|New Civilization News: Google doesn't like me any more|
27 comments13 Aug 2005 @ 02:55 by ming : Google
Google's ways can be inscrutable, even though lots of people are talking about it and sharing what they know. Can take months and months before they bother to come visiting the site the first time. After having watched the logs carefully on a number of sites, I thought I knew the rhythm. Well, I sort of do. I just don't know yet what it is one gets kicked off for.
13 Aug 2005 @ 04:47 by UnGoogle @18.104.22.168 : Circumvent Google for Income...
You might want to consider "pay-to-Surf" programs for income and circumvent the "SEO" thing altogether... I mean, the concept is super simple, doesn't take /that/ much time, and can earn you a few thousand $$$/month whilst you focus on your real passion (like NCN).
Take StudioTraffic for example: Going now over 2 and a half years paying consistently 1% per day... Indications are that it may well successfully grow for another 2 and a half years.
Also, although there are many of these programs popping up all over the net, Paid Response is another one on the solid rise being successful (meaning paying) consistently since April.
I mean, they may not be the most "meaningful" of persuits online, but if its cashflow you want, circumvent Google and go Pay-to-Surf!
13 Aug 2005 @ 08:27 by fleer : perhaps
somebody at dmoz.org banned you. You only have 2 entries there and perhaps an editor saw your site as kind of unoriginal content. Like the incredible numbers of spyware serving empty sites.
Also you don´t have a kind of "about" on the page. Maybe a statement that declares opentopia a spyware free site could help getting you back in google.
But there are also rumours on the net, that M$ is buying into or collaborating with google. And that could also be a reason. Ofcourse I can´t find a link for that story right now... :/
13 Aug 2005 @ 09:30 by ming : Bans
Well, nobody at dmoz should be able to decide much more than whether to include me in their directory or not. Which google then carries, as does my site. But I don't think anybody goes around banning anybody there.
Some more human "about" info might be an idea. Although I think this is an automated thing, rather than somebody sitting evaluating sites, to decide whether they're worthy or not.
13 Aug 2005 @ 09:37 by fleer : found this
about google in Danish.
In short some hosting companies block search engines from indexing. Perhaps that could be the problem.
Index af google, udbyder blokerer måske (Danish)
13 Aug 2005 @ 09:50 by ming : pay2surf
Well, I have tried StudioTraffic and other program like it. Well, it is certainly not the worst of that kind of programs I've seen. It is something one might try if one really has no real traffic for some new site. But I found I mostly had wasted my time. I mean, I'm looking for real visitors who are interested in something on the site, and I'm looking for 10s of thousands of them. So far, the best way I know of doing that, other than having a lot of pages listed in Google, is to invent something cool and useful that a lot of people like and link to, and pass around to their friends, and come back to. My time would be better spent doing that, rather than going around clicking on random websites. Like look at my webcam thing. Took two days to make, and it had 50,000 visitors in less than a week. Because it happened to be interesting.
13 Aug 2005 @ 09:54 by ming : Search engines
Flemming, well, I'm running my own servers, so it isn't that. I could understand if some regular ISPs might be concerned about search engine traffic for regular accounts. Like, for opentopia there, Google would get a page a second, 24/7, for months. And a couple of other major players have been almost as busy. Sometimes a gigabyte a day, just from search engine spiders.
13 Aug 2005 @ 10:13 by fleer : okay
check your newciv online mail :)
13 Aug 2005 @ 14:40 by jstarrs : This made a lot of noise...
..not long ago & it seems, by what you're describing, to be right in course.
13 Aug 2005 @ 15:35 by fleer : thanks jstarrs
I hadn´t seen that one.
But yes, where does a commercial driven internet go in regards to democracy ?
We should give that a careful consideration.
Because an EPIC system could possibly stop important things from being discovered.
Like e.g. echelon.
13 Aug 2005 @ 16:00 by ming : EPIC
And the problem is that we hardly resist when the guys who're talking over the world are "the good guys" and they're cool. We welcome the nice free innovations along the way. And as long as they give us what we want, we're happy. But we might suddenly find ourselves in a world where most information is controlled by one or two companies. And even if they still have the best of intentions, their automated algorithms won't always be right. Our access to information and ability to communicate on the net is only becoming more and more crucial. So, yes, we should be worried that there's no democracy in place that safeguards it. Just some algorithms.
