|New Civilization News: Infinite valued logic|
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17 comments9 Dec 2003 @ 16:07 by Bruce Kodish @188.8.131.52 : Infinite-Valued Logic
Good Post--An ode to gradient evaluating.
In that spirit, I want to emphasize that multi-valued (gradient or 'infinite'-valued ) logic does not preclude the use of good old Aristotelian or classical logic--a special case within what I prefer to call multi-valued logic.
As Korzybski put it in his Science and Sanity:
...the "law of identity" is never applicable to processes. The "law of excluded middle", or "excluded third", as it is sometimes called, which gives the two-valued character to A "logic", establishes, as a general principle, what represents only a limiting case and so, as a general principle, must be unsatisfactory. As on the objective, un-speakable levels, we deal exclusively with absolute individuals and individual situations, in the sense that they are not identical, all statements which, by necessity, represent higher order abstractions, must only represent probable statements. Thus we are led to ∞-valued semantics of probability, which introduces an inherent and general principle of uncertainty. (Science and Sanity, p. 405)
9 Dec 2003 @ 16:25 by ming : Logic
Thank you for that clarification, Bruce! Yeah, a limited case, which always is unsatisfactory when we're talking about processes. Glad good old Count Alfred can clear it up.
9 Dec 2003 @ 17:41 by bkodish : 'Logic(s)'
"... all statements which, by necessity, represent higher order abstractions, must only represent probable statements."
As far as I know...8-)
9 Dec 2003 @ 23:06 by Ashanti @184.108.40.206 : Either-Or
Excellent reminder, thanks for posting. Funny that Hubbard built the black-white, right/wrong prong into his system of Scientology. There are "social" and "anti-social" personalities; up-stat or down-stat; the Black Hats, and the White Hats, in ethics, people had to decide which side and then "strike an effective blow to the enemy" - it was a fatal flaw. But a really perfect system of thought for the America of today. American foreign policy actions in general reflect the acceptance of infinite valued logic. Actually, this trait is implicit in all totalitarian systems throughout history. Mao. Stalin. Hitler. Verwoed. Demonization of the Other. The start-point of facism.
-Btw, have always wanted to get hold of a copy of General Semantics - any idea where a person can get hold of one?
10 Dec 2003 @ 01:40 by jstarrs : Here's an addition from
buddhist logic :
"Buddhist anticipations of "meaning as exclusion". It might be noted that long before truth tables, formal propositional logic, or the diagrams shown above existed, Hindu and Buddhist philosophers were debating the nature of language. Their debates over the nature of universals ("cow" and "red" would be examples of universals - as opposed to particulars) predate Christian Europe's Nominalist controversies by 800 years. The Buddhist philosopher and logician Dignaaga (A.D. 480-540) proposed the principle of exclusion ("Apoha" in Sanskrit) as an explanation of how universals work. Quickly said, the theory is that a "cow" is recognized by excluding all the things that are not cows, based on the rules set by a "cow"'s intrinsic characteristics. (Arguably Naagaarjuna's earlier assertion of the non-existence of intrinsic characteristics makes even this view of Dignaaga's too concrete, too ontologically complex.) Such a denial of the existence of abstract entities (to put it in terms of the much later debate between Berkeley and Locke) avoids speculation about the "essence" of cows, or humans; which is consistent with the central Buddhist concept of anatta - the denial of an essence or soul to individual human beings that extends beyond a mere collection of circumstance and causation. Put more traditionally: "everything originates in dependence and thus lacks self-nature" (a position referred to as "svabhaavas'uunya"). Some scholars believe that this theory of universals has been blown up out of misunderstandings of comments by Dignaaga and does not represent his own views. In any case, the principle of exclusion was not extended to individual statements, or the nature of language in general."
and this :
"The concept of svabhaavahetu is a major contribution of Dharmakiirti to Buddhist and Indian logic. In the case of a svabhaavahetu the invariable relation of pervasion between the probans and probandum is based on identity (or nondifference). This implies, according to our interpretation, the thesis that some general statements are true by virtue of meaning. Although such statements are true by virtue of meaning, they are not contentless. This is in disagreement with the view of a large number of recent philosophers who have held that statements true by virtue of meaning must be contentless. Besides giving an exposition of the svabhaavahetu, we have also explained its threefold classification, to which little attention has been paid by recent scholars."
btw, one of the first toying logic games in buddhist logic is around "Is the white horse white?"
