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21 Nov 2004 @ 18:41, by Flemming Funch

The evidence of massive fraud in the U.S. election seems to be mounting from all sides. Now this one: 'Stinking Evidence' of Possible Election Fraud Found in Florida from CommonDreams. The story of some folks who try to get to look at the original signed voting records in various places in Florida.
Bev showed up bright and early the morning of Wednesday the 17th - well before the scheduled meeting - and discovered three of the elections officials in the Elections Warehouse standing over a table covered with what looked like poll tapes. When they saw Bev and her friends, Bev told me in a telephone interview less than an hour later, "They immediately shoved us out and slammed the door."

In a way, that was a blessing, because it led to the stinking evidence.

"On the porch was a garbage bag," Bev said, "and so I looked in it and, and lo and behold, there were public record tapes."

Thrown away. Discarded. Waiting to be hauled off.

"It was technically stinking, in fact," Bev added, "because what they had done was to have thrown some of their polling tapes, which are the official records of the election, into the garbage. These were the ones signed by the poll workers. These are something we had done an official public records request for."

When the elections officials inside realized that the people outside were going through the trash, they called the police and one came out to challenge Bev.

Kathleen Wynne, a www.blackboxvoting.org investigator, was there.

"We caught the whole thing on videotape," she said. "I don't think you'll ever see anything like this - Bev Harris having a tug of war with an election worker over a bag of garbage, and he held onto it and she pulled on it, and it split right open, spilling out those poll tapes. They were throwing away our democracy, and Bev wasn't going to let them do it."

As I was interviewing Bev just moments after the tussle, she had to get off the phone, because, "Two police cars just showed up."

She told me later in the day, in an on-air interview, that when the police arrived, "We all had a vigorous debate on the merits of my public records request."

The outcome of that debate was that they all went from the Elections Warehouse back to the Elections Office, to compare the original, November 2 dated and signed poll tapes with the November 15 printouts the Elections Office had submitted to the Secretary of State. A camera crew from www.votergate.tv met them there, as well.

And then things got even odder.

"We were sitting there comparing the real [signed, original] tapes with the [later printout] ones that were given us," Bev said, "and finding things missing and finding things not matching, when one of the elections employees took a bin full of things that looked like garbage - that looked like polling tapes, actually - and passed by and disappeared out the back of the building."

This provoked investigator Ellen Brodsky to walk outside and check the garbage of the Elections Office itself. Sure enough - more original, signed poll tapes, freshly trashed.

It is going to be really strange if some of this stuff doesn't end up blowing up really big. Bush might end up being sorry that he got elected, or whatever it was that he was. That same team of vote investigators there found that without exception all the cheating was in Bush's favor.


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22 Nov 2004 @ 06:14 by Paul Hughes @24.176.188.191 : I sure hope so
I sure hope this all becomes a HUGE scandal that will rock the very fabric of this country, and totally discredit the corruption of the Republicans, but I'm not holding my breath. Their grip on power now is tremendous and frightening. There no longer appears to be any opposition in places that count. Even if all this sees the light of day, who exactly will bring charges and impeachments, etc? Bush has congress, the executive and judicial brances all in his pocket now. Where o where is the Deus Ex Machina when you need it most?  


22 Nov 2004 @ 09:22 by lugon @80.58.19.44 : gripping the wrong handle?
Republicans (and politicians in general) may be gripping the wrong handle.
Do they own the blogosphere or the internet or the streets?
I would like to think "not".
Anyway, it's not election time now, and it never was outside the US of A.
It's talking-and-doing time, maybe.
What do you think?  



22 Nov 2004 @ 12:04 by istvan : They don't own the streets?
Well I live in Florida and I have to disegree. Seweral towns here have passed laws in the 1970s that prohibits more than three persons gathering in bublic without a permit. Most of the cities have laws that the maximum unrelated persons that can live in a any housing unit is four. This was passed to eliminate communes. I live in a town that just been declared the most unfriendly platce in the country towarrd homeless and transient individuals. ETC.
Yes it may be even way past time for just talking. It is time to withdraw the only pwer people still have which is whre you put your personal support.
How and where you spend your money. Boycotting the econo/political power structure is where even the poorest still have a say so.
Trying to make a change from within the establishments miserably failed in the past years and it even more impossible now. Support alternatives is what can make changes.
The internet is yet still free, it wont be for wery long, Seek out alternatives, seek out people who are intelligently/without ego trips have and implementing alternatives that can make changes at any level.
Things are not yet hopeless, but hope without planning and actions are like bubbles in air, foolish to try to grasp them.  



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I'm trying to get my LUG to use some form of community currency - but it's like trying to "sell" a cell-phone made of wood: too much of a prototype (AFAIK). I'm trying to learn from [link] and [link] but I feel real slow even though I'm "numerically inclined".

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22 Nov 2004 @ 13:48 by lugon @80.58.19.44 : cooperatives
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23 Nov 2004 @ 13:27 by taranga @217.158.116.181 : electronic voting
Has any truly independent expert check the software? and what auditing is included?

In the uk all voting is paper based and all ballot slips have to be stored for six years, they can be checked as the serial no of the ballot can be related to the electoral roll if there is an investigation. It has been reported that throughout the cold war MI5 went to the expense and trouble of recording every single citizen who voted communist! lucky for them that wasn't too many!

I heard a world service report from India back in October where the people behind the very simple and robust Indian designed polling machines warned that the American proposed system lacking any means of independent auditing.

May be the answer is for the UN to set up a multinational electoral organisation that the whole world employs, overseen by 'fair witnesses'.  



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