid talking about subjects that might be considered too sensitive by someone. 2 Feb 2006 @ 12:21 by dane @83.91.18.2 : drawings we have nazis in dk - they run for the elections, but they don´t really get many votes. we believe it is better to let their stupid arguments be met in the open room, instead of pushing them out into "illegal" subcultures. We also have hitz-ub-tahrir, which is forbidden in many muslim and non-muslim countries, and i think many kurds are happy that we allow their critic radiostation, although both turkey and the us want us to forbid it, what is the pm´s reaction to that? the same as to the drawings - "i can´t do anything", same when the russians wanted us to close down a conference for Chechnya. The queen, pm and others are often made fun of. The freedom of speach is not unlimited, and the interpretation of it in the west is sometimes marked by doublestandarts. But it is also under pressure many places around the world, and if these drawings should be forbidden what is the next - the ones who made them should be punished? how? By the way if muslims care so much not harming other peoples religious feelings, then where was the outrage in the muslim world when taliban blew up 50 tall, ancient buddhastatues in afghanistan? 2 Feb 2006 @ 14:59 by IslamIsDying @212.33.117.227 : Quran bullshit Ahmed Fakhroo, Wtf are you saying? Non-muslims don't have to follow your bullshit rules....and there is nothing you can do about it, islam is pure bullshit, a religion based on sex and killing, how the fuck do you call this a religion?? 2 Feb 2006 @ 18:16 by Pontus Sweden @83.249.58.199 : Freedom THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop crying out about all bad that happens to pooor muslims. Still the truth is that most bad to muslims is done by muslims. THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT AT CARTOON IN A NEWSPAPER. LIKE IT OR DONT READ IT. DONT START A WAR. 2 Feb 2006 @ 18:32 by vibrani : Here's today's news on this GAZA CITY — Armed militants angered by a cartoon drawing of the Prophet Muhammad published in European newspapers surrounded EU offices in Gaza on Thursday and threatened to kidnap foreigners as outrage over the caricatures spread across the Islamic world. More than 300 students demonstrated in Pakistan, chanting "Death to France!" and "Death to Denmark!" — two of the countries where newspapers published the drawings. Other protests were held in Syria and Lebanon, while officials in Afghanistan, Iran and Indonesia condemned the publication. In Paris, the daily France Soir fired its managing editor after it ran the caricatures Wednesday. A Jordanian newspaper took the bold step of running some of the drawings, saying it wanted to show its readers how offensive the cartoons were, although its editor also said he did not want "to promote such blasphemy." In an editorial, it also urged the world's Muslims to "be reasonable." 2 Feb 2006 @ 18:33 by vibrani : Daniel btw stands for "by the way." Sort of like a propos. 2 Feb 2006 @ 19:49 by Ed Knight @67.83.218.158 : 4,000 year old problems Oooh. Ow. I've got a 2,000 year old prolem. My God makes ME wear an extremely silly hat and gets offended at the the insinuation that someone elses idea of a silly hat is so insulting or hilarious. Ooh that hat gets me so MAD!.And don't even get me started on the subject of sacred sand. That gets me angry as well. Does God truly give a rip about anybody's hat, sand,or diet? Enough allready. Go to bed, children, and apologize to your brothers for arguing about hats and sand. Christ sakes. 2 Feb 2006 @ 20:09 by Andrius Kulikauskas @193.219.5.34 : Comparing apples with apples Flemming, Good to hear you speak and see all the comments you've evoked! And I'm especially glad to hear from Mohammad Kanaan. I follow Christ, but I think that we in Europe should do a better job of trying to understand others' point of view. To us Mohammed is perhaps simply a man and so it's simply a caricature. But to Muslims he is a Prophet of God and he is not depicted at all. So a proper comparison might be to a caricature of Christ on the cross, perhaps with a missile peeking out from under his loin cloth. European newspapers tend not to carry such caricatures because, I think even Denmark, such a means of expression is considered off limits, not helpful, not relevant. Every culture has such sensitive areas and its easy to miss our own. I think that is a big part of the hurt for intelligent Muslims - why do Danes (arguably the most exemplary culture in the West) take their own soft spots for granted, but don't afford that same sensitivity to Muslims. I imagine it is the Muslims who want to be understood as part of Western society who feel the most betrayed. Because Western society is not big enough to be sensitive to their soft spots, nor to admit its own. And this goes on and on and on. Movements and regions (like Iran or Hamas) are condemned as terrorists without any interest in their democratic sides, whereas autocratic regimes (as in Pakistan or Egypt) are considered important allies, even when, as in the case of Pakistan, their autocracy lead to the spread of more weapons of mass production than Saddam Hussein might ever dream of. Or the World Trade Center towers are not considered as legimitate targets even when clearly they were important centers of power in the West, whereas the people who die because they happened to be hit by a cruise missile intended for terrorists shouldn't have been where they were. I think the battle of mindsets has to do with whether Islam or the West is big enough to include both or whether it is creating a rift. And the West is losing the most important people - the independent thinking Muslims - who are the key to overcoming that rift. The West ought to be sensitive to their sensitivities - as it is to its own, yet doesn't admit it. Mohammad, I invite you to join one or more of our working groups at our Minciu Sodas laboratory [link] for independent thinkers, we are trying to reach out to Islamic independent thinkers. Peace. 2 Feb 2006 @ 21:26 by ming : Dialogue Thank you for that, Andrius. Yes, what it takes is sensitive dialogue. And, yes, it should be important particularly to have a dialogue with Islamic independent thinkers. It is a difficult thing to work out how to be sensitive to each other's sensitive spots. What I personally think is useful is to go a bit deeper, to recognize what principle might be under the various beliefs or rules we live by. Like a rule against idolatry in some religion. One should be able to look slightly deeper and grasp what the point of it is. Which, I would guess, would be that one shouldn't worship the picture of something or someone, but rather deal with the real thing. Like, maybe, that Mohammed didn't want his picture to be worshipped. So, the offense would be to worship his picture and forget Allah, I suppose. Not that there's really any inherent huge problem in pictures. But I can't write the dialogue for everybody, of course. The point is to explore together how one might communicate with mutual respect, despite any kind of negative baggage that gets in the way. 2 Feb 2006 @ 21:54 by france-in-it-too-now @86.195.125.69 : Your laws are not our laws Some basic points: - depicting the prophet, and other such prohibitions apply to Muslims. In the name of what should it apply to non-muslims? If