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24 comments19 Nov 2005 @ 07:21 by aaronb : consciousness is evolving
There is a growing and an evolving small group people that understand that global consciousness can only start to be elevated when they themselves become the change they seek in others. The observant outsiders will who are seekers,looking to elevate their quality of life, will recognize there is a narrow pathway that works for "them", asking themselves- "is this worth looking at for myself?" Major change is taking place but there is no advantage promoting a public declaration of this fact.For the many would be willing to obliterate the few rather than admit there ways are in error.FEAR is the major tool to keeping people from moving forward in their lives.Fear is feeling of a possible of a loss of something real or imagined FEAR is (F.E.A.R.)is really --False Evidence Appearing Real-- to the level that the individual is aware of this understanding will be the rate that individual will truly advance in their personal life
19 Nov 2005 @ 07:30 by judih : interesting, aaron
There was mention of providing ways to offer a door, an opening, a chance to be brave enough to try something else. There was mention of packaging this opportunity in a user-friendly form. Who would be willing to give up a current lifestyle, something comfortable, in exchange for a far simpler, planet friendly lifestyle? It would take a person of impulse, open-vision and flexibility. These qualities exist, I imagine. It's not always fear that holds people back. Sometimes it's merely inertia. People get used to life as it is.
Would a movement help people to overcome their set ways? Perhaps.
Yet, you are right. Change begins in the mind of each individual. Anything other than personal committment can fade away like a passing fashion.
19 Nov 2005 @ 12:17 by shreepal : Inertia, change...
Our personality is not a harmonious whole. There are diverse elements there each living its life according to its rules. Body has its own habits and there is obstruction to every new step that disturbs its present composure. It is inertia. Mind is there, full of unfounded anxities of the unknown and unchartered zone of changed things. There is inertia and even wilful obstruction to the new. Heart, deep within, knows the truth and propells forward. But who cares for the Heart! Body is the vehicle and Mind is the driver.
19 Nov 2005 @ 15:27 by vibrani : What it is
After a lot of thought and observation over the years, I see NCN as being primarily male-oriented, cerebral, and lacking heart energy. That goes for most of the active NCN members, whether they be male or female. There is no balance between the logical and intuitive minds, even though some think they're speaking about it. Therefore, people like myself are not fully understood, and it's hard to have a place here that feels comfortable. Balance of the mind and heart, more honesty, spirit with technology, is needed at NCN, for any "newness," or for any new civilization.
19 Nov 2005 @ 22:02 by aaronb : FEAR
19 Nov 2005 @ 23:46 by vaxen : Beer...
we need more beer. That's how the women did it first of all. Yah, all those nasty old men wanted to do was go out and hunt! They sure didn't want to till the ground, though making babies was sort of fun, they didn't want to take care of the screaming things after birth, though...
So the women, being desirous of control, discovered a most amazing thing. One day miss lollapalloza p gremming was out tending to the daily task of grinding the corn when she discovered, in one of the stone grinding bowls that she used for grinding the corn, some corn that had been left had fermented in the rain water that had filled the bowl to brimming...
Being thristy and not wanting to walk the distance to the river she thought to herself: Well this looks like water, even though it smells a little funny, so let me see if it is pottable. Yum! Ooo that was good and after awhile of drinking the delicious stuff she began to dance...
The rest is history. The men came home a few months later with plenty of deer and squirrel and wild pig. They began to cook the meat and after everyone had eaten their fill the ladies declared that they had a surprise for the men that the men would really like. Lollapalooza brought out the beer.
So were men gradually cultivated to do the cultivating, plow the fields, plant the corn. They hunted less and less and tilled the land more and more then came animal husbandry and...
Oh NCN is OK. But NCN is really limited. There is only one top and though that doesn't represent a true pyramid scheme it doesn't represent communism either. NCN is what it is but it is not representative of anything really ''New'' happening on the face of dear old Hellja. Not that we couldn't turn things around by establishing a wiki and some other things and by getting some land and kibbutzing it or moshaving it or...
