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20 comments22 Nov 2004 @ 06:14 by Paul Hughes @18.104.22.168 : I sure hope so
I sure hope this all becomes a HUGE scandal that will rock the very fabric of this country, and totally discredit the corruption of the Republicans, but I'm not holding my breath. Their grip on power now is tremendous and frightening. There no longer appears to be any opposition in places that count. Even if all this sees the light of day, who exactly will bring charges and impeachments, etc? Bush has congress, the executive and judicial brances all in his pocket now. Where o where is the Deus Ex Machina when you need it most?
22 Nov 2004 @ 09:22 by lugon @22.214.171.124 : gripping the wrong handle?
Republicans (and politicians in general) may be gripping the wrong handle.
Do they own the blogosphere or the internet or the streets?
I would like to think "not".
Anyway, it's not election time now, and it never was outside the US of A.
It's talking-and-doing time, maybe.
What do you think?
22 Nov 2004 @ 12:04 by istvan : They don't own the streets?
Well I live in Florida and I have to disegree. Seweral towns here have passed laws in the 1970s that prohibits more than three persons gathering in bublic without a permit. Most of the cities have laws that the maximum unrelated persons that can live in a any housing unit is four. This was passed to eliminate communes. I live in a town that just been declared the most unfriendly platce in the country towarrd homeless and transient individuals. ETC.
Yes it may be even way past time for just talking. It is time to withdraw the only pwer people still have which is whre you put your personal support.
How and where you spend your money. Boycotting the econo/political power structure is where even the poorest still have a say so.
Trying to make a change from within the establishments miserably failed in the past years and it even more impossible now. Support alternatives is what can make changes.
The internet is yet still free, it wont be for wery long, Seek out alternatives, seek out people who are intelligently/without ego trips have and implementing alternatives that can make changes at any level.
Things are not yet hopeless, but hope without planning and actions are like bubbles in air, foolish to try to grasp them.
22 Nov 2004 @ 13:31 by lugon @126.96.36.199 : take back the streets?
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Looks like we need alternatives, operational alternatives that we can and do take right now. Mostly regarding money (LETS, Ithaca hours, etc).
I'm trying to get my LUG to use some form of community currency - but it's like trying to "sell" a cell-phone made of wood: too much of a prototype (AFAIK). I'm trying to learn from [link] and [link] but I feel real slow even though I'm "numerically inclined".
Maybe a game that can be turned into something serious as soon as people use it widely enough?
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22 Nov 2004 @ 13:48 by lugon @188.8.131.52 : cooperatives
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23 Nov 2004 @ 13:27 by taranga @184.108.40.206 : electronic voting
Has any truly independent expert check the software? and what auditing is included?
In the uk all voting is paper based and all ballot slips have to be stored for six years, they can be checked as the serial no of the ballot can be related to the electoral roll if there is an investigation. It has been reported that throughout the cold war MI5 went to the expense and trouble of recording every single citizen who voted communist! lucky for them that wasn't too many!
I heard a world service report from India back in October where the people behind the very simple and robust Indian designed polling machines warned that the American proposed system lacking any means of independent auditing.
May be the answer is for the UN to set up a multinational electoral organisation that the whole world employs, overseen by 'fair witnesses'.
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