buddhist respect cows, should we all refrain from eating beef? - France has been very supportive of muslims, especially palestinians. The reactions I have witnessed in Cisjordania against Christian democraties are shocking. Palestine is very isolated now that it has elected Hamas. Treating its very few last "allies" or at least defenders like shit is so naive, it is touching. - We opposed war in Iraq for reasons that can be debated . Mostly it was considered that you don't bring freedom through war. We opposed countries like Danemark on that occasion. Today, my free mind makes me support fully Danemark. We must be able to use caricature and satire in any case, and not comply to rules that do not apply to us. - All freeman not enslaved into mad thinking has a duty to refuse to apologize for using his right of speech, expression, press, etc. Here is the link to the drawings: please circulate [link] 2 Feb 2006 @ 21:58 by france-in-it-too @86.195.125.69 : or is it hinduists? You will have corrected if wrong, lol 2 Feb 2006 @ 22:21 by AnIranianWoman @164.57.112.10 : Thank You Andrius It is nice to hear reasonable arguments from reasonable people no matter what their religious inclinations are. Thank you for trying to look at both sides of the issue. I am originally from Iran although I have not lived there for the past 21 years. I along with most Iranians would welcome establishment of democracy in Iran, although we would like it to be of the home-grown kind without any (and I mean any) involvement of other countries and powers. In our collective memory each time a foreign power sat foot in Iran with, it resulted in utter disaster for the general Iranian population and Iran’s sovereignty was diminished. (Removal of the democratic Mossadegh’s government by the aid of the CIA’s coup in 1953) Most Iranians would like to have nuclear technology for peaceful purposes as the oil will run out in 20 or so years. If this aim (Nuclear power plant) is illegal, please somebody make it illegal in the United Nations charter so that Iran would stop that activity. Back to the issue of running cartoons of the Messenger, although I find it offensive, it makes me sad instead of angry. First of all, I don't get angry because I believe that what a person does will return to them. For example, if I choose profanity to hurt anyone at all, not to mention anyone's sacred people or belief, I have hurt my own soul more than causing pain to the intended target. God, in my opinion, is simply beyond being hurt by comments or actions of people. What gets hurt is the soul of the individual aiming to hurt God. By the same token, if one believes in the exalted position of a person such as the Messenger, then there is no amount of insult that can hurt the Messenger. So I am not angry. Instead, I am sad that people choose to use languages other than respectful towards those whom they do not understand or don't care to understand just because they seem to be too different from them. In my opinion it simply hurts them more. It doesn’t matter if a Moslem or a non-Moslem is using such tactics. Insult, no matter who is issuer is wrong. Also, Insult is not something defined by the issuer of the insult. If I said that, “calling me by a particular name is an insult to me, please don’t use that reference to call me”, I would expect a reasonable person would abide by it. No matter what my reasons are, I should be allowed a simple courtesy that is requested. I may be crazy to think that the particular name is an insult to me, but I do and I have made my condition known in advance. If that courtesy is not granted to me, I have the right to cut relations with the issuer of the insult as my request was not met in kind. You may say that you have the right to insult me. To which, my response would be that you are simply acting rude and beyond the norm of a civilized person. Similarly, this is an issue with a general sensitivity of a religion. It has been known, that depiction of the Messenger is insulting to Moslems. Now, what would be the reason to invoke such an insult other than to be rude? This is not an issue of freedom of speech. This is an issue of lack of consideration. 2 Feb 2006 @ 22:29 by Isac @82.214.0.220 : W/e I will probably never even check this thread again. Who really wants to support fundamentalists freedom of speech? Will the idiots who's offended bomb denmark? Doesn't that prove they were right? 3 Feb 2006 @ 04:57 by Alex @65.93.156.23 : liberty of expression fuck Mohamed... I have the right to say what I want and I assume. F-U-C-K M-O-H-A-M-E-D Why going against free speech? nobody will touch my right. I will fight for it! 3 Feb 2006 @ 07:36 by BLACKBOY @155.232.250.35 : let he who is without sin cast the first Let this GO already. A Muslim surrenders/submits to the will of Allah, not a Dane. The Danish have the right to offend whoever the Danish want without their government apologising. I did not hear the muslim world apologising for 9/11 or the london bombings or the bombings in innocent Kenya. I do not hear the muslim world apologising for the continued enslavement of black people in SUDAN. boycottt the DAnish products as muslims but no one dies from your "prophet" being drawn so please dont go around assualting people. To the Danish people bring all you products to South Africa, We are for freedom of speech. if I had a cent for everytime the people of muhamed spoke against and offended christianity bill gates would have nothing on me Maybe its because in states that have a majority of christians, Freedom of speech is Standard... makes you think dont it? 3 Feb 2006 @ 08:17 by A Norwegian @80.111.172.228 : Double standard Mohammad Kanaan and others have said there is a double standard in the west with regards to freedom of speech. First let me say that freedom of speech does not mean that you have to express all sorts of views. If you are a newspaper editor you don't have to print articles claiming that the holocaust is a lie if you don't want to. The same goes for cartoons of Prophet Mohammed, you are not obligated to print them. All but a few European newspapers have not. Ridiculing Christ and the Christian God is a frequent occurrence in our newspapers, tv shows and movies (Monty Python should be a well known example). The prophet Mohammed has been spared until now. Our media discuss controversial issues including neo nazis, blasphemy, racism, holocaust denunciation (Yes its true!) David Irwing has been on several tv shows and written about in numerous articles. Although Irwing has few supporters he has been allowed to make his argument, but it has not been made uncontested. To tell the truth our media treat Islam with more respect than they do Christianity. Let me also point out that Israeli groups and government frequently criticize our media for the way they report about the Palestinian conflict. I have registered several claims of anti-semitism and no apologies. Today the editor of Jylland posten writes that he would not have printed the cartoons had he known the outcome, and that they did not mean to offend Muslims. The Danish PM has also denounced the cartoons on the Al Arabia channel. It is your right to boycott Danish products, but it seems like misplaced anger. 