|New Civilization News: Dreaming|
Category: Altered States
31 comments10 Jun 2004 @ 11:49 by Tlingel @220.127.116.11 : Brazil :-)
Not to mention that there is already there, in that world, a quality about Brazil that is very dreamlike already and does involve some quite interesting oniric sequences with the main character doing some flying of his own.
He He, what was that quote by Hemann Hesse, "I live in my dreams. That's what you sense. Most people likewise live in dreams, but not in their own; thats the difference." (Steppenwolf, was it? Or was it Siddharta?)
10 Jun 2004 @ 15:51 by Quirkeboy @18.104.22.168 : Lucid dreaming advice?
Im amazed at your ability to control your dreams so well.. do you mean you can literally dream on command? Or is it more of a trial and error thing? Ive had pretty regular success at regular lucid dreaming.. but Ive only been able to follow my mind from a waking state and into a dream state a few times .. its rather a conscious decision to give up control to the dreams and to merely act as an observer. But what a thrill to consciously observe your own brain falling asleep!!.. It seems so impossible .. to split your brain into the conscious and the unconscious!?! (Could this have anything to do with our separate fighting brain components in the other article you posted?)
Lucid dreaming Im pretty good at.. but do you have any tips or tricks to help me learn to consciously BEGIN to dream?? To dream while awake (like the dissolving wall of your office)??
10 Jun 2004 @ 16:24 by ming : Dreaming
I must admit first of all that I can't always do it. Or, rather, there are periods of time where, if I've sort of done the groundwork, I can do it on command. I.e. if I'm generally sleeping enough, and spending enough time in a meditative state, and not just running around being stressed. And if I generally pay attention to my inner state, my feelings, perceptions, etc.
And then the trick is in starting off a somewhat different way than normally when one just falls asleep. Or even the normal ways of trying to be lucid. Not shying away from using deliberate imagination to get started. That can be done in various ways, but some of what has worked for me is:
Imagine anything that it would be interesting to explore. A mountain, a castle, a forest, a cave, a village. Deliberately construct the visuals for how you think it would look. In color, 3D, as clear and sharp as possible. And then add some other perceptions to it. Is it warm or cold, what does the air smell like, what sounds would one hear? There's then this shift that happens sooner or later, often sooner, where one no longer painstakingly tries to think oneself to what it ought to be, but the whole scene starts filling itself in, and things start happening. By themselves. One could say that the difference between something one just constructs and a real reality, dream or memory or remote viewing, is the degree to which one *discovers* stuff, stuff that is somewhat surprising, as opposed to just putting things there one already knows about. Most people have to overcome some issues of doubting what is there, thinking they just put it there from memory.
Anyway, so if I do that while falling asleep, it quite quickly slips into a conscious dream, where I can explore what is there. And usually, a bit later, it takes its own turns and becomes a normal dream where even weirder things happen.
And the more I do it, the more possibilities start spontaneously presenting themselves. Sort of like a portal opens. How about this reality? And I can either take the bait and look into it or just leave it alone.
Another approach, using imagination to start as well, is more OOB like. Since I was having trouble quite getting anywhere with the Monroe approach, what I started doing was to visualize another body. So, instead of working on crawling out of this one, I imagine another body standing next to my bed. And, again, it quickly started getting a life of its own. I discovered that my particular body that presented itself was this sort of golden, somewhat robot-like, figure. Always the same one. And once I got pretty good and perceiving it just standing there, I found that I could make it walk around, and if I paid really good attention to how it felt, I could then move most of my awareness over into it. And then start moving around more freely. It seemed to stay in what seemed to be this same physical reality, but not very limited by physical laws, so it could walk through walls and move very quickly.
10 Jun 2004 @ 17:11 by McGurk @22.214.171.124 : The quote by Herman Hesse
is from Steppenwolf.
A young man wrote to Mozart and said, "Herr Mozart, I am thinking of
writing symphonies. Can you give me any suggestions as to how to get
Mozart responded, "A symphony is a very complex musical form, perhaps
you should begin with some simple lieder and work your way up to a symphony."
"But Herr Mozart, you were writing symphonies when you were 8 years old."
"But I never asked anybody how."
"Ring the bells that still can ring.
Forget your perfect offering.
There is a crack in everything.
That's how the light gets in."
Always remember that you hold the ace, which is your option to
play a different game...and in your game, you can make better rules."