10 Dec 2003 @ 06:23 by ming : Buddhist Logic
Cool. Yeah, I knew buddhism would have something good to say there too.
10 Dec 2003 @ 06:24 by istvan : Thank you for the links.
Out of them it is at present almst impossible to chose an outstanding gem.
Out of the past philosophy of NCN, that i will post and discuss vhatewer i feel like posting and vhenewer i feel like posting it, we as an arbitrary cyber group of people have somewhat grown in skills of effective communication, hovewer not yet reached the tools necessary for creative networging toward anything beyond personal, at times rather constricted ideas of what and how would the expressed (within most of the profiles of our members) desires for a new civilisation are on the way to flowering.
I feel eventually to be able to progress beyond where we are now, would be OK to adopt certain, but still open ended guidelines that would invite more people who have gone byond desires for mere chatting, and able to proceed on to wholistic action/sopport of genuine progress.
Perhaps we need to find ways to ecourage non participating members to put more energy to flow within this network.
This from the links may express what i am trying to say clearer than i can.
" Adapted from
THE WHOLENESS PRINCIPLE
Dynamics of Unity Within Science, Religion & Society
By Anna Lemkow
"...an inquiry into the dynamics of wholeness as an all-pervasive principle, by its nature... will demand obtaining as synoptic and inclusive a perspective as possible. one that comprehends to some measure the multi-formed and multi-dimensional nature of existence.
As I see it, we, the human denizens of our planet, are involved in a whole concatenation of mutually-reinforcing developments,. with far-reaching implications for all life on earth as well as for human consciousness. One of these is the unprecedented global interdependendcy of peoples or nations. brought about through modern mass industry, commerce, communications and transpoirt -- developments that were in turn made impossible by modern science and technology. New technology now making its appearence will further intensify societal interconnections. The change that has already been brought is momentous, and its most extraordinay feature is that all the different aspects of societal existence, taken singly and together (including politico-socio-economic conditions, human rights, the quality of the environment, international security and peace), are virtually indivisible. It makes of us our brothers keepers, whether we are ready to be or not.
This globality illustrates remarkably a fundamental proposition of the perennial philosophy. namely that the different dimensions of existence, including the spiritual and moral. the mental, emotional and physical. are inextricably and dynamically interrelated.
As yet the interdependence seem to exacerbate discord, competiveness and conflict among the groups and nations concerned more often than not. Nevertheless. this ubiguitous condition is preceptibly influencing the thinking and behavoir of nations in a positive way as well, if only out of sheer self-interest. The different nations and peoples are increasingly compelled and motivated to support the entire collectivity. In the longer run. unless we annihilate ourselves, the imperatives in our sharing one small planet will serve powerfully, especially in combination with certain other profound trends, to promote and foster a tolerant, broader, more inclusive perspective -- eventually a planetary consciousness...
The other extraordinary and interrelated developments I have in mind are:
+ the present reorientation of science revolving about the probles of wholes and wholeness, whereby science is, for instance increasingly substituting organic models for mechanical models. and shifting from structure-orientated to process-orientated thinking;
+ the way our burgeoning knowledge tends increasingly to coalese;
+ the advent of synoptic studies of world symbology, mythology and religious traditions -- studied that strikingly reveal the transcendent universality of human thought;
+and, in virtue of these various developments the growing perception that religion, philosophy, science, and the arts are mutually harmonious and complementary.
Walt Whitman sang of the Ensemble, not just of the parts, and he sung of all days, not just of a day. In his time, he embraced the Whole -- in his intimitable poet's way -- and looking thus at the objects of the Universe. he found no particle of any but had reference to the soul.
The cosmic process is impartible and mind-prevaded. In our day, science has uncovered this truth ---in its inimitable way. From the cosmos --- the dynamic matrix, the "mind stuff" -- issue alike infinitesimal "particles" and human beings, all capable of intercommunicating, not only locally but also, instantaneously, beyond space/time.
Emanating from and prevaded by boundless Reality, the manifested universe is all of a wholeness, life within life, interpenetrating, impartible. Yet each life is specific and special -- at once unique and reflective of myriad lives.
This is true even here on our tiny planet Earth, swimming in the vastness of space. What are the size and distance when every point of entry can lead to the center here all knowing coverges, where the inner is the outer, and the outer the inner?
Each of us is both unique and a microcosm of the Whole: each is a once scientist/artist/mystic. Hence, each is equipped both to contribute something of value to the co-creation and to unite and be one with the Whole.
