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picture 3 Mar 2006 @ 18:01, by Anthony Marsh

Again, high school kids find a way, to make efficiant use of alternitive fuels. In my own engine set up, I've been able to get the 0 to 60 in 4 seconds, but not the MPG, so far, best I can get is 27mpg, it's still better mileage than the stock 13mpg you get from a big engine.

But these kids, being misfits and dropouts, finding a class they like, and not only comming up with a cool engine set up, but also self esteem to get better grades, and really make a differance in the world.

Hopfuly they don't get shot down by the automotive and oil industries. :}

"The CBS news article below reveals a major breakthrough in car engine design. This car engine gets over 50 mpg, goes from zero to 60 in four seconds, and runs on soybean oil! So why isn't this remarkable breakthrough making front page headlines in all major media? For the same reason that many other major energy breakthroughs have been reported but never given the headlines they deserve. Those who are reaping huge profits from oil sales have much more political and media influence than you might imagine."

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3 Mar 2006 @ 21:30 by vibrani : Here's another fuel
Scientists in energy-poor Japan said Friday they have found a new source of gasoline — cattle dung.

Sakae Shibusawa, an agriculture engineering professor at the Tokyo University of Agriculture and Technology, said his team has successfully extracted 1.4 milliliters (0.042 ounces) of gasoline from every 100 grams (3.5 ounces) of cow dung by applying high pressure and heat.

"The new technology will be a boon for livestock breeders" to reduce the burden of disposing of large amounts of waste, Shibusawa said.

About 500,000 metric tons (551,155 U.S. tons) of cattle dung are produced each year in Japan, he said.

Gasoline extracted from cow dung is unheard of, said Tomiaki Tamura, an official of the Natural Resources and Energy Agency. Japan relies almost totally on imports for its oil and gasoline needs.  

3 Mar 2006 @ 22:00 by bushman : Ya
I have an artical on this log of a device that can extract oil from most anything. :}  

3 Mar 2006 @ 22:02 by jmarc : Hi
I can appreciate the need for speed, the need to harness the power of these young skulls full of mush in a more productive manner, and of course the need to get off the oil tit, but let me play the devil's advocate for a minute and ask a couple questions.
1. Sustainability. Granted oil may not be sustainable in the long run, but assuming tomorrow we all wake up to find these engines in our cars and trucks, is it even possible to grow that many soybeans to sustain the fuel needs of our society, and what would be the environmental impact of the fertilizer required to grow so much soybeans? I guess after we wring all of the oil out of them we can fead the silage to cows and make more fuel from the dung as vibrani's article suggests is possible?
2. Clean Air. How does this fuel measure up as far as the impecable clean air standards are concerned that are put forward by such protocols as kyoto?

Either way, I do salute these young minds and the teachers that have helped them achieve it. This may the greatest good to come out of this, that a gang member and other delinquents can be turned to create something useful for society and themselves.  

3 Mar 2006 @ 22:07 by vibrani : Yes jmarc
those are the right questions. The only thing that was going through my head was how we'd have to be rolling in shit to produce that much. I still think solar or magnetic energy is one of the best ways to go. A cell that recharges itself from the sun, doesn't depend on plugging into electricity. However, in certain rural regions where it might be more cost efficient to use cow dung, why not have that option?  

3 Mar 2006 @ 23:40 by bushman : Of course.
Well, for the most part we can get oil from just about anything now, granted the CO2 output, wouldnt change much, as well it's possable to use alcohal fuels that burn cleaner and the use of methanol to encasulate water, that will mix and stay emulsifyed or suspended within the fuel, alcohal fuels burn cleaner than gasoline, so there would be less CO2 output. Propane and natural gas comes from the refinment of crude oil. You get methane or natural gas ready to go from the ground. These fuels only put out 3% carbon monoxide, compaired with fuel we have at the pumps that put out about 86%. We already grow more soy worldwide, than the world uses. Add corn alcohal, and cow poop, we got plenty of fuel, so the next step would to make it burn clean. My view is a gradual shift to the high tech end of power production, because we have the manufacturing of engines that will run clean burning fuels already in place. It's all about not causeing a collaps in our economy that keeps this stuff from the market, we cant just recycle the production lines, and convert them to build the anti grav stuff, solar electric is well on its way. My point is, we cant just change overnight, and our socity needs the horsepower ratings to be efficiant, that means higher horsepower ratings that are used in an efficiant way, so as I could run my truck on strait hydrogen, made by solar power. To get the power needed from hydrogen fuel, you need an engine that produces 2 times the horsepower you need. Like my truck only needs 200 horses, but Im running almost 400, and then leaning the fuel out and running it a little hotter. They do sell EP8 alcohal fuel in a few states now, but if you want to run it, you have to get componets that can handel the alcohal fuels, as well most new cars will run the EP8, if you got a yellow gas cap, you can run EP8. Anyway, your not going to get the nessisary power from solar electric, at least not yet, its fine for small light cars, and even running your home, but for trucking, shipping, trains, bulldozers, rockets. You need mega horses. The infastructure is not set up, and will probably take another 50 years to get the potential to replace the internal combustion engine. And like I have mentioned before, there is more power available if we used heated high presure CO2 to run a pnumatic motor, pull it out of the air with solar power, and liquify it and store it just like we do with the propane, then you got millions of tons of CO2 in storage and your not adding extra to the air we breath. Pnumatic motors have extreem amounts of torque that can be converted to RPM's, more than enough power to do heavy work. We are in transition right now, experimenting in basements, this is how it all starts. Seems so many people want to get off oil cold turkey, but logic dictates, it aint going to happen like that, it's going to be slow going. But it is going. Fuels are burning alot cleaner than they did 20 years ago. Most all of us could be makeing hydrogen from water or even duterium sulphat right at your own home, right now today, you can buy a small unit, and power your home from hydrogen. The new gell batteries are safe for the enviorment and last 20 years and dont give off toxic fumes like a car battery does. Anyway CO2 is easy to get from the air, it stores easy when liquid, and can be vaporized into a high presure gas easy. This is the way to go, use the byproduct from years of burning fossil fuels.

PS: You know Hemp and soy, are weeds, they dont need fertilizer to make starch. Maybe soy needs a little fertilizer to bring up the protien content. But it wouldnt be nessisary if your going to turn it into fuel. :}  

4 Mar 2006 @ 00:27 by jmarc : very good

13 May 2006 @ 22:21 by Noel Buckley @ : unit for makeing hydrogen
please tell me where I can get a unit for makeing hydrogen
also how best to make it

13 May 2006 @ 23:34 by bushman : Noel:
Gosh, theres quite a few companies worldwide that make hydrogen generators for in home use. Some use hydrocarbons like natural gas to make the hydrogen, and some make it direct from tapwater, these can also be solar powered or run from the grid. Just exacly what kind of unit do you want? I would sugest a long hard Google search. If your going to try and build something yourself from scratch, I sugest you learn how to build it safely. You might try here: {} They got lots of stuff, you could get something small, and just make it bigger. :}  

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