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Category: Philosophy 9 comments 14 Apr 2004 @ 14:39 by Hanae @69.33.46.10 : The Dreaming UniverseIt is not how we do it that is important but what we do ;-) Following up on Bart Kosko's statementyour {link:http://ming.tv/flemming2.php?did=10&vid=10&xmode=show_article&amode=standard&aoffset=0&artid=000010-001195&time=1081975298|Imagining the year 3000} entryI don't know much about Heaven, but I know about Hell. In Paradise Lost, Milton describes Hell as a place where "hope never comes." Another way to look at it is to think of Hell as a "closed system." I prefer to think of life as an "open system"a chess analogy (a poor one, but it will do for my purpose.) An obvious benefit of open systems is that they introduce an enormous variety of tactical ideas. In chess, open positions are fundamental because an open position can never become closed (myself, I don't care much for the so-called "Prophecies of Old." I feel more confortable with the idea that "God" does play dice), fortunately many closed positions can be forced open and "Dreams exist wheter you believe in them or not." Thank you for the inspiring post, Ming. 14 Apr 2004 @ 22:25 by Sellitman @209.178.161.115 : Fantastic Realities: "Then tell me some things. I have heard daysiders say that the core of the world is a molten demon, that the temperature increases as one descends toward it, that if the crust of the world be pierced then fires leap forth and melted minerals build volcanoes. Yet I know that volcanoes are the doings of fire elementals who if disturbed, melt the ground about them and hurl it upward. They exist in small pockets. One may descend far past them without the temperature increasing. Traveling far enough, one comes to the center of the world, which is not molten---which contains the Machine, with great springs, as in a clock, and gears and pulleys and counterbalances. I know this to be true, for I have journeyed that way and been near to the Machine itself. Still, the daysiders have ways of demonstrating that their view is the correct one. I was almost convinced by the way one man explained it, though I knew better. How can this be?" "You were both correct," said Morningstar. "It is the same thing that you both describe, although neither of you sees it as it really is. Each of you colors reality in keeping with your means of controlling it. For if it is uncontrollable, you fear it. Sometimes then, you color it incomprehensible. In your case, a machine; in theirs, a demon." "The stars I know to be the houses of spirits and deities---some friendly, some unfriendly and many not caring. All are near at hand and can be reached. They will respond when properly invoked. Yet the daysiders say that they are vast distances away and that there is no intelligence there. Again...?" "It is again but two ways of regarding reality, both of them correct." "If there can be two ways, may there not be a third? Or a fourth? Or as many as there are people, for that matter?" "Yes," said Morningstar. "Then which one is correct?" "They all are." "But to see it all as it is, beneath it all! Is this possible?" Morningstar did not reply. "Why is it," he asked, "that the Fallen-Star who brought us knowledge of the Art, did not extend it to the daysiders as well?" "Perhaps," said Morningstar, "the more theologically inclined among the lightlanders ask why he did not grant the boon of science to the darksiders. What difference does it make? I have heard the story that neither was the gift of the Fallen One, but both the inventions of man; that his gift, rather, was that of consciousness, which creates its own systems." ---Roger Zelazny, "Jack of Shadows" 15 Apr 2004 @ 08:32 by swanny : Mutual Reality What you say can perhaps apply but it has no "effect" until it applies mutually by that I mean that there are seperate realities but there is also like a mass hyponosis about a consentual reality. If we stop believing in communication for instance..... then what happens.... We would have 7 billion different realities but I would argue that there are some "necessary truths" for us to live in a constructive and mutual way. What they would be are somewhat close to what your enlightening prose suggests. swanny 15 Apr 2004 @ 17:25 by Hanae @69.33.46.10 : What is real? "Mutual Reality", "Effects", "Necessary Truth", "There are", "There is"... I hear what you are trying to say, swanny (' reminds me of Joseph chilton Pierce's book, {link:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0892819944/inktomi-bkasin-20/ref%3Dnosim/104-2082615-0579107|The crack in the cosmic Egg}), what you say is interesting but it all sound like more theoretical modeling to me (if I may be so bold) and I think the point of Ming' s "enlightening prose," as you put it, was precisely that theoretical models are just theoretical models: "There's a lot of things our theories say don't exist or can't exist" but "the flowers keep blooming and the planets keep rotating around their stars." "Life exists. Consciousness exists. I exist." "What matters is what is there and what you actually do." 21 Apr 2004 @ 05:28 by ming : Beliefs Hahah, got me there. ...Actually there's a lot of wisdom in that. Specific rules and laws and understandings of the world around us might drop away, as they're merely maps of the territory. But the mechanism that allows us to believe and that allows us to find that which we believe in - that remains, whether we realize it or not. 8 May 2004 @ 13:40 by Tony @213.122.92.116 : consciousness assuming Anything one assumes or thinks or see's ,at least for those of us who are not yet awake,is bound to be distorted by the conditoning that we carry..What we seem to be (as many have suggested) is pure consciousness, which has for most of us,identified with our psychological content, from which we generate our thoughts/views as egocentric and fear based motivations for the violence of this world...We appear not (yet) to have learnt how to use thought... 6 Jun 2004 @ 13:38 by aainaacom : De-Conditioning Is Crtical To Evolution Yes, Reality Exists. All else are just mere cosmetics... words that write a paragraph of experiences, whether "real" or otherwise. To embrace the Absolute Reality, discard the form, and find your non-duality existence, on the Rainbow Bridge that connects your essence within the Essence of "Life". 13 Aug 2004 @ 21:07 by Quantum Mechanic at Large @24.98.1.76 : Reality - Perception Reality- A construct of our brains perception. Engendered by conception time is only real because of recolection. When reality rocks its clear that life itself is keeper of the clock. Quantum Mechanic at Large 19 Jul 2013 @ 03:01 by PatrickGladys31 @46.161.41.16 : re Buildings are not very cheap and not everybody can buy it. But, credit loans are invented to help people in such kind of situations. 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14 Apr 2004 @ 10:13, by Flemming Funch