3 Feb 2006 @ 09:14 by DRC @72.196.1.159 : Where the fuck are these cartoons? I can't find these cartoons! This is stupid to think that someone gets offended by a cartoon. I am a christian, I used to be a catholic, and I don't find catholic cartoons offensive. Maybe someone should publish a cartoon of mohamed fucking buddha? That could be funny. After 9/11 I think toilet paper printed with the verses of the Koran could be a top seller. I would definitely buy it. 3 Feb 2006 @ 10:31 by Faidros @217.208.25.51 : Boycott As a nonreligous westerner I belive boycott to be a civiliced and valid way to apply political pressure. I do it all the time my self. For several years I didnt buy French wines becourse the French tested neuclear arms in the passific. I dont buy Israeli goods for several reasons I dont want to go in to here out of respect of the subject of this thread and I didnt buy South African goods before Mandela. So if muslimes dont like what the danish do they are in their full right to show that by refusing to buy thier stuff. For what ever reason - fair or not! What is worying in the crisis following the tracks of the Mohammed pictures is the semingly bottomless stupidity we see from the extreme corners of the ideological map. One newspaper publishes some pictures and suddenly all scandinavians are valid targes for anyone that wants a free ticket to the muslim heaven. Just as when handfull of extremists flew planes in to buildings hole countries and regions where held responsible. The idea seems to be - if you dont know where to find the responsible for an act - kill everyone that wheres similar a head dress, prays to the same god or lives in the same region or country. I wish those pictures never would have been published. Not that I question the newspapers right to do so. My consern is that this development will further strengthen those extremists. Both the muslim extremeists and extreme rightwing and rasist organisations. The muslim organisations will gather followers by pointing out that the west dont respect any muslimes and the skinheads and their likes will point out that muslimes is behaving just as brute and uncivilised as they always claimed they are. And that development is just to sad for all us that hope for a peacefull coexistens of all humanity. I cant help wondering how this thing has developed. I dont think "Jyllands-posten" has to many readers on the Gaza strip or in Saudi Arabia. Obviusly someone brought the muslim world to the attention of the pictures. My questions to those are: -Are you acheving your goals? -Is the name of the Mohammed held in higher respect around the world after this? -Have your actions resulted in fewer respectless cartoons with the Mohammed? -Do you feel that the muslim community is more widely accepted and respected in Denmark after this? 3 Feb 2006 @ 11:04 by J.Smith @80.100.168.252 : Go Denmark !! Denmark should not apologised ! C'mon it's a cartoon ... I saw it it made sense, why should the Arab countries boycott all Danish products due to just a cartoon ? That's just STUPID ! Did all danish people draw these cartoons ? Or just an individual ? I think all press should publish more of these cartoons to support freedom of speech. The Arab countries are just finding excuses for attention. They are just dying to create a Jihad war no matter what is being said !!! Next time they'll burn other flags just because EU countries mention "Islam" . 3 Feb 2006 @ 11:51 by Alex @80.178.128.210 : SINCE WHEN SOME DIRTY ARABS Will tell us what to draw? F*ck them! Their responce with riots just underlined that these pics are correct! Arabs are untolerant of others, but very offended when it comes to them. We must FIND some OTHER source OF ENERGY OTHER than OIL. ARABS WERE NOTHING TILL WE STARTED DWELLING OIL IN THEIR PLACES. SO WE MUST FIND OTHER SOURCE OF ENERGY AND LET THEM eat THEIR own OIL - WE wount buy IT. 3 Feb 2006 @ 13:20 by IslamIsDying @212.33.117.232 : To Alex Dude plz dont talk about ALL arabs, there at least 30 million arabs that are christian, that believe in the same things that you do, and aren't retarted like muslims. I can see some of are ignoring my earlier comments, i dunno why.....it basicly stated the truth, islam is the shit of humanity, PERIOD. Btw mohamed kanaan, fatima, fahad, haven't heard from you in a while, please, share with us ur bullshit rules 3 Feb 2006 @ 13:51 by A PROUD DANE @80.164.65.4 : Insane hey i´m a Dane and proud of it. this is madness we got the right here to think and say what we want, ok muslims got offended by the drawing to bad for them, some Christians probaly get offended when they make a similar drawing of Jesus too. I got muslim friends in Denmark to they dun like the drawings that is there right i respect that. Those drawings isn´t the way Danes see muslims but hearing Danis in the middle east have been subjects of violence, and Denmark getting treaths about bombings, CAURSE OF SOME DRAWINGS, really make one think 3 Feb 2006 @ 14:11 by Faidros @217.208.25.51 : Dear IslamDying Maybe the lack of respons on your "pig-statement" is to do the fact that it was not worth commenting. I just want to tell you this. In the eyes of most of the people in Europe that dislikes muslims the fact that you call your self a christian does not make much of a difference. As most people with extreme ideas, such as your self, european muslimhaters tends to simplify and generalise. If you ask them most will say a muslim is an arab. And since all arabs are terrorists they are all the "shit of humanity" as you put it. I live in Sweden. The word the rasists use here is "svartskalle" (ie. "blackhead"). If you came here the people reasoning like you do about muslims would also treat you as a "blackhead". You being a christian would not mather at all. Do you think that anyone managed to escape the gas just becourse they shouted "I belive in Jesus!"? So remember that by spreading all your intollerant bullsh*t you are pouring gasoline on a fire that are also meant for you. Ive seen people like you before and to me you are both funny and tragical. But few things surprices me any more. Hell, here in Sweden one of the best known criminals is a black guy that claims he is a nazi. :P 3 Feb 2006 @ 14:57 by HUSSEIN @62.135.34.159 : THANKS THANK U ALL FOR SAYING ALL THIS BAD WORDS ABOUT MUSLIMS & ABOUT PROPHET MOHAMED AND THANK U ALEX FOR GIVING US AN EXAMPLE ABOUT WHO IS REALLY FULL OF HATE TO THE OTHERS .. FIRST WE DIDN'T DO ANY BAD THING TO ANYONE AND ABOUT 9/11 I WANT SOMEONE GIVE ME AN MATERIAL PROVE THAT MUSLIMS WAS BEHIND IT, ABOUT WHO BRINGS THE WAR TO THIS WORLD CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHO IS KILLING OTHER PEOPLE NOW LET ME THINK ..OOH WHAT DOES ALL THIS AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN TROOPS DOING IN IRAQ AREN'T THEY KILLING PEOPLE THEY KILLED IN THIS FEW YEARS MORE THAN SADDAM KILLED , WHO KILLING PEOPLE IN AFGHANISTAN ,AND IN PALESTINE ANSWER THOSE QUESTION AND U ALL WILL KNOW WHO IS REALLY DESTROYING THIS PLANET MR BUSH AND TONEY PLAIR LIED TO THE WHOLE WORLD ABOUT IRAQ AND HOW U DEALED WITH IT U REELECTION BOTH OF THEM. I WILL TELL U SOMTHING U DN'T KNOW MUSLIMS ARE VERY AFRAID TO DO ANYTHING BAD TO CHRISTIANS OR JEWS BECAUSE THE PROPHET U ARE TEELING LIES ABOUT HIM TELL US THAT IF MUSLIM DID ANY THING BAD TO ANY OF U HE WILL ANGERY FROM HIM UNTIL THE JUDGEMENT DAY AND AS WE BELIEVE IN OUR ISLAM OUR PROPHET HAS THE KEY OF PARADISE SO CAN U SEE HOW IT'S VERY RISKY TO HURT ANYONE OF U, DID U EVER HEARD A MUSLIM SAID AND BAD THINGS ABOUT THE CHRIST OR LADY MIRIAM OR MOSIES NO U DOESN'T BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN THEM ALSO AND THE LADY MIRIAM IS THE BEST LADY IN HEAVEN WE BELIEVE IN THAT, ABOUT WHATS HAPPENING IN PALASTINE CAN U ANSWER ME ALEX WHAT WILL U DO IF SOMEONE COME TO UR HOUSE KILLED UR SONS AND RAPED UR DAUGHTERS AND UR WIFE AND PUT U IN THE GARAGE PREVENTING U FROM UR LIFE AND AFTER ALL OF THAT U ALEX ASKING HIM FOR PEACE AND THE STRANGE THING THAT HE REFUSED NOW IF U TRY TO KILL HIM AFTER ALL THAT WILL U BE A TERRORIST ?? I WANT ALL OF U TO ANSWER ME ?? FINALLY WE REALLY LOVE U AND WE REALLY WANT PEACE TO THE WHOLE WORLD WHICH I HOPE AND BELIEVE IT WILL COME SOME DAY, BY THE WAY I'M MUSLIM AND I LOVE U ALL AND I'LL NEVER HATE U AND I WILL NOT HATE WHAT EVER U DO, THAT I WANT IN THE JUDGEMENT DAY WHEN WE ALL MEET THE CHRIST AND LADY MARIAM AND MOSSES (PEACE BE ON THEM ALL) I DN'T WANT TO FEEL SHY THAT I HATE ANYONE OF THEY FOLLOWERS. PEACE BE ON MOHAMED AND ALL THE MESSNGERS AND PROPHETS... THANKS FOR ALL OF U AGAINE. 