Well, NCN is what it is isn't it?
"Erase the binary, and reality becomes an open mound of clay rather than prefabricated givens. Get it?"---0, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13...
20 Nov 2005 @ 00:33 by swanny : Diversity
A global mass will not work and is not working
according to those who study these things
The talk is that we are headed back from globalism
to good old nationalism because globalism or internationalism
That is because such is not sustainable
The stigmergy and autopoiesis requires "diversity" in order
to sustain..... Sustainablity and diversity go hand in hand
it is a question of multi utility....
much akin to the nature of the net... if one path doesn't work
it the process finds another.... this is the beauty of
"graceful" systems..... and that is diversity in action
yet diversity should be contained somewhat as well....
there must be a kind of natural diversity along a natural order.
This is why I have proposed the "Glorder" because it divides the
planet along the "natural lines" of sunlight it recieves or the time
zones as it were.... this thus form 24 natural families of humanity
deliniating your family is simply a matter of recognizing which time
zone you were born in.... birth life being then a function of place, time
and yes heart.....
Glorder link = http://www3.telus.net/public/ajonas/time/index.html
it needs .....
20 Nov 2005 @ 06:30 by vibrani : What the heck?
The women being desirous of control so they invented beer? Isn't that YOUR opinion, not fact? How sexist a comment, Vax, or was that just for shock value?
20 Nov 2005 @ 11:04 by shreepal : Inferiority - male versus female.
Let's not lower down ourselves by expressing opinions that are nowhere near truth. There must be an issue and common ground to talk and proceed further. We have Mind and we must use that and not our passions. All our statements (whether opinions or claimed truths)are mere judgments. Our judgments are formed out of inter-actions of many factors in which we are placed by our circumstances.
My judgment is females are more brainy than man(there was a recent research report that showed that females are more alert to social surroundings than men plus they are equally capable to do mental work that men do). Females are more developed in Heart feelings than men. What a fuss about heart? Heart allow us to make sacrifices to our disadvantage, which Mind would not sanction. It is called Love. Not the love of a girl friend only but also the love of a mother. What is the advantage of a love-thing? Only the opportunity to one to exploit the other and the occassion of that another to be exploited by the earlier? No, it is not so. We are better than animals because we are given to make sacrifices for others. Animals do make sacrifices out of natural instincts and we human make sacrifices in calculative manner. It is very mundane explanation of the thing. There are other serious reasons why females are better than men. We leave it for sometime next. By the way I think that the debate male versus female has no relevance to the subject which is being commented upon here. This debate may perhaps come up later for further exchange of ideas at some another appropriate time. That is all for now from my side on the topic. Thanks.
20 Nov 2005 @ 11:46 by swanny : Animals and Love
I was wonderin if that is what distinguishes
humans from animals is this capacity to love...
I wondered then do animals have the capacity to love
or can they be taught this capacity and I am not sure
It seems older humans somehow teach or pass on this
capacity to love to their young or try to....
some perhaps never learn it so in that sense are
simply like animals devoid of this love....
yet it distinguishes us but does not seperate us
for that is another component .... to love those
and that which does not have the capacity to love
us back.... to love without scorn or envy that which
can not even fathom love.....
that is why I took some offense at your admission that
it is the pleasure of a man/woman and not the pleasure of
a pig..... for it is the love of a man/woman and the passing
of time of a pig.... we do not scorn the pig because it has
not the capacity to love .... I suppose we "forgive" the pig...
20 Nov 2005 @ 12:00 by swanny : Superiority of Women?
As to the issue of the superiority of women
I think they perhaps have a potential towards
it as the result of being endowed or "capcitated"
with the ability to bear of offspring...
this seems to make them more something...
able to function better in certain areas
although most people male or female function
far below their potential...
This was determined in studies by Abramham
Maslow that found that only 5% of people
20 Nov 2005 @ 12:05 by swanny : Capacitation
Actually in terms of impregnation of the womans
egg by the sperm it is a little known fact that it
is not the first and fastest sperm that impregnates the
egg but the one that is chosen and capacitated most
appropriately by the womens body and chemistry that
is afforded that opportunity.
but I digress
Capacitation Link = http://www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/eduweb/virtualembryo/capacitation.html
what was the question?
