|New Civilization News: What do people want?|
13 comments4 Jun 2002 @ 04:29 by maxtobin : Chuckle chuckle!!
Timing! I don't have a url for you but do have a 2meg ppt that shows a range of software evolved for the mobile pager network and now delivering to all major hand pc type OS, also content management and publishing (inter,intra,web) tools all based round W3C standards (Microsux or open source). Can send you this info if you are interested, (never know till you know eh!)
4 Jun 2002 @ 05:00 by istvan : Series of comments
This is too much to make just one comment on, so i do it this way:
Comment one(C1): "I have for a long time believed that we need better ways of linking up what people need and want with what is offered by other people. I mean, other ways than just buying and selling stuff. My hunch is that if we reallyBeing specific about what services we offer doesn't seem to be a whole lot easier than saying what we need.
look at what resources are available, globally or locally, and we effectively match up what is there with what is needed, our whole planet can operate at a high rate of success and prosperity. And my preference for implementing that would be some kind of grassroots free market mechanism, not any central bureaucracy, whether it is corpocratic or communistic."
ZD; Perhaps it would help to require more specific statements from all of us as to what our dreams, actual projects natural talents and expertise are and whwt we need compensation for and what we can share freely without effort. Like what my "cup" is like and what the owerflow of my cup is that u can use.
C2: "But there are various obstacles. One, I think, is to how to pursuade people to be clear on what they want and what they offer, to such a degree that it is possible to actually match these things up."
ZD:I don't think people can be persuaded what people want without becoming "Bush", rather rather ways shouldbe suggested toward self knowledge. Like your conseling practice and list of tried and working methods.Most people i think are quite mixed up (me incl.) about what they want. It might be easier to indicate to what they need.and point to ways and resources to fill those needs.
C3: "So, one potential problem is not knowing what people need and want. "
ZD: Clarity could be encouraged and practiced, as a counselor you are more familiar with this than i am. Dreams, desires natural talents and needs should be approached with right discrimination.
C4: "Lots of the things that might enable our various projects to progress are small and mundane things. Or they're big things that might still easily get resolved with the right connection. Like, you want to make a non-profit corporation, but legal stuff turns you off, and you don't know how, so it doesn't happen. But the right person might either talk you through it, or might easily and happily do it for you."
ZD: That is why more emphasis on resources have to be made and organised into subjets/projects so it would be easier to find help. Tecnical,health,psychological,spiritual financiat help could be made available clearly organised by subject and cost. There is nothing mundane that is conceived as a detail of a bigger picture that we are the ones can provide.
C5:" Being specific about what services we offer doesn't seem to be a whole lot easier than saying what we need."
ZD: Somehow i feel this is not quite true. A list of services/resources should not be too hard to list divided into categories from free to commercial or exchange.
C6; "What I'm a bit uncertain about is whether it is meaningful to try to persuade everybody to be very specific about what they are available for, what they need and what they offer. I mean, whether it is a very central key that will allow everybody to interact more effectively, or whether it is merely one of many tools that might be a good idea."
ZD; Ming don't take this as a criticism, but i think this should be the number one purpose of any network.
4 Jun 2002 @ 08:11 by magical_melody : Yes, to Saying What We Desire!!
All of what you have written about above has really been on my mind, and I have been working to get more clear about communicating my needs both to the Universe as well as to individuals and groups around me, and taking more concise action in that regard. I really appreciate your examples, as they make me ask questions too like: Do I need an agent or PR person, someone to link me with more opportunities to do public speaking engagements, and connect more with clients across the world. I have done lots of writing - mostly for free, and I want to put all my talents to good use and thrive economically. I have been wondering what are the next steps for my music and want to join a group as vocalist, and yet it is not happening. My greatest loves being music, writing, speaking, dancing, and of course doing the Oracular work. I just recently got paid for dancing in a video and in live performance, and that was a huge surprise. All I had to do was show up authentically, dance on the spot in this free workshop, and the opportunity came there that day.
I am listening within, to hear what my next steps are, and yet I do know that part of my motivation initially for joining NCN, was to pool resources so that I and others can live a more thriving life, and co-create more conscious, and more humane ways of going about that. So, yes...I hear you and would like to give support to our voicing these desires more fully somehow and how we can assist in their coming to be fulfilled for all of us.
Thanks Flemming. Love, Alana
4 Jun 2002 @ 09:54 by scottj : to give and to receive to network or
Here is a model I worked out which would facilitate exchange of things and serve the higher purpose of reducing how much needs to produced and thereby people's need for money (income). [link]
My strong reaction to any exchange system is to ask the people who are expressing their needs to look critically at them. We really need to address ways in which we can reduce our consumption and we really need to evangelise a new economic goal which says that it is cool to consume less and the highest status should go to those with the smallest material needs.
That's a starting point but we also need to be more open and critical of how we make our money, to be prepared to declare how much we earn and from what source. I would have great difficulty entering into any form of networking and sharing outside of the conventional economic system with anyone who is not prepared to be open on these issues.
