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21 comments27 Nov 2004 @ 14:07 by spiritseek : Interesting
I found the main site here
Where did you get the information about the emerging people from the caves? I do believe this will happen and I'm interested in reading more.
27 Nov 2004 @ 19:33 by koravya : People of the Dawn
Some north american native mythologies have the first people emerging from a deep cave to begin the population of the earth. Kivas of the Southwest are a reflection of the original cave from which the first men and women emerged.
I was motivated some twenty-odd years ago to draw a series of pictures and write some things down and I gave those pictures and words a title.
It's a projection of my own visionary mythology. It is in the form of some information that is passed from those of the time of night beginning through the darkness to the hands of those who see the first blush of tomorrow's Dawn.
This mythological construct has become rather embedded in my thought patterns, and references to the essential elements and characteristics emerge in various little bits such as the above. It all makes sense in my little world, and I like to share it with others, and if they see somnething in it, then perhaps we may share our mythological stories. You can get a sense of my basic framework at [link]
For all that all of us are imagining about how we think things might be in tomorrow's world, it just might turn out to be something other that what any of us are dreaming up.
Here's a page about creation myths.
Creator and Creature: Creation Myths by Category
Though creation myths exist by the thousands, mythologists have identified a handful of patterns. Primarily, creation myths deal with the act of separation. In the beginning, most often, a state of wholeness or peace exists, a wholeness that is disrupted by some deliberate or unintentional violation by someone, usually a subordinate, but sometimes the god himself. In other myths, the world emerges from a state of chaos into a state of order, but even these myths imply separation, as chaos is divided into separate and increasingly smaller states.
In Jungian psychology, creation myths symbolize the dawning of self-awareness in the individual. They parallel that state in childhood when we become aware of ourselves and our separation from others; in other words, the sense we develop that we are separate from others, and then the growing awareness that we are divided within ourselves, parallel creation myths in their depiction of a world (similar to the self's consciousness) that divides in two and then divides even further into smaller units.
World Parents: In this type of creation myth, a father/sky and mother/earth deity are involved in the world's creation, often their separation being the basis for creation. In many myths, the two parents go about the face of the earth creating and naming natural and animal life forms. This myth is found in Native American, Polynesian, and Asian cultures.
Emergence Myths: In emergence myths, the earth already exists, and life forms come from either a land above or below and into the finished earth. Men may exist in a cave below the earth's surface where they receive instruction in how to live on the surface. They then begin climbing toward the surface, sometimes scaling a rope or a vine, other times breaking through a hole in the ceiling and emerging into another cave or sealed area. In one Navajo myth, men climb through four worlds before emerging into the fifth and final one. These myths are also found in Central America and Asia.
The Two Creators: In this myth two creators produce the world out of a contest or challenge, one attempting to best the other. Often the two have a close but antithetical relationship, such as a brother/sister, father/son, or uncle/nephew. The intent is to establish a superior/subordinate relationship wherein one emerges as the victor over the other. The two creators may debate to establish who is wiser, or more fit to create a world. Sometimes a clearly good god wins out over an evil one. Such myths are found in Norse mythology, Native American, African, and Mediterranean.
God as Craftsman: Some myths depict god as a craftsman, a creator who uses his skills to make a world out of nothingness. This creator makes the earth and its inhabitants out of the elements of the earth, the most recurrent motif being that of man created out of clay, life then breathed into his nostrils. In Egypt it is believed that god was a potter who created the world from his potter's wheel. This myth type shows up in Europe, Africa and Asia.
Earth-Diver as Creator: The earth-diver is an archetypal figure who creates the earth out of substance brought up from the water. This is a particularly recurrent image in flood myths wherein a bird is sent out over the waters and returns with a twig, rock or bit of mud, which indicates the finding of earth. In Native American mythology, the earth-diver is just as often an animal as a man who dives below the water to bring up the materials necessary to begin construction of the earth. This type of myth is found all over the world from America through Europe and Asia.
Creation out of the Body: The body of a god can provide the building blocks for the world. The most famous example of this type of myth is that of the god Ymir from Norse mythology. Ymir's skull is made into the sky, his bones become stones, his hair is made into vegetation, the blood becomes water, his brain forms the clouds, etc. The Australian Aborigines believe the bow and arrow were made from the bodies of male and female gods embracing each other. This is an exceedingly prevalent myth, found in all parts of the world.
Germs and Eggs: Many societies believe the world was created from a whole object like an egg, a self-contained item that is brooded upon by a god or force and then opened to reveal a fully created world. The egg is often associated with more advanced or mystical societies, particularly the medieval alchermists who saw the egg as a symbol of perfection. This myth shows up all around the early Mediterranean and Asian worlds.
