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30 comments13 Jan 2004 @ 15:08 by JULIE @188.8.131.52 : BRAVO MY MAHN
I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF. SMIRK.... YES, THAT'S THE CHANGE. THE CONFORMITY, THE EASY ANSWERS LIKE 'THAT'S YOUR LESSON' AND HOW EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE LEVELS... WELL, SOMETIMES IT IS AND SOMETIMES IT AINT. THERE'S SIMPLY NO TELLING ANYMORE. GOTTA LIVE IT, EXPERIENCE IT... AND BE PREPARED TO NOT KNOW.
'THERE AINT NO SIN AND THERE AINT NO VIRTUE, THERE'S JUST STUFF PEOPLE DO' ~ WILLIAM CASEY/ GRAPES OF WRATH
13 Jan 2004 @ 20:09 by Emile @184.108.40.206 : Interesting
Thanks for sharing your view, that explains a lot :) I'm clearly on the skeptical side but this gives me a wider view of what's going on ...
I myself don't believe in any form of supernatural, and am quite skeptical of what calls itself New Age, but I also se that a lot of good ideas come from the same movement. Plus I'm considered new-agey by some other people in my french school 'cause I'm interested in Buddhism and meditation and a lot of weird things. I'm not anti-new age, I'm just from the chaos theory - emergence - global brain - Zen branch, which isn't incompatible with being very skeptical of all supernatural claims (and a good deal of non-supernatural claims involving atlantis, aliens and blokes in black)
Don't feel to worried about your audience !
13 Jan 2004 @ 20:33 by David Weisman @220.127.116.11 : Oddly enough
Oddly enough, one of my main focuses is blogging about a Global Brain that is a sort of hive mind for all humanity. And I don't think of myself as new agey, if anything the skeptical explanation for many paranormal claims makes more sense to me after studying the evidence than any other. Talk about synchronicity though, I keep rereading the comment above this and discovering more and more similarity the more I think about it.
13 Jan 2004 @ 22:53 by ashanti : Observation
....to take or not. From what I observe of you, you seem to get bored with things quite quickly. As soon as you have "got" it, you lose interest and want to move onto something else. Which means you are always interested in new things, and the pace at which you absorb new things that quickly become old accounts for your vast range of styles and interests. This too, will not last. :-) Put another way, you are the Infinite experiencing as many viewpoints as you can, and that's cool.
14 Jan 2004 @ 00:28 by Dana @18.104.22.168 : Insights to write
Please. Write on and I'll read on.
14 Jan 2004 @ 01:32 by jstarrs : You mean New Age has...
..become Old Age? LOL!
It's just a label, anyway.
For me, the bottom line (New Age or not) is:
If you can't be kind to beings, at least don't do them any harm...
14 Jan 2004 @ 01:57 by ming : New and Old Age
Thanks for the comments. Yeah, maybe part of it is that I get bored with things and move on. And I'm usually quite happy even with the things I got bored with. But I'm compelled to keep looking.
Currently I'm more inclined to look at things in emergence, global brain, patterns and systems terms. And look at life with a sort of zen practicality. None of which necessarily changes anything. But they're somewhat easier to talk about with a wider audience.
14 Jan 2004 @ 02:05 by lugon @22.214.171.124 : I like what I read here
I'm a bit more on the skeptical side too. Which means I'm skeptical about skeptics! My gut feeling is today's science hasn't discovered everything, there are "models" in our brains that keep changing (until they cease to change or until they disolve, whichever comes first), and there's a nicer way forward if we put effort and "tricks"/skills (thinking, trial and error and learning, etc) into it.
There's the experiences, there's the memory of experiences, and there are explanations. Explanations are explanations.
People are people. I tend to like people. More so when they don't just act like explanation-displays.
Oo! How very introspective!!! :-)
Keep writing, Ming. Thanks!
14 Jan 2004 @ 14:09 by Adi @126.96.36.199 : Original Creation Universe
Yes, we've moved beyond the New Age as the planet has been ascending toward Her Destiny as the StarSeed Nucleus of the new Original Living Creation Mother Universe......
14 Jan 2004 @ 21:58 by Ge Zi @188.8.131.52 : running it out
I loved that article! It reminded me that once in INCOMM the supercargo tried to get the foul language out of the org - you know that in a scientology org this was destined for failure from the start. He tried that by running all these four letter words out by reciting them on a staff meeting. He must have been collecting all the different versions for quite a while. But it was great - the whole staff cracked up and we were rolling when coming to the end of it. It was great but I guess something earlier must have popped up soon afterwards ;-))
Thanks for that gem,
15 Jan 2004 @ 04:02 by ming : Four letter words
Heheh, yes, that's a fun but useless process there. "Try not to think of the word 'badassmotherfucker'!", "Now do it again!".