20 Nov 2005 @ 17:24 by vibrani : How about
the fact that all fetuses are female at first? lol
20 Nov 2005 @ 17:33 by shreepal : Regarding "pigs".
For me the debate of male versus female is over for the time being But regarding your taking offense to the use of word "pig" I wish to reply now, though belatedly. In the context the word was used then, I wish to point out, we were not dealing with "real pig in blood and flesh" and its supposed inferiority. Simply, a pun was sought to be played to highlight a point. We were then talking of the guards of Old Civilization. I wish to express my sincere feelings that pigs are conducting themselves in a nice manner at their evolutionary stage.
20 Nov 2005 @ 21:55 by vaxen : Actually...
Vibrani it comes from Professor Phil Katz at the University of Pittsburgh. But, then, would that matter?
"Erase the binary, and reality becomes an open mound of clay rather than prefabricated givens. Get it?"---0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13...
Shree, Schmootzie, your whole sub-ject involves, devolves, and revolves around yoni and her opposite, lingham. You are shpieling on and on about...differences. Your 'con troll' is not exactly missing so maybe go just a tad deeper if you want dia-logue...
For me the planet is one already and all the rest is nothing but words, words, words...we are ''composite'' beings. 0 and 1.
For me there are NO borders. I come from the planet Ginsberg in the galaxy Shalom. Did you ever see a Thetan wearing a yarmulka?
20 Nov 2005 @ 22:28 by vibrani : Thanks
now I know of another sexist, this one who is a professor, who can't prove such a theory. (FYI, I did catch the news item this past week on how women invented beer - it was on several news sites.) If you, or anyone else is interested, I will post one of the news items in the asylum chat room.
21 Nov 2005 @ 03:47 by judih : Bring on the beer links!
I'd love to read the beer articles, N. The All religions about.com site that vaxen has offered is a lively information source.
It's all anthropology.
21 Nov 2005 @ 04:35 by vaxen : vibrani...
always putting your foot in your mouth. check out proffessor katz works before making such a statement! or better yet don't. keep your narrow minded visciousness alive...it's fun to see you squirm.
"Erase the binary, and reality becomes an open mound of clay rather than prefabricated givens. Get it?"
obviously you don't but that's alright. your sexism is very obviously fun for you and provides you with a great source of energy. whatever it takes it takes.
21 Nov 2005 @ 05:06 by vibrani : Where?
I can't find it on the link you posted - and I wanted to read it. I did a search and it came up with nothing related to this. Can you post a direct link instead of making up incorrect conclusions about me?
21 Nov 2005 @ 14:07 by Echo @18.104.22.168 : Beat
And the beat goes on.... and on... and on......
21 Nov 2005 @ 15:34 by swanny : A Global Round Table of G24
Well since we have deterioated into whatever
I propose a global round table at the UN made up of
some of the "current" elected officials of high enough standing
of each Nation appearing in each particular zone of the
24 time zones. These officials would then choose a
representative for their particular timezone with interpretors
and convene in a Global Round Table.
The purpose of this Round table to be creating a global vision, mission,
mandate and plan for the world and human governance. This G24 body then would
elect a chairman and excutive council or they would constitute
the excutive council of this G24 and delegate accordingly to elected officials of their particular time zone.
It would appear afterall that despite our wonderful technology that the world is
or has become to difficult or complex to manage and govern by just a hodgepodge
of elect or chosen few and that a global or international system does not seem
to work and a national system does not seem to work and perhaps a "timeocracy" may afford us some semblance or order or semi- order.
21 Nov 2005 @ 19:42 by vaxen : the order...
is right there in your heart.
go there and roam about.
"Today all nation-states on Earth are in turmoil. They have devolved themselves into loose spasms (diarrhea): United Nations Dis-Organization."--Shree Blunderbus
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