|New Civilization News: At Play in the (fractal) Fields of NCN|
10 comments29 Jul 2002 @ 02:32 by jazzolog : Reading Comprehension
Nice entry, Quidnovi. Thank you for it.
Let us read and write carefully and with respect. Implication is a filmy, foggy entity. Sometimes, in person, a considerate acquaintance might ask, "Did you mean to imply such-and-such in your remark?" If I remain calm and look within, sometimes I truly can't tell if I did or not, and I need to take time to think about it. I know myself as well as I can, and am learning all the time. Maybe there is an area I don't know about---and I imply something without realizing it. Would that still be implication if I don't know about it? Mostly, when I imply, I know I'm doing it---I think. But in these shadowy areas of implication, where we still may be learning about ourselves, great sensitivity and delicacy might be applied.
In my experience on the Internet, I've noticed people find implication often. And many go running off with it---and construct theories and attacks and great horrors that they see in the other person. Right off the top of my head, I might assert that replying to implication creates more trouble than any other form of attempted communication in this medium. I think it might be good manners and wise strategy to approach a person one thinks is implying something about one and just respectfully ask. It could be a careful and quiet exercise in self-control and maturity for both people.
29 Jul 2002 @ 04:00 by shawa : Sacred Hodge-Podge
... Thanks for this entry, Quidnovi - for me it is perhaps one the most accurate entries as to the fractal reality of NCN; truly, let´s not flinch from it. One person´s hodge-podge/chaotic marmelade is another person´s SACRED Hodge-Podge! ... This is a damn good idea : to announce right in front of everything, hey! look! "You have to find your own Path, - Just Try the Different Doors, and See How you Feel!
(Tee hee)"... The picture is perfect for the front page! .../
For the Jazzman : I´m glad to hear you.
29 Jul 2002 @ 17:41 by shawa : Gosh, gosh, gosh!
Would have thought that more people would jump into THIS pool! It´s soooo interesting. :-)
30 Jul 2002 @ 16:23 by quidnovi : The sound of silence---music to my ears!
I find it interesting too, Shakti...and not unexpected considering how little interest the subject matter generated when I first brought it up on jazzoLOG's (Richard little) and Fractal Funch's (Communicationism) journals. Very few people seem to have found it of any interest at all. Most just overlooked or disregarded the matter completely, while other "studiously" ignored it. As I pointed it out in this post, I feel that NCN works a little bit like an echo chamber (it's one of its many interests---to me) and in an echo chamber emptiness is just as revealing as noise when scanning for patterns. Silence can sometimes be more eloquent than sound and, in music, the pauses are just as important as the notes. I like the music I have been hearing at NCN but the nature and the quality of that music (including the silence) confirm to me that some instruments have been left out from the band (a little bit something like too many drums and no strings or not enough brass---or something like that.) It doesnt make for a bad performance but it does make it somewhat limitative. Though there are those who would argue that endless pieces of music can be written (and actually have been written) for but just a few instruments, one can arguably regret however that NCN doesnt play with a bigger orchestra.
I think most of the players in the band are aware of that situation and most players like it that way. Something having to do with the feeling of cozy belonging that comes when playing in a small club and all the players are friends with each other. And all of that is just fine with me. (I like ALL music, and---Richards just going to love that one---some jazz performances that are played in nightclubs can sometimes be more stirring than anything one will hear from any symphonic orchestra.) But a question had been asked. I just had to know. Now I do!
In any case, the point of this post was to pull together all the lose threads that came up during the discussion and bring that topic nicely to a close. Lets move on to something else. And, oh, by the way, I DO love drums!!! Just simply dont mind me when sometimes I do bring my fiddle along ;-)
31 Jul 2002 @ 03:03 by jazzolog : I Hear Music And There's No One There
That's the lyric to a song that particularly jazz players have liked these last 40 years or so. I commend your positive outlook on the lack of reply to a topic about NCN. The song ends "You're not crazy, you're just in love." Here's hoping the site brings such bliss.
PS What kinds of music do you play on that fiddle?
>> Why, Richard, it would all depend on my mood, I suppose.
>> Anything with a high degree of rubato, assuredly ;-) FD
31 Jul 2002 @ 03:36 by scottj : Many years ago me and a few friends
made a whole lot of noise together ........ great fun but to call it music would be stretching the point. Occasionally, very occasionally, the infernal racket somehow came together and it was actually possible to hear something. Most often the shock was enough to knock us off our collective perch but on a few occasions we held on to the vibe and really we could do anything we wanted.
I would rate these very near the top of my life's moments.
Is this what we are hoping for at NCN? Perhaps when you state the theme people are reluctant to pick up their instruments and blow because it is kind of a difficult number to get?
I played bass btw and the music was a kind of punk-rocked up Motown / 70's soul and funk with strong latin and jazz influences. Ike and Tina Turner at 100mph (Nutbush and River Deep being favs) isn't far off the mark.
1 Aug 2002 @ 11:15 by quidnovi : All that jazz...
"... I smell blossoms, but the trees are bare; all day long I seem to dance on air, I wonder why, I wonder why."
(Second voice) "You don't need analyzin', it is not so surprisin', because I've been there once or twice. .........You're not sick. You're just in love......"
5 Aug 2002 @ 16:09 by magical_melody : I like the doors concept!
I know that Flemming has addressed this issue and yet a front page reference as you suggest Francis sounds wise and more inviting. I love the term: for those who don't know what they are talking about. It made me laugh out loud. Thanks for your wisdom humor and your Presence in NCN, as I am all for opening the doors to more lovely people, and I don't want people branding me "New Age." Theres a lot of wierdos connected with that term. I am simply "Me" and I do dance to my own music and share dances with the many drummers and music makers along the way. I make magic with my brothers and sisters in all the various tribes!
5 Aug 2002 @ 23:05 by shawa : You´re New Age, all right, Cho!
At least in my book. Interesting discussion, here. Mostly, I agree with you, Cho. I think the New Age movement hasn´t affirmed itself in the best possible way, and being labelled New Age is like someone telling you that you are walking on clouds. It´s not all there is, but it´s a lot of it. I remember a time, though, when the words New Age were clean, and crisp, and promising. Was that right after May 68 ? When I walked around in an Afghan dress; wore heavy Tibetan jewellery and bright red boots? Tee hee - long gone.
17 Aug 2002 @ 17:31 by ming : Meta-Paradigmaticism
Quidnovi, great post, as usual! I think, indeed, it is extremely important to maintain and strengthen the meta-paradigmatic nature of NCN. It needs to somehow be very clear that there's no one accepted paradigm here, other than the paradigm that it is great that there are many paradigms and that one can roll one's own. But at the same time it needs to be ok to just sort of "move in" behind the door that contains one's paradigm of choice. I like that concept very much, and I'm looking for ways we can implement that better.
There's a distinction, I think, between the people who resonate with strengthening and maintaining the meta-paradigmatic freeflow space of NCN, and those who mainly are looking for some people who share a particular approach, a particular aim, a particular paradigm. One is not better than the other, but they collide sometimes, when the people who seek a particular group get frustrated when they realize that NCN as a whole isn't it, and never will be.
For NCN to survive there needs to be at least a small but firm group that resonates with and furthers the principles of that open fractal space. If there is, then it can work perfectly fine even if most NCN members are "users" who go straight for the people who are _____ in order to get what they came for. E.g. the New Age people find each other, the Alternative Economy people find each other, the Business Entrepreneurs find each other, etc.
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