15 Jan 2004 @ 07:44 by Dina @184.108.40.206 : Listening
Its the 'unks' 'unks' 'unks' that make the journey so rewarding - thanks Flemming - for a beautiful piece. Keep it going ... we're hearing you !
15 Jan 2004 @ 08:40 by Avi Solomon @220.127.116.11 : Wonder of the 'Ordinary'
For me,the ordinary things of daily life, including the unpleasant,are the most wonderful.Just the fact of anything existing at all, rather than nothing opens the door to wonder, and puts life in joyful perspective.
Keep up the good work!
15 Jan 2004 @ 08:53 by swanny : Courage or Foolishness
You suprise us Ming.....
Honesty in a world where honesty is not the fashion....
In a world perhaps where honesty is punished and ridiculed
So is this courage or foolishness or neither....
and what does it profit one to be honest....???
For under the threat of punishment
truth and honesty are sometimes forsaken for
the sake of guise and disguise.....and ???
Yet confession they say is good for the soul.....
Honesty..... what a concept but it will never fly....
Less it be a reward unto itself.....
To thine own self be honest.....
and to others .......????
Am I being honest....
I am not sure I know the meaning of it any longer...
and perhaps this is simply
Hmmmm well lets see
I suppose I can honestly say
that its Thursday January 15, 2004
more than that.....
15 Jan 2004 @ 09:10 by swanny : A Lesson
No this is not ordinary "brutal" honesty.....
Observe then all....
Ming has shown us.... something quite rare
Forgive me Sir if I am to bold....
But it is rather a beauty of heart.... we see....
16 Jan 2004 @ 20:55 by Phil Wolff @18.104.22.168 : ummmm.....
So, you're taking up real estate?
17 Jan 2004 @ 05:59 by ming : Real Estate
Maybe stamp collecting. Or croquet.
29 Jan 2004 @ 08:50 by JillKarlinButler @22.214.171.124 : The New Agey essay
Thanks for that essay and the comments. Funny when I found Jesus I noticed how up tight all the "christians" were about "the new age" as if it is filled with devil worship. Just by virtue of the fact that we are writing over this internet is enough explanation that we are already living in the new age, but something about those words together that seems to imply something far greater than the sum,a nd it seems to also be a hot spot or subject, like religion.... I always thought that science was like religion also. JKB
29 Jan 2004 @ 12:40 by ming : Uptight
Yeah, a lot of people are uptight when the shakey foundation of their beliefs is being poked at. Whether their belief pretends to be based on science or religion or primetime TV. But if we can manage to understand that we're all looking for workable wisdom and trying to understand life and the universe, we might actually get along very well, even though we might be starting from different angles.
20 Feb 2004 @ 09:03 by jason @126.96.36.199 : New Age
I appreciate your honest attempt to be real, and also to be flexible. It seems to me that rigidity can often lead to cracking and crumbleing. If, however, you go only by what you experience and go only by what seems to be working better does it not leave you vulnerable to aimless wandering in life? Sometimes it is nice to just get in the canoe and drift with the breeze and the current. When there is a storm (and life provides many storms) would it not be nice to have a trusty paddle to go back and rely on? Often a standard or a plumb line is necessary in order to avoid errors in building so that we don't build a crooked house.
20 Feb 2004 @ 10:02 by ming : Compass
Yes, that's a good way of putting it. You're right, it is very nice to have some kind of tools or guidelines ready for when you find yourself in a storm. I suppose what I'm trying to do is to find the most true and eternal guidelines. Sometimes that means I've rejected a tool which really would be handy to have in a storm. But because I moved on from the previous system, I might also synchronistically just have found something that serves me really well at the time. Or I find that if I take a fresh look, there actually IS some eternal principle that I already know well, and which I never threw away, and which actually fits the circumstances perfectly.
Mostly I'm trying to be in tune with my own inner compass, as opposed to carrying around a book I need to look in to know what to do. I wouldn't want to be without a compass at all.
20 Feb 2004 @ 14:21 by jason @188.8.131.52 : New Age
Internal compass is an interesting thought. By that do you mean something that is unique to yourself, but perhaps different from that of those around you? It occurs to me that sometimes we are accustomed to thinking of ouselves as individual islands, when perhaps the reality is that we are more like a fleet of ships. We are certainly independant, but there are others around us and what we do affects them too. This being the case, it requires some sort of common compass so that as we travel through life we are not traveling aimlessly and slamming into others around us. I find that my internal compass can become so scewed by emotion etc. that it gives unreliable readings. I need some consistent, reliable and objective standard with which to compare.
20 Feb 2004 @ 16:11 by ming : Islands or fleets
The way I believe it to work is that there's something deep inside of us, which we can find if we stop thinking so much, and stop dwelling in superficial emotions. Something which is both more uniquely us, individually, and also, paradoxically, plugged right into the whole that all of us are made of.