A bit like a government run by automatic algorithms. Some program decides you're probably up to something bad, based on some pattern matching algorithm. So, it sends out a robocop and locks you up in jail. And if you have a complaint about that, you can talk with another program, which will decide based on some algorithm whether it has any merit or not. Scary, of course.
And, well, one can think of mechanisms that might minimize such problems. Like, what makes google useful and gives it its power is that it analyzes our choices. It indexes web pages based on how popular we make them seem to be, by how much we link to them. That isn't fool proof, of course. It could be taken to another level. Our personal choices could be mined more thoroughly, in more dimensions. If an automatic decision is made, and a bunch of people think it wasn't fair, that should be part of the feedback loop, and it should be able to correct itself.
Like, back to my website, if Google was smart enough to notice that it wasn't just a matter of blind links, but a lot of peple actually liked my website, and found it useful, they could make a better decision. It is unfortunately still possible to create fake "popularity" by making bogus links between websites. But that whole thing could be improved, so that real choices better could be identified.
13 Aug 2005 @ 16:09 by ming : Keywords
Flemming, ah, thank you for the message! Indeed it seems I have a problem with my keywords. I have a great many pages that use the same keywords, even though they have different content. Like, all my directory pages say "search directory" and that kind of thing. Which indeed might make it look like I'm trying to cheat or something. I will change that right away.
13 Aug 2005 @ 16:54 by jstarrs : Recently...
..there was a wave of panic from protectionist US groups about 'the UN wanting to control internet' when, in fact, it was the US doing a double take on it's decison to open up ICANN (which is US controlled) to a more international control, thus reflecting the present international (of course) development of internet.
More US paranoia.
13 Aug 2005 @ 17:52 by ming : Keywords Again
Actually it is kind of embarrassing. I've done some really obvious SEO 101 blunders without noticing. You know, like a half million pages with the same title, keywords and description. That's a no-no. Plus it would make the pages show badly in the listings, because it isn't clear what they're about. And not like I didn't know, I just didn't notice. Anyway, now I've corrected that, and I bet that will make a difference. So, thank you, Flemming, for pointing it out!
13 Aug 2005 @ 19:03 by fleer : glad to help out
Flemming. I hope google will see the difference soon. There´s still a lot of sites that point to opentopia. I suggest that you try submitting via open directory or just wait it out. There used to be some place where you could seek a kind of autounban for sites that somehow was dropped (4 years back). But perhaps it´s been removed, because of massive requests. Also some 434 on del.icio.us have the webcam page on their bookmarks page. So it´s got some good pageranking in favor of it. Also try to submit it to some well established directories. If it´s not already listed. I don´t think it´s in yahoo.com, so that would be a primer :) geeknerd ;) - must say that after starting using a CMS system I got a notion of the extent of your programming skills. Awesome !
I think the reason for americans being so much against UN goes way back to when Martin Luther King, jr was active in the southern parts of US with the freedom marches (- think they were called that). The UN flag was brought along on some of the marches. Although many have forgotten that. Not saying that they´re racists or anything. They just don´t remember how it started and what the reason for UN resentment was in the first place.
13 Aug 2005 @ 19:35 by ming : Directories
I've submitted to Open Directory several times, but so far they haven't reacted. Yeah, that's an important one. As far as I remember, Yahoo is using that too. And, yes, a considerable number of sites link to opentopia. And, just this month so far, 23,000 people came by from a recent link on stumbledupon.com, and about 9,000 from digg.com. And its been on BoingBoing and Slashdot and stuff like that. The main page had PageRank 7, as far as I remember, and several of the other pages had 6, so it isn't bad at all. As long as Google starts listing it again. Things mostly get interesting when it gets past 100,000 unique visitors in a month. The two months before this one were 120,000 and 160,000. Without Google I'll have something like 50-60,000 visitors this month. Which isn't bad by any standard. But, incidentally, the people who come from Google listings also click a lot more on the Google ads than either frequent visitors or the people who come from sites that list the latest cool stuff. Because they actually are looking for something, and the context sensitive ads become an added service, rather than the minor annoyance it is to everybody else.
29 Aug 2005 @ 20:20 by FlemmingLeer @22.214.171.124 : Found this one Flemming
Just found this one.
It got me to block access to an unfinesh newspage I´m working on.
5 Sep 2005 @ 18:29 by Lionel @126.96.36.199 : Boycott
Your search engine really kicks ass. One of the best, ever. Google may boycott creative sites. Are they jealous? Do they want to monopolize the Web? Mmh, I'm sure they plan to.
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