Abortive Creation Attempts: A number of cultures feature gods who fail in their attempts to produce a race of man, first engendering giants, dwarves, monsters or other failed creations. Greek mythology abounds with such constructions. In Norse mythology, dwarves were formed from the maggots in Ymir's body. In Genesis, giants are formed when the sons of God mate with women on earth. A common motif in this type of myth is the story of the god who destroys his creation before starting over; this is the recurrent explanation in flood myths
28 Nov 2004 @ 03:04 by spiritseek : My visions lately
fall into these lines. Nuclear bombing comes to the US,people burned or dead,others flee to underground tunnels. Spiritual leaders and healers convince some of the people to keep hope.One day emerging to find the earth growing vegetation once again and creating a new world.
28 Nov 2004 @ 05:32 by vaxen : Spiritual leaders?
There are none! Follow your heart...if you have one. Read ther book of Hopi if you don't (have a heart). The 'legend' is there.
28 Nov 2004 @ 15:12 by spiritseek : Vax
what I mean by spiritual leaders is people who still have hope and help others to have it too. I know the word leader bugs you but look outside that box for a moment. I have the Hopi Survival Guide book and read it. We are creating new possibilities all the time so it doesn't have to go down the way it was written long ago.
28 Nov 2004 @ 18:00 by koravya : Spiritual Leaders$?
Been quite a number of years since I read Book of the Hopi,
but I do remember its strength.
A page with a selection of quotes from Book of the Hopi.
Including this thought:
In closing, Waters shows appreciation for..."the courageous and cooperative effort of our thirty Hopi spokesmen in recapitulating here for the first time all their myths, legends, history, and meanings..."
I believe these fellows are along the lines of who Spiritseek is referring to as spiritual leaders. And any so-called spiritual leader who is worth his or her salt would surely recommend following ones heart as the ultimate source of truth and wisdom, with an additional recommended proviso that purification leads the heart to more fulfilling outcomes from action.
28 Nov 2004 @ 18:48 by astrid : Thanks John!
This is worth a glance -or two ; ) Wow....so not much more than the Heartland will remain.... Whose Map are you using here?
John was it you who afew days ago displayed an article about the Hopi Elders latest Prophecy/Statement ? I can't find that article ANYWHERE!!!
Somebody help me!!!.... : )
28 Nov 2004 @ 20:35 by spiritseek : Hopi
I believe that was Bushman's article,you will have to ask him to find it as it looks like we an only access a few members articles.
29 Nov 2004 @ 02:18 by spiritseek : Crystalinks website has Hopi Info
They believed in Achivas the sacred ceremonial places to honor the earth. These are the places that Shaman would go into the earth to do their most sacred work. The reason that Achivas are built into the earth for sacred work is beacuse according to legend, at the destruction at each of the ages of mankind the people that were pure of heart went down into the buxom of the earth and there remained protected. According to them they dwelt in the center of the earth with a group of beings that they call the Ant People.
Drawings of the Ant People are remarkable similar to the Grey aliens of today - large heads - little stocky bodies - long spindly fingers - in some cases 4, 5, or 6 digits.
Some of these drawings have the indication of telepathic thought waves coming from the beings' head themselves.
The Native Americans believed that the home of the Kachinas was on top of a mountain where there were great cloud formations. Today we know that UFO's often hide in what we call Lenticular Clouds, which are cloud formations that seem to be produced to conceal the ships from the visible eye spectrum. Real lenticular clouds move with the rest of the clouds. Whereas the UFO clouds do not - often sitting 5 hours in one place.
29 Nov 2004 @ 02:25 by spiritseek : Mayan Calendar
the great lakes are mentioned, does this mean that they will be used as a central area for the populas?
29 Nov 2004 @ 03:11 by koravya : Aztec Calendar Stone
There is simply a descriptive outline of the essential features of the Twin Continents.
Our North and South America becomes Ollin, the Aztec word for Movement, earthquake.
Our Africa and Eurasia becomes Tethys, the Greek Mother of the Ocean.
There is as well the third continent of water, Oceania, including Australia and the Indonesian archipelago.
The five beads of the Necklace of Lakes can be one of many markers on the road for the wanderers who travel through places where there are no roads.
The tribes will gather wherever tribal consciuosness gathers. They are gathering this very hour. When the city runs out of gas, there's gonna be a lot of stranded cars sitting in the streets, and the demand for shoe leather may increase.
The Mississippt river valley is not, so to speak, what's left of the good old USofA. Whatever its name, this river valley occupies some of the territory previously occupied by the old world structure previously known as the united states. Check the links to the maps above to see other new possible configurations where old political configurations used to hold sway.
