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New Civilization News: Some Intriguing Mathematical Properties of the Mayan Calendar |
Category: History, Ancient World 14 comments
4 Aug 2007 @ 23:11 by bushman : Hmm. 6 Aug 2007 @ 07:53 by anandavala : Totally different contexts The Mayans had other calendars for such things as solar cycles which were more like our own calendar. In the context of the analysis above the term 'calendar' is a bit misleading because it isn't really a calendar in the normal sense. It describes a process of accelerating evolution so it is more of a mathematical model of an evolutionary process. It has absolutely nothing to do with solar cycles. But the Mayans did use it to determine the timing of the phases of evolution of their society so in that sense it is like a calendar. We only have an agrarian calendar but they also had an evolutionary calendar. Besides, Newtonian physics with relativistic corrections is the best model for solar cycles. 6 Aug 2007 @ 07:57 by anandavala : The code got a bit garbled I just noticed that the above code has had all the '+' signs stripped from it as it was processed by the newciv website. But the gist of it should be clear - it was just supplied for completeness. 7 Aug 2007 @ 03:46 by bushman : Hmm I was more thinking progressive solar cycles over eons, not year to year, like lets say you have an Earth shatering solar cycle as meanning the same as a point of transendance/evolution? Or wouldn't the numbers from 30 to 1, each indicate the exact point of a overall planet change/mass exstiction? A point in time, where mankind learns a hard lesson, and never makes the same mistake again. Like period 9 to 13, start 0., does that reoccure in the pattern again, someplace before cycle 4628? 11 Aug 2007 @ 15:44 by anandavala : Progressive solar cycles? I'm not sure what they are... According to the physics of orbiting objects the planet will lose energy over time and will gradually slow down in its orbit and drift further away from the sun. But that is a very slow and continuous process. Could you explain what you mean by progressive solar cycles? I'm also not sure what you mean by the numbers 30 to 1? Sorry for my ignorance :) Regarding the periods higher than 9 that you mentioned, yes they all start with '0.' because the periods are getting exponentially shorter. But at cycle 14 the notation switches to scientific notation using 1.9E-7 (years) instead of 0.000000019 which means that by the 14th cycle it takes only 0.6 of a second to complete a full cycle of innovation. Then the next cycle takes only 0.03sec and so on. Note: I'm not proposing anything by this analysis - I'm just exploring the mathematical structure of the model - I have no idea how or if it relates to reality. It is a verifiable fact that the rate of innovation is accelerating - but I have no idea how such a process behaves in the long term. I just thought it might be interesting for those people who are interested in the Mayan evolutionary model. 11 Aug 2007 @ 18:03 by a-d : John, this is interesting! I was looking up a book written in Sweden about infections ( such as polio; a viral infection) and their impact on the world map trough our known History and the first URL I clicked brought up this! http://user.tninet.se/~oof408u/fkf/english/sign6.htm John, you "gotta" check it out. ( now I will continue my hunt!... ) BTW. the Tuns and Days/Nights etc in the Mayan Calendar Structure are -as far as I able to judge- very intriguing -and accurate!..... though I prefer it all to be "discussed" inwords , not in numbers! : ) hehehe... whadddusay? do you have any info, or own input , or both about "It All" ???? I would love to get a discussion going about the Times ahead.... 11 Aug 2007 @ 18:51 by anandavala : A great article ! The more one looks outside the mainstream propaganda machine the more obvious it becomes that things aren't nearly as bad as they may seem. Another thing that is rarely if ever reported is that we are in the largest and longest mystic revival of all time - it is hard to find statistics for such a thing but the evidence is becoming quite clear to me. There is still rampant materialism and corrupt religion but more and more people are waking up, they're getting back to basics and discovering the simple realities of life. Call it environmentalism, holistic healing, health consciousness, collective compassion, personal liberation and so on - more and more people are breaking out of the trance of isolated egoism. But the more people that slip out of the trance the harder the trance inducing propaganda will try to keep people enthralled. It is quite likely that the better things get in a holistic sense the worse they will seem through the lens of the propaganda machine. IMO I think it is related to a struggle between the ego and the higher self - the closer the higher self gets to liberation the more desperate and panicky the ego becomes. This applies to both individual and collective contexts. The ego thrives on ignorance and fear - hence it fears awareness and peace. 11 Aug 2007 @ 22:26 by bushman : Progressive solar cycles, well my interpitation anyway, is that we know there is solar max every 11 years, but there is also a 33 year cycle where the solar max is higher than the average 11 year max. Then Im not sure, but then it folds on itself, like 4x33 years, there might be and even higher peak, and so on, till maybe the sun hits a supermax output every so many hundreds of thousands of years. Ive often seen a sort of like vision, of the sun every so many millions of years, becoming superactive and blowing off a Planet sized chunk, that eventualy settles into an orbit around its Mom. I know its not the same as lets say a hot coal from a fire popping off, and then the small chunk is still hot that it pops into 2 or 3 pieces before it hits the ground, basicly Moons. Above in your post, you got rows of numbers, that are numbered from 1 to 30, labled cycle. 