3 Feb 2006 @ 15:07 by rich_s @195.160.253.3 : My take The original context of these cartoons is that artists are frightened of criticising Islam because of the potential actions of violent extremists. The reaction to the publication of the cartoons just proves the original point - that fundamentalists are intolerent and hold world-views that are incompatible with Western ideas such as free speech. The cartoons may well offend, because they are blasphemous by Islamic standards. The subject matter of some of them is an attack on the religion and its ideas. That's offensive? Well, tough, because in Europe religion is fair game. We've had the enlightenment, and separated church and state, and now most of us believe in "science" - if your theory doesn't stand up to rational scrutiny then down it falls. Religious schools of thought seem to think that they should be protected from this scrutiny, and that people are allowed to believe what they like, no matter what irrational nonsense it is. For the sake of peaceful living, a compromise is neccessary, so Western countries have laws allowing "freedom to practise religion" - laws of tolerance. I'm fine and happy with that as long as you don't wave your nonsense in my face. That's not keeping your end of the bargain. Don't make me choose between liberties and your make-belief deity. Muslims who haven't already need to learn to take silly cartoons and such like on the chin, like most Christians have learnt, otherwise there cannot be harmony. For example, don't insist that non-muslims must follow Islamic law and never depict Muhammed, because in reality all you are doing is forcing us to stand up and say "Look, we think your beliefs are bullsh*t" 3 Feb 2006 @ 15:38 by vibrani : Boycotting is good so let's boycot all products coming from Muslim nations until the Muslims get a sense of humor, lighten up, and stop trying to force the rest of the world to their belief system. Respect works both ways. Seriously, I don't think papers need to publish everything just because it's a free press. Some things are offensive and some things are outright lies. It takes a smart publisher to know where to draw the line. The violent Muslim response, however, might give people another reason to consider those offensive cartoons to be factual. 3 Feb 2006 @ 15:45 by ming : Outcomes Faidros, wise words: >I cant help wondering how this thing has developed. I dont think >"Jyllands-posten" has to many readers on the Gaza strip or in Saudi Arabia. >Obviusly someone brought the muslim world to the attention of the pictures. > >My questions to those are: >-Are you acheving your goals? >-Is the name of the Mohammed held in higher respect around the world after this? >-Have your actions resulted in fewer respectless cartoons with the Mohammed? >-Do you feel that the muslim community is more widely accepted and respected in Denmark after this? Obviously anything but has happened. More people have a reason to be angry at Islam and at Muslims. Fewer people will respect Islam. It will be harder for moderate Muslims to be taken seriously. Many people have now become inspired to actually make disrespectful pictures of Mohammed. You'll see lots more pictures of Mohammed around now. All not because of those few cartoons in Jyllandsposten, but because of the reaction. So, yes, was that worth it? 3 Feb 2006 @ 16:22 by Jesper @86.52.46.251 : The price for Democracy! I'm so fu..ing tired of rabiate muslims! 99.9% of all the idiots that are rioting in the M.East haven't even seen the damned cartoons, and in wich context they were publiched in the first place. Yet they don't hessitate to boycot an entire country, burning flags and issue death warrenth over all danes a cross the world. These people are asking for our respect! Well in my mind, respect goes both ways. And if all export to muslim-countries is the price for free speech and democracy, that's just the price we have to pay. Because it will be over my dead body before these rabiate mulslims will take control over my life. 3 Feb 2006 @ 16:32 by Democratic Patriot @86.52.46.251 : SUPPORT DENMARK COME ON EVERYBODY. DON'T LET THE MUSLIMS WIN THIS BATTLE. - BUY DANISH!!! 3 Feb 2006 @ 16:45 by keith @62.253.128.12 : cartoons i was just watching sky news and the muslim demonstrators and noticed thier banners well most of them depict that europe was the scurge of the earth and our time will come when we are eliminated. Q for you if you dont like it here then i suggest you go back to were you origionate from and let us get on with our christian beliefs we dont ram it down your throats,we have no wish to follow what you belive in i say TAKE IT BACK HOME TO YOUR OWN COUNTRYS. 3 Feb 2006 @ 16:46 by keith @62.253.128.12 : cartoons oh sorry forgot to add buy more bacon 3 Feb 2006 @ 16:59 by IslamIsDying @212.33.117.231 : TO FAIDROS Look son, you know NOTHING about what muslims really are, I live with 100,000 muslims in my city, it's like living in hell, those "things" are simply animals with a religion, there as ugly as humans can get. Btw i lived in the U.S for 2 years, when people knew i was a christian coming from the holy land they litterlay warshipped me, they loved me. So next time don't say that noone gives a shit if i'm christian or muslim, sure i'm arab but i'm christian....your the ONly one that doesn't think there is a difference. Let's prove this, can u guys tell me if a christian arab attacked by muslim pricks every day is the same as those arab muslim dicks? 3 Feb 2006 @ 17:17 by Alf @81.131.106.219 : STONE AGES Speaking as a British Christian I really cant understand all the fuss,I just see a lot of easily excited,easily led,none to clever,behind the times,non progressive,frustrated,hell raisers.What is this world coming to if you cant take the piss out of a fictional character..Bless em 3 Feb 2006 @ 17:29 by Kafir @62.45.4.168 : Religion All religion is, in fact a bad thing. Religion is made by people. Some religions were originally not intended as one; eg. Buddhism and Christianity. The problem with Islam however, is that it was always intended as a cruel religion, claiming in its own Holy Book that it's the one true religion, promoting intolerance and even violence. Thankfully, many muslims will say that what I just said is untrue. Luckily for all of us, they either haven't read their book, or they interpret it differently. The way I see it, it's just a matter of time however, before the majority will have read those nice passages in the book, God only knows what we will do then! To conclude: BAN RELIGION. 