Today's emergent but still sorely divided global society obviously stands in urgent need of a common ethic. a universally acceptable ideal and vision by which to live, one that might effectivily foster unity beyond all differences. I believe wholeness is the very idea which fulfills these strigent reuirements -=- that it constitutes the global ethic par excellence. More than that, the notion of wholeness insistently beckons to us, so to speak, from all sides. And inasmuch as wholeness is neither a dogma nor ideology but a living, dynamic, all-prevasive principle, it can be accepted by everyone. That is to say, whereas creeds and ideologies are inherantly controversial, a living principle can never be that; wholeness could not raise objections or offend anyone -- either believers of nonbelievers, scientists are mystics, philosophers or artists. Yet,...this principle-process is profoundly sound on scientific, psychological, moral, philosophical, aesthetic, and spiritual grounds.
Send e-mail to issstopics-L@newciv.org"
Let me know if i am wrong, and how.
10 Dec 2003 @ 06:26 by ming : General Semantics
Ashanti, well, the best place to start with General Semantics would actually be to order Bruce's book "Driving yourself Sane", which you can get directly from him. It is a simple, but rather complete, introduction. Korzybski's main book is "Science and Sanity", which is a huge tome, filled with gold nuggets, but very hard to read. I bought my copy from a used book store, but it is available as new also.
10 Dec 2003 @ 12:59 by The Scarlet Sister @220.127.116.11 : Organic Logic?
ooohhh. I have chills. You wrote this: "Is smoking bad for me? Is extra-marital sex wrong? What is the Republican Party good for? Should I become a buddhist? Should I eat less cheese?" .. right next to this amazing infinity symbol floating over some dimensional floating structures... The infinity is a symbol that means so much to me, and to our Cr8/ Synchronicity philosophy. And this exact issue has come up for me in the past 2 weeks. I have been meaning to write a deeper email about it for Ming-Man -- and I shall. Basically I realized I am living the illusion of having a nuclear life, and all the assumptions that go along with that -- and it was like a parallel Self -- the one who moved to Glastonbury over 4 years ago -- started having conversations with me lately. And I see where I have boxed myself in, just like the world does, in the outer black-white matix. Consciousness, authenticity and True Nature -- these expressions of the deeper Reality, have to do with a wholeness. Not a linear framework of value judgements and the collective 'ideas' of how we 'should' live. Most black/white logic thinkers 'can't deal' with the complexity of truly Living. To be aware that we are all connected, and that we also need to live a life that is expressing our true nature. The false prisms that lull us to sleep, are becons to hide in... until our courage and only that sense of WHO WE REALLY ARE, tells us to become present, and embrace the life and all the moment to moment choices that embody True Mind.
10 Dec 2003 @ 13:06 by Sellitman @18.104.22.168 : Science and Sanity
No offense to Bruce Kodish, and lets not forget Susan Kodish who co-authored the book - I think its truly a blessing to have people out there proactively promoting the ideas of Korzybski but I usually find it best (for myself) whenever possible, to try to go first to the original texts before going to secondary sources.
Many different formulations interrelate to form the system of General Semantics as it applies nowadays and many schools offering information and/or training in that system have sprung up here and there. As it is often the case, a certain degree of divergences, and sometimes some squabbling, is to be expected in such things. As it goes, Id have no doubt that Bruces is as clear a voice as any in the field other than some criticisms of his latest book, Dare to Inquire: Sanity and Survival for the 21st Century and Beyond which some say is politically tainted. But I suppose it does come with the territory whats important is to remain aware that the map is not the territory, right?
10 Dec 2003 @ 14:05 by ming : Wholeness
Jewel, yeah, pretty much anything that adds up to a category is not the real thing. It is all a vast, dynamic, connected *something*, that can't be adequately described with labels and boundaries and categories. Certainly isn't black and white. Life is so much more. Infinite in an infinite number of directions. In all the colors of the rainbow, at the same time. And it is *alive*, not dead boxes.
11 Dec 2003 @ 06:20 by Ashanti @22.214.171.124 : Ming:
Thanks. Will follow up.
11 Dec 2003 @ 06:23 by Ashanti @126.96.36.199 : Original sources
Yep, prefer to start with the originals myself. Reading tomes not a problem, can usually get through them easily. I had thought the originals were out of print, but if not, then we are sorted.
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