18 Aug 2007 @ 16:16 by anandavala : Sounds Interesting.... I'm not sure how it relates to an exponentially accelerating process - it sounds too regular to be able to be modelled by the mathematical model described above. It sounds like it would be best modelled by several cycles with constant frequency that superimpose to create beat frequencies. There is a class of stars called Cepheid Variables that have that property - I had no idea that our star was variable. I guess it is a very slow variable, most Cepheid's have periods in seconds or minutes, not decades. If it had an exponentially accelerating aspect to it we'd all get fried once the sun started popping out fireballs like a popcorn machine. I don't know of any stars that have ever suffered that fate, although stars do some weird things at times, for example, see this recently discovered shooting star that isn't just a grain of dust in the Earth's atmosphere like all other "shooting stars", it is a real star that is streaking through space with a long tail - just like a huge comet. That sort of thing has never been seen before - so who knows, someday we may find a star that is shooting out fireballs with an exponentially increasing rate until it exhausts itself. 18 Aug 2007 @ 16:34 by a-d : Though.... a few things here (on Tellus) are /"grow" exponential/ly: earthquakes, avalanches -and consciousness!... not because the Mayan Calendar says so.... but the opposite!...; )...hehehe... 18 Aug 2007 @ 18:05 by anandavala : Really? I guess avalanches might be but what is exponential about earthquakes? I know population dynamics is and the spread of armaments, violence and authoritarianism seems to be - so too is the spread of love and wisdom but the authoritarianism is mutually exclusive with them. I guess the growth of corporatism is also exponential. The principle of exponential growth can be summed up as, the bigger something gets the faster it gets bigger, and then comes the feedback loop. > not because the Mayan Calendar says so Yes, just as the weather report doesn't tell the weather what to do. Nothing happens because some mathematical model says so, the model is just a theoretical framework devised by humans and used to represent their knowledge of some phenomena. If their knowledge is accurate the model will correspond with the phenomena to some degree, if it's not accurate it won't. I get the feeling I've missed some joke here - what did you mean a-d? 18 Aug 2007 @ 20:06 by a-d : Funny you would have quarms about earthquakes!... : ) I was afraid you would "prove me wrong" on the avalanche suggestion!...hehehe....(THAT was the Joke -feeling you so accurately zoomed in on! Great Job! : ) )) I've seen statements about earthquakes saying they are logaritmic/ > exponential: you have an earthquake that shows 5.3 on the Richter scale.The destruction in city XX is YY big. Five years down the road there's another quake in that city: 6.3 on the Richter and the destruction is YYyyy big. the diff is 1.0 Then ten years down the road there's a 7.3 quake. The diff between these last two is also 1.0. but the destruction is YYYYyy!.... manyfold in power and size! ....much more than that (1) ONE in numbers show.THAT is what is meant here, when people say earthquakes are exponential (in their "growth") (please, don't be too "pecky" about my (chosen amount) of YY's and such.... I'm not a Math-gal at all!... I just chose randomly the number of Y's to somewhat give you and idea what I have in mind -philosophically! : )I leave the Math to you! ; ) Here: these are two good places to start: [ http://www.geo.mtu.edu/UPSeis/intensity.html ] [ http://www.fcgov.com/oem/richter-scale.php ] ... not only this... but I see a BIIIIG connection between earthquakes & consciousness/NEED to wake up to (higher)consciousness!...the Earth literally shaking whole populations awakes & loose from their rigid ways of life etc. Let me know what u think, eh? 3 Sep 2007 @ 16:22 by anandavala : I see what you mean about earthquakes, but I think that is more about the method that we use to measure them and not really about the actual phenomena itself. As for earthquakes and consciousness - I see what you mean - they are an excellent metaphor. The tension builds, friction and inertia tries to maintain the status quo, but then breaking point is reached and things suddenly shift. The process of the shift can be very disruptive but it soon settles back down into a new stable state - for a while. The deeper the fault-line the more that needs to shift - if the very foundation of our minds is flawed then it will inexorably shift toward reality and when it moves it can topple everything that we've built atop of it. That is what I foresee happening when empiricism / egoism / reductionism are finally overcome. Then popular religion will be clearly seen to be a pseudo religion based on taking empiricist metaphors literally, and empiricist science will be clearly seen to be a pseudo science based on taking sensory metaphors literally. When we can clearly see the reality that those metaphors hint at the whole world will change - the world as we have known it will vanish in a flash of insight. 2 Oct 2007 @ 23:00 by Mike Cole @82.18.237.192 : 375 There is something interesting about the mathematical properties of 375. 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