Being specific I can say I don't really need anything I don't have at this precise moment. Most of the things I want involve fundamental changes in the economic system I live in. I want to pay less taxes, not because I am mean but because I don't want to pay for government expenditure on things i am totally against ie. State health, State education, War, State infrastructure and so on. Here in Norway the average tax rate is around 80 - 90% of expenditure (=income) I don't want to have to trade in the money based market place up to 10x more than is necessary to provide the necessities of life.
One way round this is to go over to barter type system and I would say this is the biggest reason for doing work in this area. I am not really interested in anything *cool* or impressive in a technical sense, all I would like is something that works.
I will keep repeating this until I get some sort of recognition of its importance !!LIVE SIMPLY SO THAT OTHERS MAY SIMPLY LIVE!! It really is the only thing that is important if we are to contribute to the creation of the pre-conditions for civilisation. Other than that non-violence and respect for all other living beings are all we need.
Levels of sophistication beyond this are part of the problem.
4 Jun 2002 @ 13:23 by ming : Brand You
One of the books lying next to my bed is "The Brand You 50 : Or : Fifty Ways to Transform Yourself from an 'Employee' into a Brand That Shouts Distinction, Commitment, and Passion!" by Peter Drucker.
The idea is that society has changed so that none of us can depend on just getting a job and being automatically employed the rest of our life. We need to continuously market ourselves. Which involves getting clear on what we really are about that is different and attractive and valuable, and we need to become good at showing that to others, as if it were a brand. And whether that's talking about money business or about what else we do, it translates to me as being about being clear on what we're about, and being able to package it in such a way that others find it useful and attractive as well.
4 Jun 2002 @ 13:44 by ming : Resource Directory Software
I'm very aware that it would be good with some kind of software for listing needs/wants and listing one's services. That has been high on my list for a long time. But I also notice from other people's attempts, and from my own previous half-attempts, that the hard part is in gettings things seeded and then balanced well enough so it is really workable for people. Most people will not bother to really partipate unless the system is already mostly working, and big and active enough, and it is easier than the alternatives. So the trick is to somehow hit the ground running.
I mean, there of course needs to be critical mass enough so that most people are likely to find what they need a lot of the time. eBay is working. Google is working. The yellow page phone book from the phoen company is working. But many nice and well-intended online listings of people and their services aren't working for me, because the list either isn't big enough, or it is too hard to find people, or because it is out of date.
4 Jun 2002 @ 22:44 by bushman : Hmm
How do children do it? And if a child could find what he wants at the time, he has to see it to want it in the first place right?
Well what ever you guys come up with it has to be easy for a child to use. Since he would not have money to trade or would it matter if he traded a marble for a skateboard? Still boils down to time a person has. Like I spend 50 hours a week or more on this thing, lol, yet I work 20 hours a week to have food and cigs , fuel. I'm a gardener with 50 hours to burn, yet how could I trade my time on here for food and stuff? Maybe transporters and replicators would solve this problem.
6 Jun 2002 @ 07:17 by cho : Lots here ...
I pulled a huge cheat for a poli-sci class entitled "Design of Regime": I took the classic work on the Yanomamo's tribla structure and presented that, but disguised it using the language of systems theory ... self-orgainization here, dynamic stablity there ... I even worked in "digesting entropy" (my favorite concept). Not only did I get a good mark, but I also clarified my thinking!
It occurs to me that relatively small groups that have come together as a result of some social or biological process ("quasi-random") would probably include something like "one of each". or at least one of each, so that most skill sets, inclinations, and pre-dispositions would be represented, with any one not likely to have a huge majority. Given the real needs that emerge situationally, the individuals would respond to that ... there would be a feed-back / feed-forward process. At some point something like ideology would come into play, of course, but regardless, any one person's list of salient needs and offerings would be conditioned by the state of the whole group.
This is rather relevant to me personally, just now ... I would be in a hermit's cabin if it weren't for my inquiry into how engagement in social projects affects consciousness (specifically, the interplay of autonomy, integrity, and authenticity). Having seen a huge project evolve over a period of just over two years, and how that project was taken over by a group of conventional elitists as soon as it became viable and significant (with few lucid complaints by the original members), I found myself waking today from a sleep filled with dreams of fulfillment and resolution: a hamburger is a hamburger is a hamburger ... unless it's infused with the quality that only inspiration and engagement produce.
With all the technical skills I've practiced over the years, I find myself in the market place with empty hands, and no needs; so long as I don't yearn for some splendid isolation, I need only wait for the pleasure of the next breath. Suicide rates are rising, as are sea-levels, temperatures, unemployment rates, inflation, and prime rates ... what is there to do but develope profound relaxation and a tender heart?
Of course, implementing a zope-enabled communication strategy to distribute optimized web services for non-profit organizations and community groups might be fun ...
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