3 Feb 2006 @ 17:37 by Blueblood @70.184.92.11 : Screw Em They are all a bunch of gun toting power hungry not to mention very smelly and unkempt followers of a physcotic religion that lost it's roots years ago. If your going to blow people up for their beliefs then you shouldnt get so mad over a cartoon depicting your monkey like mohammed.I have an idea instead of having your female virgins committing suicide bombings send them here to the U.S. we need a little variety in our Strip clubs. I support you Denmark and I am sure many Americans laughed their asses off when they heard how the muslims reacted to a simple drawing.Hate to see what would happen if Disney put out a cartoon about them HAHA. NO APOLOGIES NEEDED do they apologize when they kill people in the name of religion (which by the way is the sign that these people are still living in the time of witch hunts)Anyhow give'em hell they deserve it. G.B.M. 3 Feb 2006 @ 17:44 by IslamIsDying @212.33.117.227 : rofl Rofl BlueBlood just owned u muslims pricks, love too know what you have to say now 3 Feb 2006 @ 17:50 by yehuda @80.255.47.251 : liars! your grandfathers came to our countries robbed us of our dignity and resources to build your civilized countries and now you donot want us "animals" to come to those countries.we will continue to come and when we do we spread our religion Islam.you can call us terrorists but we learned from the best your grand fathers the colonialists,the missionaries.and yet in iraq,afghanistan,palestine,and in a few months iran.you continue to do the same.and yet you dare to call us terrorists?you talk of 9/11 yet you donot know who really did that because you jewish media lies to you!freedom of speech you say....try insulting the jews even in democratic denmark and see what appens?you're all liars and you hate us because we are powerful!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 Feb 2006 @ 17:55 by marek @80.255.47.251 : killings Blue blood!does the us apologise for killing in the name of freedom?or is george bush killing those muslims in iraq for the sake of oil?or is it for the sake of christianity in disguise?so u expect muslims to sit and wait for their deaths while the us and his patheitc allies finish them off?its funny coz i thought that islam would really be over and done with by now but actually the opposite is happening...i wonder y?maybe muslims are doing mass brainwashing?lol! 3 Feb 2006 @ 17:55 by Blueblood @70.184.92.11 : Insane You must be brainwashed to think that the muslims could ever take over. Oh wait that's right if you dont act like a muslim they will cut your head off sorry yehuda now I understand why you muslims are so strong in your belief I wouldnt want to lose my head either. By the way Im still waiting for an answer about you muslims sending us your virgins. 3 Feb 2006 @ 17:58 by Amir K. @202.156.6.68 : IN-BORN HATRED All these reactions from Western Press is not about Freedom of speech, it is about some fundamental, their in-born hatredness for Islam, Muslims or Arabs, which could be partly due to the past history or their ignorance. Actually, they are instigating the muslims to do more harm. What grave stupity. 3 Feb 2006 @ 18:16 by Sickandtired @67.169.178.29 : Ignorant and intolerant They demand others adhere to their rules and beliefs? Otherwise it is always the same...kill the Infidels.. Well this Infidel is tired of the bullshit. You want to meet your maker? I think a line is forming to help you with the introduction. A cartoon... lighten up assholes. 3 Feb 2006 @ 18:24 by pelin @85.103.50.210 : It s a shame noone can attack our religion. some silly people who doesnt know Islam speak so silly. every day Muslims, especially in Iraq, die for some countrys' benefits. of course Muslims will defend themselves too. but we only want to respect for all religious not only Islam. noone can draw caricatures of our Prophet Muhammad .. 3 Feb 2006 @ 18:27 by bushman : Hmm I'm thinking that maybe it's a better thing to just let the barbarians of all religions, just kill each other off, and this will make it a better world for us more intellegent, non-barbarians. Why would any God, allow humans to explore other planets, when they act like they do now? Just like gang violents, I say the same, let them kill each other and be done with it, the smartest people will just get out of the way, and wait. I believe the world is self cleansing. We must bid farewell to all the barbarians and bullies, of all religions. And people wonder why the NWO wants to cull 90% of the worlds population, it's because that 90%, are barbarians. If you get pissed off, to the point of murder and destruction, over what someone says about your God, then my friend, your an ignorant barbarian, that will never see the day mankind becomes a type 1 civilization, you will be left out in the cold, with your empty gun, and blown out flip-flops. 3 Feb 2006 @ 18:28 by keith @62.253.128.12 : asif if islam is non violeant as in belief then why do we see them doing what they are doing over the world acting like spoilt brats burning national flags over a cartoon drawn months ago?? 3 Feb 2006 @ 18:34 by alf @81.131.106.219 : Koran I have read comments about how the Koran misleads people and offers teachings that are full of corrupt double meanings.But people.....I can assure you that I keep a copy of the Koran in my toilet,and let me just say that nothing else comes close to wiping my ass as smoothly or as effectivly as one page of silky smooth bullshit mohammed grade A . Get a F*****g grip...Its a cartoon Alfy 3 Feb 2006 @ 18:38 by keith @62.253.128.12 : feel sorry for them i feel sorry for blondes irishmen jews and black people as when a joke is said of them or a cartoon depicting them they dont go mad and set fire to an ephogy of the offending party do they? buy more lurpak 3 Feb 2006 @ 18:45 by keith @62.253.128.12 : ahhhh DENMARK 1 ISLAM 0 in the polls 3 Feb 2006 @ 18:54 by James @24.55.21.150 : Apples and Oranges There's a fundamental problem with comparing a cartoon satire of the Jewish Community and that of Mohammed. One is a person the other is a deity that is perfectly capable of dealing with her problems if she actually exists. There are no gods. The minute you backwards dirt-scrounging idiots realize that, the better the rest of us who don't let antiquated fairy tales run our lives. (That goes to all fundies on both sides of this idiotic discussion.) 3 Feb 2006 @ 19:00 by Blueblood @70.184.92.11 : Virgins Still waiting for an answer about your virgin woman you dirt bathing sand monkies.Obviously your a religion of homo's if your willing to let untapped ass like that go to waste 3 Feb 2006 @ 19:03 by keith @62.253.128.12 : mohammed there is only one gr8 mohammed i can remember and his surname is ALI 3 Feb 2006 @ 19:05 by Blueblood @70.184.92.11 : The great one indeed float like a butterfly sting like a bee,but dont act insane like the muslims we see 3 Feb 2006 @ 19:07 by keith @62.253.128.12 : flutterby nice one blood...... 