10 Jun 2004 @ 18:08 by Quirkeboy @126.96.36.199 : Facets
Thanks! I'll definitely have to try your suggestions.. Ive had a weird outta body dream.. but not intentionally.
One of the times Ive successfully "accompanied" my brain into a dream state.. I formed a faceted metal seed.. and each time I took another step closer to dreaming one of the facets would open.. like a blooming flower.. The thing is I never saw what lay inside of the pod!?!
10 Jun 2004 @ 18:18 by Tlingel @188.8.131.52 : Steppenwolf...
...yeah, that's what I though. Thanks, McGurk :-)
11 Jun 2004 @ 00:17 by ashanti : The Dreaming
Very synchronous. Specially after I had such a vivid dream about hanging out with you a while ago - I had another one again, different context, but same basic feeling. Really cool. The Dreaming - the original one, experienced and remembered first by the Australian Aborigines - showed our world as essentially more fluid, dream-like. I spent time with a community in the great red desert in Western Australia, and they inducted me into the Dreaming. It's almost beyond words, but they *live* in it when they are awake, not only asleep. It is so beautiful, magical, a much more deep and enriching way to live. Far more creative.
I'm noticing that the Dreaming is closer, we are more in touch with it, more people are able to access it, and interestingly, simultaneously, there is a lot of unmasking of things (not especially nice things) that were hidden in the past. There is definitely a movement in mass consciousness going on. I think your experiences with dreaming are yet another indication.
Layers of illusion are lifting.
PS - Steppenwolf - one of my all-time favourite novels ever! :-)
11 Jun 2004 @ 03:45 by jstarrs : Reminds me...
...of a BBC docu I saw years ago - an ordinary guy of scientific leanings had invented a box that stimulated the alpha waves at a certain point of sleep so that the person connected to it was able to have lucid dreams, as he wished.
Well, the inventor tried the machine out on six 'students', over a weekend, in a house in the country. The docu related this...
One of the students told of his lucid dream experiences.
He said he'd 'woken up' on a desert island beach and saw a beautiful, naked woman, walking towards him. The interviewer asked what happened next but the guy was too embarassed to go ino the details.
I never saw any follow up on this box, anywhere.
I always wondered what the consequences would have been, if ever it had been commercialized?
11 Jun 2004 @ 12:42 by Tlingel @184.108.40.206 : It's not only in dreams,
that we find ourselves facing what is yeat to be in what was long forgotten, and speaking what seems nonsense because we will not see its meaning.
(U.K. Leguin: "The farthest shore")
13 Jun 2004 @ 21:56 by celestial @220.127.116.11 : More Than a Dream
In the third paragraph, last sentence, you say "But if you can consciously become aware of your hands, then you can probably go a step further and do something with them" makes me think of the "cursor" inside the computer. You're really on to something there Ming!!! Maybe you can go inside your own body and metamorphose into something else!!!
11 Dec 2006 @ 11:10 by Catsman @18.104.22.168 : Starting a Dream
A very interesting technique I am working with to induce an OOBE actually happened by accident one day. I got up at 6am to goto work (I was a painter) and it was really raining hard. Halfway to the bosses house I got a txt to say "no work today, cya 2morro" so having a slight hangover and feeling a little unwell (nothing serious just blah!" I decided to go back to bed. It wasn't hard to go back to sleep and very soon it was about Lunchtime. I woke up, looked at the clock and decided to try a visulisation while I was very relaxed... This is where it got weird, I rolled my eyes up (towards my forehead) and just started with simple shapes etc. Before I knew what happened I was thrusted into a very Lucid dream, I recognized my old school but it had a a massive basement of underground passages (I would put this close to the DMT Vault for those of you who know) but much much bigger, the maze of passages would go on forever. Anyway back to the point, very early into the dream I "woke up" still dreaming, my eyes were moving very fast (as if a computer makes that ticking sound when its loading) and I was aware of my body in the bed and of the current dream still going on, but when i tried to actually wake up (or even sit up) i could not. It was the first time I had ever had Sleep Paralasys and It hasnt happened since. My advice to you, if you want to give it a try, when you wake (somehow you have yo be waking, don't know why) look up, close your eyes and "half blink quickly" like not quite blink but just flick your top eyelids as to simulate REM sleep. If you can easily go back to sleep normally then this is for you. It takes about 5 minutes, just try to visulize your last dream (especially if it was Lucid) and, while your concentrating on that, your subconciously working your eyes and telling your brain your going into REM sleep, so strap on your brain helmit because before you know it your in.
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