So, the urges and automatic thoughts and reactionary emotions, which is probably what most people notice first, is probably more likely to just be unconscious rehashing of what has been read in from the surrounding world. Just regurgitated fears and reactions and incomplete information. And, yes, they're generally a bad compass.
But somewhere beyond all of that I think there's a compass that never really fails, and which isn't subject to petty obsessions, but which always knows the truth.
20 Feb 2004 @ 16:34 by jason @184.108.40.206 : contradiction
I am a bit confused as to your point. Does the notion of "stop thinking so much, and stop dwelling in superficial emotion" not contradict what you stated originally which is: "The experiences and what you think and feel about them might be enough"?
20 Feb 2004 @ 17:27 by ming : Paradoxes
Hahah, good point! Let me, eh, think .... They're referring to somewhat different things. In that "the experiences and what you think and feel about them might be enough" I'm speaking out against having to have a big belief system and a body of abstract knowledge to go with experiences in your life. Living in itself is a good thing, and sometimes being fully in the moment is more useful than always cross-referencing everything with a set of beliefs one is carrying around. So we're talking about something *real* versus something several steps removed. And we're talking about being *present*.
In my suggestion to "stop thinking so much, and stop dwelling in superficial emotion", I'm not being against perceiving the world, and observing what is going on, and being conscious of one's experience. On the contrary.
Words easily get in the way. What I'm trying to do is to make a distinction between different kinds of feelings, different kinds of thought, different kinds of consciousness. And I'm judging some of them more negatively - the ones that are more based on reactions, fixed ideas, stuck emotions from the past, obsessive thoughts going in circles. I judge those to be less conscious, less sane, or whatever words we attach to it. And then there's another way of doing it, or rather of *being*, which I judge to be more useful or sane. Which might involve feeling things, and it might involve having thoughts about what it means. But it is in the moment, in the present time, and it involves being very attentive to what is going on right now. As opposed to cross-relating it with lots of things from the past or the future in order to arrive at what it means.
Am I making sense? It is a bit difficult to talk about because words like "thought" or "feeling" might mean quite a wide variety of things.
One way of putting it is that there are various levels of abstraction, further and further removed from primary experience. Already when we've put an experience into words, we've lost a good deal of what it really was, over-simplifying it in order to fit it into the words that are available. And then when we try to categorize it into being one named kind of experience or another, we're letting go of even more detail, in order to easily communicate abstractly. Which is good and useful when we need to share ideas, but, generally speaking, real life is found by going the other way.
And, while there's great use in communicating abstractly in order to share knowledge, it is more risky to do the same with feelings, particularly negative emotions, which might end up creating a lot of havoc if generalized and applied out of context.
20 Feb 2004 @ 19:44 by jason @220.127.116.11 : substance
I must thank you for all the time and energy that you have offered me today. Alas I find I must conclude what I feared from the outset. At first the flexiblbity of you outlook seemed so attractive. Seeking to be open to all the new experiences as they came seemed to provide the opportuinity for such choice, diversity and a wide selection- a real Chinese Buffet if you will. Unfortunately, it seems that much like the Chinese Buffet there is a lot of MSG-it looks attractive on the surface but not much depth. Nothing to really
nourish the soul. Perhaps I will stick to the Bread of Life and the Living Water.
21 Feb 2004 @ 13:46 by ming : Foundations
No problem. ... Ah, I see from your site that you're more coming from a Christian perspective. Which might explain why it doesn't quite click for you what I'm saying. Which is fine. It doesn't have to. But if it helps anything, the primary experience I'm talking about points to something, an underlying unity, we could well call "God", or "All-that-is". Or the "quantum field" or the "Omniverse". I prefer just calling it something like "Life" or "Being" and I'm not fond of anybody's attempt of codifying it into a book or a set of static beliefs. I prefer being in touch with it myself, and I don't particularly antropomorphize it.
6 May 2004 @ 09:35 by Tim @18.104.22.168 : I'm hearing this a lot...
... a bit of a delayed visit to this thread, but I've noticed that a lot of my friends who might have previoulsy seen themselves a a bit New-Agey are, in some measure either growing up, moving on, or otherwise evolving. And I have to include myself in this too. I'm more interested in spiritual (and earthly) pragmatism these days than being concerned about whether or not I'm Adcending, have Ascended, amd going to be 'beamed up' soon etc.
15 May 2006 @ 14:40 by Chromotherapy @22.214.171.124 : Color therapy
Check out this introduction article on Chromotherapy:
* 1 What do chromotherapists do?
* 2 Disadvantages
* 3 History
* 4 The Chakras and colors
14 Aug 2006 @ 17:12 by Divinity Rose @126.96.36.199 : bah
the reason i never got into new age was the new agers seem to get just as involved and caught up in a dogma as any other church or religious group...i refuse to label myself as anything....I AM... and that is all...spirituality is an individual journey...not a group journey
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