3 Feb 2006 @ 19:11 by alf @81.131.106.219 : a prophet I,m trying to make a prophet here so have a look at this site WWW.STEELPLEASURES.CO.UK 3 Feb 2006 @ 19:11 by James @24.55.21.150 : High School You know...on further reflection this whole thing in on the level of some dorky girl getting caught passing a nasty note about someone in school. "Mr. Johnson, she won't apologize, she drew me with a stupid hat" Honestly girls, grow up. 3 Feb 2006 @ 19:20 by keith @62.253.128.12 : head who died and made you the prophet j? 3 Feb 2006 @ 19:47 by NaT @207.180.176.165 : Tolerating the Intolerant Its quite pathetic that it has come to this... Europe with its prided civility catering to barbarians. Tolerance is no longer tolerance it is anow COWARDICE Why dont Europeans DEMAND apology for all the ills that have been brought to Europe and its citrizens world wide by simply insane inhumane satanism of thiese religious fanatics. CAll it what it is INSANITY and cowardice, when you cater to gun wielding alah akbar murdering hordes of nomads. The more freedom and respect you give these barbarians the less you will enjoy. Appeasing UN and oil rich countries full of hatefull radicals will get you just what we are beginning to face. Empowerment of islamofascism. 3 Feb 2006 @ 19:54 by KEITH @62.253.128.12 : i agree you go nat i have seen the videos of the unfortunate victims of the spoils of ali akbar and it's not pretty these people get away with murder as no one is there to control as in a democracy as we live in a, line flat but not always truthful society, but when you call the athourities they will try to help and not behead the next western guy they see 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:02 by keith @62.253.128.12 : hang on nat gont you realise they can't apologise they dont know the neaning of the word!!!! 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:06 by vibrani : in-born hatred The comment by Amir K. is so bizarre - did you grow up in the U.S. and have our education? No where, no how did we ever learn about Muslims as being bad people when I was growing up. I'm in my mid-50s and today's education doesn't teach prejudice against Muslims, either. Unlike what Muslims learn in their madrases. We learned history, not biases. But I would venture that after 9/11, young children might have their own ideas and begin delving deeper into Muslim history, and learn about Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism, for instance, which is (as Muslim Imam Sheikh Palazzi says), "a totalitarian cult that stands for terror, massacre of civilians and permanent war against Jews, Christians and non-Wahhabi Muslims." The facts are there about how Muslims mistreated Jews in their countries, people who contributed greatly to their societies but because they were Jewish, they were kicked out, had their properties stolen, murdered. First number is from the year 1948 of Jews in these countries, the second number of Jews living there from 2000: Algeria 140,000, Less than 100 Egypt 75,000, 200 Iran 100,000, 12,000 to 40,000 Iraq 150,000, 100 Lebanon 20,000, 100 Libya 38,000, 0 Morocco 265,000, 5,800 Syria 30,000, 200 Tunisia 105,000, 1,500 Yemen 55,000, 200 Not hard to see a pattern. Now they're trying to make people believe their twisted history that there were never any Jews in ancient Israel hahahaha fools. Now with the Muslims going hogwild over these cartoons, the world is just seeing more of who they really are, the Muslims they didn't really want to believe existed. Because in the past it was more like oh, they just hate the Jews not us...and they didn't want to read and learn that it's anyone who is not a Muslim that they don't accept as being human. Spain has another lovely history of brutal Muslim invasions. 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:09 by eye @207.180.176.165 : PISS BE UPON YOU "Whoever defames our prophet should be executed," said Ismail Hassan, 37, a tailor who marched through the pouring rain along with hundreds of others in the West Bank city of Ramallah. "Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," protesters in Ramallah chanted. In mosques throughout Palestinian cities, clerics condemned the cartoons. An imam at the Omari Mosque in Gaza City told 9,000 worshippers that those behind the drawings should have their heads cut off. "If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon. About 10,000 demonstrators, including gunmen from the Islamic militant group Hamas firing in the air, marched through Gaza City to the Palestinian legislature, where they climbed on the roof, waving green Hamas banners. "We are ready to redeem you with our souls and our blood our beloved prophet," they chanted. "Down, Down Denmark." Thousands of protesters in the center of Nablus burned at least 10 Danish flags. In Jenin, about 1,500 people demonstrated, burning Danish dairy products. Hundreds protested in Jericho, and protests were held in towns throughout Gaza. Fearing an outbreak of violence, Israel barred all Palestinians under age 45 from praying at Jerusalem's Al Aqsa Mosque compound, Islam's third holiest site. Nevertheless, about 100 men chanting Islamic slogans and carrying a green Hamas flag demonstrated outside Jerusalem's Old City on Friday afternoon. The crowd scattered when police on horseback arrived, and some of the protesters threw rocks. Police broke up a second demonstration at Damascus Gate with tear gas and stun grenades. In Iraq, the country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, decried the drawings but did not call for protests. "We strongly denounce and condemn this horrific action," he said in a statement posted on his Web site and dated Tuesday. "Hands that reach Islam must be broken," chanted a group of extremists outside the Merkez Mosque in Istanbul. ------------------------------------------- On a personal note i think its time to nuke a whole lotta imbecils! 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:16 by keith @62.253.128.12 : all i think its time these ppl were stopped from running other ppl out of were they live as they see it as a threat and all live together with their own beliefs and practice it as life goes on day to day. its not as if i go to a fellow workers house and say i dont like what you did today and killed his cat is it? 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:20 by keith @62.253.128.12 : ah but which muslim bought the bacon to burn? 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:27 by LOL @207.180.176.165 : LMAO They are boycotting danish dairy products LMAO!! The only commodity palestinians had since PLO times is lots and lots of suicide bombers, lots and lots of suicide bombers posing for european news cameras, and lots of the same extorting money from EU and UN and US to fight 'evil' Israel. Bless Israels tolerance for putting up with this BS for so long, i think now Europe is awakening to the 'struggle' of Islam around the world. you gotta love the irony of these twisted eggheads, well hope they enjoy eating bullets 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:31 by vibrani : That's right wake up, world. 