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The internet is the beginning of a change and as peer to peer communication is getting better and better - the twitter on your phone, etc. - this divide will be reduced and eventually eliminated. You mentioned a singularity and I had to think of the Kurzweil singularity which would bring a way to communicate which would remove the advantage of the city-wide cop radio system. Imagine a cop stopping a grandma that went five miles over the speed limit and the drivers of only ten cars in the immediate vicinity would stop and watch what is going on - because they got a call from grandma - I believe that would change a lot. Some twenty-five years ago I actually thought I had found a group that was working with and by the principles you describe, Flemming, where the group is more than the sum of the individuals. I was so excited that I finished up my current live and joined this group of OTs, described as a group of individuals working together on a common goal. I found out, though, within a few days, that this, unfortunately, was just propaganda and there was none of the promised OT-ness to be found. A few really good people kept the whole kaboodle working because they just could not fathom that they were being played - hi Celia Patrick - but for me that was a really great and clear example of the principles currently being used in society. In the lingo of that group a great example for a 'dramatization'. There are currently so many developments going on the real workd, like for example {link:http://freekeene.com|Free Keene} or {link:http://www.freedomainradio.com|Freedomain Radio} that I am confident that the few people you are advising to be afraid, do indeed have to be very afraid. 27 Jun 2010 @ 08:04 by susannahbe : Nice writing! I agree with Merlin, Ming, this is inspired and inspiring. I can also see things changing through the communication opportunities provided by the internet and social networking sites like twitter, for the most part information can no longer be controlled which changes the power structure and gives autonomy back to the individual, now the task is to get him to take it! A lot of the reason people don't want it, is that from childhood they have been programmed to follow rules, to be a good child and do as their parents/teachers/bosses/churches/governments say. They have cast themselves in the role of perpetual child needing guidance from an 'authority figure'. To take back their individual power is a frightening thought and goes against all they have been trained to do, a training that involves producing well behaved citizins who conform to the rules and follow orders. Even in these changes it will need free thinkers to challenge the status quo and lead the way. Nice writing Ming. 27 Jun 2010 @ 09:23 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : Organized Stigmergy Not bad Ming well actually quite good but the language has to be flushed out if not invented to fill in the gaps. "Organized Stigmergy" Sadly I suspect that anarchy is not workable either yet how do you bring some kind of order to stigmergy, Shared Values? Shared Moral Code? Value based monetary system? Natural Law? hmmmmmm I had an idea that if you could start with a "circular" agenda, then just build on that. I asked my native friend about it, I said what is a circular agenda and he replied "the seasons". Perhaps thats it then. Let the seasons around the world be our guide, Our "circular" agenda, Winters coming Northerners , the crops need tending and harvesting and canning. ed 27 Jun 2010 @ 12:06 by ming : Connections Without even getting into something very new, just better communication would make a big difference. Like Merlin suggests. Cops are harrassing somebody, everybody else knows about it right away, and can show up to help. Or, the other way around, there's actually a crime going on, and people who're close by can show up to help. As opposed to just filing a police report after the fact, because the police is too busy to come out for simple stuff like burglaries and stolen cars. Or if information was organized and structured so as to tell us what we want to know about a company, an individual, a product. Lots of that is already on the net, but what if it was structured so as to be instantly available. I pick up a can in the supermarket, and I know right away the contents was produced by slave labor in Burma, what exactly those chemicals on the label are, who owns the operation, what else those people are doing, etc. We have the opportunity to organize and communicate better than those who'd like us to stay dispersed. Even if they have police radio and files on every citizen. 27 Jun 2010 @ 13:04 by ming : Stigmergy Yes, {link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmergy|Stigmergy} is probably a good thing to bring up in this context. We're not ants, so we need something of a higher order. But we do need something. Ways of more easily perceiving what is going on, what has gone on before, what is needed, what problems need to be solved, etc. A lot of information is available about lots of stuff, including what is needed and wanted, what problems there are to solve, etc. But a lot of it is too "expensive" to get at to fully be useful at the right time. An example I've used a few times: When I've read a book, I might be perfectly happy donating it to somebody else who'd like to read it. I know very well that there are websites for organizing that, but I'm not all that fanatic about it, so I don't bother doing anything about it. And it would probably involve sending the book in the mail to somebody in another city or country. What I'd like would be that I just easily enter the availability of my book into my local information system, and a few hours later, while I'm walking around town, it tells me that the guy who's sitting on the bench next to me would be really interested in my book. And, by the way, he has too many cherries on his cherry tree, and I love cherries. A sufficiently intelligent computer-assisted background stigmergy could facilitate a great many transactions like that. Many new types of actions are possible if they can be reduced from requiring a several hour Internet search to being an instant background awareness. 27 Jun 2010 @ 16:04 by mortimer : Right on Well said Ming. I probably should update emotional art, its all about anchoring peace of mind, what I forgot to mention; you can get angry while anchoring peace of mind. 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It is important to have visions and artifacts. The Venus Project is fantastic for showing us how a better future might look. But I think that the most important thing to solve is how we work better *together*. The collaboration, networking and collective intelligence part. Which in my mind implies that most everyone has a meaningful part to play, more meaningful than being a follower. Everything else can be taken care of, if we just can work together in meaningful and productive ways. 30 Jun 2010 @ 16:09 by Arnie Lerma @71.201.217.72 : Surf's up! The driving force behind the acceleration of events is due entirely to the propagation of truth. As generations of lies are shown to be what they are, their ability to modulate social conduct evaporates.. Confidence in governmental institutions is falling as these inconvenient truths propagate through society like shock waves from a blast. My 1861 unabridged defines "apocalypse" as "when all secrets are revealed" This is the real "shock and awe" How does it feel to be surfers on the event horizon of the apocalypse?? 30 Jun 2010 @ 17:01 by ming : Surfers of the Apocalypse Ha, I love it! Excellent point about the propagation of truth. Truth on a variety of levels. There are of course the scenarios where one has been lied to, and now they real story comes out. Which will reorganize the landscape. But there's also simply overcoming the messiness and unconnectedness of our communication methods and systems, to actually be able to distribute truths that people can work with. People use the same words to mean different things. Descriptions of events or of needs or of available resources might be missing or imprecise. We have lots of silly reasons for not quite telling the truth, other than ignorance. Social norms, politeness, shyness, not wanting to rock the boat, trying to make somebody else feel and look better. If it actually becomes clear what is going on and what needs to be done, good decisions become much easier to take, and meaningful action can ensue. Exponentially more so in groups or networks. The many types of distortion of truth can quickly render them stupid and inefficient, if left to their own self-organizing devices. But if truth can be brought out in the open and efficiently shared, suddenly the opposite thing happens, and everybody can quickly do something meaningful about it. Super insight! 1 Jul 2010 @ 08:20 by KB @196.6.198.254 : Truth and Society Beautiful comment Arnie. And thanks, Flemming for the background on your past interactions with the founder of the Venus project. One of the things I would like to see in new collaborative systems is a huge one - a princple - which is, an agreement and understanding that it is OK to be honest. At present it is not. Too much honestly scares people. 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