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9 comments14 Oct 2002 @ 23:19 by vaxen : The reason is...
"The mind is not the brain. The mind is an energy field. The brain is a physical 'switchboard' between the mind and the body."
Are you familiar, at all, with 'Wernicke's commands?'
Good thoughts but...can be carried a lot further. Keep pushing flemming san.
14 Oct 2002 @ 23:55 by shawa : I agree with Vaxen´s...
...last comment. These are interesting thoughts.
Organizations can get distorted by the bits of the "creator" who don´t want to "come out and be examined", certain unconscious structures which are the fundamental lie society has you believing is "you". So, until ALL you think is "you" is not examined by yourself-as-Observer (next level of personal integration) - there´s little chance that you will not produce a distorsion (albeit a creative one, if you are honest to begin with) and entrain numerous "mistakes" in the luminous web of Creation. Which would create a situation that would have to be addressed, and this would become a learning tool for lots of people (for ex. NCN).
You are right when you say that to "see" something, it must be brought "out" - and be seen, and then re-integrated WITH the analysis, in its rightful place, to become more effective and change the real world. That is valid for groups and organizations, too. Not only individuals in therapy.
I hope you do that with NCN ... :-)
15 Oct 2002 @ 00:53 by ming : Examination
Hm, yes, it would be nice if there would be a way of doing it in a useful way within NCN, where we could bring things out and look at them, without getting into fights about what we see. Oh, we're doing it to some degree, I suppose, but not enough.
15 Oct 2002 @ 00:56 by ming : Brains
Vaxen, yes, I agree that the mind and the brain is not the same thing, and that the brain is probably more like a switchboard.
I don't think I know what Wernicke's commands are. Is that related to Touch for Health?
23 Oct 2002 @ 02:39 by dharmicmel : wage slaves
I disagree with your thoughts on waves slaves, and in fact, I disagree with most economic thinking, no matter where it comes from
I am not at all interested in this dichotomy of whether I am successful because I think of myself as a business person or a worker; I am successful just because I exist, and it really does not matter who thinks what on that; I am a worker, but not in the capitalist sense; I am a worker for the greater dharma, which has to do with raising consciousness, or more to the point, the evolution of consciousness; that is work, an important work, second to none
this endless, senseless money grubbing is of less and less interest to me as time goes by; everything, it seems, sooner or later, has to go back to $$$; but as we evolve consciousness, we are only going to take the consciousness with us; let's instead, get on with the serious business of shaping technology to do our will, i.e, a greater will, something that would in fact reflect higher principles regarding a New Civilization; there is all this talk about what a great and glorious future we can create, and I agree with a lot if it, but I find it almost impossible to believe that all we can come up with, in all of that, is the endless economic indentured servitude of the mind of money; let us develop nanotechnology, for example, to create a material superabundance, coupled with Artilects to run things for us, for humans, and then the money grubbing will be over -- once and for all, and we can do more interesting things, like evolve consciousness, and all that is involved in the greater dharmic dance
ask the millions of wage slaves in this country what it means to be a wage slave; and ask them if they want to run the show, as it were; many among us do not want to be capitalists, we want to get by, and there is nothing wrong with that; we want, instead, to go further, higher, and deeper in the consciousness continuum, as though it were real and actually meant something
someone lamented about the lack of revolutionaries here at NCN, or more to the point, the lack of the revolutionary spirit; I see it in a lot of places, and it must be understood that it is not just one thing
I think we have to get over the money-grubbing trip once and for all; I am not interested in the present system; I want something that goes beyond the present consensus agreement of fundamentalist materialism, and I think it can happen, especially if we were to use the resources of the earth as though they were intended for one and all, and not for selfish competition, or a struggle as to who will be a wage slave and who will run things; advanced, intelligently evolved machines can, it is envisioned, run things and we -- human beings -- can do other things
then, there will be no more wage slaves, and that will be a great and wonderful day, even if it seems impossible, or a very long, long time coming
Sherie, where are you?; you need to get in on this
p.s. I have the greatest respect and interest in Mr. Flemmings words, but I think there is too much worship of what he says; he is an ICON at NCN, but I submit that NCN does not need ICONS, but rather radical thinkers and free spirits; we should agree to disagree, and think more in opposites; that would be revolutionary
melvin. mindgarden. wednesday. 23 october 2002 ce
23 Oct 2002 @ 02:56 by ming : Beyond Money
I think I agree with all of that too.
But I'm interested in the strategies involved in getting there faster - to a conscious, abundant society, where money is meaningless. Do we dream about that, while allowing ourselves to be exploited in the present, or do we endeavor to arrange our present circumstances to best propel things towards what we really want.
24 Oct 2002 @ 01:33 by dharmicmel : beyond money grubbing
I think we have to be active in an active world; that is why I refer to things as the greater dharmic dance
sometimes, the dream, the vision, the desire for a new world, a better world, seems impossibly far away
we are exploited, in this world, no matter what we dream, or not dream, because there are many competing truth claims, worldviews, values, attitudes, assumptions, and dreams; there are those among us who like the status quo, and who have a lot invested in it; the establishment, as it were, is not going to hand it over, and will resist a conscious change to transcend money
yes, we have to work with the present circumstances and conditions, but that is a very mixed bag
what I really want is an end to money, and yet, I have to work with and through money, to make that happen; I guess, in a way, it is like having to work in and through flesh and blood to realize transhumanist states, or higher spiritual states
the thing about the icon reference: I feel like too many hang on your thoughts, instead of thinking for themselves; it is not your fault, and I apologize if I have offended you, because that was not my intention; sometimes the fire inside of me gets ahead of me
all in all, right at this moment, this seems to be a very depressing subject
melvin. mindgarden. ground zero. thursday. 24 october 2002 ce
7 Feb 2009 @ 12:32 by john ward @220.127.116.11 : 2002 article, putting things outside us
I'm not sure it's putting stuff OUTSIDE ourselves as not identifying with one's EGO...in other words obeying the soul rather than the little man in the right cortex. Since you wrote this, we've had Iraq, South Ossetia, Zimbabwe, the Congo and now the banker-produced credit-crunch. All caused by identification with dysfunctional ego demands.
But I enjoyed the piece very much. Have you read any of Harold Lasswell's earlier works - eg The Psychology of Politics? It's impractical but very thought-provoking.
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