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:34 by IslamIsDying @212.33.117.227 : Islam? TRY ISLAME Eye, i just want you, and everyone else to know, that in the west bank only the muslims are angry, us chrisitnas are happy as hell, they are jumping around like idiots rofl. Islam is a VERy, VERYYY retarted religion, Their fucked prophet fucked 2 women A NIGHT, and yet HE DARES to make muslim women stay virgins their whole lives, not to mention the ugly hijab. It's a religion based on SEX and hate (not to mention their UGLY AS HELL !!! Trust me i live with these pigs) Jesus Said that no other prophets will come after him, and if one does come, he is fake.....PERIOD. Mohamed ( PISS be upon him ) is FAKE , LIVE WITH IT YOU UGLY BASTARDS. Christianes like me in the middle east are living a really hard life, they have to deal with these shits everyday. Btw i just wanna know do u guys consider christians here the- same as muslims? Cuz im christian and i feel like you christian countries have our backs, or at least think of us in a better way than muslims don't you? :S 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:47 by vibrani : There is a difference and Arab Christians have been through hell living with the Muslims in the Middle East. Maybe the Christians need to take a new stand now? I know the Muslims came into your churches and used people as shields, they stole from the churches, took over Christian homes, killed people for being Christians - and that includes other countries, like what they did to Christians in Lebanon is barbaric. 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:49 by bushman : Hmm I think the christian God/prophet said, turn the other cheek, love thy enemies, and something like, revenge is thyn. But I have to say some chistians are not any different than muslims. They don't give thier god oppertunity to have his fun and get revenge. It's Gods job to get due revenge, not the humans that worship him/her. 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:54 by vibrani : I wasn't talking about revenge Bushman, just in case you were referring to my comments. I don't believe in a vengeful, punishing God. Those are human attributes that create karma. 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:55 by keith @62.253.128.12 : god god will give and taketh away as he sees fit. his way is not an instant one but those who are important to him ie the good 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:56 by vibrani : LOL and using your line of thinking, the Muslims should be blessed because they think they're good. How could God not love every one of its own creations?! 3 Feb 2006 @ 20:59 by keith @62.253.128.12 : god he can he takes the good not, those who harm the rest of us as in islam 3 Feb 2006 @ 21:01 by vibrani : And so you probably also believe that God allows millions of people to die in genocide, or a catastrophic accident; or on the other end win an Oscar or Grammy award, or get a football touchdown because they're favorites? I don't think so. That is a person's need to feel special, the ego and fear speaking; not what really is. 3 Feb 2006 @ 21:01 by bushman : Nope , was commenting to "islamisdying" his words seek and show a vengful heart, to me. :} 3 Feb 2006 @ 21:02 by vibrani : Okay, Bushman thanks for the clarification. 3 Feb 2006 @ 21:06 by bushman : Accually keith, According to Revolations, God in the end, judges us by our good works, and dosnt even take the bad works into account. Although, I cant really speak for god, thats how I read it, and understood it. 3 Feb 2006 @ 21:07 by keith @62.253.128.12 : anon no i dont genocide as is the way these ppl think is there way of life and to kill amounts of ppl untold, in a ravage of swift killing and start wars belief's are misconstroud and why they listen to,but the difference is the islam way of life is, dont quote me wrong a good one for their beliefs but we do not have to go that way and we do notneed them to instruct us so 3 Feb 2006 @ 21:22 by vibrani : Exactly we have never told Muslims not to believe in their God, so why can't they accept that not everyone has the same belief and it's okay? The only reason is that they need to feel superior and they want to control everyone. That goes for any extremist religion who thinks they're the special ones. People are so insecure and lazy - why don't they try understanding God on their own, without the stuff written in a book? 3 Feb 2006 @ 21:45 by United @70.51.142.4 : Lets help Who knows what Danish goods can be purchased in Canada? (Except of Tuborg beer :-) 3 Feb 2006 @ 22:43 by jensen @82.150.88.121 : ehhHHHHH i couldn't care less, danish export to those countries is estimated 1 % of the total export. and then if we stopped our aid and other help it might be even. but one thing i do not understand is that, how can a "civilized world" and im talking about muslims, expect us to take them serious when all they can do is protest with signs about them wanting to behead the people behind the cartoons and people wear'in signs with text like "europe remember the 9/11" "europe you will learn the lesson". wtF ? muslims wake up its the year 2006 i do really hope that all this will end in a peaceful way. because then i dont have dust of the viking gear. yes im aware that the muslim people reading this properly aint the same as the ones standing in some desert with a sign and burning the danish flag. 3 Feb 2006 @ 22:59 by Richard @24.71.50.68 : exposing i SLAM The uncivilised response we see to these cartoons comes as no surprise to me. i SLAM does not want to be exposed,as these cartoons truthfully depict.Whoever shines the light on the life of the false prophet will get slammed.The koran and it's gospel books such as the hadith are rife with terrorism,pedophelia,rape and murder.Mohamedslife is the antithesis of Christs 3 Feb 2006 @ 23:23 by richard @24.71.50.68 : exposing i SLAM If mohameds life was as noble as they would have us believe, why all the fear and intimidation.islam rose to its stature through terror and birthright.A person born in a muslim family, and wants to change his religoun is to be put to death according to their holy books.The whloe concept of i SLAM smells of Fear and domination through terror within the muslim community and the world 3 Feb 2006 @ 23:25 by SHAYKHOON @62.135.96.186 : Its there fault We muslims are not terrorists but when it comes to insulting a Prophet then the ones responsible must be punished ...we asked for an apology but it wont be deliverd then we hae to harvest our punishment our selves ...there is where the boycutt took place .....and by te way the losses off this boycutt is estimate by 61 billion till now. 3 Feb 2006 @ 23:35 by SHAYKHOON @62.135.96.186 : Green Day One day we will rule this lands again and bring justice to this world where racist ppl like danes's who drew such stuff will be have respect and when feeling very funny and want to make funny cartoons maby they draw themselves better..... 3 Feb 2006 @ 23:37 by john waheed @86.130.174.237 : chill out shaky if the muslim population wised-up and spent its time educating its people instead of propogating its f*cked up medieval beliefs then maybe they would have something more productive to do than complain about a stupid cartoon! wake up islam and smell the coffee brother 3 Feb 2006 @ 23:38 by vibrani : There ya go see, there's no getting through to most of them. Guess what Shaykhoon - Mo isn't a prophet/profit to us. In fact, seems like he was a real pervert, kidnapping and raping young children in his own family, living by lies and violence. Some prophet, yeah. Jesus isn't God to me, either. So, what you gonna do about it? We all have our opinions. It's how you deal with them that's important. Is the only solution to anything you don't agree with to murder or boycott? 