29 Nov 2004 @ 03:19 by koravya : International Rivers Network
International Rivers Network
IRN supports local communities working to protect their rivers and watersheds. We work to halt destructive river development projects, and to encourage equitable and sustainable methods of meeting needs for water, energy and flood management.
IRN seeks a world in which rivers and their watersheds are valued as living systems and are protected and nurtured for the benefit of the human and biological communities that depend on them. This vision can be achieved by developing worldwide understanding of the importance of rivers and their essential place in the struggle for environmental integrity, social justice, and human rights.
IRNs mission is to halt and reverse the degradation of river systems; to support local communities in protecting and restoring the wellbeing of the people, cultures and ecosystems that depend on rivers; to promote sustainable, environmentally sound alternatives to damming and channeling rivers; to foster greater understanding, awareness and respect for rivers; to support the worldwide struggle for environmental integrity, social justice and human rights; and to ensure that our work is exemplary of responsible and effective global action on environmental issues."
29 Nov 2004 @ 18:52 by spiritseek : Holographic Universe
This site talks about the holographic universe and they say the brain is too from top scientists studies and experiments. I read it and Im in awe at their findings.
29 Nov 2004 @ 18:54 by spiritseek : your website
the drawings there have the great lakes as part of the Mayan calendar. [link]
29 Nov 2004 @ 21:22 by koravya : Hopi Advice
This entry is from Ming the Mechanic: Nov 4, 2004
Via George Por, some Hopi wisdom that might be fitting at this moment:
"You have been telling the people that this is the Eleventh Hour.
Now you must go back and tell the people that this is the Hour.
And there are things to be considered:
Where are you living?
What are you doing?
What are your relationships?
Are you in right relation?
Where is your water?
Know your garden.
It is time to speak your Truth.
Create your community.
Be good to each other.
And do not look outside yourself for the leader.
This could be a good time!
There is a river flowing now very fast.
It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid.
They will try to hold on to the shore.
They will feel they are being torn apart, and they will suffer greatly.
Know the river has its destination.
The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of
the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water.
See who is in there with you and celebrate.
At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally.
Least of all, ourselves.
For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a
halt. The time of the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves!
Banish the word struggle from your attitude and your vocabulary.
All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.
We are the ones we've been waiting for."
--The Elders, Oraibi, Arizona Hopi Nation"
29 Nov 2004 @ 21:36 by koravya : Process of Discovery
Very nice article about the holographic paradigm.
Why are the Great Lakes in the center of that picture?
Well, as an artist, I can say I felt like putting them there,
and that should cover it, unless I want to get into second level, third level, and fourth level and so on kinds of whys.
I was in the process of artistically dissecting the Aztec calendar stone,
and I was looking for things to thematically associate.
The Great Lakes as predominant body of water on North America, kind of an inland sea, corresponds with the Mediterranean sea between those areas we refer to as southern Europe and northern Africa.
In one sense, I am suggesting a sphere of influence for the Aztec calendar extending throughout north Ollin, and in another sense, I am extending the sphere of influence to the entire globe, through, in this instance, the portals of the great seaways and waterways of the ancient mariners.
29 Nov 2004 @ 23:30 by astrid : Thank You, John!.....
this Ming's article from Nov 4th is exactly the article I've been looking for... I even had Marie SpiritSeek on it!.... :-) ( She came up with some great "stuff" for me though! ) This Map you have here, John, can I find that on any of the links you gave? Haven't a chance to go through them yet. I copied the whole link-list to my MS-Word, so I can access them any time I have time!
Thank you, both of you!
30 Nov 2004 @ 00:19 by spiritseek : thanks for the info Koravya
There seems to me to be a correlation between the Mayan and Hopi prophecies,do you also see it?
30 Nov 2004 @ 06:30 by koravya : Notes on prophecies
Here are excerpts from a contemporary story.
(together with a link to the entire story)
Hopi speak in terms of family as we might use the word community. Family is what we saw on the First Mesa. Extended family of her adopted daughter were greeting Sakina at every turn. Craftsmanship abounded in very detailed Tsachinas and hand formed pottery, all carefully decorated with symbols of specific meaning.
. . . . +
He went into the other room of his house and brought out a worn-looking paper bag. From it he pulled a carefully drawn color copy of a Mayan prophecy, and an African prophecy as well. He explained many of the symbols, and that their arrangement indicated a timeline. He told us how some of the earlier symbols related to the events of the past. At the end of the Mayan prophecy drawing were two birds: the yellow one at the very end was the larger bird of purification the dark, smaller bird just preceding it was the symbol of the bird that sings at night.