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:06 by SHAYKHOON @62.135.96.186 : Vibrani's Ignorence both prophet Muhammad and jesus deserve respect because they are ones chosen from GOD over humanity .....ur ignorence filled with racisem cannot cange any thing in both thier history ......thier history is the absolute story of perfectin in humaman means....raping and kiddnapping is ur ideas in the west created and forged by you .....not us. 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:12 by SHAYKHOON @62.135.96.186 : to john Jhon we do have problems of beeing third world countries i can see that but its not because we follow ISLAM , no but by beeing just as u so far from reliegion and closr to sins , and also because of beeing ruled by absolute fools like mubarak but this will be alla over soon and come one give us a break we ruled the woirld for over 1000 years if u know history .....we had to fall like all ...... but the diff. is that we will rise again ... then justice will be back and all will live happely then.............!! 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:14 by vibrani : hahahaha well, I don't agree with you at all. You can't change truth. Mo's story is told by Muslim scholars, not from any racism on my part. Maybe you could expand your thinking. But with the attitude that you will rise again and then there will be justice, is just repeating old Muslim ways of doing things and openly declares an agenda we're already aware of and don't accept for ourselves. 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:19 by SHAYKHOON @62.135.96.186 : for black boy we will apologize when we aprove ... what i mean is we never supported 9/11 or the bombings in britan .... if u havent noticed the bombinges were in sharm el shiek as well ....the bombers are not Muslims the bombers are units having intrestes from many dealers ..... and by the way from the belifes that u think is teaching terrorism we have things called war beavior Prphet muhammad said never attack at night to not scare women and children ...when in battel never hurt and old man women chiled a plant or an animal .... and if the enemy calles for peace accept it.......for crying out lowed the butcher Hitler and his frnd mosoliny where from the west ....... or u do think they are MUSLIMS too?? maybe ur that ignorent.. 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:20 by vibrani : Try this [link] 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:21 by vibrani : Ha do you know the meaning of Hudna? And Jihad? You're not talking to ignorant people. 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:23 by SHAYKHOON @62.135.96.186 : yes i do its a peace offering that stops battles for a certain or un certain time... 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:26 by SHAYKOON @62.135.96.186 : so u still know nothing about our Prophet ... all he did in this world is bring it back on its feet ....light the darkness ........and then ignorently u say such things about him.. 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:30 by vibrani : Or And try this Muslim site. [link] 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:31 by vibrani : Hudna Nope. A hudna is a false peace that Muslims make in order to gain them time to regroup and gain more power so they can squash their enemy. They say it's peace, but it's a lie. How you manipuate. At times it is used with a potential for it to be a lasting peace, but....Hey, I'm giving you MUSLIM sources - I didn't make up this stuff. Hudna has a distinct meaning to Islamic fundamentalists, well-versed in their history: The prophet Mohammad struck a legendary, ten-year hudna with the Quraysh tribe that controlled Mecca in the seventh century. Over the following two years, Mohammad rearmed and took advantage of a minor Quraysh infraction to break the hudna and launch the full conquest of Mecca, the holiest city in Islam. Arafat attempted a hudna, too. 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:33 by SHAYKOON @62.135.96.186 : who wrote that this was wrote by fools who cut half of the prophets words and just make a case out of it + the words of the Khalifa Omar Bin Khattab for example was totaly made up . we where given Hegab we made women cover up and respected her for crying out lowed u used ur women as toyes by just putting them and thier pics naked every where u made a mokkery out of them and u say we treat them bad .... 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:34 by richard @24.71.50.68 : Has God gone insane Humanity since its inception has lived under the Law of an 'eye for an eye'.As we evolved and became more civilised, Christ introduced into our psyche,"turn the other cheek.Love your enemies,do good unto those who harm you"Divine concepts to further our evolution. Why would God send mohamed and his terrorist teachings a few hundred years later to throw us backwards into darkness.Either God went insane or some other diabolical force sent him. Think about it. If anyone wants bring out into the open the example of mohameds life,as written by his followers, as the cartoons portray,muslims are whipped into an animalistic frenzy that those in the civilised world do not understand. Fear and ignorance are powerful tools. Keep the masses ignorant and threaten them with death. I say expose mohamed for who he really was, and in so doing you expose i SLAM. We have recently seen Mel Gibsons depiction of Jesus Christ in our theaters. I f mohamed was God's final prophet sent to humanity, let's go to their holy books and provide society with an unbiased depiction of mohamed and his nine year old wife Aiysha 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:36 by vibrani : Actions speak louder than words, Shaykoon. We see Muslims actions, enough said. Speaking for a worldwide account of how women are treated - there is child abuse and slavery all over the world, and abuse against women, too. Those are mostly done against their free will. Muslims are well known for their abuses against women and women have no free will. If someone WANTS to be a prostitute or model, and they're choosing it on their own, that's a free society. Muslim societies are not free - and we can see from your words how much you fear freedom by needing to control women and say it's because you respect them. BULLSHIT! That isn't respect, and it isn't love. It is slavery. 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:37 by SHAYKHOON @62.135.96.186 : yeah sure muslim source is written by ( M. Rafiqul-Haqq and P. Newton ) u r kidding ur self + the define of hudna is totaly wrong its just an arabic word means what i have said not that.....and gehad is the spirit of sacrefce for islam and for GOD ...... watch AMerican movies of heros .... they probably die for a cause at the end .....wich means its a human noble concept ....i donno how u dont understand it ...are u green or somth.? 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:40 by vibrani : * * 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:41 by vibrani : I think you don't know much about your own religion. 4 Feb 2006 @ 00:43 by vibrani : If God is God, why would it need or demand a sacrifice? Is it tha |
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