He then said, "Like this bird that speaks at night, we, the Hopi people, are to speak what we know now. The pure of heart, the children, those with a connection to God, may be told directly by God what to do in this time (of great calamities). Parents, do not make your child do what you think in this situation. Let your children decide what they need to do, for God may tell them, since they are without sin. Many now are seeking a connection to God. For some it is too late. Examine if you once had a connection with God. Maybe you could hear something. Pray for your families.
Here are some additional links to pages about Mayan, Hopi, and other prophecies.
The Living Pophecy (excerpts)
,"If Humanity Wishes To Save Itself From Biospheric Destruction It Must Return To Living in Natural Time,"
As avid stargazers, the ancient Maya were keen to an astrological cycle we call the Precession of the Equinoxes. This is close to a 26,000 year cycle in which Earth transits through each of the 12 signs of the zodiac for about 2152 years each. Each of these astrological ages represents one month of the grand, Cosmic Year. Sumerians, Tibetans, Egyptians, Cherokees, Hopi, and Mayans refer to this same 26,000 year cycle in their mystical belief systems and each have developed calendars based on this great cycle.
Our present great cycle (3113 B.C. - 2012 A.D.) is called the Age of the Fifth Sun. This time period is ruled by 4 Earth. This fifth age is the synthesis of the previous four. 4 Earth (called Caban in the Maya language and Ollin in Aztec) has several meanings, including: movement, shift, evolution, earthquake, navigation, synchronicity, clue tracking, turtle. In the Maya language, the word "ol" of ollin means consciousness.
there are varying cosmologies as to whether we are closing the Fifth World and entering the Sixth, or closing the Fourth World and entering the Fifth. For example, In the perspective of the living Maya Timekeepers of Guatemala, calendrically speaking, each element has a 5,125 year cycle. They teach that we have been through fire, earth, air and water already. The next cycle (beginning Dec 21, 2012) will be ether - the Fifth Age - the Age of Center. Likewise, the Hopi teach we are closing the Fourth World of Destruction, and preparing to begin the Fifth World of Peace. Regardless of the title given, what is clear is that we are on poised on the brink of a World Age Rebirth!)
Earth and her inhabitants are currently travelling through the 13th baktun cycle - the final period of 1618-2012 AD. This cycle is known both as "the triumph of materialism" and "the transformation of matter." The Maya predicted this final baktun would be a time of great forgetting in which we drift very far from our sense of Oneness with Nature and experience a kind of collective amnesia. Like a memory virus in which we begin to believe the limited reality of appearances and grow dense to the spiritual essence which fuels this world, so humanity's sense of ego and domination has grown.
Scholar and author John Major Jenkins reports,"On 22.214.171.124.0, the December solstice sun will be found in the band of the Milky Way. We can call this an alignment between the galactic plane and the solstice meridian. This is an event that has slowly converged over a period of thousands of years, and is caused by the precession of the equinoxes. The place where the December solstice sun crosses the Milky Way is precisely the location of the "dark-rift in the Milky Way...'xibalba be' - the road to the underworld."
The time has never been so ripe to realize eachother as "one planetary organism in contact with itself anywhere on the planet." The Emergence of our Empowered Potential, Our Divinity, is presenting itself to be claimed. How to experience this reality consciously? Where-ever one looks, the universal answer points to one's own body, one's own mental attitude, the energy of one's own heart, one's own living breath as the beginning place of orientation to feel one's unique connection to and expression of the functioning of Totality.
Valum Votan, "Closer of The Cycle" - final messenger of Pacal Votan's prophecy, prescribes the fulfillment of human destiny as a collective return to natural time via the synchronization of the 13-moon 28-day calendar. Using this harmonic, ancient, and accurate standard of measure, we make a whole-systems transition into conscious resonance with our living universe.
Thomas Banyacya, Hopi Elder (Excerpt)
Hopi elder Thomas Banyacya has written, "Our true white brother, when he comes, will be all powerful and he will wear a red cap and cloak. He will be large in population and belong to no other religion than his very own. He will bring with him the sacred stone tablets. Great will be his coming. None will be able to stand against him." Although it is unclear whether Pahana will hold the stone tablets in a literal or a symbolic sense, this passage indicates that he is not a single person, but large in population. Because Tibetan rinpoches and lamas wear red, and because Tibetan Buddhism has rituals similar to Hopi ones, especially the making of sand paintings as a healing and a tool for meditation, many wonder whether Pahana could be represented, in part, by the arrival of the Tibetan spiritual community. And traditional Hopi, in recent years, have initiated meetings with Tibetan holy men to explore this possibility.
30 Nov 2004 @ 12:55 by spiritseek : another version?
EARTH,AIR,FIRE,WATER AND SPIRIT.
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